The Cult Of Barrage
Darkpower Alchemist
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Originally Posted by Maria The Princess
Me: "Veil GLF more trappers"
Bob: "please take me in im an experienced trapper"
*inviting Bob*
Bob: "my equiped skills are Barrage, trap 1, trap 2, trap 3 ,pet, pet rez, trall enguent, rebirth"
Me: "why barrage and pet? please take spike trap and drop pet for X spirit and X trap"
Bob: "but i like shooting alot of arrows and the MM needs my pet for minions"
i swear its true
please stop using barrage for EVERY mission there LOL!!! This is my point exactly as well. If you are joining a trapper group, why do you bring Barrage and a pet?
Not saying that I haven't used traps while using Barrage,but when I join a trapper group, they are looking for you to be a trapper. Hell,I've even used my bow with my traps in a major trap build,and the bow for an interupt. That was an isolated incident,and went well considering that I was underpowered with the bow, but I didn't use the bow to kill, since the traps did that job.
"Liking to shoot arrows" isn't a good enough reason to buck the system. If the group wants trappers, you trap. If the group calls for spike damage dealers or interupters, you do that. And, if the group is looking for a B/P Ranger, you go B/P.
It's the common sense of the ranger that makes or breaks him/her. The controlling mind is what will define a good,bad, or awesome ranger.
Sir Mad
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Originally Posted by daky
In my experience barrage is good in two places. Tombs and FoW (If you have a good stance tank) Otherwise your right, I would rather stick to a single target.
Sadly I have been kicked from groups for NOT using barrage. I usually laugh and know if I was kicked by some one who thought barrage was the god of all elites. Then I'm surly not missing out on a good group. The other areas of the game are not farmed (in a team), except SF and the Deep, so it's not surprising people don't make B/P teams for them. I'm sure if all the areas of the game were farmed, the standart build for half of them would be a barrage team - I'm not saying I'd love B/P everywhere, as I enjoy other builds, but that's effective nevertheless.
Actually Maria's example also illustrates my point: you have the perfect example of clueless pick-up player unable to think about a build and make something coherent. If I had to party with this dude (and they are many, unfortunately), in an area where barrage is a decent skill if not good, I'd rather have him go with a barrage build, because I know for once his build can't be that bad (as basically he's going to spam barrage and throw a couple of interrupts sometimes).
EDIT - Btw concerning FoW you don't need a stance tank: just use a normal B/P team - I dunno why many people on this forum suggest semi-balanced team for FoW when all the players I see in-game go with basic B/P teams. Is it some kind of regional difference? I play in EU and the most common build build for FoW is the plain and simple B/P...
Sadly I have been kicked from groups for NOT using barrage. I usually laugh and know if I was kicked by some one who thought barrage was the god of all elites. Then I'm surly not missing out on a good group. The other areas of the game are not farmed (in a team), except SF and the Deep, so it's not surprising people don't make B/P teams for them. I'm sure if all the areas of the game were farmed, the standart build for half of them would be a barrage team - I'm not saying I'd love B/P everywhere, as I enjoy other builds, but that's effective nevertheless.
Actually Maria's example also illustrates my point: you have the perfect example of clueless pick-up player unable to think about a build and make something coherent. If I had to party with this dude (and they are many, unfortunately), in an area where barrage is a decent skill if not good, I'd rather have him go with a barrage build, because I know for once his build can't be that bad (as basically he's going to spam barrage and throw a couple of interrupts sometimes).
EDIT - Btw concerning FoW you don't need a stance tank: just use a normal B/P team - I dunno why many people on this forum suggest semi-balanced team for FoW when all the players I see in-game go with basic B/P teams. Is it some kind of regional difference? I play in EU and the most common build build for FoW is the plain and simple B/P...
Maria The Princess
i see alot of balanced teams forming in TOA. they either looking for nukers or SS or B/P rangers.
Darkpower Alchemist
I have never played B/P in ToA,but truth is I haven't been hard in ToA since before factions. B/P groups can pretty much work in most areas as long as Kds are kept to a minimum,and the minions can intercept melee type enemies.
Well,on to my next thread.
Well,on to my next thread.
Livingston
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Originally Posted by Darkpower Alchemist
I have never played B/P in ToA,but truth is I haven't been hard in ToA since before factions. B/P groups can pretty much work in most areas as long as Kds are kept to a minimum,and the minions can intercept melee type enemies.
Well,on to my next thread. You haven't been hard in ToA since..?!?
No Mesmers or Eles around eh?
Well,on to my next thread. You haven't been hard in ToA since..?!?
No Mesmers or Eles around eh?
Darkpower Alchemist
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Originally Posted by Livingston
You haven't been hard in ToA since..?!?
No Mesmers or Eles around eh?
What B/P group hasn't taken down Eles or mesmers? They are all over the Tombs. Why worry about what you can handle when the obvious thing to worry about is if the rangers using Barrage are being interupted or KD'd?
That was the point of my statement, and the fact that I haven't felt the urge to play FoW or UW as much as before factions.
No Mesmers or Eles around eh?
What B/P group hasn't taken down Eles or mesmers? They are all over the Tombs. Why worry about what you can handle when the obvious thing to worry about is if the rangers using Barrage are being interupted or KD'd?That was the point of my statement, and the fact that I haven't felt the urge to play FoW or UW as much as before factions.
Livingston
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Originally Posted by Darkpower Alchemist
What B/P group hasn't taken down Eles or mesmers? They are all over the Tombs. Why worry about what you can handle when the obvious thing to worry about is if the rangers using Barrage are being interupted or KD'd?
That was the point of my statement, and the fact that I haven't felt the urge to play FoW or UW as much as before factions. Dude, you need to more ranks in your humor attribute.
My statement was nothing but a joke and had nothing to do with B/P groups, UW, or FoW.
Reread it. If you still don't get it, then you need to step away from the keyboard awhile and experience life a bit more...
Livingston
That was the point of my statement, and the fact that I haven't felt the urge to play FoW or UW as much as before factions. Dude, you need to more ranks in your humor attribute.
My statement was nothing but a joke and had nothing to do with B/P groups, UW, or FoW.
Reread it. If you still don't get it, then you need to step away from the keyboard awhile and experience life a bit more...
Livingston
vaxmor
barrage provides a minimum standard for PvErs, if you take a barrage ranger you at least know theres going to be some lvl of DPS coming out of him.
ss1986v2
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Originally Posted by vaxmor
barrage provides a minimum standard for PvErs, if you take a barrage ranger you at least know theres going to be some lvl of DPS coming out of him.
this has always been my stance on barrage, at least when it comes to PUGs. with some ranger ive never met before and who i have no idea of his skill level, id feel much more comfortable with him going 1...1...1...1...1... all day long then let him try and use his very own "uber pwnzz joooo!11!1!!" buillds (gotta love those nuking/flare rangers, ss rangers, healing rangers, or my favorite the mm rangers). barrage still has the ability to put out some nice dmg to multiple targets with a low cost and good spammability. whats not to like?
are there better options? sure, if you know what you are doing, then totally. but if ya dont know what you are doing, just keep hitting 1 and stay out of everyone elses way...
are there better options? sure, if you know what you are doing, then totally. but if ya dont know what you are doing, just keep hitting 1 and stay out of everyone elses way...
KazeMitsui
this thread is the reason why i a ranger all my game with pretty much only a ranger pve... tried an ele deleted at lvl 2 mesmer gone at lvl 4 necro gone at lvl 3 and sin gone at lvl 5... only ones that lived were warr n monk for what else farm...
but yea i only play my ranger as most of my guild knows and i am pretty much the one that my guild goes to for ranger stuff... we are ranked pretty high on ladder.. highest being 42 and now at 101... but yea... i just want to say this thread is why i only either go with
1) my guildies
2) my brother/cousin and their guild (only pvers guild)
3) hero/henchway which is 90% of the game
I beat all of nightfall with herohenchway and mastered every mission first try cept for drought one cause i didnt know how to do it till i pressed L and swore at myself for wasting my time... re did it and beat it in under 10 min...
but yea i would consider myself a pretty good ranger at 4mill exp... and without doing any solo farming at all (thats what my warr n monk are for). yet if i ever tried to join a pug they ask for barrage and im like no i got what i got and im not switching to someone that is probably not even that skilled at the game... so yea cantha was a lil harder for me to do since no one wanted rangers all that much.. so when i found out heros would be coming i was psyched and i was right heros/henchway >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than pugs believe me... but yea seriously i have no clue why everyone loves barrage... i for sure pretty much dislike but not hate the skill cause its the most boring thing ever.
YAY 1111111111111111111111111111111 so much fun are you having fun?
but yea my rant is off i guess...
im just trying to say this post is why i hero/hench it... and not ever join a pug...
oo one more thing i lied i joined a pug the other day and it saddens me that there were 3 rangers 1 being me... the other two from the same guild... one of them had apply poison and decided that he would rather do single target dmg.. i told him it would be better for him to spread it... guess what i got in return
STFU NOOB
so yea i was like whatever i beat the game... rangers i swear have the hate on them in pve cause of people like that that wont take advice... from others...
its cause of these others that give rangers a bad name and then drives me to play the game pretty much by myself... same goes for sins
ok im done flame me now or something cause thats all that happens in these threads....
but yea i only play my ranger as most of my guild knows and i am pretty much the one that my guild goes to for ranger stuff... we are ranked pretty high on ladder.. highest being 42 and now at 101... but yea... i just want to say this thread is why i only either go with
1) my guildies
2) my brother/cousin and their guild (only pvers guild)
3) hero/henchway which is 90% of the game
I beat all of nightfall with herohenchway and mastered every mission first try cept for drought one cause i didnt know how to do it till i pressed L and swore at myself for wasting my time... re did it and beat it in under 10 min...
but yea i would consider myself a pretty good ranger at 4mill exp... and without doing any solo farming at all (thats what my warr n monk are for). yet if i ever tried to join a pug they ask for barrage and im like no i got what i got and im not switching to someone that is probably not even that skilled at the game... so yea cantha was a lil harder for me to do since no one wanted rangers all that much.. so when i found out heros would be coming i was psyched and i was right heros/henchway >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than pugs believe me... but yea seriously i have no clue why everyone loves barrage... i for sure pretty much dislike but not hate the skill cause its the most boring thing ever.
YAY 1111111111111111111111111111111 so much fun are you having fun?
but yea my rant is off i guess...
im just trying to say this post is why i hero/hench it... and not ever join a pug...
oo one more thing i lied i joined a pug the other day and it saddens me that there were 3 rangers 1 being me... the other two from the same guild... one of them had apply poison and decided that he would rather do single target dmg.. i told him it would be better for him to spread it... guess what i got in return
STFU NOOB
so yea i was like whatever i beat the game... rangers i swear have the hate on them in pve cause of people like that that wont take advice... from others...
its cause of these others that give rangers a bad name and then drives me to play the game pretty much by myself... same goes for sins
ok im done flame me now or something cause thats all that happens in these threads....
Wolydarg
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Originally Posted by KazeMitsui
yet if i ever tried to join a pug they ask for barrage and im like no i got what i got and im not switching to someone that is probably not even that skilled at the game
YAY 1111111111111111111111111111111 so much fun are you having fun? I thought there was quite a bit of biased opinions in your post, but meh.
So say, hypothetically speaking, vizunah square, a random pug asks you to bring barrage since there will be huge fights with tons of afflicted, you'd say no, I wanna do single damage? Maybe the pug leader designated a tank to try to hold aggro and set up the other party members' bars accordingly, needing aoe damage rather than whatever build you wanted to do. Granted with such a vague scenario there's still a chance they didn't know any other ranger builds that worked but barrage, but straight out telling them you weren't going to cooperate in a pug isn't a great way to get respect as a ranger.
And this is a game, afterall, pressing 1 repeatedly may not seem fun to you, but people are free to enjoy the game however they want, it's their 50 bucks they spent, they're allowed to play however they want. Some people enjoy watching monsters die, some people don't want to take unnecesary aggro' even if it means speeding up the total time spent in a mission, that's their choice. Just because you think barraging is boring doesn't mean other people would kill themselves before playing a barrage ranger.
As stated before, barrage provides incredible damage coming from multiple rangers, even more with nature rituals and orders. I would bet that if all 3 rangers in that pug had barrage, the damage output would be greater than having an apply ranger giving out -4 pips of health regeneration as that's only 8 dps per target.
YAY 1111111111111111111111111111111 so much fun are you having fun? I thought there was quite a bit of biased opinions in your post, but meh.
So say, hypothetically speaking, vizunah square, a random pug asks you to bring barrage since there will be huge fights with tons of afflicted, you'd say no, I wanna do single damage? Maybe the pug leader designated a tank to try to hold aggro and set up the other party members' bars accordingly, needing aoe damage rather than whatever build you wanted to do. Granted with such a vague scenario there's still a chance they didn't know any other ranger builds that worked but barrage, but straight out telling them you weren't going to cooperate in a pug isn't a great way to get respect as a ranger.
And this is a game, afterall, pressing 1 repeatedly may not seem fun to you, but people are free to enjoy the game however they want, it's their 50 bucks they spent, they're allowed to play however they want. Some people enjoy watching monsters die, some people don't want to take unnecesary aggro' even if it means speeding up the total time spent in a mission, that's their choice. Just because you think barraging is boring doesn't mean other people would kill themselves before playing a barrage ranger.
As stated before, barrage provides incredible damage coming from multiple rangers, even more with nature rituals and orders. I would bet that if all 3 rangers in that pug had barrage, the damage output would be greater than having an apply ranger giving out -4 pips of health regeneration as that's only 8 dps per target.
KazeMitsui
yea pretty much cause vizunah square i remember that mission pretty well... where i capped broad head arrow
you see i didnt pug that i henched that all the way and got masters and i didnt have real people on my other team that too was henchmen so yea id rather take single dmg over barrage cause like you said my 50 dollars i play my way... but yea i havent pugged a mission since proph and probably the last time i did that was probably until i got to droks without a runner since i was poor back then
you see i didnt pug that i henched that all the way and got masters and i didnt have real people on my other team that too was henchmen so yea id rather take single dmg over barrage cause like you said my 50 dollars i play my way... but yea i havent pugged a mission since proph and probably the last time i did that was probably until i got to droks without a runner since i was poor back then
Perfected Shadow
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Against 6 targers, which, granted, don't usually all stay alive that long, you deal 17*6+5*6+17*6 damage/lifesteal, which adds up to 234 damage per Barrage. OoTV and OoP don't stack I'm fairly sure.
Regarding Oath Shot (read it somewhere in this thread can't find the post), does it recharge your Celestial Skill?
Back to Barrage: I'm used to alternating normal shots with barrage because I find that continually pressing it (as has been implied by 111111) disrupts the normal pattern of shooting whereby normal shots are cancelled to use barrage. Maybe it's the type of bow I use. So which type allows the spamming of Barrage without the shot cancelling effect?
KazeMitsui
if i recall i think i read hornbow with an IAS... im not sure but i think it was made maybe a couple pages or posts ago.. someone correct me on that...
Wolydarg
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Originally Posted by Perfected Shadow
OoTV and OoP don't stack I'm fairly sure.
Regarding Oath Shot (read it somewhere in this thread can't find the post), does it recharge your Celestial Skill?
Back to Barrage: I'm used to alternating normal shots with barrage because I find that continually pressing it (as has been implied by 111111) disrupts the normal pattern of shooting whereby normal shots are cancelled to use barrage. Maybe it's the type of bow I use. So which type allows the spamming of Barrage without the shot cancelling effect? 17 from the +17 inherent from using barrage
+5 for vamp
+17 for OoP or OoV at 16 blood.
Oath shot does not recharge celestial/res sigs as far as I know.
As for the attack speed of barrage, I remember seeing a thread a while ago that included testing that breaking the animation did not lower the overall DPs, contrary to popular beliefs. I may be wrong though..
Regarding Oath Shot (read it somewhere in this thread can't find the post), does it recharge your Celestial Skill?
Back to Barrage: I'm used to alternating normal shots with barrage because I find that continually pressing it (as has been implied by 111111) disrupts the normal pattern of shooting whereby normal shots are cancelled to use barrage. Maybe it's the type of bow I use. So which type allows the spamming of Barrage without the shot cancelling effect? 17 from the +17 inherent from using barrage
+5 for vamp
+17 for OoP or OoV at 16 blood.
Oath shot does not recharge celestial/res sigs as far as I know.
As for the attack speed of barrage, I remember seeing a thread a while ago that included testing that breaking the animation did not lower the overall DPs, contrary to popular beliefs. I may be wrong though..
clawofcrimson
try being a para with EXCELLENT bp team skills and getting a group...
its profession discrimination...check out my other threads to see what I mean (para thread)
its profession discrimination...check out my other threads to see what I mean (para thread)
Perfected Shadow
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17 from the +17 inherent from using barrage
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As for the attack speed of barrage, I remember seeing a thread a while ago that included testing that breaking the animation did not lower the overall DPs, contrary to popular beliefs. I may be wrong though..
k it's going to be hard to find this but I'll try
Age
I don't I prefer preps or punishing shot or even melandrus arrows over this and then there is poison arrow.I am not of the a cult of barrage users and I made a thread about them to and I do use crip shot in PvE sometimes.
Yobz
It seems that nobody with a ranged weapon knows how to body block. They get withing range and just hit the spacebar or whatever to auto-attack and then spam skills.
My fav character for defeating Shiro is my Ele/Mes who echo chains the celestial skill. If Shiro is body-blocked the mission can be over in under 30 seconds. I find that melee hench characters are pretty good and knowing how to run up right next to Shiro. I also take any warriors or assassins I see sitting around in town.
SnipiousMax
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Originally Posted by Perfected Shadow
k it's going to be hard to find this but I'll try
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...10&postcount=1
FalconDance
There *are* times when Barrage is a better skill than others.......I capped it with my Elonian ranger and used it in the Realm of Torment (can't remember the exact map right now). While I missed the degen effect of Burning Arrow, Barrage slowly put pay to the crowds of foe that insisted on standing in the way.
I would still say, however, that if a ranger (or other) said that Barrage is the ONLY way to play a ranger, they're a rank amateur at best. Former Ruling
Barrage is just...so easy to use in almost any PvE situation. PvE is overly focused on "pwn the hordes and hordes of enemy groups throughout the area" which gives Barrage more than enough opportunity to test out its AoE. Making it obviously the basic choice if there isn't some specifically better elite for the area.
Barrage is consistent DPS in an AoE skill that doesn't require any weird conditions be met to be effective, or require you keep reapplying a prep twice a minute, or require some weird specific scenario to be effective. This added to the fact that Rangers have some pretty poor elite choices for PvE overall and the fact that the ranger play style and primary attribute doesn't foster much love for Secondary prof elite usage and you have a very good understanding of why Barrage is choose. I admit that there are situations that call for not using Barrage, but in the bulk of the game it is just more to the advantage of the group to deal out consistent AoE dmg than to try to more focused approach on 1 enemy. If every class had consistent easy to use AoE I bet you all my plat that they'd be using it...almost solely. They basically are now anyways...Ele's are all instructed to be Nukers, Necros are all SS or MMs, etc. |
