Hero Battles Rewards - are they serious? - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

27 Oct 2006 at 10:31 - 1

Quote:

Players get 20 Balthazar’s faction for each point scored and 100 faction for winning.

Is that seriously it? If so then Hero Battles are going to be 100% pointless and likely share the same fate as Jade Quarry.

Now it's clear why the devs and previews never mentioned anything about Hero Battle "rewards" until now - because to do so would have made it clear how Hero Battles are 100% pointless due to no decent reward would have not been in the best interest of Nightfall's sales.

Any chance the devs might do something about this to make Hero Battles actually have a point to playing?

Here is what Lead Designer James Phinney said:

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We’re always discussing our own experiences and all the feedback we see in the forums, and looking for ways to make Guild Wars more rewarding, more dynamic, and more polished.

If all Hero Battles give is a bit of Balthazar faction, then Hero Battles are in deperate need of some of that "more rewarding" part! Clearly as it stands, the reward for Hero Battles is not in line with the quoted statement there.

I would suggest giving Fame for winning in Hero Battles or if not Fame then at least something decent.

Tainek

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

[Rage]

27 Oct 2006 at 10:33 - 2

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navaros

Is that seriously it? If so then Hero Battles are going to be 100% pointless and likely share the same fate as Jade Quarry.

Now it's clear why the devs and previews never mentioned anything about Hero Battle "rewards" until now - because to do so would have made it clear how Hero Battles are 100% pointless due to no decent reward would have not been in the best interest of Nightfall's sales.

Any chance the devs might do something about this to make Hero Battles actually have a point to playing?

Here is what Lead Designer James Phinney said:

If all Hero Battles give is a bit of Balthazar faction, then Hero Battles are in deperate need of some of that "more rewarding" part! Clearly as it stands, the reward for Hero Battles is not in line with the quoted statement there.

I would suggest giving Fame for winning in Hero Battles or if not Fame then at least something decent.

So TA and GVG are pointless then>?

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

27 Oct 2006 at 10:35 - 3

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Originally Posted by Tainek

So TA and GVG are pointless then>?

More or less, except for the fact that you can get titles for them. Although titles are also not nearly enough of a reward for those areas. Those areas are likewise under-rewarded, but not nearly as bad as Hero Battles which doesn't even give titles.

broodijzer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

void

Mo/

27 Oct 2006 at 10:37 - 4

Where are the days that people played for fun instead of some reward that really isn't that important?

Arx Baron

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

Maestus Nex

Mo/

27 Oct 2006 at 10:38 - 5

What would be the point of a Hero battle title track? Meaning you pwn when you play alone? So what? If you're so good, then you won't need to join any group i guess.

Tainek

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

[Rage]

27 Oct 2006 at 10:38 - 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navaros

More or less, except for the fact that you can get titles for them. Although titles are also not nearly enough of a reward for those areas. Those areas are likewise under-rewarded, but not nearly as bad as Hero Battles which doesn't even give titles.

i forget sarc is lost on the internet

The reward is PLAYING the game, as in, you know, enjoying it?

if gvg is pointless, why are so many guilds active in gvg?

Arcador

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

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R/N

27 Oct 2006 at 10:40 - 7

20x20 = 400 + 100 for win, or 380 down to 0 for loss
This is a lot.

People play this game for FUN, not for points. 95% of the gvg players do it because they enjoy the overal feeling.

It is leechers that care only about points and it is the same bots that ruin the fort and the quarry.

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

27 Oct 2006 at 10:41 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arx Baron

What would be the point of a Hero battle title track? Meaning you pwn when you play alone? So what? If you're so good, then you won't need to join any group i guess.

Sure, why not. Those who are successful at "pwning" 1vs1 deserve decent rewards for that including titles and emotes or at least something that can be sold for gold ie Kurz/Lux Faction.

Bale_Shadowscar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Manchester, England

New Dragons [NDR]

27 Oct 2006 at 12:04 - 9

I guess they'll add a Hero Battle Title.

Faer

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

Join Date: Feb 2006

27 Oct 2006 at 12:13 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by broodijzer

Where are the days that people played for fun instead of some reward that really isn't that important?

You stole my question... Get out of my head!

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

27 Oct 2006 at 12:19 - 11

Rewards are very important in RPG games which is what Guild Wars is.

Having no decent rewards is what makes RPG games be not fun.

Hero Battles would be 100 billion times more fun when they start giving Fame and/or emotes and/or Titles and/or gold and/or sellable rare materials.

Scourgey

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

27 Oct 2006 at 13:13 - 12

I played RA & TA a lot even though there were no rewards before Guild wars Factions was out....

azunder

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2005

27 Oct 2006 at 13:27 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navaros

Having no decent rewards is what makes RPG games be not fun.

Having no reward makes ANY game not fun.

But, doesn't victory count as a reward? If victory is worthless to you, then you're playing the wrong game. For example, before faction and titles were implemented, people still played RA. There were absolutely no rewards, but the feeling of success that people got from winning is what kept them playing.

What wouldn't be fun is when the game mechanics turn out to be shallow and predictable.

And, on a side note, I HATE the notion that RPGs are all about advancement and rewards. People seem to have forgotten the Role Playing portion of the genre.

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

27 Oct 2006 at 13:46 - 14

That seems better except i think it should be 40 like RA.

Marc0

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2006

Kings Army of Surmia

W/Mo

27 Oct 2006 at 13:48 - 15

If you want a reward, play PvE & get loot drops, the reward for PvP is being the WINNER! Beating an actual human team is a reward in itself.

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

27 Oct 2006 at 13:52 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc0

Beating an actual human team is a reward in itself.

That is an extremely crappy reward. Especially when one has done it tens of thousands of times already.

Maybe they should take away the Guild Ladder and Emotes and Titles too then, if beating an actual human team is a reward in itself.

But I think it would be better to instead increase rewards rather than taking them away or giving only half-baked, pointless rewards. Starting with Hero Battles.

Fred Kiwi

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

[cola]

27 Oct 2006 at 13:59 - 17

points are easy to get. you get a point for each period you hold a shrine. its quite a lot if you ask me

have you heard of a thing called fun?

Sid Soggybottom

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2006

27 Oct 2006 at 14:20 - 18

I am seriously tired of the "Give me rewards for playing a game" crowd. They dont care about actual gameplay, they only care about items and rewards or whatever they can get to feel "special" Play the game for the fun of just playing the game, for crying out loud.

c_ras

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Eternal Deliverance

R/

27 Oct 2006 at 14:27 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navaros

That is an extremely crappy reward. Especially when one has done it tens of thousands of times already.

If you want a reward, if you beat me, I'll give you a "GG". How rewarding is that? Just play the game and have fun and stop complaining. I am sure they will implement something soon.

logik

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

27 Oct 2006 at 14:48 - 20

obviously people who complain about this do not play PVP....and sorry to tell you, but hero battles are a form of PVP jsut like, RA, TA, and HA...

DreamWind

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2006

E/Mo

27 Oct 2006 at 14:49 - 21

I agree with the OP...the rewards seem really crap to me. You get more out of playing RA!! I'm sure Anet will make some kind of title for Hero battles, but if they really wanted to spice it up they'd make a hero battle ladder or something of that nature. =p

gabrial heart

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Las Vegas

Beautiful Peoples Club [LIPO]

Mo/Me

27 Oct 2006 at 14:52 - 22

Well, i think that you can hero to hero with guildies that can easly put thier heros in passive with no skills while you pommel them. I don't think that giving higher point rewards for hero v hero is going to be that useful. I think the hero v hero thing is going to be much more geared toward pve ppl that just like to play, then the harder core pvp competitions.

Darksun

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

USA

Karr's Castle

W/E

27 Oct 2006 at 15:51 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navaros

That is an extremely crappy reward. Especially when one has done it tens of thousands of times already.

Maybe they should take away the Guild Ladder and Emotes and Titles too then, if beating an actual human team is a reward in itself.

But I think it would be better to instead increase rewards rather than taking them away or giving only half-baked, pointless rewards. Starting with Hero Battles.

Pfff.. the rewards like Emotes & Titles are pointless. What do they do for you again? Oh yeah. Nothing. It's a game. It's supposed to be fun WHILE you play. Especially in this game, it's so easy to get all the stuff you need/want, what do you need uber haxx0r 1337 rewards for?

crimsonfilms

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

27 Oct 2006 at 15:59 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navaros

That is an extremely crappy reward. Especially when one has done it tens of thousands of times already.

Maybe they should take away the Guild Ladder and Emotes and Titles too then, if beating an actual human team is a reward in itself.

But I think it would be better to instead increase rewards rather than taking them away or giving only half-baked, pointless rewards. Starting with Hero Battles.

You are totally clueless about PvP 'reward'. You 'just don't get it'. I suggest staying with PvE because loot drops and meaningless title actually means very little to the PvP crowd unless it helps them PvP.

Yanman.be

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

[ROSE]

A/

27 Oct 2006 at 16:03 - 25

I'm happy with my Team Play title.

Darksun

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

USA

Karr's Castle

W/E

27 Oct 2006 at 16:19 - 26

I guess the PvP Titles & Emotes are vital to people who need to feel important, i dunno.

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

27 Oct 2006 at 16:22 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by logik

obviously people who complain about this do not play PVP....and sorry to tell you, but hero battles are a form of PVP jsut like, RA, TA, and HA...

On the contrary, I play a whole of lot of PVP and have mastered PVP for eons which is precisely why the "Faction reward" of winning Heros battles is pointless to me. Getting all the Faction I need to unlock stuff is easy as pie, hence there needs to be more rewards for the rewards to be worthwhile. Maybe for those who are not PVP veterans and mostly just play PVE then having Balt Faction from Hero Battles might be a reward worth getting "excited" over, but for others it's not.

Yes, Hero Battles is PVP like those modes you mentioned, therefore it should give rewards equal to or better than those modes you mentioned; namely, Fame, Emotes, Ladders, and Titles.

Rera

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

27 Oct 2006 at 16:34 - 28

@Navaros: you have to either be kidding or trolling. Your argument is completely incomprehensible otherwise.

Do you even understand the concept of a competitive game? Do you think that player vs. player Starcraft is "not fun" because it offers no reward? What about Street Fighter? Counterstrike?

The top GvG guilds don't care about the titles or emotes. The vast majority of serious PvP players don't even get faction rewards for any of the PvPing they do because they are all UAX already. What we get from high-end PvP is experience and skill, infinitely more valuable than any shiny emote.

martialis

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

RA, reporting you

27 Oct 2006 at 16:37 - 29

Navaros, this is your most intelligent post so far. Well done!

They won't give people fame for winning hero battles because that's silly. If you hate the idea this much, just don't participate.

Quote:

I ... have mastered PVP for eons

You're mistaken. Sorry.

logik

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

27 Oct 2006 at 17:39 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navaros

On the contrary, I play a whole of lot of PVP and have mastered PVP for eons which is precisely why the "Faction reward" of winning Heros battles is pointless to me. Getting all the Faction I need to unlock stuff is easy as pie, hence there needs to be more rewards for the rewards to be worthwhile. Maybe for those who are not PVP veterans and mostly just play PVE then having Balt Faction from Hero Battles might be a reward worth getting "excited" over, but for others it's not.

Yes, Hero Battles is PVP like those modes you mentioned, therefore it should give rewards equal to or better than those modes you mentioned; namely, Fame, Emotes, Ladders, and Titles.

i haven;t tried the hero battles yet, but we don't get Fame and ladders in TA and Ra which i would say a huge part of PVP. Titles and factions are the standard for all modes of PVP, so i would expect those for Hero battles.
Overall the faction now is a reward that benefits PVE jsut as well as PVP as it allows you to unlock skills for Heroes to use in PVE. As far as PVP goes... the bottom line is PVP is for fun the rewards are secondary and most of them were added way after the original release anyways.

nimloth32

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Celestial Order

W/Mo

27 Oct 2006 at 17:44 - 31

i would prefer if they give gold for reward..

Sid Soggybottom

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2006

27 Oct 2006 at 17:48 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navaros

On the contrary, I play a whole of lot of PVP and have mastered PVP for eons

Anyone who claims to have "mastered PVP for eons" cannot be taken seriously at all and should remain in the fantasy role playing world of PVE where he can role play being a master PVP'er.

DreamWind

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2006

E/Mo

27 Oct 2006 at 17:48 - 33

People who say PvP players play for no rewards are kidding themselves. HoH you gain fame sigils and gold items, GvG you gain ladder ranking. Both of those you gain massive amounts of faction as well. Those are rewards. Also the best teams in the world play for money at the championships which is yet another reward. Hero battles having so little to offer is the reason so many of these players while thinking the idea is cool overall, will not flock to it.

Sid Soggybottom

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2006

27 Oct 2006 at 17:54 - 34

That's crap. Plenty of people also play RA and TA and those have just as little rewards as Hero battles. And NOT everyone wins halls and still tons of PVP'ers play. Same goes for GvG. I shouldnt even have to say that not everyone makes to the top of the list of the ladder.

My guild for instance has never made the top 20. And yet we love playing GvG.

Tobias Funke

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Following of Xanthar

Me/N

27 Oct 2006 at 17:57 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rera

@Navaros: you have to either be kidding or trolling. Your argument is completely incomprehensible otherwise.

Do you even understand the concept of a competitive game? Do you think that player vs. player Starcraft is "not fun" because it offers no reward? What about Street Fighter? Counterstrike?

The top GvG guilds don't care about the titles or emotes. The vast majority of serious PvP players don't even get faction rewards for any of the PvPing they do because they are all UAX already. What we get from high-end PvP is experience and skill, infinitely more valuable than any shiny emote.

I willing to bet that Navaros has never played sports. What's your reward for beating someone in HORSE or raquetball? Nothing. And yet people still play. For competative types, winning never gets old, even if you've done it thousands of times.

supaet

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

27 Oct 2006 at 17:59 - 36

after you unlock all, wtf can you with factions?

UBS

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Earth

Mo/Me

27 Oct 2006 at 18:06 - 37

You play for rewards? LOL!
This game is about fun, fool.

Aejorii

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

SF, CA

W/

27 Oct 2006 at 18:06 - 38

Our undying gratitude?

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

27 Oct 2006 at 18:47 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tainek

i forget sarc is lost on the internet

The reward is PLAYING the game, as in, you know, enjoying it?

if gvg is pointless, why are so many guilds active in gvg?

I take it you've never been to Jade Quarry then?

The reward sucks, yet for some reason it was always full of people playing it... it was amazing how many districts it had.

Oh wait it actually had 3 poeple max in it, usually afk or there for exploration purposes.

akruan

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

Mo/Me

27 Oct 2006 at 19:59 - 40

I'm sure that the guy who created this thread didn't put any attention that when you win, you get 500 faction. THAT is a lot, I've gotten 20k faction since this morning in there. For players who never wanted to play HA, GvG or wait for groups in other types of PvP, getting 200-500 faction every 5-10 minutes is heaven in order to be able to unlock everything they want.