Does anyone know if Anet puts leaching into the same catagory as extreme farming, and the use of bots?
I say extreme farming, because I know they dont mind casual farming.
And Leaching meaning those who enter missions or challenges and just stand there and dont help, to reap the benefits of others.
I ask because I know Anet uses software to detecet behaviour similar to bots. Meaning the watch for repetitive motions and actions and behaviour, to determine if a player is real or not.
So does that work with leaching too? Because in essence, leachers are doing the same action repeatadly. Pressing enter challenge and just standing there.
So does that mean Anet detects them doing it, and can ban them?
or do they even care whether people leach, since they only seem to consider something unfair and illegal if it gives someone an unfair advantage over others.
And technically leaching doesnt, because you dont gain as much faction (in instance of challenges) when you leach, as apose to taking part.
Before anyone asks. Im completely against leaching and extreme farming and certainly the use of bots. My main reason for asking is if there was some way to prevent leaching?
What is Anet's take on "Leeching"?
freekedoutfish
Yanman.be
Leeching in PvE should not be penalized, it's the group's fault for taking idiots.
In PvP, there should be a penalty...
In PvP, there should be a penalty...
lishi
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Leeching in PvE should not be penalized, it's the group's fault for taking idiots.
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but its also hard when someone is afk and im screaming lets go back i hate freeloader 70% of the group keep going ahead.
BoredJoe
A.Net regard leeching as fine as far as I know. Some of the leechers in FA have probably gained many hundreds of thousands of gold just by leeching. In a way I'm surprised the chinese farmers haven't migrated to FA international yet. It may not be the fastest way to make gold but it's the easiest.
Sab
I recall ANet saying there is nothing wrong with leeching, and therefore they won't be fixing the mechanics or banning leechers anytime soon. I wish they would do something about it though...
Navaros
Anet has said "leeching is not a support issue".
Raven Oakgrove
I wish A-net would do something about it . I dont complain much ,but "leeching" is/has been bad at FA . This past thursday morning I had 5 leechers and then 1 other quit , not that it would have helped 3 vs 8 ?
What happens in that case if all of the people who are playing leave and leave the leechers ? do they get points or does it bone the other team as well ? I wouldnt want to grief the other side just since im mad about leechers ?
What happens in that case if all of the people who are playing leave and leave the leechers ? do they get points or does it bone the other team as well ? I wouldnt want to grief the other side just since im mad about leechers ?
freekedoutfish
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Originally Posted by Raven Oakgrove
I wish A-net would do something about it . I dont complain much ,but "leeching" is/has been bad at FA . This past thursday morning I had 5 leechers and then 1 other quit , not that it would have helped 3 vs 8 ?
What happens in that case if all of the people who are playing leave and leave the leechers ? do they get points or does it bone the other team as well ? I wouldnt want to grief the other side just since im mad about leechers ? |
lacasner
No, there is no problem with being afk
Darkobra
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Originally Posted by Raven Oakgrove
I wish A-net would do something about it . I dont complain much ,but "leeching" is/has been bad at FA . This past thursday morning I had 5 leechers and then 1 other quit , not that it would have helped 3 vs 8 ?
What happens in that case if all of the people who are playing leave and leave the leechers ? do they get points or does it bone the other team as well ? I wouldnt want to grief the other side just since im mad about leechers ? |
Gli
I needed to boost my Kurzick faction up to 10,000 last week, and tried a few bouts of Aspenwood. Never again! I can't believe there's still so many leechers out there. Really, if I'd had anything to do with designing that mission, I'd be all over myself to find a way to stop leeching. Don't these ANet designers have any pride in their work?
(Then a guildie got online and we decided to try Duel of the Houses with the 2 of us plus 6 heroes. That quest is kind of patheticly easy, playing that way. We spent much more time resigning and walking back for the next battle than wiping out the opposition.)
(Then a guildie got online and we decided to try Duel of the Houses with the 2 of us plus 6 heroes. That quest is kind of patheticly easy, playing that way. We spent much more time resigning and walking back for the next battle than wiping out the opposition.)
Malice Black
Another leeching thread is needed because?
Riotgear
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Originally Posted by Navaros
Anet has said "leeching is not a support issue".
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Of course, people are welcome to keep reporting them. Waste enough of their time/money with support and abuse tickets and perhaps they'll take action.
Navaros
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Originally Posted by Riotgear
I don't remember the specifics, but that statement had to do with how they were being reported, not the lack of action being taken on them.
Of course, people are welcome to keep reporting them. Waste enough of their time/money with support and abuse tickets and perhaps they'll take action. |
freekedoutfish
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Originally Posted by The Admins Bane
Another leeching thread is needed because?
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Dev121
It's the same as the majority of scamming , its just a issue that usualy goes untouched ... if you get a leecher and you relise straight away , just leave and dont waste your time playing for a idiot.
Franco Power
No, Anet doesnt care about leechers, all you got to do is leave the mission and resign, you not going to die because someone decided or HAD to go afk.
Riotgear
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Originally Posted by Navaros
What specifically are you basing those statements on, merely wishful thinking?
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Navaros
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Originally Posted by Riotgear
It was something to the effect of "not a support issue" being to report it as a violation instead of a customer support issue, because the customer service dept. can't do anything about it.
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Gaile said don't send in any tickets at all about leeching, end of story. Anet doesn't wanna hear about it.
Jimyd
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Unfortunately, the rules of FA are, only three games can go on at one time. If every one leaves the leechers on both sides (which won't happen, one side will take the easy win), then that's one less game that can be held at that time. If all three games happen like this, then that's the end of that.
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Darcy
FA = Fort Aspenwood
And I believe the majority of the leechers are from the other side, ensuring a win for their side. And there are many threads on this, but no easy solution.
ANet was inundated with reports, but anyone accused of deliberately leeching could just blame lag. Who could prove differently?
And I believe the majority of the leechers are from the other side, ensuring a win for their side. And there are many threads on this, but no easy solution.
ANet was inundated with reports, but anyone accused of deliberately leeching could just blame lag. Who could prove differently?
Count to Potato
Leeching is only beaing being really really really annoying, just so you all het POed, it really is unfair to the gamer, but its had to stop it
Quid Pro Quo
Anet's take:
Unfortunate but not somthing they will deal with. Technically no rules broken.
Unfortunate but not somthing they will deal with. Technically no rules broken.
BoredJoe
Yeah it's kinda interesting how they nerf chest runs, running and solo farming but leave leeching as it is. Maybe so few people play in FA its not worth A.Net's time to even look at it. 3 games simultaneously is not a lot of people.
Personally I'd prefer it if they just shut down FA and the Jade Quarry arenas. that would solve the problem.
Personally I'd prefer it if they just shut down FA and the Jade Quarry arenas. that would solve the problem.
Whiplashr
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And we needed a comment with such a negative torn because?
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I mean, it's not in any way constructive or helpful. It's not his place (or any non moderators place) to lecture anyone else about thread content, nor do the occasional thread like this hurt *anything* at all.
Nope, it's not constructive or helpful in any way. The only reason people ever act like he and so many other people do is because they have a deep, burning need to put themselves out there and demonstrate superiority.
What's gained by making others feel bad? What's gained by making others out to be inferior to yourself?
That's right, nothing.. except that it pumps you up in the process.
Malice Black
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Yeah it's kinda interesting how they nerf chest runs, running and solo farming but leave leeching as it is. Maybe so few people play in FA its not worth A.Net's time to even look at it. 3 games simultaneously is not a lot of people.
Personally I'd prefer it if they just shut down FA and the Jade Quarry arenas. that would solve the problem. |
Running: Any decent runner can still do it. Also aimed at bots, since droks trolls was one of their main farming areas.
Solo Farming: Again done to limit bot damage on the game.
Leeching has no major effect on the game as a whole.
BoredJoe
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Nerf chest runs: Stop bots gaining easy golds to sell.
Running: Any decent runner can still do it. Also aimed at bots, since droks trolls was one of their main farming areas. Solo Farming: Again done to limit bot damage on the game. Leeching has no major effect on the game as a whole. |
With leeching not having an effect on the game isn't PvP supposed to be one of these end game activities that A.Net are trying to drive people to? If leechers drive people away from this arena then they're essentially driving people away from the game. FA is more of a fun arena for the casual player. It's different from the other arenas in the game (it's random and like a battleground) so there isn't really an alternative to FA and the type of player who frequent it (me!).
Former Ruling
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Tbh the only change I've noticed from the nerfs is more people complaining, prices have gone down but I thought this was due to inscriptions more than anything else. Golds should go up, especially rare golds, with chest runs gone but stuff is pretty cheap. I suppose with solo farming harder there should be less gold around meaning prices should drop but I think it's more the increased supply of items that's pushing prices down and greens dropping all over the place.
With leeching not having an effect on the game isn't PvP supposed to be one of these end game activities that A.Net are trying to drive people to? If leechers drive people away from this arena then they're essentially driving people away from the game. FA is more of a fun arena for the casual player. It's different from the other arenas in the game (it's random and like a battleground) so there isn't really an alternative to FA and the type of player who frequent it (me!). |
They have direct and obvious PvE goals, you just happen to be able to attack the other team while you are doing it.
With JQ especially (and on a smaller scale FA) you actually complete the task of the mission far quicker by not just always attacking the other team. Any loses in there are almost always due to either more leechers on one team than the other, or people just fighting each other instead of doing the tasks to win the mission.
BoredJoe
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You are taking FA and JQ way to seriously....They aren't PvP btw. Not truly.
They have direct and obvious PvE goals, you just happen to be able to attack the other team while you are doing it. With JQ especially (and on a smaller scale FA) you actually complete the task of the mission far quicker by not just always attacking the other team. Any loses in there are almost always due to either more leechers on one team than the other, or people just fighting each other instead of doing the tasks to win the mission. |
Gregslot
Its no the teams fault that somone decided to leech.
Some people join the group, even interact with you, say that he is ready and then when we join the game he simply does not respond. these people join the group with the purpose of standing there and leech.
Some people even get their friends to leech. Another day a ranger and a elementalists asked to join my group (they were both from the same guild), the ranger played and all, but the elementalists started "leeching" as soon as the game started, and the ranger said his buddy had to be afk... when the game ended he came back to play another round... coincidence?
Maybe they shouldnt allow people to get faction inside the base, that would decrease significantly the number of leechers.
Some people join the group, even interact with you, say that he is ready and then when we join the game he simply does not respond. these people join the group with the purpose of standing there and leech.
Some people even get their friends to leech. Another day a ranger and a elementalists asked to join my group (they were both from the same guild), the ranger played and all, but the elementalists started "leeching" as soon as the game started, and the ranger said his buddy had to be afk... when the game ended he came back to play another round... coincidence?
Maybe they shouldnt allow people to get faction inside the base, that would decrease significantly the number of leechers.
Maria The Princess
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Nerf chest runs: Stop bots gaining easy golds to sell.
Running: Any decent runner can still do it. Also aimed at bots, since droks trolls was one of their main farming areas. Solo Farming: Again done to limit bot damage on the game. Leeching has no major effect on the game as a whole. |
then the real player trades those for jade/amber and sells, or donates to allience (if they are FF maniacs but dont wanna do it themselves).
but they are bots
Matsumi
I don't think they should shut down those two places, that just sounds like the wishes of somebody leeching. They are really fun maps to get into and have a working team accomplishing the goals together to win. I would like to go back there some time and play those two places again with my derv and paragon, but I know with it would come the leechers. Kind of disappointing really. I don't mind at all playing with people that are new to those maps, because at least they TRY, where as somebody leeching doesn't even give a rats ass, and ruins everyone's fun in the process. I almost see if as a form of griefing really, and I think leechers should be banned from the game, or at least aspenwood and jade quarry.
Yichi
its pve. who cares ?!
Former Ruling
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True I should just not go there. Stick my head in the sand and be happy in the knowledge ppl are joining with 4-6 leechers. Not my problem.
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But some would argue that Random Arenas is supposed to be your first venture into PvP (its the first true "arena" unlocked on the battle isles), and it gives a negative impression of PvP where you are free to ragequit and grief.
But that arguement again is taking RA alittle seriously.
Riotgear
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its pve. who cares ?!
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Former Ruling
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Then GvG must be PvE too, since all you really need to do there is kill the Guild Lord.
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Riotgear
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in GvG it is actually to your advantage to strategically fight the other team for points on the map/etc. In FA and especially JQ fighting among the teams is mostly counterproductive for the overall goal (You would actually win much faster if most of the party was dedicated to fulfilling the pve goals instead of mindlessly trying to beat each other up). There inlays the difference.
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Franco Power
LOL you wanna compare gvg pvp level to FA ?
haha get real...
haha get real...
Gli
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Originally Posted by Former Ruling
in GvG it is actually to your advantage to strategically fight the other team for points on the map/etc. In FA and especially JQ fighting among the teams is mostly counterproductive for the overall goal (You would actually win much faster if most of the party was dedicated to fulfilling the pve goals instead of mindlessly trying to beat each other up). There inlays the difference.
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Former Ruling
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Originally Posted by Riotgear
The main obstacle in accomplishing those goals are the actions of other players. Two teams are competing for victory against each other. It's PvP.
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It is not however on ANY level of pvp compared to all other forms of pvp in the game.
The attacking of the other team actually hurts your progress in these missions more often than it helps it. Instead of doing the obvious PvE goals like running amber or such they are too caught up in 1v1 whammo fights. No more than half the team should ever have to actively fight the other team the duration of the mission.
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Thats why RA exists
EDIT2: Anyways, this thread was about leeching wasn't it? Ain't much that can be done about that. Some requirement of activity for the reward could be implemented, but it would likely be easy to circumvent..(Energy used? simple, just alternate some skill hotkey and the esc key, you can waste loads of energy just standing there canceling skills, points healed/points you dmged enemies for? wouldnt work well because there are valid classes that do neither of those in the missions most of the time, etc)