Ok, this may be thread number 1483259 orso about it, sorry but I dotn really care atm
I was goign for survivor title, as thread title suggested, had 420K exp with almost 40 hours playing.
Today I finished Boreas seabed, after the cutscene i typed /deaths to see if I ddient die in the skipscene or wahtever, it said 0 deaths.
Now I go to my GH, then to kaineng and maatukeep, go afk, come back.
Type /death again, just to see it, and now it says 1 death...
This is the second time this happend to me, deaths out of nowhere, anyone else had these problems??
Survivor title...gone...
DvM
SaucE
Can't say that I have seen it happen. But there is nothing that can be done. Cause I am 100% sure Anet won't go back over logs to see if you died or not just because you want a title.
Two April Mornings
I've heard of people just mapping out of an area where there were enemies and getting deaths, but I've never heard of someone mapping out after a mission into their GH and gettings deaths. I'm sorry.
King's Spectre
Sorry to hear about that. I agree with Mornings, I've never heard of getting a death just mapping between towns.
Jetdoc
Definitely haven't heard about this either. Did you happen to leave Maatu Keep and go outside, and appear a rez shrine while you were afk?
DvM
Nop, just stood there afk, inside it, dunno what happend, was laggy at that time, and had been logged on for quite some time, maybe the ''a new build..blah blah blah'' thing had something to do with it
Stemnin
You went afk, you left the computer's area with kids and or siblings around lol?
Loralai
The one time I attempted the Survivor title, I changed my mind about doing a mission at the time, mapped out and got a death. I think that mission areas may be buggy sometimes as far as leaving prior to completion or what have you, as I have heard more than one person complain about nearly the same issue, always involved a co-op mission.
Edited for my own benefit: mission with henchies..not ditching a group
Edited for my own benefit: mission with henchies..not ditching a group
The truth itself
Survivor title is the most stupid title imo, forcing you to play for the good of yourself, instead of playing for the good of the team. Seems contradictionary with the game spirit.
Besides that, I feel sorry for you. Maybe the city had an assault of luxon / kuzrick guards?
Besides that, I feel sorry for you. Maybe the city had an assault of luxon / kuzrick guards?
Cacheelma
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Besides that, I feel sorry for you. Maybe the city had an assault of luxon / kuzrick guards?
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And he said Kaineng and Maatu Keep, so, no.
Grasping Darkness
ive had the title problem and have emailed anet about the issue before and they will for no reason reset your title. 
Sir Skullcrasher
I think glitch are causing you to die without actually fighting. The best thing is to contact A-Net support and see if they can help. But the worst case solution is you need to redo this character all over again to reach level 20.
DvM
meeh, cant be bothered to try again, got the first title, was just 3 days orso from the next tier, but I guess i'll just have ti live with it, not such a big disaster.
Swinging Fists
The most likely culprit is either other people jumping on your computer while you were gone, or perhaps you were on a team and somebody on that team went outside to an explorable and you got killed there. Then you were back in the city before you came back.
Tachyon
Last night I was working on getting my Lv.12 E/R further into the 1st Survivor title by doing the Zen Daijun mission and then, hopefully, onto the 3000XP+ quests on the mainland.
So, there I was sitting in Zen Daijun when a Lv.20 E/Mo said he'd run me through the mission for no cost. Fair enough, it's not that difficult a mission I thought (well it isn't is it?). So we took a few henchies, mainly for a bit of passive healing and cannon fodder.
We get to the entrance to the cave on the left when I say, "hang on I'm just curing this Miasma" and he/she decides to aggro everything in sight and bring 'em onto me whilst still suffering from the -5 degen of Miasma.
The outcome? Not good at all, let's just say that my E/R won't be achieving Survivor.
Oh well, at least my Mesmer is well on the way to Survivor (2)!
So, there I was sitting in Zen Daijun when a Lv.20 E/Mo said he'd run me through the mission for no cost. Fair enough, it's not that difficult a mission I thought (well it isn't is it?). So we took a few henchies, mainly for a bit of passive healing and cannon fodder.
We get to the entrance to the cave on the left when I say, "hang on I'm just curing this Miasma" and he/she decides to aggro everything in sight and bring 'em onto me whilst still suffering from the -5 degen of Miasma.
The outcome? Not good at all, let's just say that my E/R won't be achieving Survivor.
Oh well, at least my Mesmer is well on the way to Survivor (2)!
WLlama
Hmmm....I can't say I've had any problems with my survivor candidate whether in town or in missions. I know a few times when the henchies were being all they can be I was forced to map once I realized they couldn't compete with a real team. (Unfortunately, I'm still forced to work mainly with henchies due to the assassin stigma.) So far, no deaths from those maps.
My guess most of the leaving deaths are from the lag time for map travel and closing the program...if you are under attack and have to pull up the map to travel or if there is any lag time...you may already be dead.
As stated earlier, I figure in this case it was probbaly either someone on the computer or in the team. Sorry though...I know how painful it can be to lose the title after you choose to go for it.
My guess most of the leaving deaths are from the lag time for map travel and closing the program...if you are under attack and have to pull up the map to travel or if there is any lag time...you may already be dead.
As stated earlier, I figure in this case it was probbaly either someone on the computer or in the team. Sorry though...I know how painful it can be to lose the title after you choose to go for it.
raven214
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Survivor title is the most stupid title imo, forcing you to play for the good of yourself, instead of playing for the good of the team. Seems contradictionary with the game spirit.
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I like the idea of the survivor title, but the implementation is seriously lacking. In any internet game, lag or other factors beyond one's control will occasionally cause "unfair things" (false deaths, buggy areas, moonwalking, etc) to happen. The current survivor implementation makes it difficult to obtain the title, at least legitimately -- it actually encourages dropping out of missions to protect yourself, and restarting your character from scratch whether you really got killed or the game decided to "kill you" (grind anyone?).
Also, it encourages you to either waste all sorts of fortune and time spent on older characters (and possibly unrecoverable event items), or shell out more money for another character slot just to get the title -- granted, this is only if you choose to do so.
I know this has been mentioned, but IMHO the survivor title in its current form is flawed. It should be for no deaths over a given period of experience earned, not ever. For example, you start a character in Tyria going for the title. Let's say you get to lvl 7 before the pre- to post-searing PvP battle. Once there, you are paired with a lvl 2 trying to rush through the game, versus two lvl 8's. Currently your choices are: 1) play the game and hope for the best, or 2) cheat by exiting out to skip to post-searing. The current system encourages taking shortcuts and choosing the safe route.
I fully realize people could still play it safe if this change were made, but at least they wouldn't be punished for playing the game, and it would give our older characters a chance to go for the title.
Illuminus
I have to agree with Raven... i had to recreated my survivor warrior about 3 times due to deaths caused either by my pc crashing or internet losing connection (two of them were close to tier 2). Trying to earn the title is fun, but the danger of losing connection ect is fustrating.. because its out of your hands when it does happen.
My current survivor is close to tier 2 again.. thanks to the elite capture event! But he will stay in limbo till Nightfall comes out. Im hoping to use the heroes to help me keep him alive if by chance i lose connection or crash again.
My current survivor is close to tier 2 again.. thanks to the elite capture event! But he will stay in limbo till Nightfall comes out. Im hoping to use the heroes to help me keep him alive if by chance i lose connection or crash again.
Horseman Of War
I was grinding survivor too, up until I got a run to Sanctum Kay and on two maps in a row this guy kept trying to pull all the enemies toward me. I told him to stop after the first one, explaining to him I only needed to get one and a half levels and all he did was laugh. I did end up zoning back to the guild hall, but I mustve got nipped just as i left, because I ended up getting a death.
After that I decided that survivor title isnt worth the stress. It was only my forth or fifth attempt, but honestly I cannot imagine grinding to level 2 or 3 survivor... I think Id be better off drunk for my kobd lol.
I hear ya tho OP that ^%$@# sucks.
After that I decided that survivor title isnt worth the stress. It was only my forth or fifth attempt, but honestly I cannot imagine grinding to level 2 or 3 survivor... I think Id be better off drunk for my kobd lol.
I hear ya tho OP that ^%$@# sucks.
WLlama
I too have wished for a method of getting old characters the title...but I can see why it might be easier for older characters to make it through that much xp without dying. However, with all the gimmicks people use to get survivor, I can't say the discrepancy is that great.
I know personally I've tried not to resort to such gimmicks for my survivor. He's been through a few missions with henchies and plenty with PuGs (when he can find one that will accept an assassin and I will not bail even if my survivor is doomed). He's now up to Sunjiang district and about 10k shy of Indomitable.
That all said, lag is a constant danger. I know I lost a number of survivor candidates due to that demon and have had a few close calls on my assassin. Would a revision of the title fallowing retries be feasible though? It would not fix the lag issue. I mean, I guess it does get rid of the one shot issue but none of the underlying issues will be fixed and so it seems that this title could just become incredibly frustrating either way.
I know personally I've tried not to resort to such gimmicks for my survivor. He's been through a few missions with henchies and plenty with PuGs (when he can find one that will accept an assassin and I will not bail even if my survivor is doomed). He's now up to Sunjiang district and about 10k shy of Indomitable.
That all said, lag is a constant danger. I know I lost a number of survivor candidates due to that demon and have had a few close calls on my assassin. Would a revision of the title fallowing retries be feasible though? It would not fix the lag issue. I mean, I guess it does get rid of the one shot issue but none of the underlying issues will be fixed and so it seems that this title could just become incredibly frustrating either way.
XvArchonvX
While in theory the survivor title sounds like a good way to show that you know how to handle yourself, it really loses a lot of merit since there are so many ways to get around actually working for it. Also glitch and lag deaths really aren't fair for those who have worked hard at attaining it legitimately. Going for anything beyond a lvl 1 survivor title on a Canthan char is a waste of time imho since there are too many ways to lose it from factors beyond your control (i.e. lag death, glitches, etc) and the only way to really attain it with any form of reliability is to grind farm it.
Daemon Loki
I had the same problem had been playing my assassin he was around level 17 and look at my deaths after logging in one day and see 1. I had just finished Zen Daijun with a personal friend the night before and I know that before that mission I had no deaths and during the mission I had no deaths, I was sort of mad because I know for a fact that I did not die at any time and never went AFK once, even when asking if I had died he had responded no.
Its one thing when you die and see yourself do it but when you die having no clue how it happened it just plain sucks, atleast I was only level 17 at the time so no harm done but I think I must have died at the end cutscene even though we had skipped it. Considering there is all that pink -5 degen Miasma and I could have possibly been low on health that is my only idea. Players should become invincible during the cutscenes.
I feel your pain and I agree this should be fixed.
Its one thing when you die and see yourself do it but when you die having no clue how it happened it just plain sucks, atleast I was only level 17 at the time so no harm done but I think I must have died at the end cutscene even though we had skipped it. Considering there is all that pink -5 degen Miasma and I could have possibly been low on health that is my only idea. Players should become invincible during the cutscenes.
I feel your pain and I agree this should be fixed.
Elbereth_Tiniquetil
Survivor title is a bugger of a title and as said by others can cause antisocial behaviour
The first time playing for the survivor title I played on the factions side for faster leveling playing in teams, I never left a group had some very close calls, at one point my hp was down to 40 but I survived. I got my toon to level 16 and decided to try lv up in the naga source area. I did ok but was taking 3/4 damage from spirit rifts so I decided to leave the area and when in a safe place I mapped back to town.
Back in town I noticed that the bar had disappeared and I had recorded a death.
Este No.2
Died at level 17 when playing with a group doing cap son…
Este No.3
My character died at level 19 while getting the sanctum cay mission run by a level20 warrior who was one of the most uncoordinated runners of all time. I could see that the viz was about to die so from frustration I decided to map, (I had paid the runner at the start btw) back in town my cr had recorded a death, she must have died mid mapping.
Este No.4
This time no chances, I took ½ protection spells and completed all the quests / missions on the island then moved to KC did some easy quests to get to lv 20 and finally got the first survivor level. Decided best way to lv was capping so moved to LA did some missions to get to drocs but in S Cay mid mission was about to die so did the evil f12 but the game recorded a death. I think that game mods have moved to stop people cheating by recording a death if you leave a group or mission mid battle.
After my characters death I just played the game normal and had a lot more fun, we all joked about how bad we played when we died. I don’t think I will go for this title anymore as its more fun to play the game with groups without the stress or jerkiness of leaving a group just for a title.
The first time playing for the survivor title I played on the factions side for faster leveling playing in teams, I never left a group had some very close calls, at one point my hp was down to 40 but I survived. I got my toon to level 16 and decided to try lv up in the naga source area. I did ok but was taking 3/4 damage from spirit rifts so I decided to leave the area and when in a safe place I mapped back to town.
Back in town I noticed that the bar had disappeared and I had recorded a death.
Este No.2
Died at level 17 when playing with a group doing cap son…
Este No.3
My character died at level 19 while getting the sanctum cay mission run by a level20 warrior who was one of the most uncoordinated runners of all time. I could see that the viz was about to die so from frustration I decided to map, (I had paid the runner at the start btw) back in town my cr had recorded a death, she must have died mid mapping.
Este No.4
This time no chances, I took ½ protection spells and completed all the quests / missions on the island then moved to KC did some easy quests to get to lv 20 and finally got the first survivor level. Decided best way to lv was capping so moved to LA did some missions to get to drocs but in S Cay mid mission was about to die so did the evil f12 but the game recorded a death. I think that game mods have moved to stop people cheating by recording a death if you leave a group or mission mid battle.
After my characters death I just played the game normal and had a lot more fun, we all joked about how bad we played when we died. I don’t think I will go for this title anymore as its more fun to play the game with groups without the stress or jerkiness of leaving a group just for a title.
Redwinter
Happened to me twice, and what I suspect:
Then again, it could be a bug. I didn't think I would've died, when my mesmer lost her chance at Indomitable.
- GW doesn't always give you the most up to date info on health and such. While the server makes calculations, the game fails to update your /deaths count for a teeny while.
Thus, you leave a hairy situation, and while the map for the next area is loading, your character is standing there getting whaled on. You check your /deaths count immediately after arriving, but the game hasn't finished doing the procedures for removing your survivor title, upping the count & loading the new area, so there's a delay in registering the deaths.
Then again, it could be a bug. I didn't think I would've died, when my mesmer lost her chance at Indomitable.
rezabm
Survivor title is the most contraproductive title ever. Everytime there was a survivorman/woman on our team he/she disconnected when the situation got a little bit rough...Result? I'm now rather finicky when it comes to accept another survivor geek to our team 
Aillas
No kidding - I hate adventuring with people working on survivor (of course the smart one don't display that title) unless they are friends/guild/alliance and they are up front about playing it safe - hanging back, running away, mapping out in total emergencies.
XvArchonvX
I find it kind of ironic that I got the survivor title (lvl 1) on my assasin in attempts to display that I could play the class wisely (protective spirit ftw), but even though I have discontinued my efforts to further my title, I now fear that groups may actually not want to let me in since they might assume me to be more worried about surviving than helping.
Darkpower Alchemist
I have a warrrior with only 11 deaths and in Maatu Keep. Never left anyone, and always had a RL group when in missions,so if that's not surviving,I don't know what is. My first death happened half way through lvl 19.
No title, but I am still proud.
No title, but I am still proud.
hidden_agenda
Well, I have to admit that most of the people posted on this topic are way better than me in avoiding death. It took me 9 tries before I managed to get one char to the 1st level of the Survivor title.
I think it may have something to do with my gaming personality which tends to be risk-loving (as oppose to somewhat risk averse in real-life, after all no resurrection shrines next to the black diamond skii slope)...
My 4th level char going for a Survivor title: "Hey, there is a 12th level Red Yeti! I am gonna go kick his butt!"
Less than a minute later, me in front of the computer: "FRAK!! There goes another try..."
I think it may have something to do with my gaming personality which tends to be risk-loving (as oppose to somewhat risk averse in real-life, after all no resurrection shrines next to the black diamond skii slope)...
My 4th level char going for a Survivor title: "Hey, there is a 12th level Red Yeti! I am gonna go kick his butt!"
Less than a minute later, me in front of the computer: "FRAK!! There goes another try..."
Rera
I've addressed the issues around the survivor title so many times it's becoming frustrating.
- There's a real and significant difference between "do X without dying" and "do X with 0 deaths, period". The first allows mistakes - you can mess up and still have a shot at the title. The latter does not. If you die, you remake, and that's it. This presents a real and serious risk - the equipment you bought and the time you spent on the character will be wasted if you choose to remake - and that translates into a significant psychological burden. If you change the Legendary Survivor title to "get X exp without dying", it is no longer the same title at all.
- The solution for old characters without changing the mechanics of the title is to allow all characters created before Factions release a one-time death reset.
- Going for survivor involves minimizing risks. There's the risk of people actively trying to get you killed to ruin your chance at survivor, or people who are just plain incompetent and will get you killed because they don't know and don't want to know how to play the game correctly. The solution is to not group with these people - take henchmen, guildies, or friends. There's the risk of disconnection. The solution is to make sure that, even if you disconnect, you won't die. Obviously, there's no way to guarantee this, but taking a full group and playing very carefully will minimize the chances of deaths due to disconnections, power failure, and other non-game factors. This is why I stopped advocating exp farming for survivor purposes - you can't survive mistakes or unforseen problems. If you d/c in the middle of 16 trolls, you're dead. This also means that you shouldn't be playing your survivor character when there's a high chance of disconnection, say, during a thunderstorm.
- There's a real and significant difference between "do X without dying" and "do X with 0 deaths, period". The first allows mistakes - you can mess up and still have a shot at the title. The latter does not. If you die, you remake, and that's it. This presents a real and serious risk - the equipment you bought and the time you spent on the character will be wasted if you choose to remake - and that translates into a significant psychological burden. If you change the Legendary Survivor title to "get X exp without dying", it is no longer the same title at all.
- The solution for old characters without changing the mechanics of the title is to allow all characters created before Factions release a one-time death reset.
- Going for survivor involves minimizing risks. There's the risk of people actively trying to get you killed to ruin your chance at survivor, or people who are just plain incompetent and will get you killed because they don't know and don't want to know how to play the game correctly. The solution is to not group with these people - take henchmen, guildies, or friends. There's the risk of disconnection. The solution is to make sure that, even if you disconnect, you won't die. Obviously, there's no way to guarantee this, but taking a full group and playing very carefully will minimize the chances of deaths due to disconnections, power failure, and other non-game factors. This is why I stopped advocating exp farming for survivor purposes - you can't survive mistakes or unforseen problems. If you d/c in the middle of 16 trolls, you're dead. This also means that you shouldn't be playing your survivor character when there's a high chance of disconnection, say, during a thunderstorm.
KANE OG
My Mes has just reached lvl 1 survivor.... legit! Yes, I had a Guildie or two helping. But just because you're duoing ettins, bog scales and mergoyles with a lvl 20 ele helping doesn't guarantee a thing. It was a rush in the tight situations when she died and I had to fend for myself. Sorry to the OP for the loss... I woulda broke something.
Mandrea
honestly, i'm not sure what you guys are talking about.
13 days, survivor 3, no problems. no mapping out, no close calls.
to make it crazier, i played a dervish mystic sandstorm build >.>
its all about starting in NF, going back to cantha to do up to eternal grove (the hatchery is cake..) and then capping your surviving little face off!
if you're a caster, its pretty easy, stock up with 3 healers, and play the role of "backup healer"...enchantments + signet of pious light ftw!
13 days, survivor 3, no problems. no mapping out, no close calls.
to make it crazier, i played a dervish mystic sandstorm build >.>
its all about starting in NF, going back to cantha to do up to eternal grove (the hatchery is cake..) and then capping your surviving little face off!
if you're a caster, its pretty easy, stock up with 3 healers, and play the role of "backup healer"...enchantments + signet of pious light ftw!
Count to Potato
maybe you had one of those short term memory losses, and forgot you died, or you just wont admit you couldn't click the exit button fast enough
Alias_X
It could be some sort of lag issue. Sometimes the minutes drunk for the drunkard title don't add up immediately either.
Loki Seiguro
i dont mind grinding for the title. Im about to make a monk with a freind of mine in the original prophocies campigen and try to get to lvl 20 there lol..i herad there is another title you can get if you attain lvl 20 in presearing.....and also i dont thkn deaths in presearing count..
Tranquilis
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Survivor title is the most stupid title imo, forcing you to play for the good of yourself, instead of playing for the good of the team.
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Survivor title is the most contraproductive title ever. Everytime there was a survivorman/woman on our team he/she disconnected when the situation got a little bit rough...Result? I'm now rather finicky when it comes to accept another survivor geek to our team
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OTOH, I have lost the title five times in six tries sticking with the team and playing for the party, instead of mapping out when things have gone south. I can't count the number of times I nearly lost the title sticking it out. The only thing this title hunt does is make me play more conservatively and smarter - no swashbuckling. But I still take missions, I still shepard green players through missions, and I still advance the storyline.
I'm not the only one, either.
So, watch that broad brush you're swinging there... you're painting some people that don't deserve it.
BeXoR
I was farming ghial with a 55/spirit bond build during the double green drop weekend and I'd zone out to Bukdek from Xaquang and when I'd get out there I'd have an extra 15% debt. It happened two or three times. No mobs around or anything. It might have had something to do wiht me being a 55 and it calculating the -hp wrong since I think I had some debt. I haven't done anything that has caused this since.
I bug reported it though.
I bug reported it though.
Faith Angelis
Been working on a survivor character for the past few days - now on my second attempt after losing the first at rank 10 while mapping out of an area. As someone above said, I think while you are zoning, until loaded your character is just standing there getting slapped.
My solution? If it comes close to the wire, I'm not bothering with zoning, or even F12+Enter ... good old Alt+F4 for me.
(Worth mentioning that my Survivor wannabe only plays with henchies or understanding friends!)
My solution? If it comes close to the wire, I'm not bothering with zoning, or even F12+Enter ... good old Alt+F4 for me.
(Worth mentioning that my Survivor wannabe only plays with henchies or understanding friends!)
The Silver Star
Sounds like somebody died and would like that death to be a "bug" and hopefully nice little Anet will take away there little death...
Eilsys
An easy "fix" would be to make it consecutive experiance, so if you messed up, you could still try again on the same toon.
I always do something stupid and die early usually, so I don't bother going for 'em.
I always do something stupid and die early usually, so I don't bother going for 'em.