Titles

Skill? The only thing PvE titles are proof of is time spent.

and pvp titles are not? the only thing a r12+ proves is that u played 6+ hours a day for the last 12 months at least.
i love how ppl always blame titles they dont have. i dont have r12. i blame r12. u dont have maxed pve title, u blame pve titles.

easy story

By that logic, all things in the world are not skill, but time spent. After all, your learn to do things by spending lots of time, yes?

Chest Running takes little to no skill. Assassins have Shadow Form, Warriors have all there defence, Monks have Spell Breaker, Elementalists have Mist Form, Rangers have there running skills/evasions, Mesmers have IoH and Distortion. The only 2 classes that don't have anything that helps are Ritualists and Necromancers. Now, with all these good skills, combined with others, chest running is easy. The only "skill" is watch aggro.

Theres a fine line between SKILL and TIME SPENT.

This makes no sence.

This is probably the hardest PvE title to get next to Advanced Skill Hunter and KoaBD. So, explain how there too easy? I agree that there quite easy, but your saying there too easy, and not worth a title.

It's the hardest PvE to get, tbe.

imo, the only thing that matters when it comes to titles, is that the player that has the title is pleased with it. What the rest of the GW community thinks of the different titles doesn´t matter. If you don´t like it or thinks that a certain title is useless, don´t get it.

You can never know in what way a player has gained a title, maybe he/she was power-levled, maybe he/she henched it, maybe the guild helped out and the player stayed out of harms way, maybe he/she was a major factor to complete quests.

The ONLY way to know if a player is good to play with is to play with him/her

While rank is not a direct measure of skill, there is some correlation - e.g. a high-ranked group is likely to play better than a low- or non-ranked group.

But the main reason I didn't mention PvP titles is because of Champion. You'd agree that title requires skill, right?

Very easy actually. Me and my boyfriend started a new chars in order to gain this title in a legitimate way only (we don't have factions and will play mostly with each other). So here is a the very basic idea how to prove it: screenshots. Screenshots of armor and weapons in order to prove that there is no boosting or high-end weapons. And of course screenshots of the map. If a person gaining this title by using runner services, you can see it clearly on the map. It's also can be noticed if a person haven't completed missions or bonuses. Of course there is no way to prove it after gaining a second title, but in this case I think that leveling up by capturing skills also can be a legitimate way to gain survivor.

not competely. knew guilds that reach high ratings just to fight each other powerleveling the champion title.
every title can be "hijacket". every title.

IMO, protector was the absolute easiest, followed by Advanced skill hunter. Any title that just requires a checklist followed by zoning around doesn't really constitute difficulty (and yes, that includes cartographer, I only consider that annoying).

Once again, titles are achievement records, not skill records. The achievement of 10000 chests is far beyond that of capping 180 elite skills - I'd like to consider myself to know the difference, as I had ASH the day it became possible.

Titles are not a direct measurement of skill, it does show that person is motivated, and spends lots of time and effort on the game, and thuis is probably quite skilled at the game. Titles may be 'easy' to get, it still requires dedication.

Well, i think what people are getting at with the pve titles is that its just a title that says "i spent 2 days running around the map" or "i run chests all day", you cant get really be a bad chest runner, running itself is pretty easy, and the extra work involved by hitting the spacebar twice to open a chest is nothing.

Well.. in that case, I have a non-legit survivor title... I farmed money for the 15k kurzik armor with my survivor whilst using xp scrolls inbetween missions/quests. Probably the reason she's only just gotten lvl1 skill hunter. thanks for the explanation I think I'll stick to displaying the skill hunter title.

Oh, and for those who think skill hunting isn't grind.. clear out perdition rock 5 times and tell me it's not grind

I've capped every elite in Perdition Rock on the same character. It's not really considered grind >.>

then I have no concept of what grind is...

Grind is killing Pindleskin in around twenty seconds max, hundreds of times a day, for that 0.000001% chance drop of a high modded unique item, every day for months. Heil Diablo II!

In Guild Wars... well, chest running by the thousand is, and HoHing to a lesser extent. It's relative to each person.

Nope. Not at all.

Not really. Like all titles it is just a measure of some general experience, not actual skill.

Going through each area five times is just enough to learn the area and fully appreciate it, for me. It's not an effort to clear a zone at all.

I'm sorry clearing zones is too hard for you, Sekkira, to force you to those harsh conclusions.

My point? Again, as I said, subjective relativity. It's no grind to me, 'tis to you.

To people that are more PvE inclined (like Avarre!) getting a high rating and holding it easily, especially for the higher tiers of champion, does indeed look like skill. For you, it wouldn't, but I wouldn't place myself anywhere near you in the PvP field.

Relativity people, relativity!

Where is the line drawn, exactly? You could say of a particular athlete in a sporting event "He doesn't have skill, he's just been in a lot of matches. That's why his team wins a lot."

Yeah I can't make my way through any area in guild wars. I'm still stuck in pre searing ascalon it's that hard.

Sorry you were forced to such conclusions as well.

Grind is repeating a task over and over to obtain something, it isn't about how hard the particular task is.

People still take others seriously in those tones? It's called a hyperbole Sek, I'm not mocking your capabilities.

And yes, the difficulty and effort applied do matter. If it's just casually trekking an area, especially as each boss has a different route, then I don't consider it as such.

Exceptions to the rule are made for Tahnnakai and Sunjiang, which are a pain, always, because the same thing so many times is just aggrivating.

No.

If that athelete is competing at a high level in their sport, then they are obviously skilled.

Put that in a GvG environment: If that player is competing at a high level in GvG, they are obviously skilled.

Both statements are correct, the problem is the Champion title does not reflect that.

You get one point per win whether you are a rank 200 guild that has Ranger spiked their way up the ladder, playing against teams just inside the 1200+ rating mark. You get one point per win if you are a rank 12 guild playing against the rest of the top 20. So for some players the points mean something, for some players the points mean nothing.

You also keep those points forever, so eventually no matter how bad you are you will scrape out a title from it just from repetitive play.

Champion points do not show that you are competing at a high level. They just show that you are competing.

Nothing in this game requires any great amount of skill.

/End of story

The members of iQ, EviL and War Machine would tend to differ, IMO.

Fixed imo.

Time spent does not equal skill...everything in this game is about time spent and practice.

Anyone can run 10,000 chests, the builds are posted here (no thinking required) all it requires is TIME.

Too many examples to post.

Surely to become skilled you have to practice?

With your attitude, everything in life is time spent. "Christ, I could be an olympic class marathon runner, if only I had spent that time doing it..."

The difference between the top 20 GvG guilds and your average player is that they have practiced longer and harder than anyone else, and have put more effort into understanding game and skill mechanics. Not to mention the general competitive attitude.

Yes, it is technically time spent in one aspect. It is also a measure of aptitude and intelligence, and partly down to your personality.

to have opened 5000-10000 chests does not mean you copied a build here, it means you were doing it far before there were builds here and perhaps the person who posted a build on running COPIED your build and posted it here after watching you.

i can say with assurance i was one of the first elementalist runners around, after running for a long time now i've seen more and more elementalist runners popping up, all of them knowing me and having seen my build whilst running, i simply ask them to not post any builds, however, there is always 1 person who wants attention.

as an elementalist it requires a lot of thinking, the build i have isn't exceptional, in fact it's quite basic and easily overloooked (or was at least). You have to time things perfectly or you get interupted, diverted, whatever else you can think of since it's a encahntment/spell and not a instant stance such as the warriors. When you say treasure hunting has no skill, try other classes besides the warrior/ranger.

My thoughts on titles: People are getting all upset comparing titles with each other, as if it was some kind of PvE Ladder. They are there for fun and personal achievement, get a grip people. Titles are something to do when you're bored looking for something to do.

That said I do have a few gripes about the title system:

1) Wisdom - This is the lamest title in that it correlates to NOTHING that matters in the game...not builds, not skill, not technique, not effort..... it only measures money. It would be better to just award a title for having 1M gold in storage...and equally pointless.

ID, ID, ID, ID, ID, Phew hard work, ID, ID, ID, ID, ....

The Wisdom title should be removed, as it gives some the illusion of being a real title.

2) Drunkard - Another pointless money-sink title. I don't mind the Drunkard title, but just like Lucky/Unlucky it should NOT count towards KoaBD! It's especially insulting that Drunkard DOES count, and Skill Hunter DOES NOT (yet)

3) Survivor - Existing characters cannot get this, which destroys it's validity IMHO. Think people would scream if Anet added a "Highest Level Minion" title and lockedout the other classes? Tier 1 starts at 14 DM....

Where are the QUESTING titles?
Where are the VS MONSTER titles? (Killed 10,000 Charr, or Skeletons, or Demons, or Plants....)
Where are the HA titles? (Longest HA win streak? Fewest deaths in a game/streak? ...)

The whole system seems to have started with a good intention and was then handed to the junior intern programmer down the hall, who just came over from WoW.

imo

okay i'm biased whatever