Greatest Buff: Spoil Victor (e). The old one did a 53 loss of life at 16 Blood Magic per proc before the Nightfall update. Now, it does 105 loss of life per proc. Combined with an extremely long duration and relatively low energy cost, it's now an incredible Elite.
Greatest Nerf: Ether Renewal (e). I liked this skill, but it was nerfed a long time ago due to Smite. The nerf made the skill completely useless. And IIRC, ArenaNet nerfed it again after that...
What so you think is the greatest buff and the greatest nerf?
What is the Greatest Skill Buff and Greatest Skill Nerf?
Zinger314
Grolubao
Greatest Nerf - Verata's Sacrifice.
Greatest Buff - Can't really remember...
Greatest Buff - Can't really remember...
Phoenix Arrows
Greatest Buff: Mind Shock (E)
Greatest Nerf: Order of the Vampire (E)
Greatest Nerf: Order of the Vampire (E)
Shanaeri Rynale
Greatest Nerf: Prot Bond.
Former Ruling
"greatest" isn't the word I'd use.
The Most game changing Nerf: Ether Renewel and Dervishes from the preview.
The most game changing Buff: Buffs are usually unexciting and dont last long in the meta, but the Glyph of Lesser energy buff has put it on many bars.
The Most game changing Nerf: Ether Renewel and Dervishes from the preview.
The most game changing Buff: Buffs are usually unexciting and dont last long in the meta, but the Glyph of Lesser energy buff has put it on many bars.
cry of the rapture
Greatest nerf: many of the rit spirits, making them cost 25 energy after nerf 
derrtyboy69
Nerf: death of duplicate spirits (at least in HoH)
Buff: none to majorly game changing IMO
Buff: none to majorly game changing IMO
frojack
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Originally Posted by Zinger314
Greatest Nerf: Ether Renewal (e). I liked this skill, but it was nerfed a long time ago due to Smite. The nerf made the skill completely useless. And IIRC, ArenaNet nerfed it again after that... Completely agree...
Darkpower Alchemist
Greatest Nerf: AoE Nerf( Balthazar's Aura has never recovered)
Greatest Buff: The Fire Buff for Eles( Allowed Eles to get their jobs back
)
Greatest Buff: The Fire Buff for Eles( Allowed Eles to get their jobs back
)
Dragannia
Buffs:
Ether Prod. Moebis Strike. Shadow of Haste. Things like that.
Ether Prod. Moebis Strike. Shadow of Haste. Things like that.
Yanman.be
Greatest buff: Moebius Strike
Greatest nerf: OoV
Greatest nerf: OoV
Thomas.knbk
Buff: Spoil Victor, Mind Shock
Nerf: OoV, Gale (most game-changing)
Nerf: OoV, Gale (most game-changing)
some guy
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yanman.be
Greatest buff: Moebius Strike
Greatest nerf: OoV I agree, Greatest buff goes to Mobieus Strike, dual attack spam ftw!!!
Greatest nerf: OoV I agree, Greatest buff goes to Mobieus Strike, dual attack spam ftw!!!
Mike_version2
Greatest Nerf: gale, OoV or Crippling Shot
Greatest Buff: dunno, maybe spoil victor, not really sure on this one thb
Greatest Buff: dunno, maybe spoil victor, not really sure on this one thb
Tonepalu
Greatest Nerf: Protective Bond...poor poor skill, they aimed true on killing this one
Greates Buff: Insidious Parasite, Spoil Victor, Live Vicariously and Vigorous Spirit
I would give anything to see Prot Bond restored to what it once was, although Shield of Absorption is looking to be even better than all previous "Invinci" skills
Greates Buff: Insidious Parasite, Spoil Victor, Live Vicariously and Vigorous Spirit
I would give anything to see Prot Bond restored to what it once was, although Shield of Absorption is looking to be even better than all previous "Invinci" skills
Racthoh
Nerf: Zealot's Fire. C'mon, it triggered off stances and shouts back in the good ole days.
Buff: Shouts to danger zone (aggro bubble) range.
Buff: Shouts to danger zone (aggro bubble) range.
Elemental Cotton
Well, I would to say that the greatest buff is the new Nightfall fire spells. It finally made elementalists a damage-dealing class again. (Why must A-net nerf elementalists so?)
Greatest nerf: Blackout >
(The old one was set up so the target foe suffered a 6 second of blackout while the user suffered only 5 seconds. I took advantage of the extra second the foes had to suffer to land hits on them before they started touching again. Now both foe and the user suffers both 5 seconds. -_-)
Greatest nerf: Blackout >
(The old one was set up so the target foe suffered a 6 second of blackout while the user suffered only 5 seconds. I took advantage of the extra second the foes had to suffer to land hits on them before they started touching again. Now both foe and the user suffers both 5 seconds. -_-)
dudeimoncoke
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Originally Posted by Elemental Cotton
Greatest nerf: Blackout > (The old one was set up so the target foe suffered a 6 second of blackout while the user suffered only 5 seconds. I took advantage of the extra second the foes had to suffer to land hits on them before they started touching again. Now both foe and the user suffers both 5 seconds. -_-)
I think you had a brain fart because thats how it is right now and I think it always was like that.
(The old one was set up so the target foe suffered a 6 second of blackout while the user suffered only 5 seconds. I took advantage of the extra second the foes had to suffer to land hits on them before they started touching again. Now both foe and the user suffers both 5 seconds. -_-)
I think you had a brain fart because thats how it is right now and I think it always was like that.
makosi
Blackout was shortened a while back.
I Brother Bloood I
Quote:
Originally Posted by Racthoh
Nerf: Zealot's Fire. C'mon, it triggered off stances and shouts back in the good ole days.
Ya u could do watch yourself and fear me spikes lol.
whobitz
Nerf: Spirit Bond (at least in the farming sense)
Sigh...RIP SB.
Sigh...RIP SB.
Riotgear
Greatest nerf: Mist form. Wears off before the trolls die. :P
Greatest buff: Practically anything buffed in the latest patch. Spoil Victor used to be a candidate for one of the worst elites in the game, now it's replacing SS as a farm tool.
Greatest buff: Practically anything buffed in the latest patch. Spoil Victor used to be a candidate for one of the worst elites in the game, now it's replacing SS as a farm tool.
fallot
I mentioned it on GWonline before but it couldn't hurt to repeat it:
Greatest Buff: Bull's and Protector's Strike. Skills that went from trash to staple.
Greatest Nerf: Protective Bond. I want to list stuff like NR and Ether Renewal, but I actually know people that quit the game over this nerf so perhaps it holds more meaning for me. This skill was killed.
Greatest Buff: Bull's and Protector's Strike. Skills that went from trash to staple.
Greatest Nerf: Protective Bond. I want to list stuff like NR and Ether Renewal, but I actually know people that quit the game over this nerf so perhaps it holds more meaning for me. This skill was killed.
Alleji
I get the feeling that anyone who doesn't say NR or Ether Renewal for greatest nerf had never played with those skills pre-nerf.
NR removed all enchantments IN SPIRIT RANGE when it was cast. This makes today's powerful elite skills such as OoA and Avatar of Grenth look like a joke.
ER gained you 5 energy and ~50HP per enchantment on you. Meaning you could infuse someone and then cast divine boon (which had no recharge back then) to gain 30 energy and be back up to full health instantly! Mind you, this was a bonder who had enough energy and health to spam infuse on the entire party.
I simply don't know how those two could not be regarded as the most game-breaking skills.
Argument against prot bond: the 55 build still exists without that skill. Therefore, the impact of the nerf on the game as a whole was a great deal less than ER and NR.
NR removed all enchantments IN SPIRIT RANGE when it was cast. This makes today's powerful elite skills such as OoA and Avatar of Grenth look like a joke.
ER gained you 5 energy and ~50HP per enchantment on you. Meaning you could infuse someone and then cast divine boon (which had no recharge back then) to gain 30 energy and be back up to full health instantly! Mind you, this was a bonder who had enough energy and health to spam infuse on the entire party.
I simply don't know how those two could not be regarded as the most game-breaking skills.
Argument against prot bond: the 55 build still exists without that skill. Therefore, the impact of the nerf on the game as a whole was a great deal less than ER and NR.
Racthoh
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Originally Posted by Alleji
crucifix
nerf: Oob/ edrain/ MoR. why? it killed the boon prot monk in 3 swift skills. Oob was fantastic before you had to damn near kill yourself for the energy help, and we all know how great edrain and MoR used to be.
best boost: uhhhhh.... hmm. RaO, well, not really a boost, but it did bring back humpers from the dead.
best boost: uhhhhh.... hmm. RaO, well, not really a boost, but it did bring back humpers from the dead.
Anti Oath
Nerf: Gale, Cripshot, Distortion
Buff: Glyph of Lesser Energy
Buff: Glyph of Lesser Energy
Etrik
Nerf: NR, SB, Distortion
Buff: GoLE, SV
Buff: GoLE, SV
KazeMitsui
since i play ranger 90% of the time...
nerf: cripshot, distortion, spirit spamming, aoe nerf
buff... thumpers, fire ele, cant think of many others..
nerf: cripshot, distortion, spirit spamming, aoe nerf
buff... thumpers, fire ele, cant think of many others..
Poison Ivy
Nerf : Energy Drain, Energy Tap [It used to drain the direct amount instead of draining half as much and doubling it afterwards]
Buff : Most Assassin skills basiclly.
Buff : Most Assassin skills basiclly.
just rude
prot bond was long ago.
Greatest nerf: Gale, OOV and blackout, you used to be able to BO someone and land a diverson at the same time they came out of the BO making for a harsh combinating, now it's like 1 sec or 2 diff.
Basically everything that drove everyone away last year. Between the march nerf and the factions crap, nerfs buff w/e, PvP was cut in half.
Buff
nothing substanial that wasn't already there. Could be Spoil Victor, Ineptitude was HEAVY when they buffed it but noone really runs it.
they don't really buff stuff they just nerf stuff to fit in with the other skills.
my 1 cent.
on a side note its good to see FS running again they used to own when I first got into pvp.
Greatest nerf: Gale, OOV and blackout, you used to be able to BO someone and land a diverson at the same time they came out of the BO making for a harsh combinating, now it's like 1 sec or 2 diff.
Basically everything that drove everyone away last year. Between the march nerf and the factions crap, nerfs buff w/e, PvP was cut in half.
Buff
nothing substanial that wasn't already there. Could be Spoil Victor, Ineptitude was HEAVY when they buffed it but noone really runs it.
they don't really buff stuff they just nerf stuff to fit in with the other skills.
my 1 cent.
on a side note its good to see FS running again they used to own when I first got into pvp.
Saphrium
If this includes all time greatest nerf, I would say IWAY.
Sophitia Leafblade
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Originally Posted by Saphrium
If this includes all time greatest nerf, I would say IWAY.
I wouldnt say Iway ever got a decent Nerf the only reason it got stopped was lowering the team limit in HA which killed several builds but they are still all in effect just to a lesser degree
Greatest Buff: fire eles skills
Greatest Nerf: AoE changes, i miss the days when the ai was stupid and just stood in AoE
Greatest Buff: fire eles skills
Greatest Nerf: AoE changes, i miss the days when the ai was stupid and just stood in AoE
yesitsrob
nerf: ether renewal, NR, Zealots Fire
buff: bull's strike, shadow of haste
meh, they just come to mind.
buff: bull's strike, shadow of haste
meh, they just come to mind.
clawofcrimson
these might not be the "greatest" but definitely play impacting for me
watch yourself: nerf: useless to my para now (go for the eyes..replacement)
conjure (element): used to be semi decent for damage suplement on my wa/el now it absolutely rocks. fiery gladius FTW
watch yourself: nerf: useless to my para now (go for the eyes..replacement)
conjure (element): used to be semi decent for damage suplement on my wa/el now it absolutely rocks. fiery gladius FTW
Akhilleus
im gunna say the oov/oop nerf; that was a hard hit.
another forgotten nerf; battlerage...back when if you re-applied it it wouldnt cancel out your adrenaline it was an incredibly powerful skill. put warriors into permenant doubble adren and permenant 25% increased speed.
biggest buff...im gunna agree with spoil victor on this one.
went from trash-heap reject, to 1st class merchandise.
another forgotten nerf; battlerage...back when if you re-applied it it wouldnt cancel out your adrenaline it was an incredibly powerful skill. put warriors into permenant doubble adren and permenant 25% increased speed.
biggest buff...im gunna agree with spoil victor on this one.
went from trash-heap reject, to 1st class merchandise.
Etrik
HA! I just needed to post again.
Nerf: Energizing Finale. And thank God!
Nerf: Energizing Finale. And thank God!
assassin of the god
alot of important ones missed
buff:bulls strike/charge, shadow of hatse,spoil victor
nurfs:energy burn/surge, energy drain(first and second), OoB, divine boon, zealots, cripple shot,irristble blow, tigers fury, all sprit spamming sprits, OoV, auspricious parry,quick shot, gale,ef,watch urself.......(just to name a few, list goes on)
btw, this doesnt include skills that were changed before their respective expansions were releasled(glimmer of light,ect.)
buff:bulls strike/charge, shadow of hatse,spoil victor
nurfs:energy burn/surge, energy drain(first and second), OoB, divine boon, zealots, cripple shot,irristble blow, tigers fury, all sprit spamming sprits, OoV, auspricious parry,quick shot, gale,ef,watch urself.......(just to name a few, list goes on)
btw, this doesnt include skills that were changed before their respective expansions were releasled(glimmer of light,ect.)
Grammar
I agree with Alleji.
The two biggest nerfs have to be Natures Renewal and Ether Renewal. Both took the tumble from "the metagame" to "never heard of them".
The only thing that comes close is what happened to half the fire line after the AoE nerf, but MS helped everyone get through that one just fine.
There haven't been any buffs nearly as big as these nerfs, but ther reworked Glyph of Lesser Energy and Mark of Rodgort come to mind.
The two biggest nerfs have to be Natures Renewal and Ether Renewal. Both took the tumble from "the metagame" to "never heard of them".
The only thing that comes close is what happened to half the fire line after the AoE nerf, but MS helped everyone get through that one just fine.
There haven't been any buffs nearly as big as these nerfs, but ther reworked Glyph of Lesser Energy and Mark of Rodgort come to mind.
Thomas.knbk
I think we can all agree on Energizing Finale now.