Honestly I think it is time this issue got some attention. How does Anet even half way expect us to be able to pay for equipping heroes? Between my paragon and my dervish I've dumped all 250k and they have crap. The amount of gold needed to fully enjoy the game is just absolutely obscene.
1. Insignias are completely stupid. They cost a nut and a half just to equip your armor with them. Take into account even equipping 3 heroes that you use, let alone all of them.
2. Weapons, are you kidding me, I use nothing but spellcasters for heroes because weapons are just unbelievably expensive. To buy the raw max damage weapon clean it is about 7k (5k + materials). Then to buy the 15^50 inscription that is another 10k.. To buy even decent mods that is another 15k. Are you kidding thats 32k per person per weapon.
3. Runes are completely out of the question. If they are not sold out, every rune people want is absolutely obscenely priced. Sure people are gonna say it will go down but the fact is it won't. They upped the demand by 4x and the supply stayed the same.
To fully enjoy the game you want max runes and well equipped heroes. Three well equipped heroes at the very least and the rest of them for full flexibility. It costs damn near 50k to well equip a single hero or yourself. If I went through 250k to equip my guys and they have absolute crap, how do you expect new players to even remotely stand a chance?
Do something about this crap.
How are we supposed to equip our heroes?
TadaceAce
Phoenix Arrows
1. You don't necessarily have to add Insignias to heroes. They just improve the armor, but are not required.
2. It is not necessary to have perfect weapons. Just use items you find that have ok stats on them. Or, you can get Collector's Items that have 15^50 on them. The mods you can find by yourself. Comes out to...1k > per weapon.
3. Runes are not necessary either. They are there to improve, but not necessary. Also, you can find Runes and salvage them out for personal use.
Heroes are not meant to be perfect players. They are there as a customizable henchman that you can control for better effect. If you wanted to you don't even need to equip a single hero. Just use the henchmen. Stop whining.
2. It is not necessary to have perfect weapons. Just use items you find that have ok stats on them. Or, you can get Collector's Items that have 15^50 on them. The mods you can find by yourself. Comes out to...1k > per weapon.
3. Runes are not necessary either. They are there to improve, but not necessary. Also, you can find Runes and salvage them out for personal use.
Heroes are not meant to be perfect players. They are there as a customizable henchman that you can control for better effect. If you wanted to you don't even need to equip a single hero. Just use the henchmen. Stop whining.
Kha
My monk's Heroes used collector's weapons with no mods. They have no insignias or runes in their armor. My monk beat the game using them. It's not necessary to twink out your Heroes to make them effective. Complain about something that needs complaining about. Don't whine that this game is too hard when really it's just that you want EVERYTHING and really need none of it for your Heroes. If your Heroes aren't effective, maybe you should look at their builds and not their equipment.
HawkofStorms
What Phoenix said.
Runes are not going to be overpriced because heros armor can never be destroyed. If you are that obsessed with making perfect heroes here is a way to be cheap. Buy one set of runes for one characters heroes. Every time you switch characters, salvage out all the runes off and switch them to your other characters. If you are too lazy to do that, then it is not important enough for them to have runes in the first place.
Runes are not going to be overpriced because heros armor can never be destroyed. If you are that obsessed with making perfect heroes here is a way to be cheap. Buy one set of runes for one characters heroes. Every time you switch characters, salvage out all the runes off and switch them to your other characters. If you are too lazy to do that, then it is not important enough for them to have runes in the first place.
Carth`
I wish hero equipment was account based. Nobody seems to care that they have access to every skill your account has unlocked, giving level 3 Koss with his endgame build using an elite skill. So I don't see why not let them have whatever equipment too, you can easily have something in storage for them from another character.
So yeah, account based please. Otherwise I think I am only completing NF with 1 character, the whole campaign is a grind.
So yeah, account based please. Otherwise I think I am only completing NF with 1 character, the whole campaign is a grind.
Thallandor
There is no right or wrong way to play this game. You dont need to max out your Heros to perform or play the game. Heros skills builds are infact more important towards their effectiveness than what you put in their hands. Unless of course you plan to use your PvE toons/Heros to PvP then its a different story and you should have used a PvP toon instead... Otherwise you got to suck it up and come up with the Gold to make them competitive like the rest of the rich PvPers crowd.
Personally i have never gave my Heros any Runes/insignia so far and i am up to Gate of maddness playing only 1-2 hours on weekdays and more on weekends and should finish the game tonight with my main without ever having to PuG. Infact my Heros are gonna be recycling the items they use when i play another toon for the same few Heros that i always have in my party.
Needs and Wants are completely different things.
Personally i have never gave my Heros any Runes/insignia so far and i am up to Gate of maddness playing only 1-2 hours on weekdays and more on weekends and should finish the game tonight with my main without ever having to PuG. Infact my Heros are gonna be recycling the items they use when i play another toon for the same few Heros that i always have in my party.
Needs and Wants are completely different things.
Resp
Agreed. Lets rename post. HEROES SHOUL BE ACCOUNT BASED, not charracter based. Or else it's realy stuped. Can't find another word.
/signed
/signed
Tuesg
Pfffft next we shall be complaining that the average henchmen don't have sup vigor and 15^50 weapons
Dr Strangelove
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Pfffft next we shall be complaining that the average henchmen don't have sup vigor and 15^50 weapons
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/signed for account based heroes
Tetris L
Even a badly equipped hero is still superior to a henchman. You can get very cheap, near perfect stuff from collectors. Equipping them with l33t stuff is nice to have, but by no means required. It's the skill bar that makes all the difference, not the armor and weapon equipment!
vaxmor
yes - lets have lvl 20 Koss in starter island. great idea.
yes - lets have lvl 20 koss with max dmg +15^50 +30HP +mod wepaonry in start island.
wonderful idea.
why?
because its just tooooo hard to use collector/crafter items! zomg MUST have G0ldz!
yes - lets have lvl 20 koss with max dmg +15^50 +30HP +mod wepaonry in start island.
wonderful idea.
why?
because its just tooooo hard to use collector/crafter items! zomg MUST have G0ldz!
Tetris L
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1. Insignias are completely stupid. They cost a nut and a half just to equip your armor with them. Take into account even equipping 3 heroes that you use, let alone all of them.
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xuemin
don't agree completely, as people have said before it is possible to complete the game with heroes still using starter equip and blank armor and get master reward in missions.
but think somehow the heroes should automatically get equipped with the drops that they're stealing off us >.> or have an option saying "hero X got this drop, equip it on him?" and if we disagree it, the drop disappears and if we agree we can't touch that drop anyway because it's the hero's <.<
remember, it can take time to farm for the items needed for the collector and having to do it several times for other chars and hoping the henchies/heroes aren't stealing it >.> or you have empty storage so you can constantly transfer weapon sets between chars...
but think somehow the heroes should automatically get equipped with the drops that they're stealing off us >.> or have an option saying "hero X got this drop, equip it on him?" and if we disagree it, the drop disappears and if we agree we can't touch that drop anyway because it's the hero's <.<
remember, it can take time to farm for the items needed for the collector and having to do it several times for other chars and hoping the henchies/heroes aren't stealing it >.> or you have empty storage so you can constantly transfer weapon sets between chars...
seut
Heroes should have access to the pvp equipment builder.
Don Vito Corleone
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1. You don't necessarily have to add Insignias to heroes. They just improve the armor, but are not required. 2. It is not necessary to have perfect weapons. Just use items you find that have ok stats on them. Or, you can get Collector's Items that have 15^50 on them. The mods you can find by yourself. Comes out to...1k > per weapon. 3. Runes are not necessary either. They are there to improve, but not necessary. Also, you can find Runes and salvage them out for personal use. |
the 1st character in nightfall was my paragon and believe me i spent 100k on heroes only
just for runesfor weapons i give them collector items or any item would be better than theirs
don't waste ur money on heroes untill u have millions
wilq
I beat the game with one character and I'm 70% done with other one, I didn't even bother buying insignias or runes for my heroes (Koss is the only one to have a rune, my monks are without single rune), I gave them greens that I had I found or collector weapons and had no trouble beating the game.
So I definately didn't need to fully equip them to beat and enjoy the game.
As for #2 - you can get max dmg 15^50 weapons without paying tons for it, just use collectors from old chapters or from Elona (I found couple of guys that give 15^50 max dmg items throughout the game). I played whole game with 15^50 collectors hammer without any other mod on it.
So I definately didn't need to fully equip them to beat and enjoy the game.
As for #2 - you can get max dmg 15^50 weapons without paying tons for it, just use collectors from old chapters or from Elona (I found couple of guys that give 15^50 max dmg items throughout the game). I played whole game with 15^50 collectors hammer without any other mod on it.
Trakata
Koss doesn't need bling-bling to fight well.
Honestly, runes and insignias are not all that expensive. I'll bet you're trying to deck out all your heros with the Radiant insignia, the most expensive one. I beat the campaign without adding any insignias and only a Superior Axe Mastery on Koss. Now I'm slowly improving them, but only a little bit at a time.
If you seriously think you need to give your heros the equivalent of an Escalade with pure platinum spinners, I feel bad.
*edit* Collectors are your friend.
However, I will sign because I think Heros should've been account based anyway.
Honestly, runes and insignias are not all that expensive. I'll bet you're trying to deck out all your heros with the Radiant insignia, the most expensive one. I beat the campaign without adding any insignias and only a Superior Axe Mastery on Koss. Now I'm slowly improving them, but only a little bit at a time.
If you seriously think you need to give your heros the equivalent of an Escalade with pure platinum spinners, I feel bad.
*edit* Collectors are your friend.
However, I will sign because I think Heros should've been account based anyway.
TSCavalier
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but think somehow the heroes should automatically get equipped with the drops that they're stealing off us >.> or have an option saying "hero X got this drop, equip it on him?" and if we disagree it, the drop disappears and if we agree we can't touch that drop anyway because it's the hero's <.<
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But... playing with just heroes... it feels like I'm getting a LOT of drops. Are we certain that any drops that would be assigned to heroes aren't being assigned to the player instead?
Henchmen, yes. It's obvious they are. I see my drop rate fall if I have henchmen, but it seems like when I'm running around with 3 heroes, that monsters are dropping something for me around 75% of the time.
Zakarr
I have 10 PvE characters and equipping every hero in every PvE character will be very hard even if you put collector items on them. Most armor insignias and runes must be bought.
Heroes gear should be account-based but their levels would become equal with highest level hero of same type among your PvE characters once Nightfall's mainland has been reached.
Heroes gear should be account-based but their levels would become equal with highest level hero of same type among your PvE characters once Nightfall's mainland has been reached.
Relnor
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I wish hero equipment was account based. Nobody seems to care that they have access to every skill your account has unlocked, giving level 3 Koss with his endgame build using an elite skill. So I don't see why not let them have whatever equipment too, you can easily have something in storage for them from another character.
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Chieftain Heavyhand
The only problem I'm having with Hero equipment is that I cant get rid of their crappie weapons. They are filling up my inventory and I have no way to get rid of them.
I have been scouring the Desert for good collector weapons and have found more than enough to supply my heroes with decent replacements for their original weapons
but, now my inventory is full of junk weapons.
Does anyone know how I can ditch this junk? I've tried to put them into my storage chest, sell them, and throw them away out side of town but I'm still stuck with them and my storage space is hurting over it.
I have been scouring the Desert for good collector weapons and have found more than enough to supply my heroes with decent replacements for their original weapons
Does anyone know how I can ditch this junk? I've tried to put them into my storage chest, sell them, and throw them away out side of town but I'm still stuck with them and my storage space is hurting over it.
Relnor
To delete un-sellable weapons/items, simply open your inventory, click on the item, and drag it into the trash can located to the right of your storage bags.
Chieftain Heavyhand
Thanks
Never have used the trash can cant wait to get home and clean house.
Never have used the trash can cant wait to get home and clean house.
Viruzzz
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Agreed. Lets rename post. HEROES SHOUL BE ACCOUNT BASED, not charracter based. Or else it's realy stuped. Can't find another word.
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Linksys
Having the equipment and builds on Heros, along with experience level, being account based would be nice. But when one character unlocks a Hero, the others should have to unlock them manually as well.
fatmouse
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another problem arises. you run around with level 20 fully outfitted heroes at level 2
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Sanji
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another problem arises. you run around with level 20 fully outfitted heroes at level 2
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Not to mention most people have 5 or so level 20 characters for the other continents.
Though if it was such a problem, they could throw an NPC that provides the outfitting service to your Heroes behind Consulate docks.
wilebill
"To fully enjoy the game you want max runes and well equipped heroes."
1. You don't need max runes for heroes. Especially not vigor. Maybe major Vigor on Koss if you think you really need it. Equipment? Mostly what I have just found. I've spent comparatively little on my heroes, and finished the game. Part of the fun was finding some item and realizing that one hero or another could use it, bit better than what they had. By the end of the game they are all acceptably equipped and weapons, shields, and items cost me nothing.
2. Well equipped heroes can be heroes using collector stuff. And here I think I will complain to ANet that there should be a list of collectors and what they have to offer in-game that expands as you open up areas. Guildwiki is so overloaded right now I can't ever get into it.
1. You don't need max runes for heroes. Especially not vigor. Maybe major Vigor on Koss if you think you really need it. Equipment? Mostly what I have just found. I've spent comparatively little on my heroes, and finished the game. Part of the fun was finding some item and realizing that one hero or another could use it, bit better than what they had. By the end of the game they are all acceptably equipped and weapons, shields, and items cost me nothing.
2. Well equipped heroes can be heroes using collector stuff. And here I think I will complain to ANet that there should be a list of collectors and what they have to offer in-game that expands as you open up areas. Guildwiki is so overloaded right now I can't ever get into it.
MasterThrawn
How about if you have to level them each up, and unlock them, but let them keep all of the weapons and mods you've given them. Don't know how hard that would be to do, but... I can see it being kind of silly to have level 20 heroes on starter island.
Draxx
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... What?... Not to just be spamming a post... but buddy... really... that was the most pathetic winge of a post i have ever read...
If you cant afford to equip your characters. you know what you can do... SAAAAAVE!...
i mean people always moan there is nothing to do before the next campaign and when we finally get something we can work for anr enjoy and equip like we equip ourselves... you MOAN!
surely... SURELY! you are able to farm or make money in some other way... i unserstand its frustrating to some extent because its nto actually for your Character ... but it is part of your Character. embrase it and pimp your heroes... shhhhhhhhh
*sigh* you just cant please some people ay.
... What?... Not to just be spamming a post... but buddy... really... that was the most pathetic winge of a post i have ever read...
If you cant afford to equip your characters. you know what you can do... SAAAAAVE!...
i mean people always moan there is nothing to do before the next campaign and when we finally get something we can work for anr enjoy and equip like we equip ourselves... you MOAN!
surely... SURELY! you are able to farm or make money in some other way... i unserstand its frustrating to some extent because its nto actually for your Character ... but it is part of your Character. embrase it and pimp your heroes... shhhhhhhhh
*sigh* you just cant please some people ay.
KvanCetre
You don't need superior runes on your henchmen. In fact, major will do great.
Sup vig runes? No need, really.
You're crafting the weapons? Why not just get collectors items? Sure, it will take you a little longer, but at least you won't have to forum-rage about spending 15k.
Sup vig runes? No need, really.
You're crafting the weapons? Why not just get collectors items? Sure, it will take you a little longer, but at least you won't have to forum-rage about spending 15k.
Surkon
Thanks for all the advice I have been using Collector stuff since I started playing and I have a lot of stuff stored away my Koss will be a lot better equipped this evening. again Thanks for the advice.
Xioden
In all honestly theres only a few cases where you could sorta make an argument that you NEED runes for heores, only one I can say for sure I know I'd want, is a superior death for a MM hero. The rest I only add what I've found so far; Total spent on heroes: 0g. And that's across 4 characters now.
So big deal, Koss doesn't have a perfect 15^50 Sundering 20/20 +30 fort or whatever you kids and your music want nowadays. I've got him with some axe I picked up and he's got a 14^50 mod which I salvaged (Oh Noes! -1% from [email protected]!!), 9/10 furious mod, and +26 fort mod, both of which I found. So big deal, they aren't perfect, Is it imperfect to the point I'll actually notice a difference? No.
So big deal, Koss doesn't have a perfect 15^50 Sundering 20/20 +30 fort or whatever you kids and your music want nowadays. I've got him with some axe I picked up and he's got a 14^50 mod which I salvaged (Oh Noes! -1% from [email protected]!!), 9/10 furious mod, and +26 fort mod, both of which I found. So big deal, they aren't perfect, Is it imperfect to the point I'll actually notice a difference? No.
Yichi
I think they screwed up with heros. They should have an item that the stats are based on its level. say like for Koss, he should have a sword or axe that the damage, req, and dmg mod goes up with each level. say like 5>50 until level 5, 10>50 until level 10, 12>50 until level 15, 15>50 after level 15. just an idea.
What i did was buy some cheap greens before NF came out. The scar eater (2), wings axe, ssaki's sword, vilnars staff, gihals staff, crafted a fire staff from kaineg center and put a en+5 head, ar+5 wrap (like 15k total), daggers of xukaido or some crap that was like 2k but max dmg, and an elswyths recurve for like 5k, and a crafted tactics -5/30 shield.
I bought those and spent a total of like 75k and i have a full set of weapons for one whole characters hero's. bring one character through at a time and transfer the weapons from that characters heros and put them on the other.
What i did was buy some cheap greens before NF came out. The scar eater (2), wings axe, ssaki's sword, vilnars staff, gihals staff, crafted a fire staff from kaineg center and put a en+5 head, ar+5 wrap (like 15k total), daggers of xukaido or some crap that was like 2k but max dmg, and an elswyths recurve for like 5k, and a crafted tactics -5/30 shield.
I bought those and spent a total of like 75k and i have a full set of weapons for one whole characters hero's. bring one character through at a time and transfer the weapons from that characters heros and put them on the other.
V-Dragon
I don't think they should make the Heroes account based, but they should make their weapon storage account based. So, if I put a perfect axe and shield on my Koss, the perfect axe and shield should appear on every Koss throughout my account.
It sucks that everytime I switch chars that I have to remember to pull the weapons off my hero and put it in the xunlai storage. It's either that or using one hero with a crappy weapon, while the same hero on my other char is using a perfect weapon.
It sucks that everytime I switch chars that I have to remember to pull the weapons off my hero and put it in the xunlai storage. It's either that or using one hero with a crappy weapon, while the same hero on my other char is using a perfect weapon.
Relnor
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I think they screwed up with heros. They should have an item that the stats are based on its level. say like for Koss, he should have a sword or axe that the damage, req, and dmg mod goes up with each level. say like 5>50 until level 5, 10>50 until level 10, 12>50 until level 15, 15>50 after level 15. just an idea.
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Ensign
You can craft 15>50 weapons of all types in the Command Post.
Peace,
-CxE
Peace,
-CxE
Relnor
Yes, but you cannot craft the other mods for the weapon such as a sword pommel of fortitude.
GreatLich
I found that the heroes make for some great storage-extenders. finally I can free up the slots in my xunlai that all those greens were taking up ^^
Caldec
i dont belive this has been posted but if u use an exsisting character heros can use all weapons customized 2 the player that owns them for example my koss uses my axe while i sword and my sword while axe which gives him perfect weapons and all preorder weapons like the spear and sythe and the daggers can be used by the heros so thats nice cheap equipment.
and i also agree heros should be account based so u can use any weapons customized around your account for the heros and they should be balanced with the area u are in like when u start in kamadan they r level 2 when u finish the first mission on noob island they will be level 5 ect and will be lvl upon arrival to the sunspear sanctuary
and i also agree heros should be account based so u can use any weapons customized around your account for the heros and they should be balanced with the area u are in like when u start in kamadan they r level 2 when u finish the first mission on noob island they will be level 5 ect and will be lvl upon arrival to the sunspear sanctuary