When did Anet decide to stop caring about PvP?

Campaigns are not the problem, and PvP also get screwed in Factions, only thing I expect from anet is a new arena, new skills and a nice metagame. New skills are allways there, metagame is screwed atm, in Factions we got the "PvE/PvP" arena called AB, which sucks for real pvp-ers. NF added Hero arena's, but they screwed up with allowing heroes in HA.

p.s. I really like the style of PvP in Hero Arena's, why not make a 4v4/6v6/8v8 version of this 1, or put some of those type of maps in HA. And no heroes then ofc.

hahahahahahaha

Also, maybe this is a hint for you to stop tombing and play real pvp. na'amsayin?

Why are you calling attention to Gaile?

Because she wont give you an aswer?

Blaming Gaile doesnt solve your problems. Calling her attention wont solve your problems either. Your post is filled with hostility and accusation and inflammatory language. If you PM her like that, why would you even expect a response?


Gaile is such an easy target and you need to stop taking cheap shots with threads like this.

Yes and we are still waiting for someone to explain what that reason was.

And dont go quoting polls of the "6v6 test" weekend. Up to a week after the change there were forum posts and people in HA saying " How come its 6v6 but not double fame?"

And about rank elitism. New players complaining are looking in the wrong place for teams, If you go standing around in Int dis 1 expecting to join a team you will meet every idiot in the game.
In my home district English1 almost every team spamming for people is unranked. I cant see how unranked people cant find teams.
Dont go around expecting to get into high teams just because you think your good enough. If people dont know you, you wont get in. The teams winning the most are made from friendlist's not random PuGs.
I wouldnt say not allowed, but it being naive if thats what they expect.

And hero's have no place in PvP.

gwonline has pvpers??

news to me

yes, i know that I'm a bit hostile with this, and I don't mean to be, but anyway, since when is it forbidden to criticise someone nice? Yes I like Gaile too, a nice person, and usually good at her job.

Too bad she didn't do it so great at a single point,anyway did I ever say gaile was a [insert random bad word]? No. I am simply telling her that she is failing at theis one point....allowing her to improve....don't you get it? People can't read minds, so how the hell would she know if she was doing a bad job if no one told her? Criticising is the way to progress (made that up aaaalll by myself ).

I love how all the PvE'ers unite for a just cause in there eyes. Its magical...


Now gtfo.

Half of you dont even HA enough to experience the vast fu** up HA is now. Stop supporting 6v6 just so you have to find only 3 vim trappers instead of 5.

SF is.. well lets just say it probably needs a little nerf, like a recharge or a cast time.

Paragons, theyre slowly rotating into the metagame. Theyll likely be nerfed with some recharge times as well.. I dont think they should but I expect them to.

Heroes.. Get them outa HA, bring em to heroes arena, thats what Anet made it for.

Elitism H8r's- GTFO and get your rank 3 or w/e. Stop whining about not being able to get a good group when we ALL had to go through the SAME EXACT THING!


PvP is anything but pamperd. Lets go through all the PvP styles and see how theyre "pamperd"
GvG: Ummm.. Shit, Special Capes that last through the season? I dunno. Lets move on.

RA:Wait, when was the last time they changed anything in RA except maps?

TA:See above.

HA:Umm.. Rank? Nahhh, thats there for a reason, Hmm... Screw it, I give up.
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Oh Wait, we had that double fame weekend that one time.


Please, elaborate on how PvP is "pamperd".

While over on the PvE side we have:
Triple green drop weekends
Double elite cap XP
Double green weekends
Free elite missions weekends
Halloween events
Holiday events
and many other ---- weekend events.

Yea, I can see how you say PvP has it good.. Damn we have the life.


































/end sarcasm :/

I wander what would happen if ANet put fame into hero battle, GVG, AB, and TA.....

I think the hoh pvp is fine seriously. If it satisfies like 90% of the community, then the other 10 will just have to adapt.

The REAL problem with hoh/pvp is a lot of the "expierenced people". I've been playing this game for 18 months. First started out just doing PvE, but then I try to get into pvp and I see a lot of "forming rank 3 spike groups" so I really never did pvp because of this crap. No one is taking in the lower ranks right now. The only non ranked groups today are iway and stuff like that (i finally managed r3). Also, I try to find a pvp guild that can help me learn how to play different pvp builds and stuff but again, most guilds that do pvp only want high ranked people. It seems like none of the higher ranks are helping any of less expierenced pvers.

Your original post

You have posted in the general discussion forum composed of pvp, pve, and people who play both forum members. "There issues with pvp, read this other website and these forums, you should know already" and left it that. Also by not defining what specifically what your addressing, you can see how this thread bounces everywhere. Also a lot of response is PVP is broke (no specific) will invoke really, I think it's fine because of XYZ.

Also since you fired a shot across the bow as it where to try and get gaile's attention, why would we (as in all of us) not respond.

You are going to have to get used to the fact that people want to win in HA, they do not want to have to teach people how to play the game every time they make a group and will only take ranked people because that's the only way they have can tell how much experience in HA someone has.

Backpedaling is not gonna save your ass. Your complaint and criticism is valid. Your hostility and the form of your post is not.

You see the can of shit that opens up when threads like this start with that kind of a post? Saying that Anet holds favoritism with PVE will get you flames and wont get the discussion going anywhere productive.

You didn't state your problem. All you stated was Gaile was ignoring you and paying more attention to PVE and you wanted her attention.

I suggest editing your OP and be clear.

I'm all for a change that forces PvP teams to be at least 50% player (in the case of HA, you must have at least 3 human players). But I am against restricting heroes as long as henchmen remain an option.

Heroes at least have some human component to them unlike henchmen and thus are more of a challenge to face (though still a joke).

If you want to eliminate the ability to bring in heroes, eliminate the option of bringing henchmen as well.

PVP not getting enough love, boo hoo.. I wish they were 2 separate games and pve was not nerfed everytime a pvp person whines cause they got their butt kicked.

You: Hey Gaile, when did Anet decide to stop caring about PvP?
Gaile: LOL

Heh the best suggestion I've heard so far.

I'll admit I heroway faction quite abit But when my guild does get together to run builds, its nice to know we win because we're good and not just cause the other team is a bunch of crap bots. Although my view is, everyone paid money for the game, they should be able to play HA without having to deal with all the elitism in there, heros and henchies let them do that. Not saying everyone with rank is that way (elitists), but you can't deny the fact that there are players who do take it to the extreme. A few bad experiences early on can turn off a player to pvp, who otherwise may have turned out to be a decent player.

Which makes me wonder if it isn't all these high end pvp'ers own fault for the changes If people would just show some respect once in awhile maybe the new players wouldn't complain so much about not being able to find groups, which leads to Anet making it so they can bypass having to.

No I really don't believe thats why it happened just a fun viewpoint

HA has always sucked by the way. What about new people who got the game to PvP? They can't because HA was filled with Rank-elitists who didn't give a chance to players without rank. They forget to realize that most people got rank through IWAY or VIMWAY and therefore means that they probably don't have skill anyway.

What are you talking about how they broke HA, it has been broken for a long time now.

I wasn't referring to your threads, just the complaint threads about searing flames in general :P

They're all the same, regardless of who started them.

The practical solution is to just leave HA to the PvEers and move on to GvG. Or you can farm all of the little heroways for free fame.

I love how people go to HA and expect to get invited into experienced groups right off the bat. News flash: people like to win. They're not going to take you if you're not any good, and they sure as hell are not obligated to. You are not entitled to play in good teams just because you want to.

Not even remotely true. Also, entirely besides the point.

HA isn't broken, it's changed. OK, you don't like those changes. So what? Many other people do like those changes. ANet watches what goes on, don't you even begin to doubt that they don't. If HA starts to die, or become static, then things will change again. And again, a lot of people whom were used to the 'old' way will be offended, but a lot of other people will not be offended.

*shrug*

That's life. Move on.

This thread shows very good why I think PvP-only characters were the worst thing that could ever happen to guild wars. They simply attract to many brats.
What happened due to the introduction of them? A never to be solved balancing problem between PvE/PvP characters.


I personally still like the change to 6vs6 in HA. It was needed as 6vs6 was missing. It would have been better done by adding a new pvp-type like HA for 6vs6, but better this way than no change.
Yes, it is currently totally screwed, but the reasons are the game mechanics and the skills available. And I see no problem with heroes in HA. If just half of the people complaining about them, calling them "free fame but boring to beat" would be just half as good as they say...then no heroteam would make it past the first two maps resulting in a largely herofree HA. And I preffer to fight heroes than the even more boring endless parade of the same fotms like smite etc.
Also I can't stop smiling. First everybody just seeks r9+++++++ players for his pugs and calls everybody with less rank a noob. And no, R3 isn't worth crap anymore. Then those people unable to find a team grab their heroes and play anyways. I smile because this not just annoys the arrogant IWAY R1457+++ rankelitists causing the problem, I bet most of them are just so angry, because they lose against AI ^^

It's the same problem with heroes anywhere. Everybody would really preffer to play with and against humans, as AI can never be as good/challenging as a human CAN be. But Ai doesn't complain and dirttalk all the time, too
It's the community, not the game.

I love PvP chars, wouldnt play this game without them.

No you aren't, and you aren't entitled to have Anet comply with your every wish just because you don't like how things are... Not necessarily directed at you, just saying it goes both ways.

HA has always been a godsdamn mess. Go do some GvGs, which is the only real form of Pvp that commands respect.

HA/HoH is just an incestous cesspool of rankflashing, FotM builds and gimmicks. It's been that way ever since spirit spamming could get you 50 fame a day.

Anet, in the last month, has just about fixed every issue in PvP. PvP-only characters are now on-par with the best PvE characters. It no longer takes 45 minutes to setup an entire team with PvP characters. Armor-swapping has been removed. There was a major skill re-balance. Just about everything that needed to be done was done. If anything, Anet has shown their dedication to making GW PvP a competitive game. As a primarily PvP'er, I am very grateful to Anet for the job they've done in the last month.

I miss the days when id1 was next to unknown. Talk about rank-elitism.
But on topic, the 6v6 at first seemed like a bad change but after a while I got used to it. The heroes are a bad idea, not because it gives pve'ers/noobs easy groups, but because with only 6 player slots wasting them on heroes seems like a waste even though they may play better than most people.
I don't know why rank elitism was brought up but since it was I might as well say something. I remember when I first got into pvp I had no fame and it was almost impossible to get a group. It would take a week to get 5 fame or something around that. I made a couple of friends and we started thinking of builds and we started figuring out how to improve them. After a month I got my rank 3, it was 15 or so months ago so it still meant something back then. After my rank 3 I found out, "hey look I can get into ranked groups now." To all those people that say "Rank doesn't mean anything" you don't know what you are talking about. I don't mean that unranked people can't play their role properly but many of them can't.

What I think that the OP meant was that Anet let IWAY go on for sooo long that rank's importance dropped. I am not blaming Anet for FoTM and the fact that people like getting fame for doing next to nothing, it's just human nature.
When all the "old-school" people played the builds they ran were unique and took some actual thinking to run, except for spirit spam. Go look at a few observer mode matches and try playing some HA and then see what you find.I stopped playing GW as much as I used to but I still log in every once in a while to talk to some people and maybe even play. For the past 2-3 weeks all I have seen is:
SF heroway
dual paragon dual thumper build
Signet of mystic wrath spike
An occassional degen/hex build

There may be other builds that people are running but I haven't really seen them. I can't help but agree with the OP that Anet's attention to HA has decreased. I don't really have any ideas to Anet because they are pretty much caught between a rock and a hard place. If they change it back to 8v8 then IWAY comes back and all the current metagame builds get empowered. Keeping it as 6v6 spawns more of the "i hate n00b pve'er threads". Fixing SF by making it have a larger recharge like 15 seconds or maybe 10. What I think they should do with heroes is completely take them out of PvP except for the Heroes Arena and just make it so if you get an error7 or if someone leaves then you get a henchman.

The reason that GvGers look down on HA is because the quality of players has decreased. Many good players left GW because they either got bored or they hated the fact that anet made it easier for anyone to get fame.


I have no idea what I just wrote because I was watching tv but I think it makes sense ><
After reading some of the other posts here I can safely say that Searing Flames is not just a spell ingame it is also what many of the threads have become here.

There’s been lots of threads similar about pvp being ignored lately.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10077089
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10076837

This one actually has something might be of some merit, but again shows how much people are willing to grind for fame and rank.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10076504

I’d rather Anet kill runners in randumbs then worry about heroes using searing flames though.

Why is this purely "flame" post with absolutely no solid evidence supporting it still open =P

Agree totally. HA has always been a mess.

GvG gives you a chance to compete in tournaments where there is good prize money and travel to different countries. It also lets you pit against the games' best PvPers from all around the world, testing how really leet you are holding and trying to win a game within 20 minutes or more.

HA, pwnface here and there, run relics, interrupt there, go again if failed, wash, rinse and repeat and grats, you now got a phoenix emote.

"Rank elitism exists for a reason. A lot of people who HA have no business being in good teams"
in other words noobs dont try and play HA because im the elite. Oh no there letting in henchies and heros now anyone can play HA oh no, im no longer the elite, please anet dont make everyone equal in HA so that only noobs can get a team together, go back to the old way, were rank was everything. Rank should be the end all be all right? Noobs who needs em, um ya, some people just dont like change.

I like the change myself, now its made so that even the first time player can get 2 or 3 people together and have a go at HA and may even get a few wins in.

we're not discussing here is gvg is better than ha. it has no relevance and it's stupid to compare those 2 areas. players who chose to primary do gvg and actually get on top have more time to put into this game. HA is more for the casual player.

you have to gvg daily to maintain your guild rank, you always have to have a constant team that meets on pre-established hours if u wanna be top 20. i mean there's no point to gvg unless ur trying to get on top just as there's no point to HA if u don't rank up.

the HA player can play whenever he wants with whoever he wants. i can very well not play for a week and i don't lose anything, unlike gvg. i'm mad that anet took the fun out wat WAS a higher-end pvp experience for ppl that have a busy life.

these days HA getting emptier, there's less ppl and less districts. it's clear that the 6v6 and heroes were the worse move possible. the newer guys thinking this change was good must have never experienced a GOOD balanced team in 8v8.

it's true that things were never perfect with HA but at least it was fun. you had a chance to be original if u wanted, not every1 played iway. districts were full, you had to try many times to get into id1. you had many ppl to chose from when making a team.

i cannot possibly understand WHY anet thought 6v6 and heroes was going to be better. they still can't get it into their THICK minds that ppl enjoyed that 6v6 week-end BECAUSE OF THE DOUBLE FAME not the 6v6. every player and their grandma got at least r3 during that week-end, it was normal they were happy, but making such a big change based on that is an act of idiocy.

That is a good question.

Anet does not ignore the PvP community. Though they take a good deal of time getting around to us that's true of pretty much every aspect, and considering they're developing a new stand alone game each 6 months while providing constant updates and weekend events, it's not too much of a suprise. If you need proof look at the PvP characters now. That was being yelled about for a looong time, and though not every PvP'er may agree that it is a huge boon for PvP, the discussion had been going on for quite some time. So Anet certainly pays attention to PvPers but lets get real here for a moment: You're wants are not everyone elses wants. Period. Anet can only hope to cater to the majority, and you really can't fault them for doing it. I'm not sure why this thread has been aloud to continue, digressing as it has from the original title. But those are my two cents.

Yes cater to the PvE players which in turn ruined HA. Do you see any PvP polls going up? Do you see a PvP rep in game? There was nothing wrong with HA when it was 8v8 and without heroes. If it's not broken anet please don't try and repair it.

I think they are just on their PvE stage right now. Proph was a PvE game for the most part, yes peopel did PvP but it was centered around PvE. Factions changed that by rushing peopel to level 20, giving them max armor and access to all sorts of good skills. So Factions was for PvP. Nightfall turned it back into PvE, so if the pattern continues we may see the next game like a Factions clone and rush to 20 etc.

I do both PvP and PvE almost equally. Though I fail to see why rank matters. I am rank 4 almost 5 and I will join groups with no rank if the build is fine. Random groups just won't get anywhere. I help my unranked guildies gain fame and it doesn't bother me. I jooin ranked groups when they are available but do not give special preference.

So I think the next game should bring more focus on to the PvP aspect of the game if Anets pattern continues.

Might have missed it if someone already said it, but consider this...

It doesn't matter how good you are at PVE.. you could be the absolute best, no questions about it, PVE player(s) in the entire world, and all you get from ANET is a few titles for your characters.

PVP on the other hand actually comes with the chance at very real $$CASH$$ prizes for those of you good enough to earn them.

Sure PVE gets thrown some pretty nice bones with each campaign, but unlike the ones in PVP, the PVE bones don't come with meat.

To use a GW analogy.. We all get to play the game, but PVE players will never get a gold.. or more precisely.. a green drop.

The more i read about the QQing over HA, the more convinced i am that Anet has made the right move with both the 6v6 and Heros.

Anet stopped caring about PvP? Rofl.

Lets put it this way, PVE = fighting mindless machines that don't think, you can get to a certain point in PVE, there is no more difficulty as the AI does not adapt to your actions and will react the same way every time.

PVP on the other hand is about fighting opponents that react adapt, and think. You will never be able to defeat a human with the ease that you defeat AI.

Do people win money for being good at Half Life 2, or at Counter Strike: Source?

Is a Baseball player payed to play against other teams or to hit balls at a batting cage?

HA Mess? There is no HA mess... I believe it has made HA DECENT now that the "8v8 uber cookie cutter madness" has been morphed into a "6v6 less-cookie-cutter-madness" type of deal. Spikes are less effective, making balanced more viable. And since balanced is more viable, it creates a nice little window for PvE-ers like myself to join in on the fun. Don't have IWAY or Oppressive Gaze? No problem, J-Up on a balanced group and run what you're good at

Can someone please tell me why is HA fixed?
If someone cant even get a group why do they still deserve to play? That's just one of the basic requirement. If you want to play get ourself a team. It's as ridiculous as a mute complainning not being able to join a singing contest.

Don't say you cant get a group becoz of no rank, i'm sure there are more than 6 people in the district that's unranked. (or everyone in the district are ranked only you are not lol).

Nobody ever said u need a rank to make team. There's no excuse for someone not being able to make a team.