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TheMosesPHD

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Oregon

Mo Mo Patty Blinks [MoMo]

R/

24 Oct 2006 at 22:49 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinger314

...and that won't happen anyways?

What? I don't understand your response.

If you can kick another person's hero, even if they can put it right back in, you have a gap in time when you can grab someone that's requesting to join the party before they reclick their hero into the group.

So how would nothing at all change if you're given the ability to kick another person's hero?

Or another situation. You're 6/8 with real people and want to use two of your own heroes, but some other player has already locked in two of his own crappier heroes.

Why shouldn't the party leader be given the power to decide which heroes stay and which go?

The quick solution would be to kick the person who's adding in their heroes, but will you be able to see who's Koss it is in the group? A Koss is a Koss is a Koss.

Also you don't always have the option of having someone to replace the person you want to kick. If you're using heroes in the first place it means you're lacking enough players as is even. :/

Lord Palidore

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

24 Oct 2006 at 22:52 - 42

I'm planning on only using heroes and henchmen, and no I'm not referring to the OP

sindex

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

California

Swords of Night & Day [SWRD]

24 Oct 2006 at 23:00 - 43

I was pondering about this (this fits into one of the Cons of the hero system); except about the whole use of noob, I rather use the term ignorant, bad, or just plain evil GW players. I had a feeling that this problem would show up in a thread but not this early though. In some ways it’s really amounts to the valued player or the experience player (that is not enough however) that has the heroes. I think we are all capable of leading, but where we fall in using this new system will define what it should make us (either good or bad)?

So what it comes down to be the ethical player, not the extreme player which will be the one who will ruin this new system for the rest of us. So it really relates to what we known about the GW community already, will be very helpful to us picking the right person to lead heroes into battle; if not your just playing screwed.

Gordon Ecker

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

Vancouver, BC, Canada

N/

24 Oct 2006 at 23:35 - 44

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMosesPHD

So apparently one person said the answer to this question is no. Can I get a confirmation on this so I'll know whether or not to start a petition?

If we're not currently able to kick other peoples Heroes from the group as the party leader, there will be hundreds upon thousands of times when forming group when you can't get the last people you need because some bastard won't drop his heroes from the group so you can get something the team really needs.

You can still tell them to kick their heroes or you'll kick them. I still think that the leader should be able to kick heroes directly.

Well99

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Nix Guild (NG)

N/E

24 Oct 2006 at 23:50 - 45

I can see the new spam.GLF monk and monk heroe.Also agree with sindex the use of noob.The problem isnt about new or old player it is the player who isnt willing to work with group.His/her way is the only way.To bad because that ruins it for others.There is nothing more fun than getting into a pug with a group of people who work together.With the heroes I think as it has been expressed if someone isnt willing to work with group kick him or leave.
2 days and a wake up ....)

Phantom Gun

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

Minion Bombing in Elona

The Drunken Dragons [DRNK]

Rt/N

25 Oct 2006 at 00:44 - 46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragasa

if you were smart you'd talk to the other person before the mission and find out what heros they have and how they're set up. the only way to get stuck with a noob is if you're a noob yourself. here's an even better idea, if they don't know what they're doing, help them. there'd be less "noobs" in the game if people would help each other learn the game instead of flaming them for not knowing something. i see it in this game all the time, and it's annoying. older players flame the new ones, then the new ones start flaming the newer ones. it's an endless cycle of stupidity.

I agree.

This game would be much more enjoyable if people would help each other instead of flame. Even if you are not the one being flamed in a party it still slows people down and sometimes it makes people choose to leave. Then you get those players that blame failing a mission on everybody but themselves. That's always entertaining.

They spend most of their time typing and getting angry that they lose focus on the mission which makes them a bad apple as well.

To the original poster I wouldn't worry to much. I bet there will be plenty of people who would prefer to just not use heros at all. I personly like them so I won't have to stand around for a few hours trying to find a group that doesn't act like a "proffesion" rule book.

kazjun

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

HoVa

W/N

25 Oct 2006 at 01:23 - 47

You don't need to kick heroes. Try talking to the guy controlling the hero. Most of the time I don't see how this'd be a problem. Of course if they just rant about their heroes, then kick them if you don't get along. Cause if you're just kicking their heroes without their say so, more likely than not they're not going to listen to you anymore. I would certainly prefer a human to a hero, even if only to see how they play, but if I was in a party and the leader was kicking my hero WITHOUT asking I'd more like than not just leave the party.

Well99

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Nix Guild (NG)

N/E

25 Oct 2006 at 01:35 - 48

Common courtesy goes along way.Makes the game more enjoyable.Since my NF has been shipped I promise to be nice today on GW..sorry working on my second childhood..)

O R A N

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2006

florida

The Assassins Creed

A/

25 Oct 2006 at 01:35 - 49

an AFKer isnt a noob...he simply is afk

Batou of Nine

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

California, USA

Angel Sharks [AS] (RiP [KaiZ] T__T")

Mo/E

25 Oct 2006 at 02:12 - 50

Solution::

As group leader, when forming a group, do not allow ANY group members to bring their heroes unless you know better.

Problem solved. cheers!

Gordon Ecker

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

Vancouver, BC, Canada

N/

25 Oct 2006 at 08:15 - 51

Quote:

Originally Posted by kazjun

You don't need to kick heroes. Try talking to the guy controlling the hero. Most of the time I don't see how this'd be a problem. Of course if they just rant about their heroes, then kick them if you don't get along. Cause if you're just kicking their heroes without their say so, more likely than not they're not going to listen to you anymore. I would certainly prefer a human to a hero, even if only to see how they play, but if I was in a party and the leader was kicking my hero WITHOUT asking I'd more like than not just leave the party.

I think the main advantage would be the ability to quickly free up a slot to invite a monk, minion master, interrupter or whoever's in high demand for a given mission before some other group beats you to them. There's probably some other minor uses for it.

Ninna

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Northeast USA

Guilded Rose

Me/

25 Oct 2006 at 08:42 - 52

as has already been said

- you can have 6 heroes in a party (3 per player)

- if somone is being stubborn about keeping heroes, KICK that person

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

25 Oct 2006 at 10:03 - 53

So what happens if the player with the Heroes dies?

Who gets control, or do they just go awol and run away.

If your worried about the other payers Heroe, just do what people do anyway and ask their lvl and armor and stats.

And prey they know what their doing.

Ninna

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Northeast USA

Guilded Rose

Me/

25 Oct 2006 at 10:55 - 54

Quote:

Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

So what happens if the player with the Heroes dies?

Who gets control

doesnt matter if you are alive or dead -- you still control your own heroes

when I died during the Preview event, I made Koss rez me

Cebe

The 5th Celestial Boss

Join Date: Jul 2006

Inverness, Scotland

The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

E/

25 Oct 2006 at 12:16 - 55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninna

when I died during the Preview event, I made Koss rez me

I love that! No more "REZZZZZ MEEEEEEE" or "I'm Dead" or "OMG MONKS REEESSSSSSSSS"

Now it's "STFU - Make Koss Do It!"

lol

Aaaanyway, I've been predicting for some time that this use of heroes will only cause arguments in groups. It'll all be a case of "Well my Dunkoro is better than yours"..."Your Koss is a Noob!"..."OMGWTFBBQPWN Your Dunkoro is a Smiter! SMITER NOOB!"

*shakes head*

Unless people become more mature and figure out which heroes to take rationally and sensibly PuGs will be so much worst than they already are. One good thing, other than the res thing, should come out of this though...a "hench" monk...controlled by another player. What was that Monks? You're not going to be able to join a party and leave half way through to annoy people any more because people will just get cross and use Dunkoro instead? What? You can't find a group anymore? Shame that! - Just desserts. *cough* THK *cough*

Quote:

Originally Posted by O R A N

an AFKer isnt a noob...he simply is afk

/agreed

When my brother goes afk he get's a slap. A virtual slap that is, since I live 400 miles away... There's never a need to go AFK...unless it's an emergency. "I needed the toilet" mid-battle is a crap reason...

Ninna

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Northeast USA

Guilded Rose

Me/

25 Oct 2006 at 12:30 - 56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver

I love that! No more "REZZZZZ MEEEEEEE" or "I'm Dead" or "OMG MONKS REEESSSSSSSSS"

Now it's "STFU - Make Koss Do It!"

assuming that you are mindful to give your Heroes Rez signets

I just *know* some people wont bother ...

Cebe

The 5th Celestial Boss

Join Date: Jul 2006

Inverness, Scotland

The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

E/

25 Oct 2006 at 13:01 - 57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninna

assuming that you are mindful to give your Heroes Rez signets

I just *know* some people wont bother ...

Oh dear. You know.. you're right!

Valeria

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Germany

PaRe

W/

15 Dec 2006 at 23:36 - 58

reminds me on a nice run when we were whiped by shiro and i used Thalkora to run away and rez us carefully. Half of us had 60% malus but we were finally able to beat shiro and the lich.

And AFKers reminds me on a $%§*+# nekro who was afk the whole mission but suddenly appeared to skip the final cinematic after we beat the mission

I love heroes no more "need 2 monks to complete group" problems

Sir Skullcrasher

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

California

15 over 50 [Rare]

W/Mo

15 Dec 2006 at 23:49 - 59

I don't know, heroes isn't that bad! It all depends on the skills you have for them.

eudas

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Tx, USA

The Infinite Monkeys [TYPE]

W/

16 Dec 2006 at 00:02 - 60

look at it this way -- if the noob with heroes is a leaver, that leaves you with 6 heroes under your command, which is still better than 6 henchies and 1 noob.

eudas

Swinging Fists

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/Mo

16 Dec 2006 at 00:04 - 61

For me, other than with guildies, I'm either going to solo it with heroes and henches, or PUG it with all humans. There really won't be a time when I would PUG with 1 other person and 6 heroes. Why bother ? So, if you are worried about one fool ruining half your team, don't join a 2-man PUG.