My opinion on the lack of improvements.

Well as you see, GuildWars hasnt got many improvements, to make us feel that it is worth to buy another chapter.


I wonder who is the fault.. is Anet ? Nope, we are.




When a member makes a suggestion that would be awesome on PvE, like.. Mounts (not wurms -.-), Fishing, Cooking (well.. real life skills), swiming/jumping.
Or for PvP, like.. Pet Wars.. Naval Wars.

(DUDES! THAT WAS AN EXAMPLE! IT DOESNT MEAN THAT I WOULD LIKE THAT! There are so many original sugestions.. i was just putting the ones i remembered in the time! Please.. just get my point, you know what i am saying!)

And so on...

WE ! yes WE ! always say.. go play World Of Warcraft. Why the heck do we say that? I dont give a **** about WoW, ive played it, cant stand cartoon.
I prefer GW cuz of the balance it has .. level 20, 8skills, etc.

Really.. the ppl on GW that once said "go play wow" (i did) killed GW on improvements.
Anet always see the sugestion forum, and that change the opinions on them.

I beg you guys.. do not! DO NOT! say again "go play wow". Just put /signed so Anet sees that we want all the improvements we can get.

I talked about this to some ppl (like 20), and they tottaly agree with me.


~ Time to change.

Well you have a point, but lets put it this way.

This game doesn't need mounts... it doesn't need crafting, fishing or mining. Its not a MMORPG, so it doesn't need MMORPG like features, at least not ones like those.

I not sure why you say there hasn't been improvements, because there has been plenty which are suitable for this type of game.

A fishing Mini-game would be fun, but that has been suggested many times before, and it most likely won't happen, because that is not the direction A.net wants to take their game.

Guild Wars is not a MMORPG.

Oh and I like the Wurms, they rock

what the hell is guild wars then.

If i have to log onto the internet to play the game. and i have to know people online to get into pvp.

then is that not mmorpg?

i realize that mmorpg stands for Massivly Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game

So lets check it out... guild wars is massive.. its got multiple players... its online.. you play the role of a character.. and its a game... it all adds up.

it sounds like gw is in the middle of a sever identity crissis..

Ok, why the hell should they put in features that all the other MMO;s have, like fishing, rhather than spend there time doing something DIFFERENT?

clone wars ftl


Because

Guild Wars is Competitive/Cooperative Online Role-Playing Game (CORPG)

Tired of explaining this to people:

Guild Wars is massive yes... and has many server, but its INSTANCE and focuses more on PvP gameplay...

If the developers say its not a MMORPG, then it isn't.

End of story

No... Guild Wars and its developers know what it is, you and a lot of people however don't

Well, i was just making some examples.. it doesnt mean that i like the examples i gave.

I will be happy if the people understand the point i am giving.

The game doesn't NEED them, to be sure. And I'm absolutely against taking GW in the direction of "you have to have a player armorer of XX level to make the 'Armor of Amazing stats.'" GW has made top-of-the-line gear available to everyone, and that's the way it should stay. They probably should NOT add mounts except as a special class ability, similar to ranger pets (look at the drawbacks pets bring to offset their advantages.)

If ANET does these little things right, they can be added to the game and not make GW any less unique, any less what it is. If, for example, the fishing minigame was not only added, but incorporated as a challenge mission or title track, something shiny to show off, but not essential to the rest of the game, then I don't see why they shouldn't do it.

Crafting here really wouldn't work as most MMO's do it. I can see maybe allowing players to craft weapons and armor, but there shouldn't be an advantage to crafting over going to an armorsmith, for balance reasons. And if there's no advantage, players aren't going to do it. Maybe, though. What about letting players craft weapons appropriate to their level (max damage at 20.) Add in a title track, and each time you gain a rank in that track, you unlock new skins or inherent mods (including "inscribable") that you can add to the weapon? At say rank 5, you'd be able to add any inherent mod you wanted to the weapon or armor, although the COST for each piece would be the same as though you went to an armorsmith for it.

OK, at level 5, I can make Fissure Armor, but it still costs me 15 Plat and stacks of ectos, BUT I don't have to get to the forgemaster for it, and I can craft it as sentinel's, inscribed, whatever I like...

The main thing that differentiates GW from other MMO's is that the devs here pay VERY close attention to balance issues. The (relatively) low caps in place ensure that any balance issues that DO pop up are limited in scope. I think that a lot of the ideas people liked in other games COULD be brought to GW, albeit changed to fit. Personally, I'd rather see the devs bring new stuff, things that are unique to GW, although some form of trade improvements are long overdue...

Mounts in GW just wouldn't work. You could just breeze past all the enemies and onto the boss at the end. Where's the fun in that? WoW works totally different to GW. You play a level in GW and try and complete it, you don't in true MMORPGs.

They are adding new features (unless I was the only one that got Hero's in NF). In my opinion, Anet listens more to it's customers than any other company I've known. It's OK for us to say "add this and that" but we don't know how practical these ideas are in reality. How much work would be needed to just add mounts to the game? All the extra code needed to make sure it's still a level playground and that it works well. Same with anything else. I imagine they've thought about all these things and decided it just wouldn't work. At least not in the current game. Maybe in GW 2?

I tell you what would be cool, the abilty to design your own armour. Using a crafter (not doing it yourself) a bit like the guild emblem is done. However, I can imagine that being a bitch to impliment, but would be the best feature ever.

and once all this hugely time consuming and xpensive ideas have come out, it is realised that. . .GW has no monthly fee. . .and the level of 'service' people xpect is out of proportion to what they pay.
If you want a 'fully featured' grind monkey MMORPG . . .play (and pay for) one.
Otherwise enjoy GW and L2P.

also, wtf 'lack of improvements'? Im not going to list all the improvements that GW has gone through, try looking at the updates page at the GW website. For additional fun, compare the number and scope of GW updates to another one of the grind monkey MMORPGs that you want to play, but dont want to pay for.

mounts would work perfectly fine, look at worm riding even if you have 3000 health and a skill with 50% increased running speed, your group is still dying if you try to rush past all the enemys
xyz wouldn't work/we don't need answers is on of the reasons for the lack of improvements

Or maybe mounts dont actually improve anything.................

Go play Lineage II, then.

Damn..he said just NOT to do that and you do it...wtf....you contribute to the cause of nothing changing in this game man.

No, he's not. He's making a valid point. If you want to change the whole meaning of a game, then maybe the game isn't ment to be for you.

It's as simple as that. Listen for a change. This is not the type of game that uses skills for crafting. Think of it. We're heroes trying to save the world. Not some random guy running around a field killing monsters. We're saving the world. Nobody that saves the world quits killing monsters for a while to go and chop some wood.

Guild Wars is a game, not an alternate life. We don't need more alternate life skills.

In short I have to agree with point, Guild Wars just sin't that type of game.

Guildwars is about its core concepts:
- Missions
- Linked PvE areas containing quests
- Progressively more styled armors
- Collection of skills
- PvP arenas

Anet is delivering exactly on that. Each chapter adds that. Nothing more, and nothing less.

The ammount of improvements added is also huge. Heroes are addition on top of existing gameplay model, as well as double team missions, elite missions, faction battles, change of attribute point acquisition, not to mention various UI improvements, new features, event weekends, etc.

But above all, this is what GW is. There will never be swimming, jumping, cooking, tailoring, nursing or other time sinks. Some games add that to divert away from the fact they have no content. In all such games the one and only thing you can do is grind by killing mobs over and over for either xp or loot.

You, and others who agree with you, are playing the wrong game. If you can claim there are no improvements, then there is nothing that will make you happy, and is somewhat unfair to everything that is improved monthly.

Guild Wars is action combat game. Nothing more, nothing less.

Maybe it needs some massive pvp battles, or more things for fun like a massive thunderhead keep mission where you try to defend a fort with a few parties. It may just need something new to keep interest.

Btw, no mounts please.

Yeah but it's a game that releases expansions/chapters every 6 months, how many other games do that? I'm finding it hard to find any interest in shelling out money for the same core game every 6 months. Three is plently, chapters 4,5,6 is kinda pushing it for me if there is really nothing different.

For me the extra life skills is just about adding more variety to the game not changing it. And I find it hard to see how GW isn't at heart not about killing mobs over and over again anyway, e.g SunSpear points in Nightfall. Most RPG games have different loot and spells and weapons/armour so I can't see this as something unique offered by GW that differentiates them from other games and is something they should just rest their laurels on.

If heroes aren't meant to be about chopping wood, should they be finding teddy bears in Factions, or helping poor Jun with her lost art supplies?

And yet, funnily enough, on 06-17-2006 Ms. Gray made it fairly clear that imrpoved henchies would violate the existing gameplay model --

And yet here we are, less than six months later, with improved henchies, now called 'Heroes', that are clearly designed to supplant 'real' humans and make single- and dual-playing easier.

Then it was not in the best interest of the game for it to become 'AI Wars'.

Now it is AI Wars.

Things change.

Never say never.

Jumping is not needed, for any reason, and would never make it into the mechanic as more than an emote that it already has. Cooking- what for? To make it more tedious when doing quests? "Oh man, I'm hungry. Let's fry up some Drake Flesh!"
Crafting- we already do that. We just don't have levels, and have to do it ourselves. Hence- armor crafters, weapon collectors, weaponsmiths. I really don't see why you would want anything different, especially with the new inscriptions system.

Swimming- what for? To get eaten by the occaisional beheamoth fish lurking in the animations for the deeper water? I fail to see the importance and use of this.

And I have no idea where nursing came from.

And that's my take on this issue. I tried not to sound flame-ey, but I guess I did put the OP down a bit. Please try to ignore that and see my point, since I actually am trying to make one. Anet doesn't add anything deemed "unnecessary" like that to the game. Stuff YOU might consider unnecessary, like 15k, FoW, PvP (if you love PvE), and other supposed "grinds" are there as an incentive to keep players around, and players happy. What's the point of making it to the endgame and getting "leet" if you don't have anything to show for it.

note that every hero you take to solo/duo farm takes a fair share of the drops unlike true solo/duo where you get it all which is a huge difference

and here is where i think you are completely wrong.

these heroes are not the uber player replacement Gaile was talking about.

check out the threads that say the heroes are nicely improved henchies but still have a long way to improve to decent player status.

the improvement is enough that you dont need to be an expert player to use henchies merely very good .

and for basic skip the lousy pug even average players are having success with the heroes.

since the hero AI is still very substandard to a halfway decent player we are not even close to AI wars

they have simply opened another choice to people who were begging to escape being forced to group with jerks just because the standard hench party wasnt quite good enough

Go play WoW. Seriously. Go play WoW.

To OP: Go play WoW




EDIT: God dammit. Someone had to beat me to it. >.<

For most games the fans can't wait to tell you why you should play their game, for GW the fans can't wait to tell you why you should go play WoW.

I'm not entirely sure what exactly that says about the GW fanbase, however I am entirely sure that, whatever it is, it does not reflect well on either GW or its fanbase.

It simply says, that the WoW crowd is getting bored with their game, and start looking for replacements.

When they try other games, they want them to be like WoW.

It's the first MMO syndrom. No MMO will ever again be as good as the first one you played.

And there's over 10 million WoW players who will spill into the MMO market.

When someone is basicly argueing to make it more like wow, what else can you say.

I think it says quite clearly that the GW fanbase thinks Wow players, are silly grindmonkeys, and dont want to see guild wars turn into clone wars.

Oh, I dunno, maybe "I don't think that would be a good idea," perhaps followed by a reason or two. Or perhaps the old standby when one has nothing particularly useful to add to a discussion, nothing at all.

The symptoms are far more akin to a severe inferiority complex than any real fear that GW will become a WoW clone.

I've played WoW, I've played Lineage II. I don't exactly want to see GW become like either of them.

I bet if you hopped on the WoW forums and said you wish that WoW was instanced, you'd be met with the same replies you are getting here. Nobody wants their game to become the other game.

What will fishing, mining or any of that do for GW? What do they add to the game? What do you do with the fish you catch? Eat them? So now we have health potions in GW. What do you do with the stuff you mine? Craft armor? So all armorers are useless now.

GW wasn't meant to have any of that kind of stuff. Its more of a first person shooter than a real roleplaying game. And thats the way I like it.

What you're asking is like going on the Battlefield 2142 forums and asking the devs to add fishing. It doesn't even make sense to have it in these kind of games. It'd be a pointless addition and a complete waste of time on the devs part.

The day they add fishing over improved AI, is the day I leave GW.

You go to Japanese Restaurant order a hamburger side with fries, guess what you get
Something just isn't on the menu, you can advice them to put it on, but to do so or not its up to the restaurant. And they have every reason not to do so "because its their business"
Will the customers tell you "dude the big M is right across the street" and laugh?? Yes, I am sure they will Of course you can stand on your ground and insist on a burger in Japanese Restaurant, that is also your choice. Saying the restaurant and the customer are sad because they dont have burger?? Sorry I fail to see the logic in this one

I dont speak for others, but when ever a friend ask me, if they want to spend every night on a game, and do all those life skill, guess where I direct them?? EVE my man=P(sorry in my list WOW is behind EVE and EQ2)
Why go to a game that dont have these and ask for it when you can go to a game that already have it all??

I play GW because "I dont want to spend time on things that doesnt matter, I just want to play the game, not live in it". I dont see them film Frodo taking a pee, cause "Its not important", and yet this was never ask in other game that have "life skill"....how can someone eat load of food but dont "let" something out I wonder what is under their armor~~

Simplcity is its own beauty
(when its done right that is, not saying you should bite a life deer)

Only to farmers, no one else gives a happy hang.

Back in June that thread was started both bemoaning the poor henchie AI and asking why it wasn't better. Ms. Gray posts saying, to paraphrase, that the henchie AI is not better because making better henchies would turn Guild Wars into AI Wars and that would not be in the best interest of the game. We now have better henchies, in the form of 'Heroes', and the game has changed markedly because of them, in many ways becoming the predicted "AI Wars". Only now that is an improvement to the game when back then it shouldn't be done because it would ruin the game.

Things change.

Heroes are most certainly exactly what that thread was about. Ms. Gray's babble about an "uber player replacement" was just that, babble, meaningless to the discussion. No one, let alone Anet, can make an "uber player replacement", an AI that is better than a human player whilst having to follow the same ruleset. Anet especially couldn't, to date their AI has rarely risen above the atrocious level. The only reason any of their AI stands a chance against a human player is because the AI does not follow the same ruleset.

OT, a tad, but to answer your question...

Actually my brother, being more than a bit of an arse, used to do this all the time, albeit many years ago. Chinese Restaurant, Japanese Restaurant, expensive French Restaurant, didn't matter, he'd order a cheeseburger and fries. What he almost always got for his trouble was an annoyed glare from the waiter shortly followed by a cheeseburger and fries. Surprisingly few kitches lack the ability or ingredients to make one or both, most will if asked.

Honestly, you need a new analogy as that one is severly flawed.

As long as we are telling the devs how to change the game, I would like it to: 1) do my taxes, 2) answer my phone, 3) wake me up in the morning, and 4) handle my email. /sarcasm

Fact is, the devs are quite busy making the game what it is (they don't even have time to get the elite mission done by release) and we want them to spend time putting in little things like fishing ? Some suggestions are in line with making this game better, but others simply want to change what the game is, and that is just not going to happen. See the difference ?

honestly?? Cause back then me and my friend did a few, and now, my sister and her friend doing it sometime....the rate of actualy getting something not on their menu is....low

For a very simple reason, they wont know what to charge you, they didnt have a set price, and whatever price they charge, can be argue by that customer. (a customer order something out side the menu, come on, you know he is here for trouble )
When I worked as waiter back then, we were train to friendly advice this customers to go somewhere else or change their order (we can change the souce on a dish, change a sushi box to vege sushi box)

Well, I guess its either our cook is lazy or our boss just dont give a damn

/not signed.

I don't really care about those items that you mentioned. Map travels means you don't need mounts. I get around fine without swimming, jumping, flying.

You don't even give them huge credit for the improvements that they have made, even with this last realease.

Dye preview, armor and weapon inscriptions and insignias, templating, pvp armor switching, etc.

I would really like to see an armor preview though so you could see what armor would look like before you buy it.

And if you watch ramseys kitchen nightmares the resturants that try and do to large a menu and cater for everyone suffer.

We can play this game all day.

The game was marketed and made for an audience that dosnt want these things.

Ok, read the OP post again.

I don't want to cook, build a house, or gather food, just to play the game. The food requirement, along with the imposed rest periods, were annoying in D&D back in the days when it was just a pen and paper game, and my feelings about that haven't changed.

I like changes that improve the game, not just a change to give me something to do in my idle time or to insert unnecessary requirements.

I would never tell someone to go play WoW. I've never played it myself. The same with Lineage II and EVE, etc. But posters need to take a good look at why they request what they do. Is it an attempt to make GW more like another game? It seems that they are trying to add features from other games, but keep the "no monthly fee" of GW. In that case, they are talking to the wrong game developers. They need to convince Blizzard and the others that offer all those extras that "no monthly fee" would widen their player base.

No computer game has ever existed that did not cause a litany of complaints. If you have 10 people play the same game, you will get 10 lists of required improvements to make it more playable. Every individual likes different things and we are all more comfortable with a familiar game type.

So, I agree with the OP, that posters shouldn't use "go play WoW" as the stock answer to change requests they don't like. Instead, they need to explain that they don't want GW to have more resemblence to other games.

And how good where those burgers? Did they have all the trimmings for a good burger? How many half ass burgers did you get?
Not to mention your brother did not get to savor the actual specialty of the restaurant. Why spend that money and time to ask for the worse possible item?


Oh yeah, because you can....

No it was not flawed, you basically proved his point.

Might as well asked ANet to make this a FPS if we follow your logic.

We don't need mounts we need wurms.

There a lot of other things that need improving on eg. reconnects more down the line.