bye bye 15% ffs, hod axe

Aww. Still sore about paying far too much gold for those broken items? Get over it. It's funny how you call people whiners but every post you make is always about how your virtual stash got screwed over. And to Witchblade, it's called balance. Not catering to so called "whiners" You obviously dont play PVP.

And please. Hardcore my ass. Farming does not equate to being hardcore.

omg i just realised my 55hp hammer has been nerfed >.< was the only one existing (to my knowledge) too and i dont pvp either lol

edit upon checking: lol hax no nerfage for me



the hammer was useless anyway and never led to inbalances so i guess why not removed

Better sell that no neg hammer before ANet wave their Sundering Nerf Stick of Fortitude at it.

The new upadte makes it possible to turn the HOD bow into a +20 armor bow. Really makes me wish I kept mine. I sold it the day after the HOD nerf because I was thinking I could buy another.

lol so i guess it was a good thing you were too greedy to sell it to me! i never ended up buying one. even Cap wanted more than i was willing to pay.

Fact: most unconditional weapons...suck. the VAST majority are 13 or 14%, with blazingly high requirements, making them useless to builds requiring diversity in modifications.

Fact: most reside on dead accounts that are no longer played (especially the better ones, who were obtained by rich players, who then quit)

Fact: most that dont reside on dead accounts, were never sold by their owners, and so the people who would get hurt most, are not extremely wealthy players.

Fact: there are very, very, very few of them. and out of the (probably less than) 10 that are actually worth using, probably only 3-5 are cutsomized, and probably none of those are in the hands of pvpers.

Fact: the amount of "available" no-conditions decreases as time goes on. most people who own them, do not sell them or give them away when they quit the game, so they end up on un-played accounts. quite frankly, its only a matter of time before they phase themselves out. fiery flamespitters and rockmoulders, however, were fairly widespread.

Fact: the only difference between a no conditional and a regular weapon, is the lack fo a condition...not a tremendous advantage.
+5% faster universal recharge, however, is a considerably large difference in performance. essentially its +50% more powerful than intended, as was the +20% recharge fronted by pre-nerf rockmoulders.

Fact: both the 15% FFS and 20% rockmoulder, had a counter-item...a similar one, with "normal" statistics. so this poses another issue...
how would anet remod them?
change them all to 15.50?
whose to say the person who owns the item wants one with a 15.50 modification.
not to mention the fact that there is no "bugged" and "unbugged" version of no-conditions. as long as no-conds have existed, so have (most) of the other damage modifications.

most of your "facts" need data to back up , which I dont think you get access to it. You can't just call fact by assuming.

My idea of "nerf" unconditional weapons would be boost their req to 16 like some greens.

Nah Akh is right

A no neg is one of the few things I've never had in my possesion..I'd customize in a heart beat tho.

Cap, I can always count on you for a beautiful word.

The pain for owners of these items would have been a lot less if Anet had modded the ones in people's inventory at the same time they either removed the item or adjusted stats on new items. Letting people keep an item for a year after it's no longer avaliable, THEN nerfing people's inventories out of the blue, is what is pissing folks off.

Not to mention that doing so only adds more diarrhea to the toilet that is this game's "economy." In the months that a discontinued item is still out there for trade, its value goes up exponentially. Then when it gets nerfed, people feel cheated, hence so much of the anger we see in threads like this.

agreed,

i actually have a list of every known no negative item to my knowledge and the vast majority are on inactive accounts, the ones which are not are not that great and the better 15% ones are owned by non-pvpers. I only know of one which has been customized and is owned by a pvper but it has a really high req.

I complain when anyone gets screwed over, regardless if it involves me or not. You claim those items are unfair. Well how about the fairness factor in that some may have spent lots of hard earned plat to buy an item only to have it crapified by Anet due to people like you complaining.

I more than likely pvp a lot more than you do. The point of my hardcore comment is that the players who play a lot will still be better than the casuals regardless of the items involved.

NERF NERF NERF ! u have an item that Kevin-12-years-old-crying-atm cant get. ANet ll ban u for that

^^lol, a certain imbalance is needed to keep things interesting imo

lol. i would rather delete it than let anet remove it. i doubt they will tbh as the hammer has no good use to my knowledge.

So eh, where are these causal whining players to be found then? Not on GW Guru, here we only get the farming & GW addicts whining, I never see them in the game either.

In fact, I've never seen a casual player asking for a HOD axe or 15% FFS nor do I see them shout and whine for req 8 15^50 Chaos Axe's. That comes from so-called 'hardcore' players like you usually.

So, who is the whiner here? From the evidence we see on Guru its only people like you.

what makes a player a casual player? The amount of time he plays gw? The amount of gold he has? The amount of skill he has? How seriously he takes gw?

as I can only play gw a few hours a week. so does that make me a casual gamer? I dont obsess over skills or spend hours working on perfect builds. does that make me a casual gamer?

like I have said before wealth does not always equal grind.

the people complaining do not necessarily spend hours on end making gold and nothing else. i know some dont. they do have a right to complain when anet fail to remove items and let people trade them for one year plus then remove them. they should have removed them in the first place and not led people to believe their items were "safe".

Casual = people who whine they can't afford 15k so Anet should lower the price.

Moan FoW cost too much, how can they afford it if they can only play 5 hours a week..

Can't afford 15^50 items but refuse to put some time into farming.

Etc..

I lost my lovely +15armor HoD bow in this update

Abount unconditionals: I think that there are more of them in existance than people in this thread think. But yes, almost all of them are crap - I've seen this year a few nonmaxes or +13% maxes with bad reqs, but only 1 really impressive piece - a 15-22 req9 sword+15%

About nerfz: IMHO if they really want to nerf those extremelly valuable but unbalanced items they should make the items still very special, but Balanced stat-wise.
For example, while nerfing that 15%FFS to 10% change its skin to Dwarven Axe, making them the only dwarvens with that stats, thus still very unique and worth a million++

A 13% no neg customized would be ideal for Koss..

Won't happen I'm afraid..now put on your flame proof jacket because some people will hate that idea.

list of no neg items. those in bold are on active accounts. those not in bold are on inactive accounts. may be more i dont know of but i doubt many more.

Hammers
14% Warhammer (Magmas Arm Skin) Req 8 - Person doesnt pvp & not for sale
14% Warhammer
15% Shining Maul Req 10

Swords
13% Gladius Req 8 or 9
13% Longsword - Customized I think
15% Falchion (Possibly other skin)
13% Longsword Req 11
15% Forked Sword Req 8
15% Short Sword Req 8
15% Short Sword Req 10

Bows
13% Longbow Req 8,9 or 10 - Maybe on inactive account now
14% Halfmoon Req 8, 9 or 10 - Non max
13% Short Bow Req 8,9 or 10

Axes
14% Double Bladed Axe (Or other name but same skin) Req 12
15% Dwarven Axe Req 12 (Customized)
14% Serpent Axe req 8
15% Sephis Axe
14% Battlepick Req 9
12% Double Bladed Axe req 12
14/15% Cleaver (Customized)
15% Double Bladed Axe

i think i am missing one but cant remember what it is =(

Seriously, who exactly are these people you're all claiming to be whining about these items and therefore got them "nerfed?" Seems to me that it's the people who were holding these items who are complaining the most. So don't even try to pin the blame on the "casual" players. This was all done so no one would have those items in PVP for an unfair advantage.

Oh really? Well can I have it then, if you still have it? Hp bonus, Icy, low req, near perfect... Yup! Totally useless!

Edit: Well where do I fit in then? Ive never complained about the cost of anything(wanting something but not having the money, and no, the above is NOT a complaint). I dont buy items from people because of the (I feel it is) overpricing. As I said, if I happen across something I like, well and good, but Im not going to spend alot of time farming for items. Im happy collecting materials and selling those to the trader, or, if someones looking for what I have, I might offer it. Otherwise, Ill just plod along, not bothering with how fast I can get items or money.

I repeat my question, where are these people then and where can I revel in their whining?

Try substantiation if you want to be taken seriously, right now all the whining seems to come from those who want their precious 55 farm builds back cuz they're too lame to do work a bit harder.

In game/various posts..look around for your self.

You are just an average joe. Happily plodding along.

Hm, I didn't even know these things existed. But +55HP weapon and 15% faster recharge doesn't seem very unbalancing to me... after all, you're trading 5 energy for 25HP on the axe. It's not like that 40% longer enchants axe that existed for a few days.

I'm a PvP player and I wouldn't really care if anet left those items alone and if my opponent had them.

If you would lose 25.000$ in GWNF maybe you would.

Note: I am really aware how much a difference a 14^50 and 15^50 weapon makes in practise (none) and still - many would have a strange feeling if a team would lose a very very close tournament-match where you know the opponent had marginally better weapons.

Guildwars really doesn't need this shit.

I doubt unconditional weapons will get nerfed. Why? Because they're gold items. And as far as I know, ANet is not in the habit of buffing, nerfing, or otherwise changing gold/random items.

Nah, theres plenty more, an ex guildie of mine in DVDF had a 14%always ivory bow, think the req was pretty nice, was customised for his ranger.

weird... i know some casual (very casual) who got their FoW Sets ...
how they did that? well.. the secret technique that we commonly call TRADE
if u cant afford yer 15k set? try to do some savings in yer stash ...

What a brilliant idea. *claps and /signs*

^no

Herb, i thought there was a 14% ivory