The new inscriptions "Show me the Money" and "Measure for Measure" = nerfs ? :I

LoKi Foxfire

LoKi Foxfire

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Florida

One Corgi Army {OCA}

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I think these two new measures are kind of novel and the Measure for Measure inscription may be useful but I feel that they're really just nerfs. Instead of being guarenteed of always getting even a somewhat useful inscription there's now a chance for these to spawn on gold weapons. The very first rare drop I had was a req 9 Ivory Hammer with this mod on it. Other people in my guild and in towns have been getting them often now.

So is this really a nerf or will something useful come out of it?

Measure for Measure: Highly Salvegeable
Show me the Money: Precious

Neurotox

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

I can see both of them being useful.

Measure for Measure: Pull one off some crappy blue, put it on some ruby daggers and up your chances of getting a 4k+ ruby.

Show me the Money: Pull one off some crappy blue, put it on a crappy gold, or even a good one you'll never use, and get a much better chunk of change from the merchant.

Thallandor

Thallandor

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Singapore

Seers of Serpents [SoS]

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I agree with Neurotox, thats how i would use these 2 mods myself as well personally to gain more buck from the vendor trash.

Neo Nugget

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

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It will amaze me if i see people selling these lol.

Gli

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

I'd rather find either of those 2 instead of a non-maxed inscription of any kind. They'll certainly be worth more. A few weeks from now, all you'll get for a non-maxed inscriptions is 25 gold at the merchant.

Zinger314

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Neurotox
I can see both of them being useful.

Measure for Measure: Pull one off some crappy blue, put it on some ruby daggers and up your chances of getting a 4k+ ruby.

Show me the Money: Pull one off some crappy blue, put it on a crappy gold, or even a good one you'll never use, and get a much better chunk of change from the merchant.
Only problem is that it's very rare for crappu blues to have an inscription. They most often appear on purples and golds, which makes them very rare.

Knightsaber Sith

Knightsaber Sith

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2006

Few Fallen Heroes [FFH]

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Well if someone has high ranks in the wisdom/treasure hunter title tracks and can salvage without destroying things; they can just get one "measure for measure" inscription, put it on ruby daggers or whatever, salvage off a ruby, salvage the inscription off again, and sell the daggers to the merchant.

Thallandor

Thallandor

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Singapore

Seers of Serpents [SoS]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinger314
Only problem is that it's very rare for crappu blues to have an inscription. They most often appear on purples and golds, which makes them very rare.
Normal Inscriptions and non max ones are common on blues, only max inscriptions like 15^50 or 20<50 are found exlcusively on purple and gold items. Traditionally looking at drops history, the mods: "highly salvagable" and "precious" appear more on blue drops that may or maynot be max damage more frequently then they do on purple/gold items. But of course this maybe due to blue item to purple/gold drop ratio is higher. But from past experience, these two mod types should appear more common in blue items, hence making it viable to perform the task you quoted for profit.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith
Well if someone has high ranks in the wisdom/treasure hunter title tracks and can salvage without destroying things; they can just get one "measure for measure" inscription, put it on ruby daggers or whatever, salvage off a ruby, salvage the inscription off again, and sell the daggers to the merchant.
If i am not mistaken, once you Salvage for materials (trying for ruby eg in this case), you destroy the item and all mods/inscriptions on it regarless of title.

Knightsaber Sith

Knightsaber Sith

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Join Date: Aug 2006

Few Fallen Heroes [FFH]

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ah yes, that would make more sense.....
lol
oh well

Gaile Gray

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

Dear heavens, if I see the word "Nerf" one more time, I'm gonna kick a wall! (Well, in a delicate and oh-so-ladylike manner, of course! ) The team comes up with a cool new set of inscriptions and somebody's complaining?!

Honestly, some days I just despair!

Read the ideas in this thread. Some of you "get it," and can see the value of these cool new inscriptions (and their parallel in the other regions). Good job on figuring it out. And thank you for gently showing the truth to the "nerf-sayers!"

Zinger314

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Dear heavens, if I see the word "Nerf" one more time, I'm gonna kick a wall! The team comes up with a cool new set of inscriptions and somebody's complaining?!
It's more like adding a feature which was taken away, then reducing it's value, which is completely different than what you are implying.

LumpOfCole

LumpOfCole

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Orlando, FL

Rt/

Maybe "Show me the money" should make people make cash register sounds when they're hit with the weapon

LightningHell

LightningHell

(????????????)???

Join Date: Aug 2005

Hong Kong

Guildless

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Dear heavens, if I see the word "Nerf" one more time, I'm gonna kick a wall! (Well, in a delicate and oh-so-ladylike manner, of course! ) The team comes up with a cool new set of inscriptions and somebody's complaining?!

Honestly, some days I just despair!

Read the ideas in this thread. Some of you "get it," and can see the value of these cool new inscriptions (and their parallel in the other regions). Good job on figuring it out. And thank you for gently showing the truth to the "nerf-sayers!"
/is confused

Who's complaining?

EDIT: Oh, the OP...

Personally, I don't mind. I might like it, even.

Gaile Gray

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by LightningHell
Personally, I don't mind. I might like it, even.
I'm pretty happy about it myself.

Hyper Cutter

Hyper Cutter

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Knights of the White Eye [HINA]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinger314
Only problem is that it's very rare for crappu blues to have an inscription. They most often appear on purples and golds, which makes them very rare.
Actually, most blue items have inscriptions, but they're usually crap. Lots of caster inscriptions on melee weapons, too, for some reason...

LoKi Foxfire

LoKi Foxfire

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Florida

One Corgi Army {OCA}

R/Rt

Gaile, I'm so glad that my rares will now have the ever so useful "Show Me the Money" inscription instead of a 15^50.

I'll admit the "Measure for Measure" inscription might be useful if there are any weapons you can salvage good materials out of but I'd still have a 15^50 any day. :P (nerfnerfnerfnerfnerfnerfnerf)

PS: Hey Gaile so much for that Elite mission, huh?

Sanji

Sanji

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

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People who scream nerf seriously need to be repeatedly shot in sensitive areas with rubber bullets like you'd find in a riot gun.

Bet their opinion on nerfing things will change after that.

Doomlord_Slayermann

Doomlord_Slayermann

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

Chicago IL

Dark Phoenix Risin [DPR]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Dear heavens, if I see the word "Nerf" one more time, I'm gonna kick a wall! (Well, in a delicate and oh-so-ladylike manner, of course! )
Just wear "Nerf" shoes to make it hurt less.

Seriously, I can already see things in PvP that are screaming "NERF ME!" in at least some way. It's to early to tell, but if those need the nerfing and ArenaNet follows through I would expect some whining.

Precious and Highly Salvageable mods being nerfs though? Really, the fact that this thread exists is sad.

capitalist

capitalist

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Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Dear heavens, if I see the word "Nerf" one more time, I'm gonna kick a wall! (Well, in a delicate and oh-so-ladylike manner, of course! ) The team comes up with a cool new set of inscriptions and somebody's complaining?!
If you could refrain from nerfing me specifically, I would appreciate it (15% Fiery Flame Spitter?). If you can manage this, I will stop using the word.

fenix

fenix

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Join Date: Aug 2005

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I personally think that this new inscription update could help out newer players when they get a weap.... ARGH I can't keep it up. This update sucks. Who wants inscriptions for Precious and Highly Salvagable, that's just stupid. How about make them on random weapons, and NOT an inscription?

This is just adding more useless stuff to PvE that isn't needed.

lyra_song

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

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No no, dont worry we got enough people on the forum here to yell at them.

Seriously.

People are entitled to their opinion.

INCLUDING GAILE.

If anything Gaile needs to write up a flame thread for all the moronic shit a lot of people mindlessly, needlessly and endlessly complain about.

Kalki

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Summoners of Forgotten Gods

W/Mo

I'm happy to see precious and highly salvagable mods back in the game. I'll make more money off those than most of the other non-maxed inscriptions that drop.

Depends on the drop rates though.

NERF! jk

Ken Dei

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

W/Mo

Naw..Gaile should keep her cool and know that more people support her then don't, and let US be the ones to beat the @^#@&#%@&#^% out of the real whiners

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

OK seriously, I'm agreeing with Gaile here. I read the OP, and I'm just a little confused about where the 'nerf' is. Honestly. Cause I mean, I though that nerf meant a feature (be it skill, strategy, stats on an item, etc.) that used to work one way, is changed so that it either no longer works, or requires more effort (time, other skills, etc.) to accomplish the same thing that used to require less. If that is what a nerf is, then how is this a nerf?

I think it's great. I love salvaging stuff, and as for the Precious, well I'd much rather get a Precious inscription than a 11^50 or 15% while hexed BS inscription. I will rejoice when I find one!

Spellforge

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Guildless

N/

Why complain - it had to be done this way

Prophercies and factions
Inate attributes

Precious
Highly Salvageable
15 > 50
+5 energy
etc

Nighfall
No Inate attributes (doesn't exist) - inscriptions instead
so instead
inscription attributes

Precious
Highly Salvageable
15 > 50
+5 energy
etc

anti_z3r0

anti_z3r0

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2005

Black Rose Assassins [BRA]

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"Oh no, something new?! must be a nerf, lets go make a thread on guru about it!"

For those that are complaining that they might get this on their uber rare drop: salvage the inscription off and put another one on. Eureka! problem solved.

This is an inscription that is always max, and can be used on anything. You can be pretty smart about the new system and get really good salvage materials.

brokenmonkey

brokenmonkey

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

CA

[UC] Uber Crue

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Before you complain did you even try salvaging with one on it guys? Ive dont it 3 times

1st time Bone Staff=86 bones !!
2nd Time (other Staff) =76 Wood planks
3rd Staff= 8 steel. I LOVE THE NEW INSCRIPTION... WTb 300 gold each!!

Go gaile and anet, I for one, am
very thankful, and i hate the word nerf.

Warskull

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jul 2005

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Show me the money=Precious

This one seems to be a set gold bonus (around +100 from what I've seen so far) not a multiplier. Thus it is pretty much wortless as an inscription. Just sell the weapon with it in.

Measure for Measure=Highly Salvageable

This one is actually really freaking useful. You can save it, stick it in a white item of choice, and get a lot of stuff out of that item. Just figure out what salvages into what you need. If you need lots of cloth stick it in a kournan cape/robe. If you need lots of steel stick it in a rod or a sword.

Anryla

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Alt Control Delete

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Kournan Cape/Robe has inscription slots? I dont think that is possible and I believe that was a typo or something else.

Tetris L

Tetris L

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Germany

Servants of Fortuna

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Dear heavens, if I see the word "Nerf" one more time, I'm gonna kick a wall!
I couldn't agree more. "Nerf" is the general term that crybabies use to put down something that they don't like (or more likely: something that they don't understand). Most of them have no clue what "nerfing" actually means. They're just whining. Even if ANet would buff a skill to cause double damage, some idiots would still find a way to call that change a "nerf".

bigwig

bigwig

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

Nova Scotia

#Dismantle

They replaced something, with something thats better. And still people complain. People are so afraid of change its staggering. Every AI update, every skill update, bug fix, actual nerf, or even buffs, and people are terrified of the change.

Guild Wars is not the game for you if you don't like things to change.

Sedgehammer

Sedgehammer

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

Little Duckies

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinger314
Only problem is that it's very rare for crappu blues to have an inscription. They most often appear on purples and golds, which makes them very rare.
Well... I was farming the area right outside of Kamadan (connects to Champion's Dawn, not Churrir Fields), and I got both a Show Me the Money and a Measure for Measure within 15 minutes. They were on weapons worth 1 gold, so I think you can probably expect to see them anywhere.

Sedgehammer

Sedgehammer

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Join Date: Oct 2006

Little Duckies

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Oh, and blues always have inscriptions for me in that same area. I sold approximately 20 inscriptions after 3 hours of just killing bugs and plants.

Sophitia Leafblade

Sophitia Leafblade

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Dragon Slayer Guild [DSG]

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I think the new inscriptions are a great little add in Thumbs up here

EternalTempest

EternalTempest

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Join Date: Jun 2005

United States

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I actually just game across this mod yesterday off a blue I believe. Caught me be surprise, a pleasant surprise mind you

I also fail to see who this is a nerf? A new inscription that wasn't there before. Even if it's a replacement for "precious" how is it removing anything.

Bryant Again

Bryant Again

Hall Hero

Join Date: Feb 2006

So...It this considered a "nerf" (term used loosely) because these inscriptions are more common than others? And were these inherient mods available in Nightfall before? If not, it doesn't make much sense...Prophecies and Factions had em, so why not Nightfall?

fatmouse

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

For all those ridiculing him about how this is possibly a nerf, if you read his post he's concerned that gold drops will get "useless" inscriptions.

That said I'd assume it's like the old system, where only blue items get precious or highly salvageable. So no, it isn't a nerf. If like he says they do come on golds and can't be replaced then it would indeed suck.

ericdanie

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Rio de Janeiro - Brazil

Tribo dos Reis [TdR]

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Where is the nerf? Getting a crappy weapon in a newbie area with this inscription and applying it to the purple you got from a chest to boost it's price? Is that a NERF?
Now you can actually remove a mod you want and replace it with a precious one and sell the purple one for a good ammount, or for materials.

"NERF ZOMG NOW I HAVE TO SPLIT THE CHANCE OF GETTING A 15>50 WITH 2 MORE INSCRIPTIONS IM GUNNA STOP PLAYING TIS GAME CUZ MY LIFE HAS BEEN DSTROYED11!1!1!1shiftlock"

Seriously, if you manage to see a bad thing in this update, I really recommend you play some game that is in its final version (which means devs don't care about it anymore) as you'll be able to see a bad thing in EVERY update made to this game (you're neurotic or you are way too pessimistic to see a change happening in your world).

This update was great, nice to see ANet putting some logic in the game ^^ No wonder I didn't find it for unlocking on Priest of Balthazar =P

Thanks ANet for this update, and I'm impressed to see Gaile even on useless topics like this one, you rock.

Cunning

Cunning

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

Vabbi, Elona

Ex Talionis [Law]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by talon
This is just adding more useless stuff to PvE that isn't needed.
It was already there before NF was released.

Also, if you get a so-called perfect gold with the 'precious' inscription and you don't want to risk the salvage, overwrite it with something else.

Legendary Shiz

Legendary Shiz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

I wouldn't say this is a "nerf".

I don't hate the idea. Maybe that's just because I'm a higher ranked treasure hunter/wisdom person.