mesmer = no one wants them in group..?

...and you made it through all of Nightfall and did not realize that people hate Mesmers? From personal experience.. i have heros and henchies, they did the job on all but one mission for me. So being in a position where you're going 'mesmer lfg' is not something I'm necessarily used to and it just drove home why my heros are going to be decked out with the appropriate runes/weapons. I can't be stuffed trying to get into a group next chapter if I have heros/henchies available.

Of course, that doesn't work with the elite areas, and... I will end up looking for a group, next time I feel like wasting an hour trying to convince people that mesmers aren't bad. (and when I feel like playing domination again)

...and you made it through all of Nightfall and did not realize that people hate Mesmers?

Mesmers don't have it the worst. They can have some fun with Cry of Frustration, atleast.

You should be pitying the Assassins and Dervish... um, I rarely get into pve and even I could immediately pick up the fact that dervishes pump out crazy amounts of damage in pve. Why would they be excluded?

Good luck finding 5 mesmers in the same outpost. Hell, good luck finding two!

They definitely have their uses, but for the most part, there simply aren't enough mesmer abilities that just kill crap. That's kind of excusable because that's not exactly the class's specialty, hell, people are complaining about it with spiritual pain. The fact that most mobs don't care if you interrupt them, strip their enchantments, energy-drain them, or whatever else generally means the only way to stop a mob from doing something is to just take them out. The fact that healer mobs are generally terrible makes this all the easier.

Most situations, I can't really think of anything a mesmer primary would offer over something as obvious as a N/Me SS necro with Backfire, who also gets tons of free energy from soul reaping.

.. against ONE single target only.. great for pvp, crap in pve ! What about the other 10 mobs ? You did not înterrupt/damage them yet. Let's have a look at AOEs, rangers have barrage, necros ss or minions, eles searing flames, even warriors have effective AOEs, mesmers don't. Fevered dreams, cry of Frustration is useless in comparison with ss or searing flames. Don't get me wrong, interrupting is nice but while a necro is devastating with ss, a mesmer is a joke with his/her single target spells in pve. both ss and minions break aggro in end-game and elite mis, and good nec dosnt always mm or ss, there r alot of nice builds...
but mes can do more than interrupts. bad mes suck, but then again, its not mes, its the player who started mes char suck... and it'll be the same for any prof...

my mes finished NF long time ago, i love playing with my guildies tho and in guild groups it dosnt matter what char i bring, evrbdy gets accepted and we kill evrthing fast... with or w/o mes, with 3 or 1 monks

but its not so easy to get into pug with my mes compare to my monk - its unfair of cos but oh well, life IS unfair

Energy Surge and Spiritual Pain are perhaps the two most overrated skills in the game. When you ignore conditionals, AoEs, casting times, and energy costs, yeah, sure, they're overrated.

Peace,
-CxE

Personally, I started my mesmer as my 4th character in Prophesies. I adepted the mesmer style known as 'Evolution', based on some old post about synergy between the mesmer skills. Its effectivity came into notice at my first tour at the Ring of Fire. A team felt sorry for the little mesmer standing around and crying, so they took her in. The team cried in despair when the first boss appeared to be the Monk and the Warrior one. 5 seconds after initiating the fight, the Monk boss was dead. The team went: WTF! that boss very hard to take down. And the little mesmer whistles innocently...
Wooh, i cant be certain but that sounds like that mesmer was mine cause i remember doing that to get a party there and then owning the bosses. My mesmers a delicate sort she likes to cry alot for attention.

I would take a mesmer in my party anytime, id rather have a mesmer in my team than an warrior or even an Ele. Mesmers are so unrated and yet so powerful. Go go power mesmers.

Not sure how to respond to all this o_O

I myself get abit cautious when letting a mes in the group. I've always viewed them as a pvp class. I don't do any hardcore pvp but I at least know the basics. In pve, it's alot easier to play an SS nec (which is a tad similar to mesmers with the hexes and armor-ignoring dmg, etc) than a....domination mes? That's another prob....they don't even got a pve build name >_O There's barragers, MMs, tanks, rt lords, nukers, and in DoA's case, SF nukers, the spirit rangers, etc, but with a mesmer it's just "mesmer lfg". Or "degen mes lfg". If a party member is only doing degen, that won't be very helpful.

I'm not saying mesmers are useless in pve, but in the few times I party with one, I usually have almost no idea what they're gonna be doing since they just type out "domination mes" or "mesmer lfg" and the party leader accepts them anyways since they sometimes accept absolutely anyone who requests to join (which is very common). If they are just saying mesmer lfg, then I usually get the feeling they tossed a bunch of random skills into somethin that just won't work. If the mesmer just joined for the purpose of interrupting, a ranger would probably outdo them on that since their interrupts are much cheaper and got constant dmg-output from barrage or whatever elite they're using. E-surge seems to be used abit for pve mesmers but it just isnt enough, 80 armor-ignoring damage, but a 20sec recharge. The energy-loss isn't really a bonus either since it's usually absolutely pointless to do e-denial in pve.

If you did know beforehand that mesmers are much more wanted in pvp rather than pve, you'd know you were taking a "big" risk. Some mesmers might be sitting in an outpost for a long time since most pve'ers haven't really seen a mesmers skills, besides the popular ones like Empathy and Backfire.

Is there a link to a useful pve mes build (I don't visit these forums often)? If so please post it, otherwise I'd recommend comin up with one, and posting it so that way more people can see what mesmers are capable of. I myself don't get excited about havin one in the pve party and I never made a pve mes to experiment so......enlighten me too well thats a good thing, as mesmer i run a different build for every area/situation, based on team set-up etc. making set builds would reduce the effectiveness of the mesmer.