Insignia Prices Must Be Frozen

I'm a little confused as to how pricing works - I get that demand has an effect, but in the first couple of days all new runes/insignias sold out instantly, yet there was barely a jump in price (ones at 260g went to 270g after a day or two). Some are higher now, of course, but it's taken time. Yet when white dye appeared, it seemed to be near instantly over 50K. What gives? Are some items weighted to increase faster? Or maybe the trader system works on what's *really* rare and what simply hasn't been found yet?

That these insignias haven't reached superior vigour prices yet, suggests to me, that they never will.

I know they won't because I look at Superior Vigors and see them hovering at 30k despite always being in stock. I look at black dye and see them hovering around 10k despite always being in stock. It's the way the broken pseudo-economy of GW works. I guarantee you that the high demand insignia will never drop to 500 gold.

And as I said before, that is not the point anyway. In order to achieve parity and fairness with previous chapters, the Insignia must not be a variable commodity. They need to be frozen at 500g each.

Perhaps not. Anet shoved a TON of these insignias on the traders just to make them available to people and the price on Radiants has already trippled. This shows that demand is greater then the people selling them to the merchant.

These should have a fixed price to be equil to earlier chapter armor aka 500g as stated by the OP or there should have just been a merchant for these.

Correct!

Youre acting asif you HAVE to have radiant armor,you dont HAVE to have it,you WANT to have it, as much as people would tell you otherwise you can get by just fine without radiant armor, sure,itl be harder,but you can.

I dont see a problem in waiting until prices drop or try to get sompthing diffrent for youre armor,or even nothing at all!

Dont worry, be happy!

This thread and all the others basicly go the same way

The factions system was perfect, and people defending the insignia system basicly say, "its not that bad, wait and see", No its not that bad BUT IT ISNT AS GOOD.

They're intended to be lowered for compensation, but the truth is that is not how it is working right now. Armor in Nightfall can cost 4x more than its counterparts in Factions and Prophecies because of the insignias. Fine for people that already have their armor and/or can afford to waste the money, but for new players? Not even close to fair for them. Sure, it will go down. The game is still new and yes I do understand how economics work. Just still ridiculous that to even match other campaigns' armor Elonians have to spend an extra few plat because the system needs time to work itself out. This isn't about looks, this is about functionality.

Oh? and where in Cantha / Tyria can I craft some "Radient" style armor for my Dervish?

This whole system is flawed. Either we have the spots saved for armor, or the spots sved for insignias. Unless we get a storage for insignias, the whole idea doesn't work. Not saying it's your idea, and I agree with you in that, that was the point of doing it.
Also, why would anyone buy a 1.5k piece of armor, equip it with X insignia that costs them 3k (two inventory spots when you save the swapable one) when they can go buy another 1.5k piece of armor with that stat on it (two inventory slots)? Makes no since.

The insignias need a merchant that can sell 100% of them and they need to be an always in stock item with a set price of nothing more than 500 gold. Otherwise the armor just costs more and the whole system fails for NF armor.

While I agree that insignias should have been more available and accessible, you people saying that the new inscription system sucks are pretty damn thick in the skull. The new system is far far more flexible than the old one. It's much better. The only problem is that EVERYONE at this points needs/wants inscriptions. Give it some time for crying out loud.

Using such arguments are plain stupid. By the same token you WANT to play Guild Wars, nobody (apart from Chinese farmers) NEEDS to play Guild Wars. Your point again?

As its been said before this is a flawed system. The Tyrian armor system was better then this. And Canthas system was perfect, it was what we all were looking for. Any armor skin with any stats. Now we have nightfalls system which takes the inherent mods that we have all been accustomed to buying complete with our armor and makes us purchase them on the side. I don't know why they changed it, possibly to get more use out of the new salvage options or whatever else there is out there it was obviously not a good idea. The problem for me is that the insignias I want are not in stock, other peoples peev is with their price. Now money is not a problem for some of us but for new players having to dish out 20k for their first max armor set is kind of out of the question. The main point is that this system should never have been implemented, there was no need for it. In the coming months hopefully we will see the prices go down since insignia drops are fairly common it will hopefully be just an annoyance for us players in the first couple of weeks.

So why are you people so annoyed? This always happens when a new chapter comes out, some materials or dyes or whatever go up in price and everyone complains. Just be patient.

The new system IS better than the previous two, right now you're all complaining about the system when it's only the lack of insignias that are the problem. This is better for the long run since if you ever decide to change the stats of your armor, all you need to do is change the runes/insignias. Saying that this new systems sucks is to be shortsighted and narrowminded.

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insignias should either be craftable just like armor is or it should have a set price and never run out. i'm very annoyed by these insignias being based on supply/demand. they are a good idea but just the price is too high and they run out of supply so fast. i wanted to get a new armor for my monk from elona but i gave up on it because i'm a pvp player and the trader just didn't have the insignias i was looking for. it makes things even harder to get a pve char rdy for pvp.

i don't think the prices for the insignias in demand will ever drop back to 400gold because ppl constantly craft armors and no top of it heroes also need insignias.

I'm complaining because this system was implemented without a need, thats why. The other two were infinitely better.

I would agree with it being better if salvaging the armor to get the insignia out and not breaking your armor. Unless this has been changed your point is null.

No my point is still valid even if you couldnt salvage the insignia at all. The point is that you can change the stats of your armor for a lot cheaper just by replacing the insignias than buying a whole new set. Try again.

Demand is not infinite and constant and nor does it stay at the peak. Right now demand is at it's highest.

And who says insignias can be overwritten?

Oh ? Have you looked at superior absorption runes ? They are in high demand and very cheap. I don't know if they are under 500g, but they are close. And these were up over 100k before.

Also, I have a question about the mechanics of swapping insignias on the armor. When salvaging off an insignia to replace it, do you run the risk of losing the armor ? Because if so, it doesn't seem to me to be such a hot idea. I'd probably prefer to just have 2 sets. It's not like you're taking up more space, because the extra set of insignias take up room too.

Ummm who says that they can't?

Yeah I think you run the risk of destroying the armor. But you can just replace the insignias without having the salvage the previous insignias off.

About salvaging the insignia from your characters armor, it should work just like salvaging from any other armor. That means it can break, so unless they can be overwritten this new system is like I have said inferior.

Well considering these work very simmilar to inscriptions which require a blank spot, I can assume they cannot be overwritten. If you can show me they are re writeable then I will change my opionion on this. Otherwise I stand by my previous statement.

Maybe I can elaborate on the economic status of GW.

The economy is based on supply and demand, also, their are hardly any kept stocks of items at any vendor. That being the case, the availability of items like dye,steel,etc. totally depends on the people who sell to the vendor and the drop rate of said items.

Black dye, for example, has never dropped as frequently as red or orange dye, hence the drastic difference in the price point. The same can be said for Major and Superior vigor runes.

The way to see a swing in the opposite direction of what you consider a "Broken Economy" is the price and availabilty of Superior Absorbtion runes.

This time last year,Sup Absorbtion runes ran for 80k or more. Now, they are like 3 to 5k. That is the example that Arkantos was trying to make. With time and drop rate, plus the lack of demand, the price can nose dive.

I don't always agree with Arkantos, but this time I do. The prices will drop when the need decreases. You can't take the current economic climate as the end result of anything. Black dye has been around since the beginning of play in Prophecies, insignias and inscriptions have been out for a week.

The two are not even in the same league, let alone comparable.