--From Numa
"One solution would to do like Morrowind does (and presumably Oblivion), and use portals. When you entered a house, you'd be transported to a new instance. That way complexity could be reduced, but on the other hand you'd get tons upon tons of loading screens, and walking around in town could easily get very tedious. Not to mention making finding people in towns very hard."
In another MMO I play- this is how it is handled. Actually, my hardware is less strained by this as there is much less to draw. There is 1 load for each instance. It is a 'mission' instance.
For me, leave the game as is. When I enter my own mission instance, let there be an opportunity to explore. If I happen upon a building- in my mission instance- then that shouldn't be too hard to manage.....IMO.
Now- I have no idea how game engines work, so, forgive me if this one is not able to perform as well as others...I am completely unaware It does seem to me that if the engine allows caves, rooms can't be that much harder to render.
Heck- I don't care to make this game instance to instance, but being able to enter and explore a couple of buildings would be nice.
It's the complete absense (sp?) of interiors that is self-defeating. If I could get 3-5 per game I'd be pleased.
Why so few interiors in GW?
A. Noid
Overnite
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Originally Posted by Scavenger Rage
Anyone here ever played pre-searing?! If so, lets try to remember the CATHACOMBS...
The camera is NOT an issue there...we have tons of small narrow corridows and it goes perfectly well... ALSO the agroo circle is not...the disegners where smart enough to create "pop-up" spiders and place the mobs in specific places where the agroo does not affect trought walls (even thought in the time I went trought it the agroo circle on the compass did not exist, it was already there on the game code). Z-Axis where not a problem also...and as someone already said, loading screens betwen levels of the caslte / cave would be a breeze.... And for the monsters AI... it is not all that hard to implement a code that make then run and lock themself in rooms to avoid enemy contact... OR simply run away trying to lure the group into traps or such... AoE spells and such...there is always room to run away (foward or backward), and since EVERYSINGLE GAME have eoe spells and dungeons (castles, caves or such...) this is not a problem... I am still lacking some tecnical explanations for why don't have indoors... Latter. |
lyra_song
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Originally Posted by Scavenger Rage
Anyone here ever played pre-searing?! If so, lets try to remember the CATHACOMBS...
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its a series of really narrow passages and then a bunch of large rooms.
Its about as indoors as Riverside Province....
crimsonfilms
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Z-Axis where not a problem also...and as someone already said, loading screens betwen levels of the caslte / cave would be a breeze.... |
There are various limitations and issues with GW limited Z-axis support.
Ever tried looking up? Ever tried hitting somebody above you on a bridge with a sword?
that is one [email protected] up Z- axis logic.
myword
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Originally Posted by lyra_song
Camera works fine next to walls, imo, since Guild Wars for the most part uses one way normals on walls. Some fine tuning on the player's part to get the best angle would be required.
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catacombs was fine though i think... can't remember
WasAGuest
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Originally Posted by lyra_song
The catacombs isnt really indoors.... its just like Sorrow's Furnace.
its a series of really narrow passages and then a bunch of large rooms. Its about as indoors as Riverside Province.... |
In Prophesies, around post-searing Ascalon there are several small caves. In Factions, yeti's and dredges hung out in caves. The roof just seemed to melt away as you entered them and the transition was so smooth, you really never noticed it.
Having more caves, dungeons and internal castle type areas would not be hard to do, it's all about decoration and illusion.
lyra_song
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Originally Posted by WasAGuest
But it (catacombs), and Sorrows Furnace gave the illusion of indoors; and the illusion of being indoors is all we truely need. There are also many caves scattered amoung the landscape in Prophesies and Factions.
In Prophesies, around post-searing Ascalon there are several small caves. In Factions, yeti's and dredges hung out in caves. The roof just seemed to melt away as you entered them and the transition was so smooth, you really never noticed it. Having more caves, dungeons and internal castle type areas would not be hard to do, it's all about decoration and illusion. |
Thats why i excluded those from my previous post about addressing the problems with interior or indoor areas.
Those kinds of things arent a problem at all.
Multifloored castles with many rooms and dividing walls are what i am envisioning as being a problem for aggro and spirit abuse/ aoe choke points.
akh
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Originally Posted by lyra_song
i agree. its a good illusion, but engine wise, its still technically outdoors (cave areas in Shing Jea were particularly cool).
Thats why i excluded those from my previous post about addressing the problems with interior or indoor areas. Those kinds of things arent a problem at all. Multifloored castles with many rooms and dividing walls are what i am envisioning as being a problem for aggro and spirit abuse/ aoe choke points. |
Psyks
Ok take a look at how many people are swamped around the merchant, armour , skills person etc
That is why there are not interior areas. it would play havoc and not to meniton having to shoot up the minimum spec requiements. Why do you think WoW is so ugly?
That is why there are not interior areas. it would play havoc and not to meniton having to shoot up the minimum spec requiements. Why do you think WoW is so ugly?