[Petition] Halloween 2k6 Hats Collector

The Point is, that GW was made to be a game that you didn't have to grind for months/years on end to show ur one of the elite, yet by only allowing you to get these special headgear on a day when alot of people are busy, it shows that ur not of the elites, effectively giving some people the feeling of a 2nd rate citizenship by GW not allowing those too busy an oppourtunity to get the prized headgear

^^the thing is that showing a hat in a town (really no poin of wearing it outside town) doesnt show that youre elite, it only shows that you were there. grind? what grind? as you mentioned before it doest take more efforts then loging on and putting your toon in the green circle... its like a souvenir, you go to a wedding and the hosts give you their custom music CD. sure you can give it away but its just an example

if you wanted the had THAT badly you can ask a friend of family member on adiffrent computer to log on for you

so what point would be in the hat if not to show that you were there?

And as u've probably should have read before, not everyone can do that, some people have dial-up, can they do that when someone phones? NO! and my problem is that my internet shares the cable with my T.V, does my mother wanna wait a half hour when shes missing her t.v shows? NO!

then why not just impliment them in character creation process?....

/endsarcasm

seriously, get used to that you cant always get what you want! thats life. during the first event i was in pre-searing on my first toon, got out of there nov 2nd or something...was i disapointed? yes. was i tearing my hair out? no, its just a few pixels. as mentioned, its a souvenir from an event, not a vanity item. you missed it for whatever reason? it happens!

Well if its just a few pixels to you then why would you care if a collector is put in or not?

because its a souvenir from an event. if you werent there you shouldnt have that souvenir, thats what its for

-sigh- I'm just gonna quit this, theres no getting through elitists skulls so I'm sick of it.

Life? This is a game! People do get what they want in games, otherwise they stop buying them.

There's no good reason to deny anyone any novelty hat they want. All it does is give *them* more amusement - it shouldn't hurt you, and if it does, then you have a problem.

Huh, lets just dump the hats and free booze in all char's inventories.. it was a souvenir of the time and you had plenty of notice. I couldn't make the event but set the thing on afk 2 hours before the king came.. don't tell me that was out of the question.

Like they did, you mean - I was there! Several times. Got hats for all my characters, though only 1 for each. And 60-80 of each potion (some from collector farming, but most from the events).

I'm just not a mean-spirited little troll that wants to deny others.

/super signed

I really hope there is a collector or npc or something that will give out the hats. I have been trying to get all the event hats for all my characters, but this time I couldn't. I have 10 chars, and even with district hopping and staying up late for as much as I can, I only was able to get masks for 6 of my 10 chars. The fact that the mad king only arived 9 times, and every 3 hours made it worse.

And I know that because it was on a weekday, and on halloween day (when many people go trick-or-treating or bring their children/younger family members trick-or-treating for hours), there are going to be many people that missed the event, and will want at least one of each mask for one character.

I really don't see how this will be a negative thing in anyway to anyone. As far as I can see, it only will benifit people.

Very interesting idea! And it would even help with the limited storage situation.

It's very interesting to see the variety of responses to this proposal. I favor a collector for the hat -- exactly as Anet did for the Dragon Festival -- that appears for one week after the event. Either that, or the unlocking as mentioned by Jongo.

I don't understand the "special/elitism" argument -- I'm not saying we should be allowed to load up on all event masks ever made upon character creation -- a collector for one week would give more people an opportunity to be a part of things even if they couldn't be in-game on that one day, while still requiring them to "do" something and be there around the event. If there's a collector for one week after the event, you still have to participate, but you're not penalized for having a REAL life.

It's funny to see how people use the same argument ("it's just a game") to support two opposing viewpoints, but I understand it. Yes, this is just a game, and it's just a few pixels that covers your face and clips through hair/armor. But that's exactly the point -- it's a game -- it's not real life, it's for fun, and real life does on occasion have to come first. And sometimes it can't be helped. For example... the internet goes down, the power goes out, there's a death in the family, you get the flu, you get called into work, the motherboard fries, a family member is in a car accident/hospitalized, etc, etc.

I've been playing GW since May 2005. Last year I had a college project I had to work on. I didn't even know that hats would be passed out (as that was the first GW event), so I was doing my work instead of playing. I was in LA to see the decorations, but not on the day the Mad King came. So I've been waiting for a year to get a second chance, and this time I got it woot! But I don't think that others who could not be there shouldn't have at least a short opportunity to get the hat too. This isn't some exclusive club.

And then there's another issue. Back in the day, we only had a max of 4 characters to worry about. That worked pretty well if you could be present for the event, as one appearance per 3 hours over 24 hours is 9 appearances. Now we can have many, many more characters -- I think I have 9 or 10 characters right now. This can make it near impossible to get hats for all the characters you want. I realize that this is certainly not the end of the world, but it would've been nice to get the witch's hat for my ele (I restarted him Tuesday night as I had finally found a look somewhere between "emo boy" and "LoTR old") -- and I only missed one appearance besides the last one (cause I had passed out by then lol). Please save your "that's tough, life's not fair" argument. I know full well that life isn't fair. But this is a game, and who said it had to reflect life in all aspects?

My point is, with real life and so many potential characters, it only makes sense to provide a hat collector for a short time after the event so people can get the hats they want without having to for-go sleep and piss of their significant others (my girlfriend hates GW lol ).

The funny thing is, ANet got it right for the previous event -- the Dragon Festival. Hopefully they will adopt that practice for future events.

/signed

/not signed
To me event items are useless crap... they aren't even 60 defense so they are totally unusable. If you missed one bad luck. I have already deleted all of mine

lol imagine if the hat come with a Superior Vigor inside than peoples will be BEGGING to get one!

Even though i only got hats on two of my eight characters, I'm quiet happy with it. Also if there is a collector, we wouldn't get the same feeling as being in the actual event and waiting for the Mad King.

/Not signed
These items are special for that year and event,not just to be handed out willy nilly to anyone.
As someone already said...'Be there or be square.'

/not signed

This is a forum and I can disagree with you.

I was able to get one Wicked Hat and one Furious Pumpkin Crown on my main character. That's all I wanted. Not one on every character, just my main who has every hat that ever came out in Guild Wars.

Why?

Because he was there for all of them. You were not, so why should you get the hats? The Emperor taking your 250 Jade Orbs that you had to acquire by questing/drops or buying from other players - was "grind".

They are Special Holiday headgear. The term "Special" denotes something unique or out of the ordinary. Halloween came for one day in 2005, and one day in 2006. Therefore the hats are available for being there at any of the 7 appearances of Mad King Thorn. That is what makes them special.

I am not elitist, I got a second Wicked Hat that I would have given you but they are customized. But if you were not even playing Guild Wars in October of 2005 - do you feel that you should have a Pumpkin Crown? You might want one because you think they look "cool" or it's only pixel so who cares, but you know that you would not have "earned" it and it would be a hollow feeling if you wore your Pumpkin Crown when others have theirs on who were there for the event.

And it was an "Event". You don't get an Olympic Gold Medal because you wish you could have competed but you never made it to the Olympics. You get it because you were there and you did what was required to attain your goal.

Keep the event headgear unique and continue in this fashon anet!

/not signed

As someone said, it's an item to show that you were at an event. If you weren't there you shouldn't have it. I think less people would be opposed to say a collector that had other fun hats or something of the like. But as far as hats you get from events.. no.

I'd love to be able to get a Crystalline Sword, all the greens I want, a billion gold and ecto, unlock all titles, skills, items, etc. but this pesky "real life" thing gets in the way.

I accept that, and move on.

I don't expect an entire community or game to be changed because I was otherwise occupied. Life is about choice and sacrafices sometimes.

Yeah, I'm probably coming off a little overboard, but its a fact of life. Hell, I'd love to sleep eight hours a night, but between school and the military, it just doesn't happen.

The item, the entire basis, was a reward for showing up and (theoretically) participating in the event. Failing to do that fails the intention and thus the rewards. That's it. It's not a "hey, you were playing Guild Wars roughly around the time of <Holiday X> here ya go!"

We might WANT a lot of things (see the intro to my post), but that doesn't always mean we get it. Life has its hoops.

And for the record, the only mask/holiday item I have since the servers went live is a tengu mask.

IMHO that wasn't grind, but if you insist, then why not reduce the number to 10 or 25 -- would that still be grind? If so, should the holiday item vendors be removed because they encourage grind for bottles of alchohol and tonic? I've seen the argument that we don't deserve to have everything handed to us. I have no problem with having to make a little effort to get something -- be it show up for an event (if REAL life allows), or make up for it by collecting a few things.

I agree that having the hats says "I was there," and that that would be lost if anyone could get them at any point in time regardless to whether they were there for the event or not. I guess I just regard the event as the whole build-up in addition to the festivities -- the decorations and vendors appearing, people gathering in towns talking about possible quests or rewards, dance-offs, and what not -- not just the appearance itself.

I was playing GW in October 2005, I spent lots of time appreciating the decorations throughout Tyria, but on the one day that the Mad King came, I had REAL life things that I had to take care of. Do I think I should get a '05 pumpkin crown now? No... I'm not asking for ANet to turn back the clock and change the way a past event happened. But I think it's only accepting reality to consider that this is a game and sometimes it has to come second, and people shouldn't be punished for that being the truth.

/signed

People cant be on the game 24/7, and it was on Halloween, some people do go out and such too. As much as i would like to sit on the game 24/7, thats not how it works. Leaving my character on might get me set for one char, but not for all. You might not want a hat for every character, but im not you, so dont compare me with anyone else but me. What anet shouldve done is had the Mad King come everyday of the event, not just two. That's my two cents, agree or disagree.

This is the way i see it:

With the Jade orbs, you had a chance to collect all the orbs,and then theres a chance for you to see the emperor.

This requires a lot more effort. Do the quests, gather the materials, then show up at the designated time. What happens if you only have 230 orbs and the emperor showed up? You end up with 230 orbs you have no use for ( i still have leftover orbs).

The Dragon/Tengu event took a lot more time and timing to get.

With the Pumpkin/Hats, theres only one chance to see the Mad King. But thats all you need. Just show up.

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Theres just no justification to extend such an event. How can you hold Anet accountable for your choices and your circumstances? That just doesnt make sense to me.

Its not about "ELITENESS". How can a useless hat that takes up space in your storage be "elite" ?

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A Little Story:

I was in NYC a little while back for a special event at Nintendo World Store (rockafeller center). I had a chance to meet Shigeru Miyamoto himself and get his autograph.......If i had camped at the store overnight.

Now....i was NOT gonna camp overnight there just to get his autograph. I like Shigeru Miyamoto, and i think hes one of the most important men in the history of gaming, but..... >.< I had no one to camp with and i was ill prepared and equipped for it. I DID however show up the next morning very very early.

Regardless of my hours of waiting in line, I did not meet Mr. Miyamoto and I did not get an autograph.

It was my choice to not camp there overnight in line. Circumstances prevented me and I paid the price.

How can I demand to get his autograph, when its my fault that i didnt show up there? How can it be their fault? Why should they be obligated to indulge me?!!??!

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Another story:

I want a Nintendo Wii. I didnt preorder ANYWHERE. Work and various chores and housework has prevented me from getting to a video game store or even TRU. >.< Now preorders are gone. So im pretty screwed come release date.

I know this. I'm prepared for it, since i can wait.

Now....is it Gamestop/TRU/Best Buy's fault that i didnt show up to get a pre-order?

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I simply dont understand the logic of this thread.

/not signed,

i started playing GW about 3 months before the '05 halloween event, and it was my first venture into an online game like this, so i honestly had no idea that they even did special events. the week of halloween came around and i just didnt play for that week for whatever reason. well when i got back on a lot of people were running around with pumpkin heads. and i was shocked. i started asking people how they got them, and they told me that it was a special item for the halloween event. i didnt want to sound like a moron so i said "cool" and went about my business. sure i wanted a pumpkin head, and sure i kicked myself in the arse for not being there. but i accepted the fact that i wasnt there so i didnt get the pumpkin head. i just made a note to myself to try and make it to the next special event. so i kept my eyes open and i seen on the GW website they were having a wintersday event. so i tryed my hardest to make it there to get one of the hats. i ended up getting both, and i was happy for it, because i knew i had been somewhere when something special happend. Long story short, just try to show up and get the special item, if you dont get it then tough cookies, and better luck to you next time. *end rant*


NEW GW TITLE IDEA: The ranter- for every rank you achieve in this title, increase typing speed +1

/Not Signed

The above would be my answer, go afk for 3 hrs and you have one and if your friend really wanted one enough for to get you to start a petition I don't see why they didnt put more effort into getting one. He was there for 24hrs, mustve slept in that time, borrow 1hr of sleep ^^
I don't know how the bandwidth affects it where you are but for me guild wars uses about 3mb/hour when I'm playing

Edit: double post :/

/signed

Why do only kids who are online all the time get the hats, and people who actually have other stuff to do in the middle of the week don't?

The mad king only gave the hats every 3 hours, and only within a timespan of like 7 seconds. Also, there were 2 different hats so actually you needed to stay online at LEAST 3 hours (that is if you logged in the EXACT moment the hats were given)

First, not seeing the event sucks big time for people who are busy in the middle of a week, and second, they don't have the oppertunity of getting an item they'll never get in any other way.

There are some people who say 'the hats will be worth nothing then', but to me and most people out there, it's not about value. Ít's a cool mask you can wear in outposts, and it's just nice to have something like that in your inventory except the normal armor.

And then there's the kids who were trick-or-treating :P

i mean no disrespect in what i am about to say, but i just dont understand how you can say this. sure i may only be 19 years old, and some may classify me as a kid but i had to manage trigonometry and pre-calculus, technical physics, essay composition, and architectural engineering work and i still got both of the hats. i mean sure i sacrificed a few hours of sleep, but that was my decision and i got my hats because of it. if someone didnt want to lose sleep then obviously the hats werent that important to them in the first place. now i understand that some people may have had to go away on a business trip or whatnot but that is just one of the many things in life that keeps us from getting some artificial thing that makes us happy. that is how life is take it or leave it. /end rant

With all due respect, GW is a game, not real life. If we're going to apply real life rules, then there should be no spells/magic, account banning should be permanent, and there should be jails/bounties for people who break the "law." While we're at it, one death should end a character, and there should be no rezzing. But this isn't a social simulation, it's a fantasy RP/MMO game.

I just fail to see the resistance to allowing people who make the effort to be able to get the hat through the time of the event even if they were unable to be in-game during the 10 second intervals when the hats were handed out. To reiterate, I'm certainly not saying anyone should be able to get any hat whenever they please. I'm not saying we should give previous hats to everyone just in case. As I see it, this is for future events, to make them more accessible and enjoyable to the whole community.

All you had to do was stand in the circle and leave your PC on.

I did.

Look people were upset that they could not get the Santa hats as well on new years day. but the select few that had no life and played during new years well they got something for it. No harm in that. I congratulate them on getting it when they could... and now I know If I want one to not go doing something for new years and play the game instead. If It does not matter to me, well then I go and do what I want to do otherwise... I do not expect Anet to cater to my wanting to do OTHER things sometimes... Anet supports their players, and has good incentives to keep their players in game for holidays. Great. more power to them. But why should they reward the people NOT playing at the time of a give out? that makes no sense at all...

As much as i like to support the OP, i know its not gonna happen so its moot really.

I work as well and actually when on to take leave and worked out the timezones and afked, multiple double logs (got 4 hats in one session) to get Hats for all my 9 PvE toons.

It just feels sick having to come here and read the disregard for others, you got to make your own plans to get what you want these days.

But seriously, please think of those who do work or dont live in the US for that matter.

Who's saying everyone should be given the hats just for the heck of it to make them feel all warm and cozy? AFAIK, the general idea (and what I favor) is for something like what ANet actually did for the Dragon Festival -- i.e. make the hats available for a week around/after the event (appearances), so that people who were unable to attend could still be a part of it. What's wrong with this? It's not like signing up for GW today and being presented a santa hat when you enter the game -- it's taking into account that GW is a game and REAL life is real.

/notsigned

no kidding......a lot of people dont seem to understand that all you need to do is afk in the circle.......how much easier could they make this for you? I mean in the Dragon Festival you had to collect all those orbs, which generally meant doing several quests and maybe a little farming, then the afk part.....

Really, the fun in these events is participating. AFK if you must, but don't complain if you don't get catered to your exacting specification.

OK I have the Grand solution,

EVERYONE QUIT WORKING AND DROPOUT OF SCHOOL..

Thank you thank you .. you can send money or checks..

have a good night

And how come everyone that is /notsigning isn't even commenting on the people who have 10 characters (1 for each primary profesion), and did play (all day in fact), yet didn't get one of each hat for every character because the mad king only came 9 times.

He gave out 2 hats. There are 10 professions right now. Therefore, some people would need 20 hats, so, he should come at least 20 times. I really don't see what ArenaNet was thinking as far as this. Were they trying to make it imposible for the people who like to collect event things? Sure seems like it.

I can see where you guys are comming from as far as "If you weren't there, you don't get it", but I was there, and I still don't get it? And yes, they might have 0 Armor, but they are still a nice thing to have.

Just because I don't wear them when killing stuff doesn't mean I don't wear them at all. And just because I can wear the hat on one character doesn't mean that I'm not going to want to wear it on a different character.

I seriously think ArenaNet should put in a collector for at least one day, to make up for this. Or better yet, do what someone else said. As long as you attend the event with one character, then you do /holiday or /hat or something (on any character, even ones that didn't attend the event) and then you get the hat, similar to the preorder items.

I'm sure they could do it for the past events too. Just make it so that it checks to see if you have a event item in one of your character's inventory that is customized for that character. If it is, then you have that hat unlocked on your account for any of your characters from that day forward.

This will also help take care of the problem with inventory (that some players have). They don't need to keep the holiday hats in their inventory forever, but they can still have the hat.

Ya, this idea will take extra time and stuff to be implimented, but it will make the events that much better. And then we can even show that we were at the event, but with our new characters too!

/notsigned

Here's a novel idea:

Friend A doesn't have to work/go to school/whatever on Halloween. Friend B does. Friend B also trusts Friend A with his account. Friend B tells Friend A his e-mail/pass and Friend A gets him a hat. 3 hours later, Friend A gets his own hat. 2 days later, Friend B is not whining and moaning like a sissy on the guildwarsguru.com forum and everyone is happy.

While I agree that it sucks horribly not to be able to get everything that you want in life; but that is life. Life = a stream of disappointments with tiny bits of happiness sprinkled sparingly on it. Anybody mature enough to play this game without being banned for excessive Terms of Service violations should know this already.

Instead of moaning about it; make a compromise; and if you happen to be somebody with 8 character slots used up, with no friends, no girlfriend/boyfriend/wife/husband/"life partner", that works 16 hours a day; I guess you have something to whine about.

Oh my god...

Shut down your PC. Step outside. Go visit someone. Mow the lawns.

You don't "need" 20 hats that do nothing.

/notsigned

Right now its proof that you were at the event but if it was at a collector it would turn into just some hat.

I've been busy for every other event and missed all those items. Would I like them? Of course but I'm not going to make some petition to devalue the items for others.

Call me an elitist if you want, I may be but I just don't think items that have no effect on the game need to be handed out just because you couldn't be there.

All in all this is pretty silly. Why not just give all the CE bonuses to everyone while we are at it?

I'm sorry you missed the event but there will be others. Besides even if they did add this item so many people would get them that no one would wear them anymore and the point of this would be ruined.

Now I would /sign an extended halloween event or somthing but it seems too late for that now.

Hmm you know I think every single one of those /notsigned posts are right. You people who didn't partcipate in the event shouldn't get a hat. Damn straight we the people who sat through the dumb jokes, the stupid paper rock game, and the mad king says game deserve it. To hell with the rest of you lazy "I want it all" people get on line and be there are the event.

Here's another suggestion for next year, instead of giving hats out to anyone in the circle, why not only give out hats to people who participate. Seems like a fair deal, after all, So many people are saying that if you weren't at the event you don't deserve the hat, its to show you were at the event, not AFK at the event. Putting your character there and going out to do something else isn't being at the event its being somewhere else and leaving your computer on.

You kinda wonder how many more pissed off gamers there would be if ANet took that kind of advice and made it so only people who participated in the even could get a hat. I guess all the people who went AFK or went district jumping might be a little more inclined to say, "Yeah, maybe a little more leeway is whats needed for holidays." After all folks, aren't holidays meant to be happy and sharing the fun with everyone?

As for the quest collector idea, I see the problem with having to run around collecting a hundred fangs or orbs or something, but i'm talking about a single shot quest like delivering a bag of candy corn out to Granny's house to get your hat. Something short, in the spirit of the holiday, and something people can do in their spare time and at any level (Its suppose to be fun, not a challenge people. Go do green item hunting if you want a challenge).

I have something for each character... And am perfectly happy with it... by the time I'm due to make another character in open slots Normally they have another event within the time I play. so in the end you get something unique for each character if you have been playing from the beginning you got a little something for each character to show off... Like the witches hat.. face it on rangers they look like a pilgrim. lol so no I dumped it almost instantly. My necro was newer then my monk so I got he updated Pumpkin for him. Leaving my old pumpkin on my monk and angry pumpkin on my necro... A gave the witches hat to my female Mesmer. My Ranger kept his Tengu Mask. Looks best there anyway... I got a dragon mask for my Necro, and Assassin.

So lets look at this.
Pumpkin Mask
Santa Hat
Antlers Hat
Tengu Mask
Dragon Mask
Angry Pumpkin Mask
Witches Hat

That's 7 hats I know of... so if you had 1 each for every character you got Just with games... that's 9 times 7... which is impossible but lets pretend...
lets see.. that's what? 63 hats... Now where the hell you gonna put them all anyway? and that does not include all the holiday weapons from Christmas, and all the special items from events and quests and collectors...

So its not practical to have Every character get Every Holiday item. Make some choices and leave it at that...