Map Completion Individual Percentials

/signed. Make this into a poll so we can better keep track of who thinks what?

I've read all the posts.

As far as I understand, those that are against the idea (in their majority) are the ones who have already that title. I do understand the psychology "I have done it the hard way, why should you do it in an easier way and get the same reward? It's not FAIR!!".

That is exactly what my 4 year old daughter cries all the time! (My 6 year old son has grown past that behaviour).

Guys just because you did it the hard way (well done, ... really!) it doesn't mean that everyone else has to do it that way. This is true in EVERY mmorpg game. Usually the players that are playing from the very beginning have to put up with the initial "glitches" of the game. (And this is what it is : a glitch). As the game goes on, it is getting easier in certain aspects and harder in others.

Just because you finished Tyria without the help of Heroes, it means that noone else should use Heroes in Tyria? (But that's UNFAIR!! boohoooooo)

Just because the drops in the past where not gold, purple..., it means that noone else should have their drops colored?

This is the nature of ALL mmorpgs!

ANet has gone into so much trouble and have really thought through this game to get rid of the cumbersome, frustrating, unproductive, infuriating aspects of other MMORPG games. Map traver is just one great example.

This is what makes this game, really stand out of the croud. I am sure that ANet's intention is NOT to have players go though every corner of the map, over and over again just to get the titles.

I know that you will tell me that it is supposed to be difficult to get the GrandMaster Cartographer title. I will agree with you. But isn't it difficult and extremely time consuming for someone to go through ALL the map even once?!!

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Another reason people mention is that it will be easier than other titles.

Well, who said that all titles should be of the same difficulty.
Who said that all titles ARE of the same difficulty??!!

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If somebody is annoyed that if you do this the KofaBD title will be easier to get, then increase the title to 6 or 7.. !!

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Whatever the case, there should be a fix to this. In my opinion this is a bug, or at least an omition on the part of ANET. I am sure that their purpose was NOT to make us do TEDIOUS, BORING and TIME DEVOURING things just to get a title. The game has so many enjoyable parts, and is so diverse that finding the tiniest ichy bitty part of the map looks so OUT OF THE PICTURE for the general direction of the game.

As far as the ones who have attained the title in the "Hard Way", and are crying : "IT's NOT FAIR" maybe ANET can provide them with a special item as a reward. Maybe a GMC pacifier, or a "How to get a life" GMC book, or a "Forgive, Forget and Go ON" permanent enchantment??

King Symeon, please include this proposal in the Index of proposed Ideas. Thank you :-)

/SIGNED

It's not that it's "not fair".

But you sound more like my 5 year old daughter; I can't do this, it's too hard, can you do it for me.

How much more can Anet dumb down the game for players who have no desire to put any effort into what supposed to be the "grind" factor for those that had competed the specific campaign.

Why do you want this title? To be able to let others know that you have been and seen all of this continent.

If that is not your reason for wanting this title, then simply put - you do not deserve the title.

/Signed

Getting the title should come from the exploration, not searching where else you can explore.
Why do we have to explore the entire continent more than once just because we missed a few spots?

Dougal in this thread and the other one "Help for Cartographers" you mention that if I explore you guarantee that I am going to get this title.

I totally agree with you that this title should come from exploration. I own all campaigns. I decided to get this title first from Elona. So when I restarted I did a lot of exploring the first time I entered every map. So with a LOT of effort and systematically I uncovered 96,8% of the map.

So I did explore every part of the map. I am sure that you will agree that there is not a part of explorable Elona that I haven't seen. I did it knowing that it would take much more time and effort. Nobody did that for me. It didn't hap-hazardly happen. And nobody will do that for me as you are suggesting Dougal, once they put the percentiles on the maps.

The reasons I didn't get 100% is because there are really tiny bits of unexplored map scattered all over Elona. Or even explored map of Elona that due to the lag of the server they didn't register as explored.

And I am repeating again. ANET's intention is obviously NOT to make us do trivial tasks. Because this is not difficult, its trivial, time consuming and kinda masochistic. If they wanted to, they would ask us to travel on foot between cities. They would ask us to do quests from Ascalon to Beetletun and back for 500gp.

Don't confuse difficult with trivial. Difficult is finishing mallyx the unyielding quest, which requires team building, thought and strategy. I am sure that this is what ANET wants us to spend time on, and occupy our heads, and ENJOY!! Wall hugging.... it is a bug and they should fix it.

btw... my 4 year old daughter wants to do everything on her own!! (kids!... pfff).

AGAIN TOTTALY SIGNED.

Unfortunately you dont seem to appreciate that GWs is a grinding game. Most aspects of the game are achieved by doing endless tasks over and over again. That is the side effect on an MMO or what ever you want to call GWs.

This is even true for protector title, treasure hunter and wisdom. Protector because once you have completed a mission, your grinding to get master or the bonus.

Its all about grinding.

We cant escape that, but that doesnt mean we should make achieving a title easier, just beacuse it takes alot of grinding or time to achieve.

You also cant compare the way quests work to how titles are achieved. The quest and mission side of GWs isnt meant to be time consuming and grinding, it shouldnt take huge amounts of effort to get them. And it doesnt.

How ever titles should take time and grinding. Titles are not a necessity in GWs, they are a luxary which you work for.

As I said in your thread, I have all 3 100%s. It took me around 16 months to get, and YES it was grinding and at times I felt like hitting the desk. But that grinding adds to the satisfaction once you achieve it.

Consider how many grandmaster cartographers you see in your average city or town? You maybe see 1 or 2 every hour or couple of hours. Its not a widely achieved title, because it takes grinding and not alot of people are willing to stick at it.

Wouldnt you rather say to yourself "I stuck at it, I worked my ass off to get this title, I didnt give up and I didnt need Anet to add new features"?

As I also said in your post, adding 100% levels for areas or highlights for uncovered sections is a bad idea. As is doing anything to aid exploration.

Its intended to be a time consuming, grinding title and it should be.

If it was just a case of opening the map, looking at where areas are highlighted or seeing which sections you dont have 100% on, then it would be a walk in the park.

There are long standing and effective methods to help exploreres. Compare 100% maps to your own maps and find the variations.

And as I also said in the other thread, the 100% title already has a stigmata for being "easy to achieve". A comment which comes from most players who just cant be bothered to try it. They dont realise how hard it can be.

If we added these features, they would start saying a baby could achieve it and they would be right.

Unfortunately it seems to me that you can't tell the difference between grinding and trivially useless.

Nobody complained about Protector title, nor about Wisdom or treasure hunter. Not me, not anyone else. There are other people though that do understand the difference!


I thank god that this game is NOT all about grinding. I have spent unbelievalbe long hours in Earth and Beyond in becoming a "Master Weapons Builder". That was unbelievable grinding. Doing the same mission over and over and over and over again for days!!! I believe that this is the reason that people love this game. And I am speculating that this is why ANET made sure it was NOT about grinding.

I am NOT compairing quests and titles. I am saying (speculating) that ANET's intention was to eliminate the grinding from this game and that is the reason that Guild Wars is such an exceptional game. The fact that they haven't included the percentiles is because they didn't have the GMC title from the very beginning (so I've read) and the fact that they haven't come round to it yet to fix it.


Exactly what I said. Why would you get the same reward with less effort? It's not fair!!

Well I am not going to spend 16 months to get 100% on all 3. I've got much better things to do with my life and the game. If Anet adds the percentiles, which I think that they will, sooner or later then I will go for the title. If not there is no way I am going to do it. But it is not because I can't. Anybody can get a GMC title. Anybody who has enough time in their hands, and a strong desk to withstand the banging.

Have you ever thought that the reason you don't see a lot is because there are a lot of people who want to enjoy the other aspects of the game? Enjoy is the key word here. Did you really enjoy the hundreds of hours you waisted in finding that spot you missed?

I have a job and a family. I don't want to escape from my working life just to get to another game and "work my ass off". I want to play a game and enjoy it. Hugging walls might be your idea of fun, but definitely not mine! And I hope not Anet's either.

What I would rather say to my self is "I stuck with it, I enjoyed maping all of Elona, I didn't give up and I got the title." What is wrong with that?


I certainly hope that you are mistaken!

It would be a walk in the park compared to what you did for 16 months. But NO it is not smt that everyone would want to invest time in, and not everyone would get that title, because it involves time, effort and dedication.


A baby can achieve it and I know I am right even now!! As I told you it is not a matter of wits, or superior strategy to achieve the title. It's just a matter of time and having nothing else to do with your life. Now that I think about it, maybe I should ask my son to spend a few hours every day exploring maps.

Whatever the case I would like to see that proposal in the index of ideas, and definitely a poll to see what people thing.

/Signed

/signed but make it start at 90% undstead of 95%.

I didnt spent 16 months, 24/7 getting the title. It took me 16 months because I played about 1 or 2 hours a night. Had I been on for hours on end, it probably would have taken a fraction of the time.

But like you, I have better things to do, like have a life.

But the cartog title is fine as it is, we dont need help doing it. Otherwise it will be as easy as everyone says it is.

They did not put the percentiles in the beginning (when the titles were introduced around the release of Factions) was because they didn't want players to get this or any other maxed title without some effort.

The titles, except for Sunspear, Lightbringer, Wisdom Seeker, and Treasure Hunter convey no in game (PvE only) bonus.

The titles were added for those players that had done all the missions and quests and had nothing more to do in the game. So instead of losing these players, they introduced titles.

These titles require playing over and over in each area.

If you are Skill capping in Tyria, you will have to enter each area, where there are elite bosses, at least 5 times.

If you are going for GMC, and you use a running skill - you will not get the title, or the credit for explorable area. You must go and edge, or "hug" every wall, nook, and cranny. This title is for those that are persistent and stubborn enough to dig in the corners.

Actually, some of those with Tyrian GMC, have cleared the entire map at least twice. I know I have cleared some high end areas about five times.

Example:
If they added your zone percentiles, you'll see that you have 99.8% for Mineral Springs, 99.4% for Hell's Precipice, and 96.4% for Dunes of Despair. From your tone within this thread, you would start another thread asking Anet to increase the Fog/Clear difference to make your mapping that much easier.

Solution:
Submit your maps to the threads in Tyrian Explorer's League, Canthan Explorer's League, and Elonan Explorer's League.

This should be fairly easy to implement as the data pertaining to each character is seperated. But as one of the other posters has said instead of on the main map it should show when you enter each area. And another point I agree on is it shouldn't show until you have at least 90% or more of the total map done. Seeing as I have GrandMaster Cartographer for Tyria and Cantha on my Elementalist some of you will realize that this took a great deal of time and effort on my part (my last bit for Tyria was just north of the Citadel which I thought I had explored completely). Wall hugging aside even with the % shown it will still be difficult to get just as of some of the detractors have said due to the wall hugging that has to be done.
Also only a few titles impress me. Two of which are GMC and Survivor due to the time and effort required to get either of them.

/SIGNED

Mega Mouse

It should start showing when a person reaches 99%

Because anyone with less than 99% and complaining that they cannot find more sots to map means that they missed a huge part of wall hugging.

That does not make any sense either.
You know that there will be more chapters coming and the people that are into mapping will map the new chapter.
So whoever is done with the current 3 chapters does not have the incentive to actually say why others get to do it the easy way because if this is implemented then it will be in the future chapters as well.

Mapping should be a challenge and again, if you come saying I'm at 98% and cannot find anything, that means that you have not mapped well.

Im sorry, but the word hypercrit comes to mind.

As Dougal said also, your winging like a 4 year old because its too hard and you want it made easier.

Should we not have to work for stuff?
Do you not teach your 4 year old daughter then stuff is worth working for?
If you set your daughter a task which was really hard, but would benefit her, and she then came and cried because its too hard, would you cave in and do it for her? or make it easier for her?

You could say the same thing about 90% of the entire game. There are sections of the game which some people will find hard, while others find them easy. There will be other sections which some people have worked hard to get, while others complain their too hard to achieve.

Does that mean we make those bits easier aswell?

Ofcourse not because it shows it can be done. If I, Dougal and others can all get 100% using the methods we did, then there is no reason you and others cant. We've proven it works, so do it the way we did.

So yes, why shouldnt we be annoyed if we worked our asses off to achieve something and then someone asks for it to be made easier?

I say thats justified.

For the 100th time.... there ways of helping you do the cartog title. Find a 100% map, and compare it to your own. Post your maps in the countless forums on guru and ask people like Dougal to check them for you.

Thats what we all did and it worked great. We dont need this % system for areas. Just use the resources you have at hand and work for it. As I also said, I didnt spent 24/7 of the last 16 months getting my titles. I did a few hours a night of exploring and staring at maps. I took my time because I knew it would drive me insain exploring for hours on end.

Just do it in your spare time, its hardly a life threatening situation if you dont have 100%. You'l get it eventually if you just stick at it like we all did.

I can only agree with your freekedoutfish.

Coming close to 100% on all three continents it's a timeconsuming and sometimes annoying task but so much more rewarding once you've actually achieved it.

But then again this is what a lot of the playerbase is like.
"Make it easier", "It takes too long", "We work all day and don't want to do it again here"
Come on. Get a grip.

So you mean to tell me that there were some intelligent people sitting around a table and trying to find out how they would not loose those players that had done everything. And they came up with wall hugging?!!! Hmm... let's not add new areas. Let's not add more difficult quests. I know !!! Let's make them go around every corner there is on the map, at least twice!! THAT should keep them from leaving !! I certainly hope/wish you are mistaken


Where did you understand that from??!!


Obviously you didn't read carefully what I am saying. I didn't say that I have xx% and cannot find anything else to map... I am saying that it is very trivial to find the last pieces. I never said that I cannot do it. I said that I will not do it. And NOT because it is too difficult. For crying out loud, what is so difficult in hugging walls people!!! IT IS NOT DIFFICULT... it's trivial, it's time consuming, it's totally ... OUT of this GAME !!!

What I am saying is just MY OPINION. I am speculating that the intention of Anet was not to make us go wall hugging. I don't like it and I don't feel that this is Anet's idea for an interesting game.

I might be mistaken. If I am, and THAT was Anet's idea then I will be dissapointed, but I will not change my mind. NOT because I am a fanatic, but because your arguments just "don't cut it".

Especially the one that freekedoutfish mentioned about the task that would benefit my daughter. Well first of all I am not a 4 year old, and I know that wall hugging will not benefit me in any conceivable way! Other than getting the title, which of course I am not going to get, although I would like to, if it were less trivial and much much much much less frustrating and mindblowingly boring.

That is why I am suggesting what I am suggesting. It is my opinion and it is my belief that it is ANET's idea as well. You can of course defend your opinion, but the end decision is ANET's. I think that what has been said already is more than enough to make their mind. A poll would help a lot too. Although I am almost sure of what the result will be.

Time will show what is in ANET's mind.

Thank you all for your ideas and opinions.

oh!! Before I forget....


/totally signed !!

I am mixed on the idea as I am attempting to get the Grand master titles.

What I had thought of was when I ran into a mapmaker NPC in Cantha, and I though that it would be a great idea to go to one of these NPCs and have the examine your "Map", and they can tell you "Everything looks good, but in the desert area it looks a little incomplete".

You could also have the NPC charge you so we have a gold sink, and for those that want some hints it tells you the areas that you should go uncover, this way you don't have to use it if you want the challenge of doing it all yourself.

I've made your statement bold.

If you're not going to do it in the first place... what the hell are you ranting about then?

I actually think the titles such as exploration were one of the best changes they made. I think rewarding exploration was a great idea. I liked exploring the game before they added the titles, so I found/find it fun to explore.

I dont personally find it mindumbingly boring to hug walls and explore every nuck and cranny, and to find those areas which you know few people have been to.

There are some really nice places in the game that you wouldnt otherwise find if you didnt need to for exploration. So it is beneficial in that sense. But if you dont enjoy exploring, then why are bothered about it and why are you posting in a thread about it?

And you honestly think its easy to explore? you think 100% is nothing more then hugging walls? You really have noooo idea.

You cant just casually walk into every location in GWs and have a casual strole around every wall. Alot of areas are filled with high end mobs which take alot of determination to get passed.

If your a warrior or a ranger or a monk im sure thats a walk in the park if you can tank or heal or run. But most other professions are going to have a hard time.

It really annoys me when people reduce the GMC title to nothing more then a wall hugging title. Its soo much more then that.

As for Anet adding titals to keep players in the game; ofcourse they did. Anet are a company and they soon realised that once you complete quests, you dont have alot else to work for other then armor and weapons and farming.

titals were added to keep people around, to give them occupied until the next expansion. They are intended to be grinding in some respects because of that.

And now im going to make the KOABD statement that i make alll the time.

If GMC and other titles were made easier, just because people cant be bothered to put the time and effort in, then it would devalue the KOABD title. People could pick up 6 titles at the click of a finger and it would be meaningless.

Players make such huge crys and complains about how titles are hard to get. Its for a damn good reason. Titles are meant to be hard to get, because otherwise we would have KOABDs running around all over the place.

Titles are status symbols, and you work for them, you dont just wake up in the morning and ask Anet to give you one in 10 minutes.

I think the better way to make this easier is to make it so you don't have to squeeze into every corner. Sure you have to walk the whole map but the edges should appear easier and not make you move back and forth in the same spot just to get that small area you didn't even know was there until you compare it to a finished map.

Making another point. I agree with the previous poster. Why are you doing it if it means nothing to you?

As for "IT IS NOT DIFFICULT".

You get yourself a nice hench or heroe party from Beacons perch and have a nice casual, easy strole south towards the war camp. Just ingore all the nasty monsters who will just let you strole on past, not attacking you, and letting you hug all those walls to your hearts content.

Or if you want to, you can go north from the war camp to beacons perch. Its a nice view, and a nice walk. Im sure all those mountain drawfs and alike, wont touch you. They like to see people exploring and they cheer them on.

Notice the sarcasm in that.

For anyone to possible say its easy to explore, youve obviously never even tried, or you gave up at the first sign of difficulty and just though "meh... I cant be bothered, I could do that, but im not going to try... instead Ill winge and ask for them to make it easier."

The simple fact is that it wouldnt make it any easier. In Tyria, you can tell where the last place you need is. Its nearly ALWAYS the path south from beacons perch and that is anything but easy. You dont need % levels to tell you, that you need that area.

You would still need to work your ass off and put some effort in and fight you way down and believe me ITS FRUSTRATING and ITS ANNOYING. But somehow I dont expect your the kind of person who is willing to do that.

Exploration is not easy.

Well I thought it could be over but let me just make a few ending remarks.
As far as difficulty is concerned.

Since exploring is soooooo much more than that, and it is difficult, why are you so against the percentiles? As you said the percentiles will not make it any easier fighting the mobs.

btw.. I have beacon's perch and that area. But the truth is that I have explored it with level 20 heroes. Full of Sup Runes. MM and 2 SF Nukers. Well to tell you the truth it was NOT difficult. Just time consuming.

The truth is that I do respect what you GMC's have done. Maybe you've explored the areas with henchies from Tyria. That I know would be difficult. But I've started playing two months ago. Few days before NF came out. I have finished all 3 campaigns and I am protector in 2 of them. I also have skill hunter, treasure hunter and wisdom on level 1. I am also MC in Elona, and Trailblazer in the other two. That's not bad if you consider that I have finished Cantha with a 2nd character and Elona with a 3rd one in these 2 months. I am not afraid of difficult.

IT IS JUST MY opinion from my personal experience. And as I told you guys, I speculate that this is not Anet's intention.

As far as your comment Emik , I believe that your problem is reading comprehension. Please read the thread and don't isolate one sentence. FIRST understand what I am saying and THEN try to make "smart" comments.

Guys, let's end this and let Anet decide what they will do. I believe that they have the input and arguments that they need.

Not signed.

I doubt that this is even feasible, considering that you can map bits of areas adjacent to the one you're in, meaning that there's probably no seperate fog area but rather a big carpet that you just need a certain percentage of to get the 100% title.

On top of this, having read through the thread, people who're wanting this seem to want these titles served on silver platters. One part that I have found to help me retain interest in Guild Wars after completing the campaigns has been the title system, and especially the cartographer titles. If these are made just as easy as the rest of the game, what is going to keep you coming back?

I see the less than mature arguments from some saying that people who disapprove of this proposal are infantile, while asking to be spoon-fed themselves. You have to understand that in a game with 20 easily attained levels and rather linear and limited post-endgame gameplay, removing the few incentives there are to keep you playing is counter-productive and wholly unnecessary.

If you want to finish the game, nothing's holding you back. If you want to grind for things after you've finished the game, put some effort into it.

/notsigned

GMC doesn't need to be made even more trivial. Anet already gave you a lot of leeway. A lot of people already have this title, so there clearly isn't any need for it to be made easier. If you want it, you can work for it like everyone else.

The only way I would support this is if people who used this feature got a different title, like "Cheating Master Cartographer".

/notsigned.

not supposed to be easy

better yet, why not just a hero command to [scout the area] you enter a zone and 5 minutes later your heroes come back and compile 100% map of the area for you.... /sarcasm
/not signed (what Dougal said)

I really don't understand why you're being sarcastic and why you believe that we want this served on a silver plater?

When someone get's GMC with this way, will he not map the entire map?
will he not fight all the mobs in the continent?
will he not invest a lot of time and effort?
will he not be doing it deliberately? or do you think that it will happen by chance?

The truth is that it will be less boring and frustrating that before. I would say that we give them the title GMC. But for the ones they got it the old way, let's give them the title Grinding GMC. Satisfied?

If you had a Grandmaster Cartography title, you'd realise that the effort isn't in killing mobs. That's not what makes it an impressive title. It's in finding out where the hell those last few percentages are.

If it was as simple as just killing mobs, we'd all have Grandmaster Cartography titles. Find that boring? Apparently a good deal of the rest of feel that it's worth it. If you don't like it, you can always stop going for it. It has no extra benefits. If the only reward to it is the honour, then dumbing it down is pretty silly.

/not signed

I know there's the grind factor in exploring, where you might have missed a spot that doesn't even show up on your map. But still, exploring has enough leeway as it is, I don't like the idea of making it even easier.

It has more of a feeling of exploring this way, when you go into the unknown looking for that last evasive spot.

You have only been playing for 2 months, yet you start moaning about how time consuming something is.
I've been playing for over 19 months now and I've never ever complained about anything taking too much time and effort. Why? Because I appreciate every little aspect from the game.
If it took freekedoutfish over 16 months to get all three of his titles try to use this as an estimate and don't come in here whining about how hard it is.µ
From what I can tell you haven't even made an effort.
Guess that proves how different we are.
As for saying that I isolate a single sentence from your reply, you couldn't possibly be more wrong. I've read every little argument you wrote but still i single that one little thing out to show you what your entire post is about.
Ranting.
GMC title is NOT impossible and asking here to make it easier so you can achieve it faster proves that you can't be arsed to make the effort.
Which brings me back to my previous reply.
If you don't plan on getting the GMC title anyways, don't complain about it.

/notsigned,

however i would like them to remove the clouds from the "M" map so i can take a better screenie for comparison

Use the minimap

well..i want to get that title too for elona.sure
/signed

i changed my mind../notsigned

So which continent are you having issues exploring? because both Cantha and Elona are easy, as they dont have hard sections like Tyria does.

I got 100% in Nightfall in just over a month of playing it and Cantha only took about 2 months of playing. I had experience fromd doing Tyria though.

So I can only assume it must be Tyria your having the most trouble with. And your right, I got 100% on both Tyria and cantha just before Nightfall was released, so I didnt have the benefit of full lvl20 Heroes to aid me.

Trying to get a full lvl20 team to go south from Beacons perch to explore is near impossible as alll anyone cares about is being run, and going north from the warcamp gets impossible at a point with just AI in my experience.

But you dont seem to understand that I like the difficulty of the exploration and thats WHY I dont see the need for the %s. The main reason simply being that its proven it can be done without them, so we dont need them.

GMC is a completely different title to every other title in the game.

Protector requires completing something in a set time or doing bonuses which is basically repeating the same actions over and over again until you get it right.

Teasure hunter you just run around the same high end area opening chests.

Wisdom you just need alot of gold to buy UI items to ID them.

Servivor I admit takes talent and good micro-management, but it is just basically making sure you dont die.

Faction titles just require endless playing FA.

Lightbringer and sunspear require endless farming.

GMC is the only one which requires a bit more tactic and thinking and analysis.

You have to analyse maps,
Compare images,
Retrace your steps and carefully catch every corner.
You have to fight through endless mobs to reach hard areas.
You have to go into hidden sections of missions using teleports or do missions using techiniques.

<i>I.E. teleporting into sections you couldnt otherwise reach using a corpse or teleporting over the wall in DOD and not using the ghost.</i>

There is a hell of alot more tactic to exploring maps then there are in most of the other titles. Its one of the few which requires some real effort and dedication. Do you really want to see it reduce to nothing more then counting %s on the map? It would be no more impressive them collecting luxon faction by leaching FA.

Maybe I just have some unusual love for the GMC title because I dedicated alot of time to doing it, and I love exploring. Perhaps im weird. But I truly believe its one of the more expertise titles and it should be given more respect.

Again, the simple reason we dont need this is because myself and other have proven it can be done. But that doesnt mean it takes a long time. Cantha and Elona take no time at all to explore for 100%.

And for Tyria, we have Heroes now, which make exploration 100% easier anyway, as youve shown with beacons perch. I love Heroes mind, so dont think I dont.

If you combine, heroes + % for every area, then you're making GMC an absolute walk in the park because you remove the threat from mobs and you remove the need to work hard.

I appreciate that your finding it time consuming and you perhaps dont have the time to dedicate to it. But GMC really is more for those who really want it. Its not a title for those who want something to do in their spare time, as it is frustrating.

I can see why your annoyed at trying to get it, but unless you genuinely want the title, and you'l genuinely feel fullfilled once you have it, then why bother? It this because you want to add to the KOABD count? because I dont see any other reason why your trying to achieve it.

The best ideas are the simplest ones.


/signed, good idea. (and i'm not even a cartho-hunter )