Seriously, its ultra sad, I see lots of people idling at Temple of Balthazar and when I tell them to go play to Fort Aspenwood, most of them say "You cant take your PvP chars"
What the hell? There are 2 diplomats there and yet people dont see to notice them/use them, and the sad thing persists, those 2 missions are still empty.
Should Arenanet make the diplomats more noticable and give greater rewards to people play there? Seriously, it seems to give alot of Balth faction and Kurzick/Luxon faction.
Why arent the players motivated to play there?
So, you can take your PvP chars to Comp Missions. How come they are still empty?
Arkanius
Theus
I hate the fact that no one plays Jade Quarry.
I need to map that area too.
I need to map that area too.
Knightsaber Sith
Just looked and I see what you mean. I've found that a lot of PvP focused players say that Fort Aspenwood and what not are more of a PvE thing and they don't want to do that. Even though it's PvP.
Arkanius
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I think they want to PvP and you can only take your PvE characters there. There was a weekend event where you could take your PvP characters but I don't think they made that permanent.
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But you can! Go to the Great Temple of Balthazar and talk with the Kurzick Recruit or with the Luxon Diplomat.
I think that is the problem, most people dont know, I think we must spread the word.
Wrath Of Dragons
It was DEFINITELY made permanant.
Arkanius is right
Arkanius is right
fallot
The competition sucks. Do it a few times and the novelty wears out. There are faster ways to gain Luxon and Kurzick faction. Perhaps if you could enter with organized teams it would be played more.
Sarevok Thordin
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The competition sucks. Do it a few times and the novelty wears out. There are faster ways to gain Luxon and Kurzick faction. Perhaps if you could enter with organized teams it would be played more.
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Maybe HZH will have a different owner?! O_O
Seriously, I was a temp leader of one of the guilds that had HZH for a LONG TIME (GoD). The FF was I-N-S-A-N-E. One guild had 5m faction on their OWN, which was like a QUARTER or MORE of the overall faction. This is why Aspenwood/Quarry had no action, well one of the reasons. The other reason was is the fact it's too easy to AFK farm there.
All anet needs to do is add a money reward like Amatz and such, and find a way to deal with the afkers. Viola, we have a winrar.
oh yeah, I prefer the idea of random teams, it allows newbies to get into the whole luxon/kurzick thing easier, as well as pvp.
B Ephekt
The level of competition in those areas is absolutely non-existent. It's like RA with a more focuses goal, but the random nature still keeps it from feeling like more than pushing buttons. Not to mention that those areas, much like RA, are still infested with idiot stance tanks, scrub touchers and weird hybrid heal/smite monks that don't really do much either way.
Those missions simply aren't fun for anyone who plays any aspect of pvp aside from RA; they just feel like they were intended for pve players for some reason.
Those missions simply aren't fun for anyone who plays any aspect of pvp aside from RA; they just feel like they were intended for pve players for some reason.
Navaros
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Make the rewards in those places equivalent to the rewards in AB, and you'd see them both fill up mighty fast.
McUH
Hmm, I play mostly with PvP chars and did not know it was made accesible permanently.
I dont know much about those modes, but main question is - can you make your whole team there, or is it random like RA/AB ?
From what I hear here it seems to be random, then yes, dont expect PvP population there. But if you can make teams, I would prob. make a look there.
I will check it out though. I missed that event and never made PvE char that far (Cantha seems so boring comparing to Prophecies), that is why I know almost nothing about it :-)
I dont know much about those modes, but main question is - can you make your whole team there, or is it random like RA/AB ?
From what I hear here it seems to be random, then yes, dont expect PvP population there. But if you can make teams, I would prob. make a look there.
I will check it out though. I missed that event and never made PvE char that far (Cantha seems so boring comparing to Prophecies), that is why I know almost nothing about it :-)
linh
Yup, the problem here is that not all people know they can do Fort or Jade with PvP chars.
I play Fort quite often with my pve chars, and I always wish I can bring my pvp char there to play different builds and professions.
Just know about it after reading this thread. I'm going to create PvP char for it now
I play Fort quite often with my pve chars, and I always wish I can bring my pvp char there to play different builds and professions.
Just know about it after reading this thread. I'm going to create PvP char for it now
Agyar
Honestly the crowd of horny teenagers hanging out at Balth's Isle have never impressed me with their intelligence, so it doesn't surprise me they didn't notice two NPCs. They're all too busy dancing naked and talking about how great their gfs are, while hitting on the one naked "female" dancing amongst them.
Shadowfox1125
Fort Aspenwood is relatively crowded; on the other hand, Jade Quarry is completely empty. I use to play FA a lot, but I got sick of it..
I guess everybody started playing ABs for faction.. you get more for a victory, it's more competitive, and more focused towards PvP than FA or JQ.
I guess everybody started playing ABs for faction.. you get more for a victory, it's more competitive, and more focused towards PvP than FA or JQ.
lambda the great
Since Jade Quarry has had a Successful FAILIER, I saw turn it into a PvE place(Like tombs) Or something, I pvpd there twice, only twice. I guess no one likes chasing Giants turtles and 55 necros around.
Vahn Roi
If I played serious PvP I wouldn't want to do Aspenwood either. Parties in Aspendwood and JQ are randomly compiled, this is probably one of things that the people in GToB don't find appealing as it doesn't allow for organized builds and such.
azunder
An arena will be empty because it is empty. Circular reasoning works in this case.
Former Ruling
Jade Quarry was empty before that weekend, pretty much empty during that weekend, and empty after that weekend. It might as well not even exist in the game >_> 90% of the games have atleast 2 Leechers per team, the time to faction reward is horrible, and its just NOT FUN for most people. Doesn't matter if PvPs know they can go there or not.
Zui
Poor rewards, both from an actual reward standpoint(PvE reward, and a lame one at that), and from a proportion standpoint(Compared to ABs for the PvE reward).
Ok, so there's Balthazar faction you get too. Too bad it's so minimal that anyone who wants this reward wouldn't be playing there. Then there's the fact that most PvPers have grinded out PvEs so they can compete, and that they've probably already unlocked everything worth ever unlocking, making getting that faction mostly pointless, and therefore a non-issue. So, basicly this so-called reward either discourages play, or isn't a factor in encouraging or discouraging play.
That, and random teams. Random teams just suck.
PvP charactars might get *some* PvPers to play there, but only *very* casual ones. That doesn't really help much with players, because it's not like they could just do Random Arenas and get more faction for unlocks, or that the guy who plays for maybe an hour once a week is going to make them fill up. They also get people who already played there once in a blue moon to play somthing that they don't have a PvE charactar for there. That doesn't help getting more people to play.
Will ANET ever fix the rewards? Dbout it. How many months did it take them just to realise that the areas weren't accessable by PvP charactars?
Ok, so there's Balthazar faction you get too. Too bad it's so minimal that anyone who wants this reward wouldn't be playing there. Then there's the fact that most PvPers have grinded out PvEs so they can compete, and that they've probably already unlocked everything worth ever unlocking, making getting that faction mostly pointless, and therefore a non-issue. So, basicly this so-called reward either discourages play, or isn't a factor in encouraging or discouraging play.
That, and random teams. Random teams just suck.
PvP charactars might get *some* PvPers to play there, but only *very* casual ones. That doesn't really help much with players, because it's not like they could just do Random Arenas and get more faction for unlocks, or that the guy who plays for maybe an hour once a week is going to make them fill up. They also get people who already played there once in a blue moon to play somthing that they don't have a PvE charactar for there. That doesn't help getting more people to play.
Will ANET ever fix the rewards? Dbout it. How many months did it take them just to realise that the areas weren't accessable by PvP charactars?
Avarre
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Jade Quarry was empty before that weekend, pretty much empty during that weekend, and empty after that weekend. It might as well not even exist in the game >_> 90% of the games have atleast 2 Leechers per team, the time to faction reward is horrible, and its just NOT FUN for most people. Doesn't matter if PvPs know they can go there or not.
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Greedy Gus
I never attempted to play either of these from the negative feedback I heard. I thought they were PvE competitions like amatz basin, and heard they were riddled with afk'ers.
Yesterday I was killing time working on the cantha exploration title, and did fort aspenwood to clear some fog, and actually thought it looked pretty fun. I've been playing it a bunch the last few days and actually enjoy the way the game is setup and plays out. Not like I care about the rewards, I'm UAX with 15k kurzick & luxon armor already.
However, as others have mentioned, the random teammates and lack of decent competition just kill it. If there was a TA equivalent to it's RA, I'd get some guildies together and compete there.
Yesterday I was killing time working on the cantha exploration title, and did fort aspenwood to clear some fog, and actually thought it looked pretty fun. I've been playing it a bunch the last few days and actually enjoy the way the game is setup and plays out. Not like I care about the rewards, I'm UAX with 15k kurzick & luxon armor already.
However, as others have mentioned, the random teammates and lack of decent competition just kill it. If there was a TA equivalent to it's RA, I'd get some guildies together and compete there.
Zui
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However, as others have mentioned, the random teammates and lack of decent competition just kill it. If there was a TA equivalent to it's RA, I'd get some guildies together and compete there.
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Xeeron
The biggest problem with Quarry is: It is reached after Aspenwood in PvE. That lead to a vicious circle of more people being in Aspenwood, therefore less people going to Quarry, etc, till noone was at Quarry. Btw, that happened very early on, the last time I remember Quarry being full was in beta (and it used to be more fun than Aspenwood ...).
Why are those NPCs not in the guildhalls, maybe people would notice them.
- Xeeron
Why are those NPCs not in the guildhalls, maybe people would notice them.
- Xeeron
Effendi Westland
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Why are those NPCs not in the guildhalls, maybe people would notice them.
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Maria The Princess
1- too many leechers
2- too many bots
3- not enouth real people
4- not enouth reward comparing to AB and relating to time spend waiting for a game to start
5- most people who make PVP only characters are either testing a build (RA, AB) or gettin ready for HA or GvG
2- too many bots
3- not enouth real people
4- not enouth reward comparing to AB and relating to time spend waiting for a game to start
5- most people who make PVP only characters are either testing a build (RA, AB) or gettin ready for HA or GvG
Blackhawk
What Maria said, and heres a screenie showing why people dont bother with it, as this is a common sight, and you'll normally find it's Kurzicks on Luxon teams and Vice Versa in a bid to make the outcome of the game in their favour by making whatever team short of players.
The truth itself
This is the number one thing that i dislike about GW.
Why haven't they dealt with leechers? It's easy, and there are a lot of different solutions.
Also, it would be best, if there was a link to FA / JQ on the PvP isle, it's just dumb to have to enter the capital there, and then talk to an NPC, instead of just having a quick icon for it.
Why haven't they dealt with leechers? It's easy, and there are a lot of different solutions.
Also, it would be best, if there was a link to FA / JQ on the PvP isle, it's just dumb to have to enter the capital there, and then talk to an NPC, instead of just having a quick icon for it.
KitsunE81
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Just looked and I see what you mean. I've found that a lot of PvP focused players say that Fort Aspenwood and what not are more of a PvE thing and they don't want to do that. Even though it's PvP.
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Quozz
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However, as others have mentioned, the random teammates and lack of decent competition just kill it. If there was a TA equivalent to it's RA, I'd get some guildies together and compete there.
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pigdestroyer
I tried.. but those missions are soooooooooooooooooooooo boring...
fallot
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Also, it would be best, if there was a link to FA / JQ on the PvP isle, it's just dumb to have to enter the capital there, and then talk to an NPC, instead of just having a quick icon for it.
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wilebill
It wouldn't take much effort for ANet to put up a sign of some sort. New pvp players do not magically know about Fort Aspenwood, or the Jade Quarry.
Blackest Rose
OK Here I am with 3 characters which have finished factions....
And not ONCE have I played Jade Quarry from either Luxon or Kurzick sides.
I have no idea what it's like!
Every single time I've been there I've waited to 10 mins listening to "no opposing party joined, restarting counter"
What a waste Anet.
For FA I do sometimes do it but only as part of PVE quest, once I have my 10000 faction I stop...
If it was organized party instead of random I don't think I'd do it at all.
This area is not for serious PVP - This is for PVE players to dabble in PVP and force them to try it - some percentage may even like it.
It's a good ploy but Jade Quarry is just a waste of space - along with half of the outposts further down the map, they're basically empty and serve only as a checkpoint - you'll never get a group together for questing - there's no critical mass.
And not ONCE have I played Jade Quarry from either Luxon or Kurzick sides.
I have no idea what it's like!
Every single time I've been there I've waited to 10 mins listening to "no opposing party joined, restarting counter"
What a waste Anet.
For FA I do sometimes do it but only as part of PVE quest, once I have my 10000 faction I stop...
If it was organized party instead of random I don't think I'd do it at all.
This area is not for serious PVP - This is for PVE players to dabble in PVP and force them to try it - some percentage may even like it.
It's a good ploy but Jade Quarry is just a waste of space - along with half of the outposts further down the map, they're basically empty and serve only as a checkpoint - you'll never get a group together for questing - there's no critical mass.
Horseman Of War
getting 10k faction is easy in AB.
people who leech, by my reasoning, must be from the opposite faction working on getting the 10k without doing any quests for it (its much quicker just to quest it)
Ive been to jade quarry once. FA is fun sometimes, but I often forget its even there.
Hell, if ANet put up a neon sign in the beginning of AB that said "HEY NOOB YOU CAN SEE ALL THE SHRINES ON YOUR "U MAP" JUST BY ZOOMING IT OUT AND STICKING IT IN A CORNER" then Id be happy.
But then again- lots of people dont even know the U map exists and are perplexed on what i mean by 'zoom it out'.
Its a vicious cycle though- back to FA/JQ- Leechers make it not fun. I stop playing. Empty mission. No one plays.
Leechers amaze me. How little can you possibly do to enjoy this game any less?
Maybe if they made a change to the 10k Quests it would help. Forced faction farming is what started leeching. Make them do the quests and get 10 luxon totems or 10 kurzick (whatever they use) things.
Another thing id like to see is the Challenge Missions (aka zos chivos) have pvp access. I have only ever gotten to play those a few times each, and for the past 2 months its been impossible to find a group no matter what class Im playing... ass monk tank rit nuker whatever and ppl just dont play. Good thing I saved the screenshot of my assassin's team covering the Daily Top 10 back when I first started playing Factions cuz Ill probably never get to play them again no matter how bad i want to.
Zos Chrivos Channel is one of the coolest things Factions has- and what do people do in that town? SSa Farm... Like anyone needs one of those. Pathetic.
people who leech, by my reasoning, must be from the opposite faction working on getting the 10k without doing any quests for it (its much quicker just to quest it)
Ive been to jade quarry once. FA is fun sometimes, but I often forget its even there.
Hell, if ANet put up a neon sign in the beginning of AB that said "HEY NOOB YOU CAN SEE ALL THE SHRINES ON YOUR "U MAP" JUST BY ZOOMING IT OUT AND STICKING IT IN A CORNER" then Id be happy.
But then again- lots of people dont even know the U map exists and are perplexed on what i mean by 'zoom it out'.
Its a vicious cycle though- back to FA/JQ- Leechers make it not fun. I stop playing. Empty mission. No one plays.
Leechers amaze me. How little can you possibly do to enjoy this game any less?
Maybe if they made a change to the 10k Quests it would help. Forced faction farming is what started leeching. Make them do the quests and get 10 luxon totems or 10 kurzick (whatever they use) things.
Another thing id like to see is the Challenge Missions (aka zos chivos) have pvp access. I have only ever gotten to play those a few times each, and for the past 2 months its been impossible to find a group no matter what class Im playing... ass monk tank rit nuker whatever and ppl just dont play. Good thing I saved the screenshot of my assassin's team covering the Daily Top 10 back when I first started playing Factions cuz Ill probably never get to play them again no matter how bad i want to.
Zos Chrivos Channel is one of the coolest things Factions has- and what do people do in that town? SSa Farm... Like anyone needs one of those. Pathetic.
scrinner
we really need organized teams for these two missions. That will bring out the competition by alot.
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I hate the fact that no one plays Jade Quarry.
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IllusiveMind
FA sucks, bugs everywhere. Stuck turtles, inmobile Luxon armies, sore winner bonders, quitters, leechers, bugged commanders, non stationary gate keepers, sore winner touch rangers, stanceRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO wammos, assasins that get killed in 2 spikes (lack of max armor level)...Am I missing something?
But it's so fun to play it
But it's so fun to play it
LONGA
I love the fort Aspenwood that nobody yelling at you what to do.And they are good for gaining both Balthazzar and Faction point due to tremendous death rate (NPC do give you rewards for the kill).
A real good crownd repeling method.I agree that leecher is a ploblem.Who want to enjoy random PvP misson when your team or your enemy become a dummy targets.
Maybe Anet should invent a penetly system for leecher and bot on these area already.Maybe impovre it,since it already cut your reward in half when other side quitting(due to leeecher)
Also.Fort aspenwood need some balance tweak.You can still see some invincible monk dancing around the turtles. Enjoy watcing resistance being squash by their pet.
Maybe attacker might need to run amber too if they want a new turtle spawn.
A real good crownd repeling method.I agree that leecher is a ploblem.Who want to enjoy random PvP misson when your team or your enemy become a dummy targets.
Maybe Anet should invent a penetly system for leecher and bot on these area already.Maybe impovre it,since it already cut your reward in half when other side quitting(due to leeecher)
Also.Fort aspenwood need some balance tweak.You can still see some invincible monk dancing around the turtles. Enjoy watcing resistance being squash by their pet.
Maybe attacker might need to run amber too if they want a new turtle spawn.
Mr Jazzy
Base defence is actually pretty fun. It's like helm's deep...and everyone loved helms deep
The truth itself
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Dude, there is...
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I meant that instead of having to talk to an NPC, just have a link icon, on the isle of PvP.
myword
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Honestly the crowd of horny teenagers hanging out at Balth's Isle have never impressed me with their intelligence, so it doesn't surprise me they didn't notice two NPCs. They're all too busy dancing naked and talking about how great their gfs are, while hitting on the one naked "female" dancing amongst them.
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majority of the people there are 1. figuring out what the isle is for 2. wondering what the zaishen thing is 3. attempting to chat up a 40year old man who's dancing on his female ele