My thread got shutdown in the Sanctum, so hopefully it will survive here.
I Want to get some discussion started about the completely lame scam of buying Commendations, Requisitions, and Totems for 150g. There seems to be people that think they can make money this way and they are everywhere.
Anytime you go to Marketplace or KC you see people spamming it all over the chat window.
I routinely am the jerk that promotes everyone quit listening to whoever is spamming because the only people that would fall for it are the ones who need the money the most. Honestly how much money can these scammers be making at 50g a pop when most everyone (hopefully) knows that they can get 200 from the traders.
I wish there was a way that Guild Wars could Mute this persons chat window if it contained 150 and any keyword of commendation, requisition or totem in it. Yeah this seems stupid but it is really getting old in my eyes.
If anyone else agrees or disagrees with me, feel free to discuss.
Hopefully someone else out there tries to block these people from preying on lesser experiened players for such a small amount of money.
Note to scammers* IF THIS IS ALL YOU CAN DO WITH YOUR TIME, GO PLAY SOME OTHER GAME AND LET US ENJOY GUILDWARS WITHOUT YOU*
Sick of people Spamming WTB commendations 150g
Puddin Cheeks
Zinger314
This thread will get locked for the same reason: No venting.
It's not scamming, just clever enterprenuership.
It's not scamming, just clever enterprenuership.
Malice Black
This isn't a big deal.
Puddin Cheeks
Why would it get locked, There are plenty of other threads with people complaining a lot worse than me and they also use foul language on there posts. I just wanted to see how many other people do not like to see obvious scamming take place.
Clord
It is clever trading.
KamikazeChicken
It's quite easy getting all of the above for 100g each. Most people who want 150g will quickly settle for 100g, if you tell them you're not interested.
fatmouse
spoiler: scamming is 'clever trading' too
This is a scam.
This is a scam.
Malice Black
The words scam/scamming are over used in this game.
Trvth Jvstice
When I see this, I just spam in all chat a few times: "don't sell your commendation to /insert name/, you can get $200 from the quartermaster." After a few moments, the person usually leaves.
But I don't think he is a scammer, he's just taking advantage of the people selling to him. Sure, I think it's wrong, but not a scam.
But I don't think he is a scammer, he's just taking advantage of the people selling to him. Sure, I think it's wrong, but not a scam.
viper008
It's not a scam at all, they have value because when you trade them in for what ever you want those things have value of 5-750g depending on item/s from the 3 guys in HOZ as example.
Puddin Cheeks
Well, if you can handle that then okay.
Scenario,
I want to buy something that is worth (X) (defined value, not abstract like weapons)
But I only want to pay value (Y) (knowing that X>Y)
That means I am making money, but at the same time SCAMMING other party who does not know Value (X) even though it is in the game.
Maybe to fix this the value on the item is place at 200g by default when they get it So everyone knows value X=200g and doesn't sell to Chicken for value (Y)
*EDIT*In afterthought this is the same principle behind the Trading and Buying of Cars. The salesman is scamming you he knows it you know it and it is okay.
Scenario,
I want to buy something that is worth (X) (defined value, not abstract like weapons)
But I only want to pay value (Y) (knowing that X>Y)
That means I am making money, but at the same time SCAMMING other party who does not know Value (X) even though it is in the game.
Maybe to fix this the value on the item is place at 200g by default when they get it So everyone knows value X=200g and doesn't sell to Chicken for value (Y)
*EDIT*In afterthought this is the same principle behind the Trading and Buying of Cars. The salesman is scamming you he knows it you know it and it is okay.
Malice Black
If the other party does not know the current market value when selling then they are at fault. Basic business principle.
dr1zz one
I was considering buying commendations/credits/requsitons to actually trade for dwarven ale and work on my drunk title.
Lets say i traded a few commendations for some dwarven ale, the merchant will only give you 100g for the ale. If anything we should report the merchants, dye traders, material traders, the whole lot of them for scamming.
Lets say i traded a few commendations for some dwarven ale, the merchant will only give you 100g for the ale. If anything we should report the merchants, dye traders, material traders, the whole lot of them for scamming.
Maxiemonster
What do you expect ANet to do about this? And why is it lame in the first place? If I have 2 Commendations and need 300g real quick, I wouldn't mind selling them to those guys, it's not like they're scamming me. They're trading so they can trade 5 for 200g each, but as long as you don't have 5, 150g is very decent...
And compared to many other trades, this is nothing. People have bought perfect items for 1K, and sold them for millions, but who cares? I'm pretty damn sure you'd buy that item for 1K (I know I would, and I don't scam).
And compared to many other trades, this is nothing. People have bought perfect items for 1K, and sold them for millions, but who cares? I'm pretty damn sure you'd buy that item for 1K (I know I would, and I don't scam).
Age
The reason is so they can buy Ale and get Drunkyard title it happens over at the Shing Jea Monestary as well with those monestary credits.
Mournblade
I wish to god people would use the word scam properly. There is no deceit or trickery going on here. A person says 'I want to buy all your commendations for 150g each.' You have the option to sell or not sell to him. They aren't understating the importance of the commendations, or trying to convince you they are worth less than they are. They offer a price and you choose to sell or not sell. ITS NOT A SCAM.
Now go find something more worthy to boohoo about. :P
Now go find something more worthy to boohoo about. :P
Puddin Cheeks
Okay then I should have named my thread 'Who is Noble enough to prevent people from selling Commendations for 150g'
Indian
to OP, what do you think the real world is? how do some people becomes rich, simple they buy cheap sell high. i dont think its a scam, sellers sets the price and if buyer agrees it, its a Done deal. no scamming there.
im not sure if its ur jealousy or ignorance is getting you,
anywats close this thread.
im not sure if its ur jealousy or ignorance is getting you,
anywats close this thread.
Kais Unduli
How about the thread title "I Have Nothing Else To Complain About"?
Seriously, it's not that big of a deal. If I hadn't used all my commendations on keys and ID kits, I would've sold them off as well.
Seriously, it's not that big of a deal. If I hadn't used all my commendations on keys and ID kits, I would've sold them off as well.
Puddin Cheeks
I guess it was the last line of my OP that upset you all, so sad, I am just seeing all of you bash it because it seems some of you have taken advantage of less experienced players. *Hangs head*, *Kicks Dirt*
XvArchonvX
I have no sympathy for people who get bent out of shape by people asking for prices that they don't agree with. Convenience comes at a price. Some people would rather pay too much for an item than wait forever to find one at a 'fair' price. The same goes for people that are willing to sell items for low amounts of money even though they could get a greater amount for it if they were to either be patient or perform some other task.
/agrees that thread should be closed
/agrees that thread should be closed
Indian
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I guess it was the last line of my OP that upset you all, so sad, I am just seeing all of you bash it because it seems some of you have taken advantage of less experienced players. *Hangs head*, *Kicks Dirt*
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if the person is new, he/she has to learn lessons, it may take time to adapt, its simple.. still i dont get why you calling it Scam.
Thats how the trading goes in Real world.
Theus
It isnt scamming.
Since when was getting something in return scamming?
If I offer to pay 1 g for all Commendations and a player sells me some,did I scam him?
No.It was his bloody choice to sell such items to me for such a price.
The sellers are to blame.Not the "scammers".
Since when was getting something in return scamming?
If I offer to pay 1 g for all Commendations and a player sells me some,did I scam him?
No.It was his bloody choice to sell such items to me for such a price.
The sellers are to blame.Not the "scammers".
Puddin Cheeks
It is funny that everyone keeps comparing the game to the "real" world. Also, No I am not new, having been playing GW since it released. I was just expecting more people that like to help other players to speak up on this. Apparently I have thrown myself at the mercy of you all because I am nice enough to help other players. Sorry, I didn't know that was a bad trait to have and Play (Virtual) Games. Obviously, the way we are supposed to act in the 'Virtual' World is Kill or Be Killed.
Kha
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It is funny that everyone keeps comparing the game to the "real" world. Also, No I am not new, having been playing GW since it released. I was just expecting more people that like to help other players to speak up on this. Apparently I have thrown myself at the mercy of you all because I am nice enough to help other players. Sorry, I didn't know that was a bad trait to have and Play (Virtual) Games. Obviously, the way we are supposed to act in the 'Virtual' World is Kill or Be Killed.
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There is no scamming going on here. Simply put, if people want to "invest" in something blindly without knowing who is getting the best deal then they are screwing themselves over. PERIOD.
I've sold plenty of stuff cheaper than it is worth cause I really don't care about making the most money in this game. I just want to get rid of it and rather sell to players than to the merchant even if the merchant would give me more money. I play the way I want to. If people want to sell that low, then let them. You can't stop everyone from making stupid decisions.
/closed
Gah, sometimes I wish I still was a mod
Eviance
Hun scamming is when you agree to trade for a certain amount and then screw that person out of it by ways of taking it back or changing the amount and so forth. The knowledge is there and if they haven't been looking around to find out how to trade something that they have so much of, then that is their own fault.
Not to mention its 50g and for most people 50g isnt worth crying over... It could also be that some people know how much they are worth and choose to sell them cheaply because they really don't need the money. The buyer isn't forcing that price on the seller and the seller isn't looking to find a better buyer.
Not to mention its 50g and for most people 50g isnt worth crying over... It could also be that some people know how much they are worth and choose to sell them cheaply because they really don't need the money. The buyer isn't forcing that price on the seller and the seller isn't looking to find a better buyer.
Trvth Jvstice
Puddin, I agree that it's wrong for the guy to buy the commendations etc from new players that don't know better. But--It isn't a scam as defined by anet or gwguru or guildwiki.
When you see dirtbags taking advantage of new players, you can always step up and let the uninformed know what's going on. I do and I've seen many other nice people do the same.
Remember, many people don't share the same morals as you and I.
When you see dirtbags taking advantage of new players, you can always step up and let the uninformed know what's going on. I do and I've seen many other nice people do the same.
Remember, many people don't share the same morals as you and I.
Puddin Cheeks
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Stop trying to sound like an angel in the game.
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Former Ruling
Overprotective mother syndrome anyone? A mother that shelters their kids in doors, doesn't let them go to the movies or to parties for fear of drugs and such, doesn't let them play video games and goes to meetings saying violent movies and games should be banned.
Basically does everything for the kid - EXCEPT - actually raising them into adults. Then they complain that their kid is a rapist, has depression/suicide thoughts, or shots up his school.
My point being in that little speech is that you CANNOT protect everyone from the world.
You are getting up on your soapbox in this thread proclaiming that we are A-holes for not standing up against the BLASPHEMY of someone taking 50gp from a newbie.
You know what? This world, and this game, are all full of people out to take advantage of you and these newbies. Its even worse in the game because people tend to forget their morals and such when they dont actually know the person. YOu know we all had that moment where we sold something cheaper because we didnt know price, or that moment we fell for a scam, and we learned from it. If you really want to teach people then teach them, don't go on little Tyraids against the world, and furthermore know that you dont help everyone.
Basically does everything for the kid - EXCEPT - actually raising them into adults. Then they complain that their kid is a rapist, has depression/suicide thoughts, or shots up his school.
My point being in that little speech is that you CANNOT protect everyone from the world.
You are getting up on your soapbox in this thread proclaiming that we are A-holes for not standing up against the BLASPHEMY of someone taking 50gp from a newbie.
You know what? This world, and this game, are all full of people out to take advantage of you and these newbies. Its even worse in the game because people tend to forget their morals and such when they dont actually know the person. YOu know we all had that moment where we sold something cheaper because we didnt know price, or that moment we fell for a scam, and we learned from it. If you really want to teach people then teach them, don't go on little Tyraids against the world, and furthermore know that you dont help everyone.
The Mighty Toe
No offense to you, but you are basically complaining about clever trading. To use a similar explanation as yours; if person A does not know the value of item x, and person B does, yet is also willing to buy them for a price lower than the value of x, and A wants to sell them, who are we to stop B doing that?
Jetdoc
It's the same with Monestary Credits...you can trade them in for Scrolls of Adventurer Insight, which you can sell for 100g.
Yet, you constantly see people spamming "WTB Monestary Credits for 50g or 75g"...
Yet, you constantly see people spamming "WTB Monestary Credits for 50g or 75g"...
Puddin Cheeks
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Overprotective mother syndrome anyone? A mother that shelters their kids in doors, doesn't let them go to the movies or to parties for fear of drugs and such, doesn't let them play video games and goes to meetings saying violent movies and games should be banned.
Basically does everything for the kid - EXCEPT - actually raising them into adults. Then they complain that their kid is a rapist, has depression/suicide thoughts, or shots up his school. |
So as soon as you get burned on a scam, turn around and take out your vengence on others. Nice Logic?
Also, tyriad against the world.... Yeah that was what I had in Mind. ROTFLMAO
tivaan stormbringer
That isnt scamming. That is like saying: If plant fibers can bought from a trader for 17 gold ea and sold to that trader for 12 gold each....but you advertise that you want to buy those for 10 ea from everyone. You are trying to save money by buying everyone elses, its all about trying to make the little money some of us have to get what we want out of the game too. Not everyone is uber rich and as long as people can check prices before they sell then there is no scam involved, people make their own choices in the end. 
Thargor
Just so I am sure I have this straight, we are bickering over a loss of 50g right?
If this is scamming then I have a TON of reports that I need to send in to support. I used to stand in the monastery and hand out 50g to anyone that needed it to open storage. 99% of these people would immediatly pay me back, and most of them would give back more than the 50g that I gave them. a few wouldnt pay me back and that was fine too. So the question is who is the scammer. the people who didn't pay me back (even though i never asked for repayment from any of them), or was I the scammer for taking more than the 50g I gave out?
This is one of the most useless threads I have seen on guru and I am surprised it has not been closed.
Bottom line is that if I post to buy anything at a price and someone sells it to me for that price no one was scammed, regardless of the actual price of the item traded.
If this is scamming then I have a TON of reports that I need to send in to support. I used to stand in the monastery and hand out 50g to anyone that needed it to open storage. 99% of these people would immediatly pay me back, and most of them would give back more than the 50g that I gave them. a few wouldnt pay me back and that was fine too. So the question is who is the scammer. the people who didn't pay me back (even though i never asked for repayment from any of them), or was I the scammer for taking more than the 50g I gave out?
This is one of the most useless threads I have seen on guru and I am surprised it has not been closed.
Bottom line is that if I post to buy anything at a price and someone sells it to me for that price no one was scammed, regardless of the actual price of the item traded.
Trvth Jvstice
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No offense to you, but you are basically complaining about clever trading. To use a similar explanation as yours; if person A does not know the value of item x, and person B does, yet is also willing to buy them for a price lower than the value of x, and A wants to sell them, who are we to stop B doing that?
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Of course if the person selling the commendations just wants to get rid of them and isn't concerned about the gold he didn't get, that's a different matter.
Also, helping a new player to not get taken advantage of isn't the same as an overprotective parent. It actually lets the new player be aware that they should be careful about buying/selling items.
myword
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Hun scamming is when you agree to trade for a certain amount and then screw that person out of it by ways of taking it back or changing the amount and so forth.
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Kha
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I really don't think it's the same. The people the OP is complaining about, are taking advantage of new players, not just making a good profit from an item/weapon sale. Sure, it's not a scam, but it's still wrong (aka immoral).
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Nor is it only new players that sell for this "low" price without knowing the true value of the item. Many veteran players just don't put 2+2 together. Time played means nothing. It's actually taking the time to learn the economy of the game that helps you make the most money possible or not get ripped off.
If two people agreeing to the price of the commendation and trading it for 100 or 150 gold is immoral, then all trading in the game is immoral since there is no defined prices (just guidelines) and we just sell at what we agree to.
Maxiemonster
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Okay then I should have named my thread 'Who is Noble enough to prevent people from selling Commendations for 150g'
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DeathandtheHealing
i thought it was just to save money on getting the elite mission keys?
cause thats what i was using them for on the elite mission weekend lol... ended up hating them anyways.
cause thats what i was using them for on the elite mission weekend lol... ended up hating them anyways.
nomercy
buy low sell high, get it?