What's next, after defeat of Abbadon?

Come to think of it, the three chapters of GW so far are really similar to one another.

Chapter 1: Defeat Vizier, servant of Abbadon.
Chapter 2: Defeat the Shiro guy, servant of Abbadon.
Chapter 3: Defeat Varesh, servant of Abbadon.

Despite all the twists and turns each chapter had, ultimately we had to kill a boss that was serving Abbadon.

But in chapter 3, we went further than defeating yet another servant. We went and defeated for good Abbadon himself, replacing him with the Goddess of Truth.

Which makes me think that:

1. Nightfall has a higher lore scope than previous chapters. We did more than save just a continent. We did more than defeat a single minion. We made the whole universe of Guild Wars safe from Abbadon, which was ultimately , directly or indirectly, behind every major evil we've seen thru the game (from the Charr invasion to the Emperor's assasination, to the Sunspear massacre and Nightfall, etc). By slaying the God of Secrets himself, once and for all, we preclude any more malice coming from him as a source in the future.

2. What will the next chapter focus at? There cannot be another boss like the Vizier or Shiro or Varesh. The next chapter cannot feel like yet another Vizier:Reloaded. Because the source of evil behind all 3 past bosses is now destroyed; furthermore, there seem to be no more villains on the scale of being gods. With Abbadon destroyed, I would find it very unlikely that any of the remaining five 'old gods' would turn against their creation, as it would disrupt just too many lore elements. So who could be the next major villain, whether we fight himself or another minion like the Vizier?

We could of course fight lesser gods such as the UW villain Dhuum or Fow villain Menzies, but they simply don't seem to have the power and influence of Abbaddon to be such a major threat.

Perhaps the next chapter will focus on the Great Dwarf, and his counterpart, the Great Destroyer? The rank of these gods is not easily verifiable; they are not the 'old gods' that we know, but we don't have verifiable information about them being inferior either, and the connection between the two GDs and the old gods has not been established to any large degree. For all I know, we could face another major player in the Rift.

What do you think?

k interesting opinion but i will say something i have said before as we know even in real world all religions have connections between them as an example in korani(mouslims)there are references to jesus.In my opinion the same thing happens to guild wars great dwarf mighty be a hero or even althazar i mean look at him his clothes he looks like a norse god and he may van take multiply forms now about grewat destroyer if you search a bit you will find out that abaddon means great destroyer so he may be the evil dwarven god.Xi's name is Shiro Tagachi.

Now about gw4 as we know in greek mythology before the gods titans ruled over the world all over across tyria there are huge bonus(even in uw) that means huge creatures exist thousand of years ago(see manual for giaganticus lupicus that walked earth 10000 years ago)now my theory is that menzies and dhuum will try to awake the titans or their distant relatives(they will be huge too)and they will try to take over the world,or grenth or another god will ally with menzies to release the titans as well.Thats my opinion

Xi is called Shiro.
The Vizier supposedly slayed the charr army when he blew up Orr, yet after we defeated the Lich, we had to fight Charr (Last Day Dawns, The Titan Source). This means the Charr aren't defeated yet, so my bet for Ch4 goes to Charr and the Northlands.
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better?

Probs about North lands + Great Destroyer coming back from the the Under-Furnace or whatever the dwarves lore is about.

Probably a long time after Nightfall, when Ascalon has made peace with some of the Charr and then the new feature in CH4 will be New races blah blah blah... etc...

Tbh though, I hope its something completely new.

Like... queens of the stone age... thatd be a cool bad guy/girl/ppl ... woo!

i dont think we will see new races in ch 4 maybe in guild wars 2 yes but in chapter 4 i dont think so i hope we will see castle sieges

Komir gets corrupted and becomes the new evil God.

nah i dont think so you cant corrupt a god

Of course you can.

ok lets say you can corrupt him who will try to do that? menzies? or dhuum or a mortal.If corruption is a possibility here's my theory grenth or lyssa(dont ask why)will ally with menzies or dhuum or even both and they will try to release the giants(see giganticus lupicus) to destroy the gods and the world

They'll probably save Dhuum and Menzies for something else, something more final, like chapter 3 was for the other chapters. I dunno what they can do for story that can be as..fulfilling as fighting a god. Defeating Abaddon was fairly epic if you think about it; he was behind most of the major events taking place in the GW story, and now he's gone. Dhuum and Menzies aren't really as high caliber. I assume they'll take the level of events down, start off with something small and build up agian to a grander story arc. They could always go toward the direct of the Charr, and I don't think the Mursaat were ever fully explained.

ya the next chapter has nothing to do with chap 1-3 there are many signs why it wouldent be connected to the storyline but we might have people from the 3 games in it.I also dont think there will be one main boss in this game maybe 3 5 heck even 6.....but until we find more hints in the game we wont know for awhile

My bet goes to the area north of Giant's Basin and those things, since it is also mentioned in the prophecies guide.

Anyway, good points.

the creatures to the north are reptiles such as dragons and things close to Hydra and some mammals including giants and maybe charr Right now if you look in the time line of the nightfall manual the last date sais humans are entering north of tyria so something is happening in there right now weathier its trade or something bad about to happen....

As for the Mursaat...

Who else thinks that the Mursaat and the Margonites are one and the same?

- They look bloody similar
- Mursaat served the Lich, or he at least used them to gain his aims. Margonites serve Abbadon, the Lich's master.
- Mursaat are referred to as an immortal powerful race with godlike capabilities, which the Margonites, of course, are.

Perhaps Abbadon lended some margonites to the Lich when the Lich was in Tyria, and those Margonites which were sent from the Realm of Torment to Tyria became known as the Mursaat.

What do you think?

the Mursaat have a purpose I think they are defenders of earth, something like that but the other guys ...ya nothing would change thats bad if thye left

In Chapter 4 we are going to learn more about what and who are the Seers and how and why there is this feud between them and the Mursaat. The story is going to be about the humans helping the Seer ultimately defeat the Mursaat at their secret location a city deep inside the Maguuma Jungle. As the humans defeat the the Mursaat, the Seers will betray the humans in their attempt to fulfill their own agenda of taking over and ruling all of Tyria. The Seers desire is to transform Tyria into their distant home world since their native home is being depleted of its natural resources so the Seers must find a new place to call home and Tyria is the perfect place.

As you are aware of the strange looking portal in a cave at the very north of Mineral Springs. This is the portal that few of the Seers used to come to Tyria. The Seers is a very powerful race and cannot be defeated solely by a single race. In Chapter 4, we will also learn more about the Charr. As more of the Seers arrive to Tyria. They begin to mobilize their army and first attacking and driving the Krytans out of Maguuma Jungle. Pushing them eastward to the Shiverpeaks and Old Ascalon. The Seers next target is to march forward into the Northern areas. The homeland of the Charr. As the Charr are being slaughtered, their leader urgently pleads to the human race to help them.

As the three races understand what's at stake. It's at the best judgement to form an alliance, even if it means that one of the allies is the enemy; the Charr. The humans, Charr, and Dwarves form an alliance. Their goal is to push the Seers back and wipe them out of Tyria.

Chapter 4 will contain many alien form creatures that the Seers bring from their home world. Corrupting the land around them. Making the appearance of the physical land with an uncanny resemblance to their home world. New henchmen npcs consisting of Charr and Dwarves to help the heroes of Tyria in the fight against the Seers. Glint makes an appearance in Chapter 4. She plays a big role in Chapter 4. Dragons will also be in Chapter 4. Ally or foe is yet to be seen. Heroes of Tyria will venture into the Northern areas and Lost cities of the Unseen Ones deep within Maguuma Jungle.

Will this be the end of the human race on Tyria or will the humans prevail and defeat this alien invader? Will the gods of Tyria aid in the fight against these alien invaders? Everything is at stake. The fight between the Seers and humans will be an epic battle. Who will emerge victorious?

nope you are totaly wrong m8 mursaat were protecting the door of komalie so the lich or any one else that wanted to open it would fail they were protectors of the world we were the "bad guys" there untill we found out lich's plan and margonites dont look like mursaats mursaats look a bit like seers but i dont think they are from the same race maybe distant relatives yes but not from the same race

nah i dont think so but its a very good theory man well done /clap we might see a theory like this in feauter but its more possible to see dwarves and vikings and some gigantic monsters in ch4 but no one knows

The Mursaat wanted to prevent the release of the titans at all costs. The titans belonged to Abaddon himself (Chapter 3 provided this insight). It wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to have the Mursaat trying to hinder their own master. The Mursaat were opposed to Abaddon, or at least the titans, and anyone trying to release them(Lich, you[albeit accidently]). They seem to be on a side of their own.

We team up with the Mursaats to defeat the looming evil of the giant Penguins from the north!

How do you think Abaddon became evil? You don't think he was evil from the start... that would make no sense at all!

Anyways Anet said that chp3 was the end of a "trilogy" so I except to see something new and completly different for chp4.

Nowhere close to Tyria, Cantha or Elona anyways.

just because they will start a new chapter dosent mean we wont see people we have seen in the other games it just has nothing to do with abbaddons evil, shiro, and verish

there is a quest in nightfall, where a charr stuck in torment discovers finally that the titans "used" the charr, and the charr becomes overwhelemed with grief and hunts down the titans in the relm of torment...

With the defeat of abaddon, the only real threat left to people are the charr armies.... i think that GW4, the last GW, will be about eliminating the charr threat (the last threat) once and for all.... however, i feel that this will mean a charr civil war.... in other words, the threat will be ended not by killing ALL charr, but by diplomatic methods, where we teach them that the titans are false... of course most of the charr would find it blasphemous... so you'd have the believers versus the non-believers, and you'd be allied with the non-believers, helping them fight those that believe the titans are thier kids, until you kill their head hancho

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actually, though anet does not explain this, the mursaat are hinted to be from another planet, just like the seer.... if you read about saul d'allesio, you will figure this.... this is also why the krytans, never seeing such creatures before in their own country, would think they are like gods who had walked the lands of Tyria previously.... well some of the krytans anyway, the ones that formed the white mantle

The charr idea seems probably closest to what will happen. Still wanna fight queens of the stone age though.

"BARRAGE!"

"erm.. no one knows?"

"DAM! got me again"

The defeat of abaddon (the corrupter of both the Vizer(lich) and Shiro) with Komir as the new god of secrets makes for several possiblities. Here are some ideas i adapted from several novels of similar plot.

A new evil arise

Just as abaddon is defeated as the outcasted god, evil and the realm of torment does not for that matter cease to exit. In fact if anything, the destruction of the imprisoned abaddon has now left a huge vaccum of power in the realm of torment. Without some form of control, the margonites (abaddon worshippers) and the creatures dwelling in the realm of torment would fall into disarray and soon go down a path of self destruction. Now perhaps would be a better time than ever for a previously supressed power to seize the opportunity and achieve demigod hood with perhaps an ambition for god hood through "certain" means.Hence a new evil is borned, one that is perhaps much more sinister, manipulative and may take a much more personal form in the influence of the paths of our main characters to aid him to that end. Will our heros realise the betrayal before it is too late? or will they foolishly aid the new evil in promise of greater powers beyond mortality.Without a doubt, Kommir the new god of secrets will have a hand in this and provide some warning/insights.

The vortex grows

If i am not mistaken, after the defeat of abaddon, the area of abaddon prison (abaddon's gate) collapsed and Komir provided a path towards the throne of secrets. However from a story standpoint we dont know if the vortex was closed (someone correct me if otherwise), since the vortex leading to the realm of torment exist on another plane of existance, it is an abnormaly and hence unpredictable. With that said, what if the vortex suddenly grows and spreading poison to the lands, turning areas progressive around the vortex into sulphurous waste and signs of nightfallen appearing across the known world and creatures of torment swelling over into reality while the vortex apart from posioning the lands, also starts to mutate the creatures dwelling on them.The landplauge may not neccessary be exclusive to elona but could spread outwards with the vortex as its epicentre hence justifying its presence from the perspective new lands(future chapter). The task for the heros would be to first combat the effects of the vortex, seek information (Komir comes into mind) on how to close the vortex, and finally travel into the vortex to confront the whatever maybe the cause of this engulfment of the destruction.

A new evil arise and The vortex grows plot can actually be combined and replayed in a entirely new chapter in a different land but without a doubt would be somewhat linked to Elona/Tyria for it to work. This plot as usual satisfy the "save the world"concept in GW gaming so far and looks predictable to be used at one point or another perhaps.

Gwen kills us all. The End.

Merlin will be in chp4, I just see too many similarities that aren't there.. cast out gods (abbadon and anubis), instance portals look like worm hole event horizons.. etc, so merlin is the key! But my bet is on giant penguins..

If Gwen killed us there would be no point to having a Chapter 4+ now would there? Someone metioned something about following the storyline of the Char. That would be a pretty cool thing. hope they do that!

i think we're going North of Tyria.. and I while the Abbadon triology is over I think that Chapter 4 will have to do with the Charr. Just hope there is some snow or different look than the previous three. Though Chapter 1 and 3 where more related which makes me think that 4 might be about something different and 5 might be about the Charr. Guess we'll see.

Well, i'm sure we all read in the prophecies manuel about giants leaving... So my guess would be something related to the giants, in a place north of tyria. (Alaska, anyone?) as for the villian, maybe all the giants are thirsting for revange on the people who beat them out of tyria. Thats my thoughts.

Yeah I agree with the Charr new story line, Tyria is linked to Elona through the Desolation, so Im thinking North, West or East of Tyria, I personally love the idea of North of Tyria. Super evil looking Charr, Charr elders controlling the Charr, *and over the years of pre searing to Abaddons defeat the Charr have been making a HUGE army*, More profession Charr.

Make it hard so that people dont complete it in 5 days like Nightfall and Factions.

Maybe a new Charr Hero who got kicked out of the council of Charr...
And the Charr should have some kind of weapon of mass destruction, like they used a sort of one at the end of Pre Searing.

Windy areas FTW! Snow, Ice caves like prohecies, no desert, no jungle, got enough of them through out nightfall and factions.

~Views
~~Monk of Droknar

*Edit* The Charr you help in the Realm of Torment as a new Hero?*


Orrrrr Palawa Joko gets an even bigger army of death.

well most people seem to expect it to be charr related.

as far as unfinished story/explanations go charr, mursaat, seer and dwarves are likely candidates for chapter 4.

whether those unfinished bits of story etc are becuase of anet rushing the release of gw and missing stuff out is anybodies guess. anet do seem to just make stuff up as they go along?

anyway id expect to see a north of ascalon/shiverpeaks charr based chapter 4. we have 2 minor gods/demi gods in menzies and Dhuum although id not expect much from them.

i think anet would naturally go with a winter/ice/snow/cold/scandinavian themed chapter 4 which would fit in with northern charr infested lands i guess. (charr love fire? maybe more than just being titan worshippers if they come from a cold place)

im thinking endless stretches of pine forest, snow capped mountains and deep dark long forgotten dwarven dungeons. icewindale anybody? lol

I'd be inclined to say the story of the dwarves is done. While we do still see Stone Summit wandering around explorables afterwards, my impression is that afterThunderhead Keep the Summit are driven back to Sorrow's Furnace, and when you finish that they're pretty much done for. They're still there for the same reason you, for example, still find Kaineng filled with Afflicted after defeating Shiro - so the zones aren't completely depopulated, and so the caps are still available. (There are better examples in Nightfall, but talking about them is a little spoilerish.)

The Charr, Mursaat and Seers are still mysteries, however. My personal belief is that, between Nolani Academy, Last Day Dawns, and Titan Source, the Charr have been driven back from Ascalon (or that Ascalon has at least been given a reprieve) but that isn't exactly spelled out. Now that we've had a few years pass after Prophecies, it would be nice to see some indication of just how Ascalon is now doing - even if this is received through NPC (could be amusing to have some clueless NPC denigrating the quality of the 1078AE Ascalonian wine compared to the 1069AE vintage, without realising that the mere existance of the '78 was miraculous enough...)

I was sorta hoping there would be at least a blurb about Orr. We know every Orrian didn't die in the Cataclysm. It would be cool if there was a quest to resurrect the city of Arah from the waves and maybe have some way to gain the favor of gods other than Balthazar. I was in the Chantry of Secrets yesterday and took the time to read the monuments to the gods. Each describes the first followers of the gods: Ewan(Melandru), Dorac(Dwayna), Sara(Lyssa), and Desmina(Grenth). Balthazar's statue didn't name any one person as his first follower. His first followers seem to be the common soldier. Thus PvP is the way to gain his favor. In Orr we might learn more about the paths of the First Followers and find a way to bring the favor of the other gods back to the human kingdoms.

i dun think it'll be charr related since the charr threat is gone to, the titans made them attack ascalon, titans and their boss are destroyed THE END, i think it'll be something that has COMPLETELY nothing to do with any of the three campaigns so far

My question might have something to do with the next chapter :
Who are the zaishen ?

The zaishen are the caretakers of the Battle Isles, disciples of Balthazar. They also seem to have a sideline in investigating breaches in the Mists, hence their presence at the Tombs and in Istan.

Chapter 3 Is supposed to end a Trilogy.

Chapter 4-6 are supposed to bring something totally new to the table.

My speculations:

Chapter 4 Will be underground. In the massive tunnelnetwork connecting Tyria and Cantha ( Through wich the Dregg got to echovald forest. ) In These caves the Stone Summit have discovered an artifact of immense power, an artifact of the Great Destroyer. The Deldrimor Dwarves have called for help to stop the stone summit! But they are also lending their own forces, players will be able to create new dwarven characters ( All Chapter 4 Characters will be dwarves, All Chapter 1-3 Characters will be human. ) And you go on a quest to stop the stone summit once and for all .

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Why do I think this?

- A New Trilogy asks for something totally new, a new race would be one of the only totally new things.
- A New Trilogy can't start with defeating an all-powerfull enemy, you first have to start with a mortal enemy ( high priest of the great destroyer or something like that )
- It's just cool .