Best secondary for warrior

Hi just read these posts and i agree energy will be a problem. But i started looking at all my skills and figured since he/she is going with STR Warrior's Endurance will give good energy management, flail for speed, and dolyak as an armor buff and you could have a good pve build just fill in blanks with the attack skills you like. Just a note this is simply an idea that can be built on.

U are indeed a bright man.

Wow that was confusing to read at 2 am but I think that's right. All the bonus damage from attack skills is armor ignoring, I think?
Thanks for the personal attacks. I have yet to see a real build here, anything more than "use energy leech" and "scythe ftw". Why don't you post a skill list since you're so experienced with it?
Dolayk sig
power strike
primal rage
health sig
res sig
endure pain/or any stance to ur prefrence such as bonetties. cuz aparently u got problem with energy usage... which is dumb since warriors consume so little.
strenght sig
wild blow

MAx scythe, max str, rest in tactics instead. i figure earth woulda been good. but who noes yet refer to the build below. tactics seem so much more appealing. there u go. revise it anyway u like. but i do quite fine with that. or u can just utlize all dervish skills with warrior endurance as ur elite. remeber folks energy is SUCH a problem.


u can try Mr parasite build. whihc i find quite intriguing



Strength- 10 + 3 + 1
Scythe Mastery-12
Earth Prayers-8

Warrior's Endurance [E]
Lion's Comfort
Counterattack
Chilling Victory
Victorious Sweep
Twin Moon Sweep
Staggering Force
Dust Cloak

Basically it's a huge health tank who uses Twin Moon Sweep and Victorious Sweep (as well as Weakness and Blindness caused by enchants) to tank while dishing out damage through Chilling Victory, Twin Moon Sweep, and the enchatments. Counterattack is great vs. melee and is free damage. Lion's Comfort is for emergency heals. Warrior's Endurance is PERFECT with Scythes just make sure you spam your enchants along with Twin Moon Sweep to make sure you don't hit the energy cap.

aparently this fellow living parasite is a veteran. hmmm

this whole build's energy management relies on hitting groups of enemies with a weapon that attacks slower than a hammer. while it can be argued that strength attacks have a low energy cost, that cost is pretty high when you've got one pip of regen and have ~30 max energy (if you decided to go with glads armor). someone decides to cripple and blind you and this build is completely screwed. the benefit of w/mo and w/n is condition removal. most of the counters to the warrior are conditions like cripple, blind, deep wound, etc. while this build looks good for inflicting damage, (im not even going to talk about pvp anymore), a good warrior's job is mostly to stay alive(tanking with dp puts a lot more stress on monks and youre far less effective with it). thats why most effective pve tank builds have more than just attack skills. and in pvp the zealous scythe combo is FAR less effective because unless you decide to try to take out an MM, you wont be hitting the mobs you need for your zealous energy regen. weapon switching would be required, but thats not time efficient, especially when you're better off as a warrior using a sword/axe/hammer and focusing on the strengths those provide for a warrior (pressure/spike/kd). IMO, the w/d is a good concept, but energy constraints will ultimately render the build you were trying to achieve ineffective as you would need to bring too many skills to manage your energy/suvive that could have been better used if you didnt have a w/d secondary.

ill finish off by saying something you can read over and over again on these forums-"the most damaging build is usually the least practical"
and i say unto u who goes pvp by oneself hmmm?? i told u for the last time coditions wont be a problem with a good pvp team.. and no, ppl strive for damaging builds due to the fact this char is a warrior. i wonder wat they're made for... and no zealous is not useless. if ur in primal rage u not only damage at a IAS rate but u get more armor penetration plus u get energy back at a constant rate for X amount of seconds. during that u can use powerstrike/wildblow. over and over again. im sure they're quite dead then. even tho ur skills are disabled for 10 secs. ur using a scythe not a low damage wep. oh yea. u also have a good pvp team. or at least i hope so.. thats y this game is indeed called GUILD wars.

Wow that was confusing to read at 2 am but I think that's right. All the bonus damage from attack skills is armor ignoring, I think?
Thanks for the personal attacks. I have yet to see a real build here, anything more than "use energy leech" and "scythe ftw". Why don't you post a skill list since you're so experienced with it?
and i apologize. i didnt mean any personal atks. it was immature. but instead of critizing and finding flaws in builds u havent tested yet y wont u try it urself. it wont take u more then a few minutes. go to pvp create char. equip urself with one of dem scythes and power strike a 60 armor dummy in nameless isle. tell me if it doesnt land more then a 100.

Well, Jesh, there was this silly notion that armor ignoring sets the AL to 60, and that AP kicking in would reduce it further. Not true, of course, and you've probably heard, but just wanted to mention.

Someone is abusing powers they don't have yet~

Okay, let's inject some intelligent into the discussion. Whereas both Lightning and Ogami, Jesh, and others(?) have made points, they haven't added anything to the actual discussion.

I assume that the thread is about the Dervish class being the best secondary, and not simply the "best" secondary. Notice that "best" does not really exist. More accurately, it would be "most suitable" for each situation. A theoretical best is would be "most suitable" in all reasonable situations.

In that case, no, W/D is not the best. Here are a few reasons: It cannot utilize Deepwound or Adrenaline/Melee spike as effective as either a Axe/Sword/Hammer warrior OR a Dervish, speaking, of course, of the pretty decent Reaper's Sweep + Mystic Sweep (3/4 activation) spike, or using Wearying Strike + Plague touch to spread deepwound for fun. Don't know what for, and haven't found a use, but it seemed important to note.

For that reason, the W/D is limited in its use. Especially in form of attacks, as there aren't really any good attack skills a W/D can use with the exception of Wild Blow, and, in my opinion, Bull's Strike, and Protector's Strike, both of which are triggering from moving targets. I forgot whether it was moving targets that trigger criticals, or if it's still "fleeing" unlike the Bull's Strike update a while back, but both these skills seem to syngergize well with a scythe.

As you can see, I'm not the most learned warrior there is. Still, from experiences as a D/W, I've learnt that running from a Dervish is a bad idea. A warrior with slightly less than half health will very likely be killed by the aforementioned combo (Reaper+Mystic), due to the high critical.

. This DPS can largely be avoided through kiting (or not kiting), and correct positioning. Mesmers in Zaishen Challenge were like flies, however, so it's all fine and dandy to me.

When using a scythe, I can only assume that is your goal is to maximize your Critical Chance, which can be done through Primal Rage. It's possible to use a A/D, but that's neither here nor there. With Primal Rage, you run into lots of complications. For one thing, it's stupid as an RA build, and it's dubious whether effecient monks exist in PvE, so the lack of healing causes concern. However, it does have decent armor (watch yourself was added in for fun). It is a rather oppotunistic build. I didn't actually run Prot's Strike, though it makes lots of theoretical sense. Wild Blow and Bull's Strike was good enough.

Strength does not add damage to normal attacks, so it's really just for the Primal Rage. It deals a hefty amount of damage...

... but less damage than a Dervish. It's simple numbers, really. Due to higher mastery, a Dervish deals more damage on average. Now added to this, you are capable of using a non stance IAS, namely Heart of Fury, which gives a nice 33% buff at little cost. Enchant stripping isn't an issue if you have multiple 5 recharging enchants.

Back on topic. With an IAS, your dervish does less damage than a dervish. Note that fleeing goes auto crit anyway, so Primal Rage, I found, wasn't really as good as it seemed, didn't add as much as I thought it would. A Dervish can use an avatar, buffing its armor to up to 115 (windwalker), or with Lyssa's, my favourite, which gives a crazy +50 damage, or Reaper+Mystic scythe combo.

For one thing, I am pretty sure a D/W and beat a W/D one on one quite easily, due to several reasons: +25 per hit, +10 regen, +33% IAS, +Cripple fleeing does +Choice Elite. Strength's activation, when it does, which it wouldn't very often, doesn't really do as much difference as you might like. The thing with a D/W are the constant restrictions, and you would know what it means if you've played one. It's not a big issue though. In fact, its restrictions are lesser to that of a W/D.

Now to compare a W/D to a W/any. Axe for example. Energy leech? You lose precious health leech and adrenaline by using a Zealous Scythe. Note also that scythe's slow attack speed means that you gain energy slower too. Without an IAS as a Zealous Hammer warrior would have, you simply don't gain that much energy too quickly. Scythes without IAS are really.. really slow. Of course, a dervish compensates that by having Mystic and Eremite's Sweep, but I guess that's a closed door for you.

An Axe swings much much faster. Triple + Cyclone combo are more effective in huge mobs, and deal more damage too. Scythes hitting 3 targets, for me, is more for flavor than actual use. In a touch situation, I don't see it coming into play that much.

Both ways, they deal more damage to single targets, and potentially become more effective in PvE as well.

So yes, it could work, I guess.

Vital Boon is a poor skill for a warrior in my opinion though, same with Twin Moon.
Strenght does indeed increase the damage output of ur regluar atks. Go to nameless isle and atk 60 armor dummy. have ur str at zero. keep atking it to give ur self an idea of how much it does. then raise it to twelve and continue. promise u there will be damage increase. Yes i noe, BEST does not exist i tried to change the thread as u can c. good secondary. but someone says that PVP is about HAVING GOD SKILLS AND JUST OWNING. saying innovative ideas are not at all tied with pvp. whihc i find quite stupid. 8 slots. thousands of skills. but u do indeed make good pts. but as i stated earlier i did not in fact claim this build will pwn everyone. but as u said "Speaking of critical, I've found, in the PvP weekend, in fact, that a W/D does do large amount of DPS" also "However, it does have decent armor (watch yourself was added in for fun). It is a rather oppotunistic build." that was the pt i was aiming for. its not about lvls of mastery as i noted b4 in my previous posts. once past rank 12 the percentage increase is so unoticbal its a waste. the only thing if anything will only benifit the damage of scythe skills. warriors have strength as a primary here as dervishes dont, and with this it leads to armor penetration. read the first sentece of this post and do it. ull c that i am right. sides there was a site that im trying to find to explain wat strenght does for a warrior. i noe for damn sure i am right. there are a variety of moves to inflict bleeding or wounding. its not just for swords and axes. im positve scythe skills will have one. rolling numbers again 9-41 is quite more apealing to 6-28. the speed of a scythe is 1.75 that is not at all slow. LOOKS slow but with ias its not a problem. speed for warriors were nvr the issue here and most ppl noe that. vital boon isnt all that bad its insta heal. wiht twin moon. but now that i think about it i rather use tactics and utlize all tactics skill to help out a w/d. anyways the way i c it is, theres no such thing as a GOd build. so wat u say or others wont affect me cuz ur build has the capabilites of dying too.

Why not just make a derv skills like conviction and armor of sanctity ect more then make up for the def diffrence. First running anything under then 16/15 weapon mastery is just plain stupid ect on a few builds like crip shot weapon mastery should be maxed. Next Str only applies to attack skills. With double your energy regen before mystism a derv can litarly spam attack skills which is where you get the armor ignoring damage bonus. Dervs have their own IAS and can use warrior ones if they want to.And lastly a Derv with Wild Blow>Warrior with Wildblow. Derv with Wild Blow>Warrior with Wildblow- and u have proof to substantiate this? lmao i bet u nvr tried. i have a lvl 20 dervish and the dps of a warrior excels way farther then wat a dervish does. KEY WORDS on wat u said-anything under then 16/15 weapon mastery is just plain stupid ect on a FEW BUILDS. this is not at all close to any of ur generic builds. and no, the energy consumption for dervishes are quite high i doubt the word spam is tied well with this. lvl 12 mysticim gives u back 4 energy for each enchantment that is gone, some enchantemts last 20 sec to 30. so wat u got like 20 enchanments on u now? and ur gonna keep canceling them with pios assalt?big boi? for wat just to recast the enchantments again and cancle its primary use for 4 energy? that most dervish skills take 10 energy to cast? ur long gone dead if u try to keep that up. dervish have no amor penetration thats y they rely on criticals. where as warriors get both and they rely on there strength moves. i dont think i have any use for most dervish skills for a primary warrior class.

First off, try this guy's build b4 u even bash it. This is why there are very little "new" builds. Because people just bash these new ideas and reinforce the old ones w/o even trying it. Sure, u can calculate and run the numbers. Running those numbers only gives u and idea of what will happen. In order to fully understand the concept/idea you need to try/experiment the idea yourself.

I like this build, so far. I just have to see it in real action.
U are my hero good sir. ^ ^ i too am tired of generic builds....