When did Anet decide to stop caring about PvP?

Randomway Ftw

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

Ottawa, Canada

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Originally Posted by Priest Of Sin
HA Mess? There is no HA mess... I believe it has made HA DECENT now that the "8v8 uber cookie cutter madness" has been morphed into a "6v6 less-cookie-cutter-madness" type of deal. Spikes are less effective, making balanced more viable. And since balanced is more viable, it creates a nice little window for PvE-ers like myself to join in on the fun. Don't have IWAY or Oppressive Gaze? No problem, J-Up on a balanced group and run what you're good at
I don't think that that 6v6 has eliminated so called 'cookie cutter' builds, it has just created new ones. They exist because they are simple for a PUG to play, and everybody knows the skills. Balanced does not mean joining a group with whatever random skills you happen to like, this way of thinking will not get you far, these groups usualy get destroyed in 30 seconds in the underworld. THe characters and skills in balanced builds are usualy designed to sinergize well with each other, and are usualy a collage of 'cookie cutter' builds.

0mar

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

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Originally Posted by tomcruisejr
GvG gives you a chance to compete in tournaments where there is good prize money and travel to different countries. It also lets you pit against the games' best PvPers from all around the world, testing how really leet you are holding and trying to win a game within 20 minutes or more.

HA, pwnface here and there, run relics, interrupt there, go again if failed, wash, rinse and repeat and grats, you now got a phoenix emote.
That's akin to saying everyone that competes in CAL/CEVO for CS 1.6 all want to go to CPL. It doesn't work that way. Most GvG'ers aren't in it to go to Taiwan or wherever the next championship is, most people are in it because they like to compete. I'd wager there's maybe 50 teams that make a real run for the championship tournament.

GvG commands the most respect because it's based on strategy and tactics as well as individual skill. HA used to be that before spirit spam could get you 50 fame a day. Ever since then, HA has been about rankflashing and playing for fame instead of for the competition.

Apple

Apple

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

N/Mo

I think it's pretty fricking offensive that people are bitching at Anet about not caring about PvP when PvPers just got the best damn update OF THE ENTIRE GAME SO FAR with nightfall release. So just shut up and die, imo.

0mar

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

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Originally Posted by [Apple]
I think it's pretty fricking offensive that people are bitching at Anet about not caring about PvP when PvPers just got the best damn update OF THE ENTIRE GAME SO FAR with nightfall release. So just shut up and die, imo.
well, I wouldn't be quite as harsh to the OP, but yea, there's really no point in bitching because Anet fixed 75-90% of the issues in PvP.

Deacon Roswell

Deacon Roswell

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

San Diego

Absence of Evidence [AoE]

Stop whining, they didn't forget about PvP. GW:F was ALL about PvP and a terrible game for PVE players. It looks like every other game will be based on PVP so for GW:N you PVPers will have to deal with a subpar game like we PVEers did with GW:F.

0mar

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

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Originally Posted by Deacon Roswell
Stop whining, they didn't forget about PvP. GW:F was ALL about PvP and a terrible game for PVE players. It looks like every other game will be based on PVP so for GW:N you PVPers will have to deal with a subpar game like we PVEers did with GW:F.
GWF was not all about PvP, despite what Anet says It added a couple new arenas for RA/TA, and 4 Guild Halls. That's it, in terms of new PvP content. ABs were and are still a complete joke for PvP. Hell, for 3-4 months, PvP characters couldn't even get there.

GWNF did more for PvP than Factions ever did. Templates are PvP-centric. They have some uses in PvE (mainly outfitting your heroes), but they really shine in PvP. Likewise, the new PvP creation process is much more streamlined.

Curse You

Curse You

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

South Pole

The Magus Order

N/Mo

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Originally Posted by Oceans Fury
Now gtfo.

Half of you dont even HA enough to experience the vast fu** up HA is now. Stop supporting 6v6 just so you have to find only 3 vim trappers instead of 5.

SF is.. well lets just say it probably needs a little nerf, like a recharge or a cast time.
Wait, doesn't VIM trapping not work anymore?

Searing Flames in overpowered?
"Oh NOES! I keep dying from the SAME ATTACK. It must be overpowered because my build has always been SO good."
Ever tried Protective Spirit? How about something called Diversion, or interupts? How about scattering, so that the AoE only hits one person?


I love how people call themselves PvP experts, and then have a PvE player tell them the facts.

B Ephekt

B Ephekt

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

Team Crystalline [TC]

Mo/

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Originally Posted by 0mar
HA has always been a godsdamn mess. Go do some GvGs, which is the only real form of Pvp that commands respect.
Why should anyone care what other people respect? I'm sorry but your opinion isn't that important. HA was fun for many people, which is why they played it. It's really awesome if you don't enjoy HA, but why should anyone else care what you respect?
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HA/HoH is just an incestous cesspool of rankflashing, FotM builds and gimmicks. It's been that way ever since spirit spamming could get you 50 fame a day.
Are you serious? Any decent balanced build with half way decent players can easily get well over 100 fame a day. Furthermore, spirt spam was just a broken mechanic, and I'm pretty sure it was used in GvG as well, so try to be more informed and accurate if you're going to bring up extremely old issues.

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Anet, in the last month, has just about fixed every issue in PvP. PvP-only characters are now on-par with the best PvE characters. It no longer takes 45 minutes to setup an entire team with PvP characters. Armor-swapping has been removed. There was a major skill re-balance. Just about everything that needed to be done was done. If anything, Anet has shown their dedication to making GW PvP a competitive game. As a primarily PvP'er, I am very grateful to Anet for the job they've done in the last month.
Yes, this is all fine and good, and I for one DO appreciate these updates. However, the 6v6 update and map changes were nearsighted, half-assed "fixes" that didn't really address any of the issues that plagued tombs. The tombs format is still as broken as it was; the lack of map diversity, game types, and win conditions favor total defense builds. This is compounded by the retarded cap and hold mechanic that’s present in 3 of the 8 maps in the tournament.

OK, so 6v6 tossed up the meta a bit, but it's now settled back to only a handfull of builds again. We've traded VIM, IWAY, smite, holding spikes and blood spike for smite, heroway, searing flames and paragon holding builds. Well, forgive me if I don't blindly applaud the vast improvements in the format.

Thallandor

Thallandor

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Singapore

Seers of Serpents [SoS]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by [Apple]
I think it's pretty fricking offensive that people are bitching at Anet about not caring about PvP when PvPers just got the best damn update OF THE ENTIRE GAME SO FAR with nightfall release. So just shut up and die, imo.
QFT.

I loled, good stuff

Durge Ironbreak

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2006

UK

Solstice of Midnight [SOM]

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Originally Posted by Y O U Lo Se
ppl start talking about rank elitism, which doesnt excist, ALL players had a hard time getting their r3, but we all got it because we were motivated. Elitism isnt the problem, new players attitude is.
That's the biggest load of Dolyak poop I have ever read. Rank elitism is all you ever see in PvP, hell, PvPers that happen to be in a PvE environment even try to play the " I'm Rank 6 so therefore I am better than you !! " card all the time. This, by the way, isn't some gripe from some PvP noob who hopes one day to be able to flash a Bambi.

PvP !! Been there !! Done that & all I got was Tiger, well that and an utter distain for PvP, HA and the continuous pampering that Anet gives to the PvP cry-baby community.

I used to play with some fairly big names in HA PvP until I got bored of it all, I mean lets face it just how exciting is the same half dozen maps against the same dozen teams doing the same handful of builds every day for several months. How many times did I ever see a R9 team take a non R9 player into the team ?? Never !! Hell even if you were R8 you would be dissed and dismissed as " Not as leet as them !! "

HA is a joke and not because of rank elitism nor because of the 6v6 thing that has since been implimented. I went back to HA after getting so utterly bored in Factions ( which by the way was pretty much only a thinly veiled poor excuse from Anet to allow PvP players to make more money ). Where was everyone ?? The American districts were empty, everyone was in the international districts. Okay fighting in HA was supposed to be about winning favor of the Gods for the American, European, Korean districts etc etc. There should have never been an International district in HA it makes the whole favor system a complete joke as unless you are in a guild group ( and even then not always ) who you are fighting for favor for is now simply pot-luck not that PvPers do or ever have given a toss about favor.

As I had been out of PvP for a while I decided to drop my rank title and get in on the ground floor so to speak so I could learn what the new builds where and what changes had been made to the pre-existing builds. After several days of standing about trying to even get into one group and not even managing that because I had no title shown I reconsidered that idea. Getting flamed in local by R1 groups because they thought I didn't have any rank at all for several days leaves a somewhat bitter taste in your mouth but I was not ready to quit yet.

So a quick tick of a box and a /rank later and hey-presto I'm suddenly not a R0 noob except now I'm expected to know every build, every skill bar and every attribute spread with eidetic memory. There was no way for me to win, no one would take the time to give me skill bars or explain what changes had taken place, to them I may as well have been a zero fame noob, even the people who I had previously played on a daily basis with treated me with distain and refused to add me to the group simply because they were all a single rank higher by that point than I was.

PvP is all about elitism, it always has been.

I for one am sick of the PvP cry-baby attitude, I'm sick of Anet nerfing PvE just to balance out PvP all the fraking time. PvPers get everything handed to them on a platter and still all they do is moan and cry like little girls. If you are not happy with the game then frak off and go play WoW and leave us in peace.

When Anet gives the PvE community a way of winning thousands of dollars in a regular event then you have the right to come and complain about the fairness of the game, til then STFU !!

phasola

phasola

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

EaT

Mo/

I wonder how much HA experience people that praise 6v6 and Heroes have...

JR

JR

Re:tired

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/

This thread is possibly the most pointless, ridiculous and mundane collection of complete toss that I have ever read.