Recently I have been using Rampage as One in a sword build (After seeing my friend in AB using one) The build I got so far is:
12 Sword
9 Expertise
14 Beast
Rampage as One
Sever artery
Gash
Final Thrust
Disrupting lunge
Whriling defence
Charm animal
comfort animal
I was just wondering if:
Would it be better to replace Whriling defence with Predatory bond?
If I used this outside of AB, which skill should I replce for a res sig?
Just seeing if I could get some good adivce, Thanks in advanced.
P.S: don't flame me please.
Ranger sword build questions.
Shuuda
Darkpower Alchemist
Lol, I don't think you should be flamed. We all have to have fun playing our rangers. In the beginning, I played with a sword Ranger. I had alot of fun. A whole lot of fun.
My wolf was so cool then. Now I have a phoenix, and I just found a Broadblade Scimitar that calls my name at night. LOL!
Anyway, i'll see if I can improve on your current build. First, you aren't using a shield? That puts you at a great disadvantage against any/all warriors, which means you need to apply pressure, since you cant beat them in a sword fight. Pet in tow, and at 14 BM may seem nice,but you are only keeping the pet alive, and you aren't even able to save yourself if worst comes to worst.
No tactics,no wilderness survival, and one defensive stance makes for a deadly combination,as in you being dead and the people you are teaming with being without a ranger.
[skill=big]Rampage as One[/skill]
Your elite with your BM being at 14 makes for a nearly constant useage. That is good, but you are really relying on a monk to heal you in this build, or the pets damage to be greater than yours,which I have been told is the case in high BM stats. This weakness may be the reason why Thumpers exist.
If you want to be effective as a swordsman, you need to apply poison to your sword, so that the bleeding and deep wound can be more effective. Final Thrust may cause good/great damage, but poison will be better in the long run,imo.
[skill=big]Apply Poison[/skill]
Look into applying poison into your build, and your swordsmanship will not be a matter. Ill check out more an get back to you.
My wolf was so cool then. Now I have a phoenix, and I just found a Broadblade Scimitar that calls my name at night. LOL!
Anyway, i'll see if I can improve on your current build. First, you aren't using a shield? That puts you at a great disadvantage against any/all warriors, which means you need to apply pressure, since you cant beat them in a sword fight. Pet in tow, and at 14 BM may seem nice,but you are only keeping the pet alive, and you aren't even able to save yourself if worst comes to worst.
No tactics,no wilderness survival, and one defensive stance makes for a deadly combination,as in you being dead and the people you are teaming with being without a ranger.
[skill=big]Rampage as One[/skill]
Your elite with your BM being at 14 makes for a nearly constant useage. That is good, but you are really relying on a monk to heal you in this build, or the pets damage to be greater than yours,which I have been told is the case in high BM stats. This weakness may be the reason why Thumpers exist.
If you want to be effective as a swordsman, you need to apply poison to your sword, so that the bleeding and deep wound can be more effective. Final Thrust may cause good/great damage, but poison will be better in the long run,imo.
[skill=big]Apply Poison[/skill]
Look into applying poison into your build, and your swordsmanship will not be a matter. Ill check out more an get back to you.
Shuuda
Apply posion would cost too much energy to run.
I should have mentioned that my pet is a Dire wolf, so he can do good damage. I was thinking of adding Riposte to the build, because I can build adren fast, and spam it Vs Melee, for a bit of extra defence + Damage, but then I'd have to add points to tactics, which means taking points out of other need attriubes. I have tested the build in RA, and was able to slay a few warriors(Disrupting lunge stops their heal + res sig) and other proffessions. It has nice damage out put due to the high speed attack from both me and my dire pet.
P.S: Nothing you said actually answered my questions.
I should have mentioned that my pet is a Dire wolf, so he can do good damage. I was thinking of adding Riposte to the build, because I can build adren fast, and spam it Vs Melee, for a bit of extra defence + Damage, but then I'd have to add points to tactics, which means taking points out of other need attriubes. I have tested the build in RA, and was able to slay a few warriors(Disrupting lunge stops their heal + res sig) and other proffessions. It has nice damage out put due to the high speed attack from both me and my dire pet.
P.S: Nothing you said actually answered my questions.
Jeff Highwind
...What the? My BM is only 11 and it lasts 21 seconds. Might need to update that image.
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Rampage_as_One
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Rampage_as_One
Shuuda
I felt like adding more to my beastmasterey for damage from Blitzkrieg.
lennymon
if you want poison without respeccing, just add in poisonous bite, for RA I'd recommend both whirling and predatory bond but not so much for AB...for AB id respec to pure tactics (no swordsmanship) and put in riposte/deadly riposte, you'll get better defense when you need it, and damage (and a shield), and your pet will continue to maul the opponents
so it'd look kinda like this
Expertise 9+1
BM 12+4
tactics 9
[skill]Riposte[/skill][skill]Deadly Riposte[/skill][skill]Healing Signet[/skill][skill]Disrupting Lunge[/skill][skill]Rampage as One[/skill][skill]Comfort Animal[/skill][skill]Charm Animal[/skill][skill]Poisonous Bite[/skill]
ok, for some reason riposte and deadly riposte aren't coming up as icons, but put those in. I'd personally recommend either scavenger strike or predator's pounce over poisonous bite though.
so it'd look kinda like this
Expertise 9+1
BM 12+4
tactics 9
[skill]Riposte[/skill][skill]Deadly Riposte[/skill][skill]Healing Signet[/skill][skill]Disrupting Lunge[/skill][skill]Rampage as One[/skill][skill]Comfort Animal[/skill][skill]Charm Animal[/skill][skill]Poisonous Bite[/skill]
ok, for some reason riposte and deadly riposte aren't coming up as icons, but put those in. I'd personally recommend either scavenger strike or predator's pounce over poisonous bite though.
Shuuda
Well, Riposte are powerful, but what happens Vs casters? I tested the build at the top in both RA and AB (in AB I replaced disrupting lunge for troll), I got a 10 win streak in RA, killing a good few each round (normally 2 each round) and it worked ok in AB.
lennymon
well, whirling ain't gonna help vs casters either, the best defense for caster is a strong offense 
I'm not saying this build is by any means the best, but its what I'd use in AB if I were going to run BM/sword
I'd focus on pet dealing damage, and assist where I could, tactics gives shield defense and self heal, and ripostes. I'd absolutely NEVER replace disrupting lunge in this build in any pvp situation though.
I'm not saying this build is by any means the best, but its what I'd use in AB if I were going to run BM/sword
I'd focus on pet dealing damage, and assist where I could, tactics gives shield defense and self heal, and ripostes. I'd absolutely NEVER replace disrupting lunge in this build in any pvp situation though.
Shuuda
Well..... Riposte won't give offence Vs Casters, I do enjoy lots of beastmaster builds, but having a build where we both do the damage is nice.
lennymon
I see what you mean, I suppose you could go with deadly riposte and like thrill of victory/soldier's strike since they are tactics attack skills, but I'd focus on pet damage, which will be more than you were dealing before anyways.
Shuuda
Well, the sword I'm using does ebon damage, so that's good Vs foe with AL Vs slashing. To be honest I don't see why ramapage as one is in your build idea, call of Haste would be better. RAO is good if you want both player and pet doing damage equally.
Milan-V
Jaizhenju Strike
Pure Strike
Sever Artery
Gash
Beastial Fury
Heal As One
Charm Animal
Res
Do that with vamp sword and you'll get some kills for sure
For example: I pwned ALL sins with it, and yeah the healing is good.
Pure Strike
Sever Artery
Gash
Beastial Fury
Heal As One
Charm Animal
Res
Do that with vamp sword and you'll get some kills for sure
For example: I pwned ALL sins with it, and yeah the healing is good.
lennymon
its not 'my build idea' its yours... I just modded it 
to try and help you with ideas.
only thing I did was changed to tactics.
here's what I'd run with beast mastery if I just wanted to have both deal damage:
silencing recurve of defense or vamp (i also use concussion shot in this build)
marks 10+1
beast 12+1+3
expertise 8+1
and I'd problably run this:
distracting shot
crossfire
savage shot
Ferocious strike
disrupting lunge
run as one or read the wind depending on map for AB, read the wind for any other situation.
charm
comfort
but that wouldn't have answered your question. No build will have no weaknesses, it's inherent in the 200 attributes/8 skills on the bar part of guild wars and one of the main reasons pvp is so much better in GW than almost any other game. A 'general' build has just as many drawbacks as a 'specialized' build. You'll not this is weak on self defense/heal, thats going to be a problem with a limit of 8 skills on the bar and both pet/player attacks.
to try and help you with ideas.only thing I did was changed to tactics.
here's what I'd run with beast mastery if I just wanted to have both deal damage:
silencing recurve of defense or vamp (i also use concussion shot in this build)
marks 10+1
beast 12+1+3
expertise 8+1
and I'd problably run this:
distracting shot
crossfire
savage shot
Ferocious strike
disrupting lunge
run as one or read the wind depending on map for AB, read the wind for any other situation.
charm
comfort
but that wouldn't have answered your question. No build will have no weaknesses, it's inherent in the 200 attributes/8 skills on the bar part of guild wars and one of the main reasons pvp is so much better in GW than almost any other game. A 'general' build has just as many drawbacks as a 'specialized' build. You'll not this is weak on self defense/heal, thats going to be a problem with a limit of 8 skills on the bar and both pet/player attacks.
Shuuda
Quote:
Originally Posted by Milan-V
Jaizhenju Strike
Pure Strike
Sever Artery
Gash
Beastial Fury
Heal As One
Charm Animal
Res
Do that with vamp sword and you'll get some kills for sure For example: I pwned ALL sins with it, and yeah the healing is good.
A good assassin (Like me) could beat that easy, all I have to do is, way of the fox - shock - falling spider - blinding powder - Twisting fangs, and that would be you dead, I hope by saying you pwned ALL sin, you didn't mean to mock them, because if you disrespect assassins, you disrespect me!
Pure Strike
Sever Artery
Gash
Beastial Fury
Heal As One
Charm Animal
Res
Do that with vamp sword and you'll get some kills for sure
For example: I pwned ALL sins with it, and yeah the healing is good.
A good assassin (Like me) could beat that easy, all I have to do is, way of the fox - shock - falling spider - blinding powder - Twisting fangs, and that would be you dead, I hope by saying you pwned ALL sin, you didn't mean to mock them, because if you disrespect assassins, you disrespect me!
Yue
For TA, this is a pretty fun one:
Apply Poison
Hamstring
Sever Artery
Gash
Final Thrust
Ferocious Strike (E)
Charm Animal
Rez Sig
Another one:
Apply Poison
Sever
Gash
Final Thrust
Rape as One (E)
Charm Animal
Comfort Animal
Rez Sig
You don't really need to spec many points into wilderness since every hit reapplies the poison anyway.
Apply Poison
Hamstring
Sever Artery
Gash
Final Thrust
Ferocious Strike (E)
Charm Animal
Rez Sig
Another one:
Apply Poison
Sever
Gash
Final Thrust
Rape as One (E)
Charm Animal
Comfort Animal
Rez Sig
You don't really need to spec many points into wilderness since every hit reapplies the poison anyway.
Shuuda
Rape as One......... I hope you meant Rampage as one.
Etrik
LOL, Rape as One. Wow, some people's imagination is just.. wow.
Anywho, R/W with Rampage should always be a hammer warrior. KD+Brutal Mauling = gg.
Anywho, R/W with Rampage should always be a hammer warrior. KD+Brutal Mauling = gg.
Shuuda
Quote:
Originally Posted by Etrik
LOL, Rape as One. Wow, some people's imagination is just.. wow.
Anywho, R/W with Rampage should always be a hammer warrior. KD+Brutal Mauling = gg. No offence, but if that is what you really think, then you have no imagination. R/W and be just as good with a sword.
Anywho, R/W with Rampage should always be a hammer warrior. KD+Brutal Mauling = gg. No offence, but if that is what you really think, then you have no imagination. R/W and be just as good with a sword.
LightningHell
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shuuda
No offence, but if that is what you really think, then you have no imagination. R/W and be just as good with a sword.
R/W are useful because Expertise allows him/her to spam energy skills, something that a Warrior cannot do. While Hammers have Irresistible Blow and Crushing Blow as really good Energy skills, Sword doesn't really have any.
Sometimes it's better not to insult other people's imaginations. His statement is correct, you are gimping yourself to a certain extent by using R/W Sword.
(Even if you could use the Sword as well as a Warrior, it's still a shame to give up the hammer because of the obvious synergy between Expertise and hammer skills.)
Sometimes it's better not to insult other people's imaginations. His statement is correct, you are gimping yourself to a certain extent by using R/W Sword.
(Even if you could use the Sword as well as a Warrior, it's still a shame to give up the hammer because of the obvious synergy between Expertise and hammer skills.)
Dutch Masterr
this is the sword build i use---
wilderness--10-12
expertise-12-13
sword-12
skills--apply poison, sever artery, gash, hamstring, wild blow, escape, whirling defense, troll unguent.
take out whirling defense, wild blow or hamstring for galrath slash or final thrust.
wilderness--10-12
expertise-12-13
sword-12
skills--apply poison, sever artery, gash, hamstring, wild blow, escape, whirling defense, troll unguent.
take out whirling defense, wild blow or hamstring for galrath slash or final thrust.
Shuuda
The hammer build just seems like searing flames to me, I don't want to do what everyone else is doing, that's boring, I idea of the hammer build is good, but I prefer speed over power, so I like using swords.
Jeff Highwind
I prefer the hammer in PvP because alot of tanks and runners lose their cool once KD'd and the added pressure of seeing 50's and 30's (Pet) twice a second from RaO causes further panic.
The only thing I don't like about Thumper is the lack of Healing, Signet or Unguent. I was able to slip in WD but that's about it.
In any case, if you plan to AB it is vital that you bring Wild Blow and Antidote Signet because both ends have Touchers.
The only thing I don't like about Thumper is the lack of Healing, Signet or Unguent. I was able to slip in WD but that's about it.
In any case, if you plan to AB it is vital that you bring Wild Blow and Antidote Signet because both ends have Touchers.
Shuuda
Once I get a good hammer, I will try it out, Victo's maul is a nice cheap option.
Jeff Highwind
HAha, great minds think alike! I bought a Victo Maul for 1k down at Tombs.
Shuuda
some scammer said it was worth 7K according to Wiki (do wiki even do price checks?)
Jeff Highwind
HAHAHAH 7k!? AHAHAHAHAH!
But Seriously, the guy's not a scammer just a lowballer. It's a common economic practice. Just noob fish a bit more, try looking in the price range of 2-4k. I only got it for 1k because I am an EXPERT Negotiator. ;D
But Seriously, the guy's not a scammer just a lowballer. It's a common economic practice. Just noob fish a bit more, try looking in the price range of 2-4k. I only got it for 1k because I am an EXPERT Negotiator. ;D
Shuuda
I also got price of 10K and 20K.
I've tried the Hammer Version, but I fail to see how it is better than the sword version, even with RAO, it's still slow. The Knock down and slightly higher damage are the only things really that stand out as better than my sword version.
Sword Version:
-Very fast, high speed damage, and good with distracting blow.
- better energy
- More conditions
Hammer Version:
- Fast....... as far as hammers go.
- Good Knock downs
- good damage
I've tried the Hammer Version, but I fail to see how it is better than the sword version, even with RAO, it's still slow. The Knock down and slightly higher damage are the only things really that stand out as better than my sword version.
Sword Version:
-Very fast, high speed damage, and good with distracting blow.
- better energy
- More conditions
Hammer Version:
- Fast....... as far as hammers go.
- Good Knock downs
- good damage
Milan-V
Speed buffed sword >> speed buffed hammer.
Also I might suggest, since youre a sin, using R/A. With right build (low recharge) and beatial fury (no pet thou) you can output very high dps.
Also I might suggest, since youre a sin, using R/A. With right build (low recharge) and beatial fury (no pet thou) you can output very high dps.
Shuuda
Burst of aggersion with A/W >>> Beastial fury R/A.
Plus I just hate R/A daggers.
Plus I just hate R/A daggers.
Jeff Highwind
Yea, Burst of Aggression is pretty f***ing hardcore. That's like the only thing I fear in AB.
And I was plotting to make R/A daggers but that would require me to spend more money. >_<
And I was plotting to make R/A daggers but that would require me to spend more money. >_<
LightningHell
My point is, a R/W Sword has no advantages over W/X Sword. R/W Hammer has Expertise.
Shuuda
Well, you get the Ranger defenive stances that don't end if you use a skill, and you can build up adren faster, without making you weaker like Frenzy and Flurry do. And, the damage outup is for the R/W sword build is higher than the W/amy sword, because both me and my Dire pet are attacking very fast, doing about 17 - 23 damage each.
LightningHell
True, I neglect the pet.
However, you are IMO merely sacrificing survivability for damage. Not to say, all Thumpers are like that, but the Hammer thumper gets to spam Irresistible Blow. It's a really nice skill.
However, you are IMO merely sacrificing survivability for damage. Not to say, all Thumpers are like that, but the Hammer thumper gets to spam Irresistible Blow. It's a really nice skill.
Jeff Highwind
Heh, I subbed out Irresistable Blow for Wild Blow just to piss off touchers in AB. Watch the little buggers panic as Whirling Defense go's up then disappears.
Shuuda
You cannot really spam Irresistible Blow that much, or else you wouldn't be able to reaply RAO as fast. And I would say that wild blow is alot better, as Jeff said, it get rid of the stance, so all your attacks hit, rather than just a knock down.
Sir Mad
Quote:
Silk Weaver
R/A? Haha, if you say. It's like saying a warrior is better than a thumper. They have similar roles but have differences. In the example I gave, it would bre pressure at the cost of versatility. For R/As, it's speed of ganks for flagstand spikes/deepwound.
Rape as One? Bestiary... kinky. I don't see why you'd use a sword over a hammer, in any case.
Rape as One? Bestiary... kinky. I don't see why you'd use a sword over a hammer, in any case.
Dutch Masterr
my warrior always kills thumpers and sword rangers...its exremley easy. as a warrior in pvp, i alway always always bring wild blow. if you encounter gladiators defense, escape, lightning reflexes, whirling defense, etc...you take it right off, because usually these skills are their only defense and when its gone they have nothing to rely on. from expirience, ive noticed very few r/w or w/x bring wild blow. it confuses me why you wouldnt bring it as a melle character seeing as you are going to be the one fighting other melle characters, who of course use stances.(usually)....dont get me wrong, i dont kill every one of them and they kill me sometimes but the truth is, most r/w believe they can tank which is just not right.
Thom Bangalter
No one has come out yet to just blatantly state that the idea is awful?
weird.
I have tried out a R/W axe ranger, and it was almost good. The thing that's so strong about thumpers is the disruption provided through knockdown, and how well expertise synergized with irresistable and crushing blow. If the disruption isn't there, you should just run a warrior.
weird.
I have tried out a R/W axe ranger, and it was almost good. The thing that's so strong about thumpers is the disruption provided through knockdown, and how well expertise synergized with irresistable and crushing blow. If the disruption isn't there, you should just run a warrior.
The Ernada
I remember way back when the game first came out, people were yelling at me at how a Hammer Ranger was the most awful idea anyone could come up with. Now, how popular and effective are these Thumpers these days? And no, I'm not claiming the invention of the Thumper at all.
I say let people play whatever they want to play as long as it doesnt effect you (i.e. being on your team) Besides, this is just for PVE. Almost any decent build will work in PVE.
I say let people play whatever they want to play as long as it doesnt effect you (i.e. being on your team) Besides, this is just for PVE. Almost any decent build will work in PVE.