Is Metoer Shower still even remotely worthwhile?

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In PvP, no, not at all.

But in PvE, very much so, you just have to pick your targets well. Most of the time you can get your enemies to bunch up by sending in a hero and withdrawing them back to your lines. Then you let your heros run to the front of the aggro circle and let them take the first few interupts while you single out either the monks, elementalists, mesmers, or paragons. After those first couple of seconds the enemies have generally used up their interrupts or are busy with frontline targets, because in general I find no problem with the 2.5 or 5 second cast (depends on if you hit your 20%). The next spell is preferably another layer of AoE, because they generally have a 2-3 second casting time and will therefore not actually go off until the first meteor hits and does it's knockdown. Because the damage hasn't started, the enemy AI hasn't reacted. You can then follow up with a fireball or a third AoE because the enemy is still at this point getting up and you will catch most of them in the hit on their charge out. I find that they will often times stick around for another meteor, allowing for the layered AoE to be taking effect. Alternatly, or in addition to, an earth elementalist in the area (a hero in my games) equipped with aftershock can take advantage of the situation by unleashing additional damage on the knocked down foes at the exact same time that layered AoE is starting, or possibly even the fireball damage. If you happen to be in the area, I recommend dropping the one second casting time spell, Bed of Coals. Not only does it layer on even more damage, but the knockdown from the meteor will catch them on fire for quite a while, more than most other spells allow. AoE seems like a waste of time, but if you try it out, you'll find that most groups will receive at least three hits, usually making up for the loss of the later damage as it is generally comparable to your basic fireball strike, though a little less at times. If you catch an enemy starting to activate a skill, they generally will stay throughout the casting time, taking those seconds of damage at least. One last thing, Spell Breaker is a plan hinderer but nothing more. Just interupt your cast (suck up the energy loss, no use crying about it) and recast quickly at a target near the monk. The knock down and all of the AoE still effect the monk. Follow all of that damage with a quick spike by your team (Obsidian Flame works great here to finish off most foes) and you've generally taken the bite out of your enemy, the rest is just mop up. Vow of Silence that dervishes run around with can be handled in the same way, but you need to make sure the spell sticks, so root your team in place if you can while the first knock down occurs, you should have already gone to a second AoE, and layer that quick third spell, Bed of Coals right on him to get him on the run. His vow of silence doesn't last long and you've not wasted a spell as long as he had a non-dervish enemy near him.

So, yeah, use that AoE monster. Especially with Glyph of Lesser Energy. Free 30 points of energy every 30 seconds, it should be your pre-battle prep spell if you plan a long fight, along with elemental attunment if you've capped it.

Edit: added a line :P

I've been happely MS nuking since I got that skill o so many months ago. Haven't stopped using it in Nightfall, have not noticed the flee effect at all (more then it was before the Ai change).

I did a fow run with some people and I kinda missed it, but we had 3 good warriors and 3 great monks, so It didn't really matter, I just missed the aoe knockdown it provides on stuff. It didn't matter, we get to the forgemaster in half an hour, and I found out the inscribable armor took deldrimor steel ingots. Regardless, most stuff died before I could cast glowing gaze, so it's not all that useful, just get players that aren't bad and you won't need it.

Really, that's the struggle of shower. Unless you're glyph saccing it, the cast time means that if your group is good, most stuff will be dead before you use it.

i still pack it alot of the time. its the first thing to go if i need a cap sig, but its become a sometimes skill. i will clear an area when mappign and find i have only used it twice

Ever since I got SF I just can't go back to any sort of meteor shower nuker build. The KD might be nice, but SF outdamages it easily and is cast/recharged soooo much faster than MS. Since NF I can't help but just see this as an inferior fire magic damage spell regardless of PvP or PvE. I've even vastly outdamaged MS with a Unsteady Ground/Eruption build. The KD is a bit more conditional with that combo, but still works well.

MS helps control the multiple ele groups when you get later into the game, in order to help slow down the deep freeze->ice spikes aoe damage. Its not the skill slot on the bar that wins the fights though. Typically those feel like they reside on other character's bars.

I still use MS on my nuker build. There's a spare slot or two available after the new SF build is applied so i put MS in there (and arcane echo sometimes) and if i see several beasties clumped nicely or even a boss i'll drop a MS on them without hessitation then spam SF. You can double up your damage for 9 secs with the hits from MS and SF combined, aswell as knock down your targets. If you echo it you can cause some serious disruption and insane damage if you drop it in the right place, which is all part of being a good nuker. Knowing when to cast and more importantly.......when to hold fire.

I keep MS in my build for when i need to cast a long AoE spike. If done properly it'll wipe out entire groups with ease since the healers can't heal that much, that quickly. And it'll interrupt the crap out of anything that doesn't vapourize in the chaos.

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my fc nuker uses this all the time. fire atune + GoLE+ ms +rodgerts inv. + fireball = good spike dmg plus you still have energy left over. i use this build in the fow, missions, and ab. works like a charm. my most dmg comes from rodgerts, but i like to use ms for bombing heavily guarded cap points in ab. i dont use it as much otherwise because of the long recast time. but it still does good dmg.

OMG I lolled so hard when I read this thread title!

Meteor Shower + Glyph of Renewal = Godly! See here:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10082641

I manage to nuke however many enemies are clumped together to death at once, Renewal>MS>bed of coals>fireball, then pick off the runners with immolate and fireball.

Its the best skill in the game for farming. Nothing does more damage.

When you are too busy spamming searing flames, you don't really have time to use Meteor shower.

Meteor shower does have uses on builds and 3xKD is nice, it does work nice for ele spiking. After you cast it, you can cast some other damage skill for 2x100 damage when the first wave hits.

Actually Spiteful Spirit does more damage than Meteor Shower. In the time you've spent casting one easily escapable Meteor Shower an SS Nec would have hexed at least 2 or 3 SS on the mob.

With the way the AI is now, MS is pretty useless. You're sitting there for 5 seconds while the enemy melee starts wailing on you. You can move and cancel it but there goes 25 energy and now you've got exhaustion. If you really want the knockdown I would take Meteor or Gale.

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i don't see my favorite build with MS mention here , so let me bring it on.
In PvE E/A with Meteor Shower + glyp of sacrifice and assasins promise (E) is a very nice combo!
the combo is to instant cast meteor and then target a nearly dead mob to recharge all skill and gain huge mana if it dies before the assasins promis wears off. Very nice

with the right build, its not energy cost , casting time or damage output that is your problem and not even timing assasins promise (as soon as you get the hang off it i know). Its exhaustion that is the bottleneck! Try it and you know whats going on after doing 5 meteor showers in less than 30 seconds.
(keep up fire atunement - should go with out saying)

While other AoE fire magic does more damage , the knockdown and huge chunck off damage for each hit makes it more dependeble for use with assasins promise. At least i think so. Anyway sins assasins promise is an elite that leaves out savannah heat.

Combine with imolation and glowing gace, for a finisher and mana ganing combo that helps doing reasonble damage if your combo fails and you have to wait the 45 seconds for assasins promise or the 90 seconds for meteor shower to recharge, or the time for exhaustion to lessen. The 2 spell together does 100+ dam and 3 seconds burning, a regain of 10 energy, meaning that with fire atunement you gain energy when casting them! and can be cycled in 6 seconds.

2 spots left , aura of restoration, fireball and a res signet are good calls there.

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No, I killed a group of 6ish lvl22 necros, warriors and ellys with a SINGLE MS, bed of coals, fireball abd 2 lava arrows in no more then 10 seconds. And no other damage from party members (2 monks, BIP necro with nothing but bip + heals)

Seriously I can believe how people on these forums always think they know it all when there so wrong.

The video doesnt seem to upload onto filefront, but me + my guild know how to farm using renewal nuking, guess I dont really care if everyone else thinks its crap.

*HINT* The AI still attacks the caller.

I use it in alliance battles to cap the outposts. Obviously I combine MS with other high damage AoE attacks. The NPC will run away but then come back to the same spot. It takes me less than 15 seconds to cap one outpost.

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