Anet Nerfing The Game Too Much!!
Rom
I have a complaint that has made parts of this game unenjoyable! The nerfing of drop rates on things like green items, etc. I know at least 10 people who have finished NF and none having gotten a green drop. To make it worse, most have not even gotten a random rune drop for the new professions. I think ANET needs to re-evaluate the way they intend to deal with farmers. I don't think it is the right approach to a perceived problem by nerfing something so bad that a standard player can't even get a single drop within the play of the entire game. Whats the reason for a player to continue to play a game thru if there is little reward in doing so. GG ANET!! Thx for taking the fun out of pve. Good way to eliminate replayability.
garethporlest18
I think it has to do with luck. I got two green recently after getting none through the whole game. Could be that henchies mess it up as well, as I was playing with one other person each time.
Dutch Masterr
i got 2 greens (one in marga coast, other by chantry of secrets) and was with a full party of henches. they did make the ai smarter, and attack more like people in pvp-i.e. charging monks, but it gets to be a pain in the ass--anyway, 55 monks were due for a nerf, and SS in my opinions was a bit overpowered anyway..but some of the nerfs were dumb, ESPECIALLY mesemer nerfs like distortion...
crimsonfilms
The Distortion nerf was a long time coming. You just needed 3 on Illusion (or even none on certain builds) and you can negate hundred points worth of damage.
Tommy
I have beated faction 8 times, and i have never got a single green from any bosses i killed on my way
... i did get some from farming, i farm like 8 hours a day i can get maybe 3 to 5 greens. man you have put your work into it, whinning is not gonna help you, if you have the time whinning in forum i suggest you to farm a little bit more.
... i did get some from farming, i farm like 8 hours a day i can get maybe 3 to 5 greens. man you have put your work into it, whinning is not gonna help you, if you have the time whinning in forum i suggest you to farm a little bit more.
Erudition
I beat a boss in NF yesterday in the cliffs.. got a green item, today I killed him again and I get the green item AGAIN!!. Twice I've killed the boss, twice a green.. usually I suck at luck though...
Rusty Deth
i haven't noticed any difference in drops...
I get my ussual gold here, few purples, and even greens in Factions with all henchies. In one day I got 2 greens in Factions. ( no it wasn't the 3x weekend )
The week Nightfall came out I got 2 black dyes and a white.
However I get the worse luck in Tombs. Never got an Ecto, or any of the good greens the many times I did it.
I dunno, but I've noticed since I got my Lucky title the last time 9 rings was playing I been getting sweet drops since then.
I get my ussual gold here, few purples, and even greens in Factions with all henchies. In one day I got 2 greens in Factions. ( no it wasn't the 3x weekend )
The week Nightfall came out I got 2 black dyes and a white.
However I get the worse luck in Tombs. Never got an Ecto, or any of the good greens the many times I did it.
I dunno, but I've noticed since I got my Lucky title the last time 9 rings was playing I been getting sweet drops since then.
Dahl
You have to understand, ANet doesn't support farming. Farming as a whole is almost as bad as running people to droks. They don't want you to camp in 1 area and continuously kill the same thing over and over, they want you to PLAY the game.
Besides, greens are ugly, cheap and newbish. They are not a good way to make money at all, nor are they status symbols. They're nothing to show off. If I see people wielding greens I just chuckle to myself at them for taking the easy way out.
Besides, greens are ugly, cheap and newbish. They are not a good way to make money at all, nor are they status symbols. They're nothing to show off. If I see people wielding greens I just chuckle to myself at them for taking the easy way out.
Velath
^^ So does it take a crystalline or brute to make you quit laughing?!
Right now I've been trying to outfit my heroes on my main char with greens, they're great for that.
I've killed Chor three time's and gotten his axe twice in NF, lucky sure... more likely it's cause I was solo.
But in parties with guildies, heroes or henchies I think it's pretty much the same as it has always been in the other campaigns. Can't say I went through factions with 8 chars (did with 3 and almost 4th) but I never got a green from a mission, or see many drop and those are almost always PUGs.
Right now I've been trying to outfit my heroes on my main char with greens, they're great for that.
I've killed Chor three time's and gotten his axe twice in NF, lucky sure... more likely it's cause I was solo.
But in parties with guildies, heroes or henchies I think it's pretty much the same as it has always been in the other campaigns. Can't say I went through factions with 8 chars (did with 3 and almost 4th) but I never got a green from a mission, or see many drop and those are almost always PUGs.
Sofonisba
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Originally Posted by Dahl
Besides, greens are ugly, cheap and newbish. They are not a good way to make money at all, nor are they status symbols. They're nothing to show off. If I see people wielding greens I just chuckle to myself at them for taking the easy way out.
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Are you serious? Wow, sometimes I am shocked at the arrogance of people... though why should I be... You chuckle at people for having greens? I get annoyed when people spam what they're wielding, and I'm usually not impressed no matter what it is... but I would never believe I'm a superior player because I'm NOT wielding a green.
SELF-EDITED to remove flame... sorry.
mrcake
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Originally Posted by Dahl
If I see people wielding greens I just chuckle to myself at them for taking the easy way out.
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I Didnt have 1 green drop the whole way through nightfall and only had 1 gold staff drop aswell, didnt even have 1 single dye drop either.
Finished factions 3 times and never had a green drop during normal mission play.
Lorinda
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Originally Posted by Dahl
You have to understand, ANet doesn't support farming. Farming as a whole is almost as bad as running people to droks. They don't want you to camp in 1 area and continuously kill the same thing over and over, they want you to PLAY the game.
Besides, greens are ugly, cheap and newbish. They are not a good way to make money at all, nor are they status symbols. They're nothing to show off. If I see people wielding greens I just chuckle to myself at them for taking the easy way out. |
And PvE is soooooo boring now with all these heroes. All the people play for themselfs. Its a MMORPG not a single player game....
Greens are for new people, but some other players also use them because they are cheap and easy to get.
Tobias Funke
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Originally Posted by Dahl
You have to understand, ANet doesn't support farming. Farming as a whole is almost as bad as running people to droks. They don't want you to camp in 1 area and continuously kill the same thing over and over, they want you to PLAY the game.
Besides, greens are ugly, cheap and newbish. They are not a good way to make money at all, nor are they status symbols. They're nothing to show off. If I see people wielding greens I just chuckle to myself at them for taking the easy way out. |
Tommy
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Originally Posted by Dahl
You have to understand, ANet doesn't support farming. Farming as a whole is almost as bad as running people to droks. They don't want you to camp in 1 area and continuously kill the same thing over and over, they want you to PLAY the game.
Besides, greens are ugly, cheap and newbish. They are not a good way to make money at all, nor are they status symbols. They're nothing to show off. If I see people wielding greens I just chuckle to myself at them for taking the easy way out. |
a dead warrior with a req8 15^50 crytalline is no different than a warrior with a sskai sword imao.
Qual
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Originally Posted by Dahl
You have to understand, ANet doesn't support farming. Farming as a whole is almost as bad as running people to droks. They don't want you to camp in 1 area and continuously kill the same thing over and over, they want you to PLAY the game.
Besides, greens are ugly, cheap and newbish. They are not a good way to make money at all, nor are they status symbols. They're nothing to show off. If I see people wielding greens I just chuckle to myself at them for taking the easy way out. |
--And to the top post, I got the storm bringer(NF green) The second time I left kamadan. And my paragon is only finding paragon and dervish runes - almost. Your friends are just some unlucky bitches
Rom
The point was the nerfing, not how much you farm tommy. I dont care if you wanna farm all day. I play PvP and am not interested in grinding the same map all day to get a drop or two after 8 hours. The point was the nerfing of drop rates to hinder people from farming is not the right approach. I have played this game nearly two years and have noticed a huge change from prophecies until now in what drops. The methods of nerfing are the issue I brought up.
VGJustice
I think I'm going to break standard here and not reference Dahl (oh dang, I failed)
I'd say that in the first 2 hours or so of playing Nightfall I had 2 different Inscriptions drop, a Superiour Paragon Rune, and a Firey Gladius. If you just tore through the game then that might be why you didn't find anything.
I'd say that in the first 2 hours or so of playing Nightfall I had 2 different Inscriptions drop, a Superiour Paragon Rune, and a Firey Gladius. If you just tore through the game then that might be why you didn't find anything.
Tommy
to Rom, i found 3 gold items when i am killing the bugs for sunspear points. so maybe just your luck aint that good? but yeah i like farming, i am pve farmer and farming is what i do> like you like pvp and i like farming. i have been farmign for 16 months now, i got countless number of gold and green perfect items from farming. If you really hate farming i suggest you to stick with pvp or get a collector item. since you are pvper i assume that you dont care about skin.
> like you like pvp and i like farming. i have been farmign for 16 months now, i got countless number of gold and green perfect items from farming. If you really hate farming i suggest you to stick with pvp or get a collector item. since you are pvper i assume that you dont care about skin.
SilintNinjya
ive never had a green drop and i have all 3 chapters.
Rom
Actually I love the skins on some greens. Green drops are about the only enjoyable thing other than the Sephis axes and other goodies in some maps. I actually killed nearly all the bosses in NF and that is what got me iritated.
Anarkii
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Originally Posted by Dahl
You have to understand, ANet doesn't support farming. Farming as a whole is almost as bad as running people to droks. They don't want you to camp in 1 area and continuously kill the same thing over and over, they want you to PLAY the game.
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Anet forces you to farm in order to proceed
(b) Triple Green Drop Weekend.
Encouraging people to farm bosses, in a pretty obvious way.
Farming has been, and will be as central to PvE in mmos as questing and exploring. Otherwise the content simply dies down once you're done with 'playing the game'.
Clord
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Originally Posted by Anarkii
(a) For a non-elonian character, you are forced to farm sunspear points in order to proceed in the game. Even if you do all the quests available till then, and have the blessing/bounty for the mobs you kill along the way, you'll be short on points for Sunspear General.
Anet forces you to farm in order to proceed (b) Triple Green Drop Weekend. Encouraging people to farm bosses, in a pretty obvious way. Farming has been, and will be as central to PvE in mmos as questing and exploring. Otherwise the content simply dies down once you're done with 'playing the game'. |
gabrial heart
Yeah, if you don't rush through the main quest line, there is actually more then enough for general. Although, if you bring a character over, then you would likely fall a bit short.
A-net has seemed to always say that they WANT the average player to be able to "farm". What they don't want however is, people creating "bots" to farm gold greens and assorted other goodies in which to sell on e-bay or other sources for real world money.
A-net has seemed to always say that they WANT the average player to be able to "farm". What they don't want however is, people creating "bots" to farm gold greens and assorted other goodies in which to sell on e-bay or other sources for real world money.
The Prince
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Originally Posted by gabrial heart
Yeah, if you don't rush through the main quest line, there is actually more then enough for general. Although, if you bring a character over, then you would likely fall a bit short.
A-net has seemed to always say that they WANT the average player to be able to "farm". What they don't want however is, people creating "bots" to farm gold greens and assorted other goodies in which to sell on e-bay or other sources for real world money. |
Sidra
in general, the smaller the farming group, the more likely it is that bots are farming. WoW gold farmers go out in groups of 2, usually one person maintaining 2 bots on 2 diff PC's somewhere out in central china. in GW, you can solo farm. I haven't heard people moaning about ranger nerfs or anything in a while. The reason? Simple. Ranger solo-farming is (supposedly, from what i've read. don't quote me on this) incredibally hard and has a high learning curve. Writing a bot for it would be a waste of time, and would probably be very, very buggy. 55'ing is a set form, just a thing you do over, and over, and over, w/o any change, no matter what the spawn rate or creature. The more complicated and bigger the build/group, the less likely ANet is to nerf farming groups. The UW and FOW were probably meant as big-group things. People go FoW w/ larger groups than UW, but the UW? 2 man? seriously? no.
and, to the guy who said "heroes change it from an mmorpg to whatever lololol". Wrong. You can play with whoever you want, and usually 8-groups have multiple people in them because you can only bring 3 heroes, lol. I've made 3 or 4 friends after 4 days of play, just through missions and stuff. It's a lot more fun and less stressfull when you only have to collaborate with 2-4 people instead of 1-8 pug noobs. I love it. Not to say that I don't love big groups w/ fun people in them though. they rock too.
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and, to the guy who said "heroes change it from an mmorpg to whatever lololol". Wrong. You can play with whoever you want, and usually 8-groups have multiple people in them because you can only bring 3 heroes, lol. I've made 3 or 4 friends after 4 days of play, just through missions and stuff. It's a lot more fun and less stressfull when you only have to collaborate with 2-4 people instead of 1-8 pug noobs. I love it. Not to say that I don't love big groups w/ fun people in them though. they rock too.
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gabrial heart
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Originally Posted by The Prince
if they wanted the average player to be able to farm, then why nerf some of the most "average" farming builds. While the 55 works still(although diminished), the 600 is pretty much dead ( i thought the 600 wasnt a build that a bot could work for). the 600 was good because it was low cost (you dont neccessarily need superior runes for it, and totem axe and wenslauss favor cost me about 15k total). it seems the new nerfs will force people who want high level items to go to ebay rather than deal with the diminshed farming that will take a long time to be profitable at.
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Farming is one of those extremely variable terms. Not once did i feel like i was farming sunspear points or greenies. I like to play the game a little more like the way it was intended, i think, then a lot of people crying foul over solo builds being nerfed. I also think if you add enough REASONS to do something, then farming becomes a secondary thing. I've gotten about 5 (max) greens and one very rare hammer type, just "playing" the game so far.
Prospero
I don't think ANet's position on farming is black and white. It's more of a mixed bag. I think what ANet dispises is people raking in cash from drops 4 and 5 times faster than your average player. When the amount of gold going into the economy is greater than the gold absorbed through gold-sinks, it makes prices go up.
At this point in the game ANet has people who have been saving since beta and new players. They want to make sure the game is fun and accessable for everyone. So, in some ways farming helps the economy and in some ways it hurts (more greens = lower prices = good; more cash = higher prices = bad). If everyone can just go get a 55 and have 100k in a week, it ups the bar for new players who now have to do the same thing to keep up.
At this point in the game ANet has people who have been saving since beta and new players. They want to make sure the game is fun and accessable for everyone. So, in some ways farming helps the economy and in some ways it hurts (more greens = lower prices = good; more cash = higher prices = bad). If everyone can just go get a 55 and have 100k in a week, it ups the bar for new players who now have to do the same thing to keep up.
reetkever
Well first A-net kills solo-playing, and then A-net kills normal monster killing UNLESS you have an uber-elite team with people with perfect builds and stats who know EXACTLY what to do, or else monsters kill you. Yep it's very funny to search for a perfect party for 2 hours, and after that fail miserably in the actual mission/quest.
Also, the fun of exploring is away, since 1 wrong aggro kills you. The monsters are too strong now, it's just crazy. Only the super-elite people can survive and say 'ohh cool a nice challenge', but all the new players and players who aren't good at the game (like me) are getting totally wrecked now.
GG A-net, elitism ftw *sarcastic*
Also, the fun of exploring is away, since 1 wrong aggro kills you. The monsters are too strong now, it's just crazy. Only the super-elite people can survive and say 'ohh cool a nice challenge', but all the new players and players who aren't good at the game (like me) are getting totally wrecked now.
GG A-net, elitism ftw *sarcastic*
winkgood
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Originally Posted by Sofonisba
You chuckle at people for having greens? I get annoyed when people spam what they're wielding, and I'm usually not impressed no matter what it is... but I would never believe I'm a superior player because I'm NOT wielding a green.
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My personal preference is golds if I can afford them. They are a lot more flexible than greens. I have a rather large collection of greens though. I'm definitely not rich enough to avoid using collector/green stuff altogether.
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Originally Posted by sidra
I haven't heard people moaning about ranger nerfs or anything in a while. The reason? Simple. Ranger solo-farming is (supposedly, from what i've read. don't quote me on this) incredibally hard and has a high learning curve.
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allience
i've finished nightfall with my monk and gotten 1 gold armor (was a sup leadership). that's it. no greens, no other golds dropped, nothing
drekmonger
I'm nearing the end of Nightfall. I've gotten six gold drops and two green drops and about a bazillion runes including a sup vigor (!!!) so far, without any intentional farming. Just luck of the draw maybe.
Gorebrex
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Originally Posted by reetkever
Well first A-net kills solo-playing, and then A-net kills normal monster killing UNLESS you have an uber-elite team with people with perfect builds and stats who know EXACTLY what to do, or else monsters kill you. Yep it's very funny to search for a perfect party for 2 hours, and after that fail miserably in the actual mission/quest.
Also, the fun of exploring is away, since 1 wrong aggro kills you. The monsters are too strong now, it's just crazy. Only the super-elite people can survive and say 'ohh cool a nice challenge', but all the new players and players who aren't good at the game (like me) are getting totally wrecked now. GG A-net, elitism ftw *sarcastic* |
Chief
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Originally Posted by Dahl
You have to understand, ANet doesn't support farming.
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The problem is the bots and those who sell in-game items for real-world currency. (as it has been since release of GW)
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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
"we have no problem with honest farmers!"
"But those who farm for item sales, for real world cash, aren't part of the fair game picture." "And those who bot are going to be seriously problematic to the normal players" "They cause inflation and inflation drives up prices and means that no on can buy anything." "Ebaying of gold is a problem, yes!" "And the Results in account termination." |
Age
I don't think Anet is agianst the 55 or 605 build although it doesn't work as good as it use to.It is like this if they were agianst it they would of removed everything to make these builds good.It is sort of like running it was easy at 1 point and then got a slight difficult anyway I don't think they are agianst it it could be just the bots if they are it would be nice to have some farming zones dedicated just for that and not eccesible by botters.
I don't see nothing wrong with certian greens.It would be nice to get an explaination on all of this if they are willing.There is no way you can make PvE axactly like PvP as they are different we are fighting mobs here not an 8 man team.What is this suppose to do really as PvE will be just a joke like PvP is except GvG and these Heros we didn't need them all we asked for were better henchmen and controls.The Henchmen seem to fine now we really didn't need these heros as it is ruining the economy already as to all the minor runes going bust.I don't ever believe we will get an auction house anyway PvE ftl for now.
I don't see nothing wrong with certian greens.It would be nice to get an explaination on all of this if they are willing.There is no way you can make PvE axactly like PvP as they are different we are fighting mobs here not an 8 man team.What is this suppose to do really as PvE will be just a joke like PvP is except GvG and these Heros we didn't need them all we asked for were better henchmen and controls.The Henchmen seem to fine now we really didn't need these heros as it is ruining the economy already as to all the minor runes going bust.I don't ever believe we will get an auction house anyway PvE ftl for now.
Hand of Shiva
So they have no problems with farming just botters, so they picked up the nerf bat, padded it up to 30 times the useful size and took a mighty Babe Ruth swing at the problem and knocked over everything in the process to take out the botters. The problem is, is that people who bot for cash are the kind that find the quickest way back and actually gain the most from the nerfs. Hmm takes 5 hours to make 50k takes 5 minutes to buy 500k.... let me think about what the lazy player is going to choose. Swinging the nerf bat is not the solution to bot farmers and is as effective as setting a nuke to get rid of a roach problem. Not to mention the nerfs aren't just hurting farmers, whens the last time you saw a Smite monk in an actual party? (for most of us we're scratching our head and thinking way back before factions.)
As for farming in an MMO thats like the staple of MMOs. Sure there are PvP raids, and battles and pretty pictures of scantiliy clad toons. There are holiday events and what not but in the end after the story is done after you've got your butt kicked in the arena for the 50th time what have you left to do for excitement? Farmings not exciting, its dull and boring and crappy, but damned if that max damage 15^50% 20/20 sundering +30 health Req 7 Gold Fellblade didn't just put a gaint zip in your step! And thats the thing with MMOs, even the old ones like EQ and UO and all the others, even with the modern ones. You can quest till the cows come home but the things that get players really excited are the items that drop. Killing Shiro for the 10th time and wondering why some moron didn't press skip through the cinematic isn't fun, finding that rare axe you been hunting after for weeks, thats exciting. So I really don't see what all the fuss about farming being bad comes from. 1 mand 2 man 8 man, its all about getting something to drop plain and simple.
As a side note, if i have to fund my Heroes armor and weapons they better start forking over some of those drops their stealing from me, damned leechers! I'm reporting you Koss!!! j/k
As for farming in an MMO thats like the staple of MMOs. Sure there are PvP raids, and battles and pretty pictures of scantiliy clad toons. There are holiday events and what not but in the end after the story is done after you've got your butt kicked in the arena for the 50th time what have you left to do for excitement? Farmings not exciting, its dull and boring and crappy, but damned if that max damage 15^50% 20/20 sundering +30 health Req 7 Gold Fellblade didn't just put a gaint zip in your step! And thats the thing with MMOs, even the old ones like EQ and UO and all the others, even with the modern ones. You can quest till the cows come home but the things that get players really excited are the items that drop. Killing Shiro for the 10th time and wondering why some moron didn't press skip through the cinematic isn't fun, finding that rare axe you been hunting after for weeks, thats exciting. So I really don't see what all the fuss about farming being bad comes from. 1 mand 2 man 8 man, its all about getting something to drop plain and simple.
As a side note, if i have to fund my Heroes armor and weapons they better start forking over some of those drops their stealing from me, damned leechers! I'm reporting you Koss!!! j/k
God Apprentice
You have to realise..change is inevitable. Anyone remember when Black dye costs 47k? Boy imagine if that didn't change. See my point?
Metsa Pille
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Actually, I find that people wielding greens are much more likely to spam "I'm wielding a..." than others. I can't count the number of pugs I've been in that I've seen someone spam "I'm wielding a Dragos Flatbow". I think that they are stuck with the illusion that greens somehow make them good players.
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Now for a little spam incident also. It happened yesterday at Team Arena.
In the beginning of the battle, an Ele was spamming his equipment. Then he was spamming who he targets and in the end he spammed some Rodgort thing so that i had to scroll up for quite a bit to see any actual text...oh, and then he said "noobs" and left. I love those people.
Oh, and on-topic also: i don't have Prophecies yet so i simply don't care
Gorebrex
Item prices like that are player-driven however, and arent changed by ANet nearly as often as the AI and skills(Im not aware of any ANet-created price changes, in fact).
Deleet
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Whine, and your facts are even incorrect.
By the time you complete the game, you'll have gotten like 5+ runes to the new professions.
You're totally wrong about the "green issue", since greens are meant to be special items, and not items for the general casual player, that is what collectors items are for.
Whine, and your facts are even incorrect.
By the time you complete the game, you'll have gotten like 5+ runes to the new professions.
You're totally wrong about the "green issue", since greens are meant to be special items, and not items for the general casual player, that is what collectors items are for.
Esprit
Green items are not supposed to drop like candy. They probably drop as often as gold items do, except you know where they drop and you can concentrate your efforts into that one spot rather than an entire area.