What is it with Barrage Rangers?
Thomas.knbk
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Originally Posted by ss1986v2
if i had to choose between a pug spammin barrage or letting him use whatever crazy ass build he put together (a ranger with golem and minions, oh yes, ive seen it!), give me 1...1...1...1... any day. still, this says more to pugs then to barrage. any decent ranger can figure out a decent build without barrage, but it is still a nice fall-back skill when ya need it.
I actually made a ranger with minions once......
Then I found out Expertise didn't work on spells. GG
Then I found out Expertise didn't work on spells. GG
draxynnic
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Originally Posted by priapism18
It's not always about pure DMG output. Why not try an interupt build? Denying a monk healing a mob can alot of times result in the group going down much faster . Mob dying faster = Less Dmg done to your party.....Punishing Shot or BHA anyone?
And it's not just knocking out the Monk. Disabling an Elementalist - especially a Canthan elementalist boss - can cut down on the damage to the party, possibly stopping one or more people from being spiked. Disabling a Necromancer could stop those pesky mobs from denying corpses to your cookie-cutter MM. And so on.
Poison Ivy
In my opinion, simply because it's a no brainer, slap it on and go skill. (That's actually very effective)
zhak
beware when u got empathi on urselfs..when i see a ranger using barrage..bam.empathy on them..each barrage shot can go to more than 100 dmg to the ranger
Riesz
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Originally Posted by zhak
beware when u got empathi on urselfs..when i see a ranger using barrage..bam.empathy on them..each barrage shot can go to more than 100 dmg to the ranger
Yeah that's always hilarious to see 
I use barrage because like others have said, mobs are typically clumped in PvE and barrage can dish out a lot of AoE damage to them, especially when using conjure or judges with a vamp bow. Having your main attack take up only 1 slot also leaves a lot of room for other fun things. I almost always take 2 interrupts when I play barrage, and possibly a preparation and other bow attack for single monsters.
Barrage is useful and very effective in 90% of PvE situations and is incredibly easy to use. What's bad about it, again?
I use barrage because like others have said, mobs are typically clumped in PvE and barrage can dish out a lot of AoE damage to them, especially when using conjure or judges with a vamp bow. Having your main attack take up only 1 slot also leaves a lot of room for other fun things. I almost always take 2 interrupts when I play barrage, and possibly a preparation and other bow attack for single monsters.
Barrage is useful and very effective in 90% of PvE situations and is incredibly easy to use. What's bad about it, again?
Rancour
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Originally Posted by Linkusmax
Splinter Weapon FTW!
Splinter Weapon only triggers on the first arrow that hits, not all of them. It's nothing special, just compliment damage.
Sir Mad
^ Yup that would be overpowered if it worked with the 6 arrows. If you really wanna use a weapon spell with barrage, Brutal Weapon seems to be the best choice.
TadaceAce
Barrage is far and away the best ranger build for pve, the thing is, a braindead moron in a 90% coma can run it (your average pug). Thus people like to get it in their group because its gonna be a build better than a wammo that people can't screw up.
Blkout
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Originally Posted by Evilsod
Why cripshot :S That skill absolutely sucks for PvE.
Barrage just has a high profile... even if idiots do use it on missions where it has absolutely no use at all (ie, no grouped up enemies).
Why use a pet if your not a in a B/P team... thats what gets me. Your knowledge of Barrage is very limited it appears. Even if enemies aren't bunched up, with 13 points in Expertise, Barrage is a completely spammable skill that adds up to 16 points of additional damage per shot. It's tough to find a skill that adds that kind of damage that's basically free.
Barrage just has a high profile... even if idiots do use it on missions where it has absolutely no use at all (ie, no grouped up enemies).
Why use a pet if your not a in a B/P team... thats what gets me. Your knowledge of Barrage is very limited it appears. Even if enemies aren't bunched up, with 13 points in Expertise, Barrage is a completely spammable skill that adds up to 16 points of additional damage per shot. It's tough to find a skill that adds that kind of damage that's basically free.
Blkout
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Originally Posted by TadaceAce
Barrage is far and away the best ranger build for pve, the thing is, a braindead moron in a 90% coma can run it (your average pug). Thus people like to get it in their group because its gonna be a build better than a wammo that people can't screw up.
PUG's don't choose Barrage Rangers because it's an easy build to run, they choose Barrage Rangers because the effects of Barrage are a very worthy addition to any party. You are downplaying the skill Barrage by saying that even an idiot can run it so that's why they do. Barrage is a great skill, people use it because of that reason alone.
Sir Mad
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Mesmer in Need
im not sure of the build. do you actually barrage your pet? like make ur pet attack 5 times?
SnipiousMax
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Originally Posted by Blkout
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Originally Posted by Mesmer In Need
im not sure of the build. do you actually barrage your pet? like make ur pet attack 5 times?
No, you barrage with a bow, while your pet soaks up damage as a tank in a very specific situation. Barrage is good in any number of places. B/P's are used mostly for farming.
Maria The Princess
most of the other ranger elites are best in PVP, but if you wanna use them in PVE they would requiree a very specific situation
Da Scotty
I see both the usefullness and uselessness of Barrage... It is farming build designed for a Barrage Team, (5xBarrage, 1x MM, 1xOrder) used in another context or go "lone ranger" (excuse the pun)
with it and it just isnt effective. Personally, I LOVE my Barrage Ranger but a skill change is always need if I take him anywhere else! I use cripshot / runner / trapper and Beastmaster....  I find it a very versitile primary.oh yeah I realise 5+1+1=7  and as for empathy and such spells, if not interrupted, just stop shooting (there are at least 4 others shooting 6 arrows each) 
Beomagi
Best for pve is subject to debate.
In general? maybe. My playstyle adapted to quickshot instead. I prefer a fast singlular continuous stream of rapid damage + interrupts to a singular target - Much better if you pick and chose targets - like the annoying healers or mages. My PUG or even henches will survive the other enemies, but Most damage comes from just one or 2 annoyances usually (as a referance to diablo 2 again - strafe vs multi? ).I havent seen many barrage ranger's that would play dangerously - i.e. Wammo's that play leeroy, and nukers that run to the front line to initiate instead of tanks - cause "mmyy meteor shower is sosooo leeet!! I can hit them fiiirrst!! deedadee!"
bungusmaximus
Try doing Urgoz' warren or tomb of primeval kings without barrage, itll be hard, i promise you...
Sol_Vie
Barrage is a nice skill, but the ranger has a bunch of nice skills. Generally I find that using Barrage is better in enclosed areas or where enemies have to group up- even groups of 2 work. Anywhere else and I use a AP/Hunter's Shot/Interrupt build.
I'd hardly say that Barrage rangers are a cookie cutter build- I still generally have to use henchies or my guild to get stuff done on my ranger. And someone mentioned Marksman's Wager a while back. Marksman's Wager + Needling Shot = Energy in excess. But that's way off topic.
jesh
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Originally Posted by Nivryx
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Originally Posted by Beomagi
My playstyle adapted to quickshot instead. I prefer a fast singlular continuous stream of rapid damage + interrupts to a singular target - Much better if you pick and chose targets - like the annoying healers or mages. My PUG or even henches will survive the other enemies, but Most damage comes from just one or 2 annoyances usually (as a referance to diablo 2 again - strafe vs multi?
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Shh don't give it away. Now all the braindead barragers will be curious.
Foreseen Era
I love me Incediary Arrows. QZ + Serpent's Quickness with it pwwwwns...
icecoldholyroller
Barrage is a commonly used because of its ability to hit 6 enemys at once, plus does extra damage, plus has a low energy cost. When I do use it, the average energy cost is 3. Personally I don't use barrage anymore, I prefer this combo Poison Arrow[E], Kindle Arrows, Dual Shot, Savage Shot. It spkes pretty well in PvE.
Well99
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Originally Posted by jesh
That's the best way to play Barrage.
Shh don't give it away. Now all the braindead barragers will be curious. Kids say the darnest things.Let me put this in terms you might understand. People buy games.People who buy games find chr that like to play.People who buy game play chrs they like and use skills they like.You might try Google.It is a search engine.Look up the word preference.I can get you a link if it is too difficult.
jesh
If your preference is to push that 1 button over and over again, then be my guest. I never said you couldn't. I looked up "chr" on google and got Colorado Horse Rescue. I also got Chinook Health Region and Center For Human Reproduction.
Well99
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Originally Posted by jesh
If your preference is to push that 1 button over and over again, then be my guest. I never said you couldn't. I looked up "chr" on google and got Colorado Horse Rescue. I also got Chinook Health Region and Center For Human Reproduction.
Ooh thank you thank you.Yup save Mustangs.Thats it.Boycott horse meat.Oh well.Nightfall is coming.Time for more fun.
Darkpower Alchemist
Barrage rangers have a greater use in the factions parts of the game, due in the most part to the large mobs involved.
Once you get into AB/PvP/GvG situations, that changes drastically. Trappers have a place, and trapping is useful everywhere a Ranger goes. I'm not saying you should be exclusively trapping in every misssion, but I am saying take dust trap with you if you're a solid ranger.My opinion on that skill. Back to Barrage, it is cool in mob situations, but when you are in places where enemies spread out, then I think the Barrage ranger is not needed, but a Punishing/Interupter, or a more specialized ranger imho will excell.
Darkpower Alchemist
Incediary arrows+Savage Shot(when it wares off)+distracting shot, this while FW is up, followed by Needling shots to the dome.
Now that's action! Well99
I like needling also along with poison arrow.It really depends on mission/quest.I always have a interrupt.Distract is what I use also.I always bring that.So many bosses are casters so there always a need.As far as traps with the exception of FOW I dont use.But maybe I should look at trying it more often.There are alot of area's where it will help against warriors swarming party casters.
Skuld
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Originally Posted by Darkpower Alchemist
Incediary arrows+Savage Shot(when it wares off)+distracting shot, this while FW is up, followed by Needling shots to the dome.
Now that's action! Yeh, remind me not to invite you to my PUG..
GODh
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Originally Posted by wilebill
I went without pet, took a spike trap, couple interrupts, Kindle Arrows. On that trip, Barrage really worked well, because the mobs liked to group together on the hench fighters.
Sometime is wrong here: both Spike trap and Barrage are elites...
squan
well when i am online again i gonna try
Conjure Frost For 60 seconds, if you're wielding a cold weapon, your attacks strike for an additional 1...21 cold damage. it can be used on Barrage Ranger/Elementalist because it stacks with Barrage and preparations do not. i did not try it yet because i need a bow with a icy mod on it. maybe nice if you have 5 conjure frost rangers, 1 mm, 1 monk, 1 order necro for a FOW party. btw winter could help 2, then you wont need a icy mod for your bow. or Conflagration, since all arrows that hit strike for fire damage + conjure flame
jjdefan
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Originally Posted by Age
Sophitia Leafblade
It may cancel out preps but it doesnt cancel out enchants such as the congures and Judge's insight (which i find work nicely for extra damage
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Rin
ummm question,
any of you guys try a burning barrage ranger build with a R/E?? glyph of lesser energy + mark of rogdort and a fiery bow string? Simply sick.
c_ras
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Originally Posted by GODh
Sometime is wrong here: both Spike trap and Barrage are elites...
Possibly he meant Barbed Trap or possibly he capped Barrage and then had two elites on his skillbar. As far as Barrage goes, I think its one of the more useful ranger elites. At 16 marksmanship, you'll do +17 dmg. That is almost as good as any of the other added damage skills for the ranger but with lower energy and recharge time (especially with high Expertise). Though, it is optimized when you are mobbed, I'll still find myself occasionly using it on a single enemy. There is no greater feeling than using a vampiric bow and using barrage on a mob. Seeing a HUGE chain of damage from one side of the screen to the other and seeing +5 for Health chain across the screen as well...is a great feeling!!! Though Barrage is a pretty useful PvE skill, I believe you should never have it if you are doing any type of PvP....and I do mean NEVER. It's a horrible PvP skill. With this being said, there are quite a few good builds out there that incorporate Barrage as its focus. Because the ranger is a support character, the ranger isn't the super damage machine (although you can get some really good damage output with certain skill chains or with injunction with class crossing secondary skills), so for the most part don't expect to kill a person with 1 hit or whatever. Take it for what it is and the role of the ranger, and you'll see that Barrage is pretty helpful in a lot of situations and not in others-- just adjust accordingly.
Reikai
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Originally Posted by Rin
ummm question,
any of you guys try a burning barrage ranger build with a R/E?? glyph of lesser energy + mark of rogdort and a fiery bow string? Simply sick. yes, until the mobs start to run away. Personally I run in PvE... Cripshot (yes cripshot) Its great for spreading poison, as well as a host of other conditions. I sometimes switch out cripshot for other elites however, (for example Poison Arrow + Barbed Arrows) I also run a slightly modified R Spiker. Barrage is definitely not an option however. Fabius Cunctator
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i did not try it yet because i need a bow with a icy mod on it. maybe nice if you have 5 conjure frost rangers, 1 mm, 1 monk, 1 order necro for a FOW party.
If only orders and elemental damage got along well |
Blkout
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Originally Posted by SnipiousMax
QFT.
What a fantastic arguement in your defense. It's obvious you're clueless by your lack of debatable testimony.
Blkout
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Originally Posted by jesh
If your preference is to push that 1 button over and over again, then be my guest. I never said you couldn't. I looked up "chr" on google and got Colorado Horse Rescue. I also got Chinook Health Region and Center For Human Reproduction.
I use Barrage, but guess what, I also carry two interrupts as well, I do far more than press one button, Barrage just happens to be my main damage skill. What's so hard to understand about that? Blkout
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Originally Posted by Reikai
yes, until the mobs start to run away.
Personally I run in PvE... Cripshot (yes cripshot) Its great for spreading poison, as well as a host of other conditions. I sometimes switch out cripshot for other elites however, (for example Poison Arrow + Barbed Arrows) I also run a slightly modified R Spiker. Barrage is definitely not an option however. Too bad. One of the best Ranger Elite's in the game for PVE and it's not an option for you. Oh well. roselan
I tested a R/El with barrage, mark of rodgor, fire attenument or something like that (+12 dmg at 8 fire magic). As Mark of Rodgor is now aoe, this is really insane in some pve situation, never saw such mass destruction. beautifull! ^_^
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