Noobs with Heroes

Is that correct, thought I read different?

Or just 1 player + 3 heroes for the hardcore ppl amongst us... ^^

And on the above poster, Anet has already said it would be possible to BOTH bring 3 heroes. Its not 3 max for party, its 3 max per person. And Heroes will very likely not be available in PvP, since they made a special Hero vs Hero arena for this purpose.

And on the PvE vs PvP rant (which is not the topic): Screw in mission at the end and you will start again... see any differences with HA, beside the fact missions take longer then ascending to HoH through the tombs? Stop saying that either one is more important or fun or whatever then the other. I do both, and both are hard/easy/annoying at times, just depending on the situation/team/foes. Stop making judgements about things that you haven't experienced yourself.

I don't see the big difference. In PvP, too, you have plenty of time/ tries to do what you want. You said it yourself: "Screw up HA and you start the climb again." How is that different from "Screw up <insert PvE mission name here> and you get kicked back to outpost." The only difference is the amount of time that you need to reach the same point again. Yesterday I did Gyala Hatchery the "safe but long" way, and we lost 1 baby turtle after more than 1 hour of preparation (clearing the path). Many people's winning streaks in HA are less than 1 hour.

heres a question, if you are the party leader will u be able to kick other players heros out of the group?

Yes, and THK requires a certain long time to pass before the last group attacks the walls.

Yes you can indeed bring 3 and have a buddy bring 3 too.. a party can be made out of 2 players, along with 6 heroes..

The only thing is, is that we all will be noobs with heroes.

I apologize for my misleading words- that is not what I meant. Players who have errors are not noobs. I only meant that the outcome would be the same- That if a single player leaves, your team will be short by several players.
I fixed my original post as well..

uhh im diregarding that entire mission due to how easy it is. if you can mm with hench a mission, that is proof enough why pve isnt serious.



and im pretty sure it is only 3 heroes max per party. so 3 heroes, one player, another player, and 3 more heroes i dont think will be possible.

if you were smart you'd talk to the other person before the mission and find out what heros they have and how they're set up. the only way to get stuck with a noob is if you're a noob yourself. here's an even better idea, if they don't know what they're doing, help them. there'd be less "noobs" in the game if people would help each other learn the game instead of flaming them for not knowing something. i see it in this game all the time, and it's annoying. older players flame the new ones, then the new ones start flaming the newer ones. it's an endless cycle of stupidity.

it IS possible to have 2 players and 6 heroes, during the Sunday a guildie and myself went out with 2 Koss´s, 1 Melonni, 1 Sousuke (the ele heroe) and 1 Talhkora and the other monk that has a weird name, so it IS posible, i had Koss, the ele, and the fem monk, she had the other koss, melonni, and the old monk.

it is possible to play with 1+3 and 1+3 but you cannot kick the other persons heroes out the group they have to do it themselves how fun will it be asking people to kick Koss The W/Mo....(not that all will choose that but im sure some will)

stupid threath title infact we are ALL noobs with the new Hero system since it is new to any1 who is going to play nightfall.....

You're wrong. On both issues:

The first question is a matter of opinion. Of course high-level PvP requires more skill than low-level PvE, but the same applies vice-versa. Yes, most missions can be beaten with henchies. But a low-level PvP player team can also be beaten by an AI-controlled opponent team. Does that proof that PvP or PvE takes less skill? Not really. Of course, the human brain *should* be superior to AI, so ultimately beating human opponents should be more difficult and take more skill than beating AI. But most human aren't half as smart as they should be, so AI can easily compensate the disadvantage, in most cases. Don't tell me that PvP takes more skill as long as 90% of the teams in HA use standard vanilla cookie cutter builds. IWAY != skill.

Anyway, this thread isn't supposed to be a PvP-vs-PvE discussion, so I'll let it slide now.

As for the second question, it's very clear. ANet have stated several times that they set the limit of 3 heroes per player in order to encourage "buddygaming", i.e. 2 human players, each bringing 3 heroes, forming a party of 8. See for example this preview on Gamespot:

"You can have up to three heroes with you at any one time, but you can also fill out the rest of an eight-man party with henchmen. This will let you explore much of the game by yourself, though the optimal party will have two players. With two players with three heroes each, you have a full eight-member party that consists of powerful characters."

or you can just take henchman and do the mission probably at first try.

I myself have not come across many of these people thank goodness but the heroes are only based on the number of people you have in your party if you have a full party of 8 people there is no room for heroes so that one person you call a noob will still do what they always do.
Now on the other hand if you do not have a full group and want to take heores make sure you take yours if you know you wont be that noob if it is such a big issue, what we did in the preview weekend is basically take the hero that would benefit the group as a whole lvl wise and skill wise, remember that heores skills are based on what you have unlocked on your account.

Well when you run a pug it is also important to find out the type of chr that person is bringing.Is he nuke Ele or is your monk a healer or smiter.You dont need to know every skill.So it seems it would be smart to ask second human what type of heroes he was bringing.That way you could match up the needs for mission or quest.
Just a note:Noob seems to be the word of the day in GW..silly if you ask me.
I was called one because I wouldn't pay 2k for blue dye..) Anyhow I guess it is better than using a swear word....oh well

Your teammates heros dont leave if he/she leaves. They stay with the remaining player (I e7'd during the event a few times, but my Heros stayed with my g/f).

So apparently one person said the answer to this question is no. Can I get a confirmation on this so I'll know whether or not to start a petition?

If we're not currently able to kick other peoples Heroes from the group as the party leader, there will be hundreds upon thousands of times when forming group when you can't get the last people you need because some bastard won't drop his heroes from the group so you can get something the team really needs.

...and that won't happen anyways?