An idea has occured to me...

As I look upon this game, and how it has progressed, a thought has occured to me.

Everyone here on this forum has played this game, and has had some good times correct? I know I have, but recently as I reflect more and more on it, my sentimentalness towards what I have accomplished has grown.

With Anet's current plan of chapters, I frankly do not see this game going further. This saddens me, that is why I will not just unstill and ragequit. So, I need to ask the people of this forum:

Would you rather Anet continue with their current gameplan or, dare I say (puts flameshield on) INSTALL A MONTHLY FEE?

Yes, a monthly fee. Many people shudder at this thought. After all, I am sure a lot of people bought this game over others just because this game has no monthly fee. It was a factor for me too, I must admit. Over WoW and this, I chose this, (no monthly fee, and it will not consume my life). Earlier, I must admit Guild Wars did consume my life though .

But I need you guys to consider this. Three large continents. VAST areas, some challenging and some not. But the way the player base is spread, and the way big amazing areas are abandoned is saddening. These places have potential to be very fun.

A person may ask: Ok, I want previous chapters to be improved, but I payed my money, it should come without a monthly fee.

This is wrong. Anet makes no profit from this. They perfectly designed their game to fit their price model. I am thinking though, that with these other aspects the games longevity will increase (people will travel now to all areas, not just to get 100% continent explored title).

But, it does not stop there. What if a new player does not want to pay a monthly fee? Ok, THAT IS PERFECT! . Anet can just make some new options, that are "monthly subscribers only". Things that do not affect core gameplay, or affect the balance of this game. Things that just provide bored players with quests or life skills.


I want these old areas to be updated. Even with gold sinks, hell I actually want to spend my gold on something fun (a lot of it is reserved), even if I make 0 profit from it. Just some open endedness. Possibly hunting around in the desert for sand giants (I forgot their names, its been so long since I was there) and getting titles for that.

Or going to magumma to do fishing, and catch a big bass which you can use to make cool stuff (like food for your pet, if your a ranger). Or get a title "master of the seas". Just cool minigames or stuff liek that, and with me paying a monthly fee (and others if they like the idea) Anet could fund this.

Or owning a slummy house in factions (hehe, you know you wanna live in one). In this house you could train your lower level characters, or just show off to other players the "leet" furniture you have (awsome 100k plasma tv ).

And nightfall too, many things can be added.Chapters can be revived. Players will get together, and leave the henchies in this game where they belong, NOT IN YOUR PARTY .

Anet, I want you guys to make money. I want to pay you, just so you can improve this game I love.I know these ideas are not perfect, but I am sure with a little work on them this game will prosper, players will be happy, and so will Anet. Any comments or ideas?

i dont want to pay them.
get some better cut-scenes(like....even starcraft....sadly, has better ones)
/not signed

I included also there is an option where you don't have to, but people that can want to, I don't really understand where your coming from.

Monthly subscription=Will not play, ever, except for a "free trial"

You need to go read the forums of the "monthly fee" games. You will see the same type of complaints and "I want" threads as found in these forums.

They want houses where they can keep their stuff, they want to be able to dye their armor, they want more variety, they want guildhalls with instanced arenas, they want something done about the thieves, they want something done about campers, they want less grind, they want access to "uber" items without working hard - and they wish there was no monthy fee.

I agree with lacasner

Ok, so they want more variety, they want less pointless grind, people here want access to uber items too.A common desire. I think though that a good game is worth a monthly fee, so people who truly enjoy it do not complain about the fee.

A monthly fee would result in my quitting this game, pure and simple. I'll go play something else, GW is NOT great enough to warrant a fee (and neither is WoW)

All i'd want is the expansion of the CURRENT worlds. Not another expansion pack with new skills, ect, ect...

I'd like a WoW type of system, where they just add a few places at a time, and spend most of their time fixing bugs.

To expand the current worlds, a monthly fee is required. I refused to accept this fact for a long time, but now I realized it is necessary. Simply put, Anet needs money to do things that require money.

A monthly fee will not change the game for the better for the people who are already disatisfied with it. It will not mean that they'll add stuff like fishing and housing. Then you'll be stuck with a game you're disappointed with AND paying a monthly fee. Plus it certainly will drive away most of their players. If I wanted to pay a monthly fee with housing and fishing, I'd play something like WoW. Which I did like but just didnt have the crazy devotion needed to play it.

Well, I am assuming by paying a fee they would add more stuff to current chapters, to keep the cash flow coming in. Obviously people wouldn't be paying cash a month for nothing to change.

This is one of the very few things that most people would actually ragequit Guild Wars about. It would die. End of story.

But, it doesn't have to be for everyone, for instance my example the part where people pay for just added things to make them nonebored, and not to effect core gameplay. Surely, if Arenanet would improve the previous chapters and add fun new content you wouldn't mind paying roughly 10 dollars per month?

i agree. i rather have old areas updated and new areas added to the old continents (like SF, more elite missions, areas like ToPK, FOW or UW) then having to take all my 6 toons through a new game.

its just annoying and makes me want to go out there and get a life instead

Well they could have put their time and money into developing an area that would have more than only a few hundred gamers willing to play. Domain of Anguish is a failure. The number of active districts proves that. Out of all the players world wide, only a tiny fraction are bothering with it.

I don't want to pay a monthly fee. I left SWG for that reason. I agree totally with this post though-- we need more areas developed in existing chapters.

And yeah, I'd drop $50 on an expansion chapter that just included maybe two or three new areas in Factions or Prophecies. I don't need a new continent to run around and get my explorer badge for.

I'm not going to debate whether or not most people like DoA. But your "proof" is pretty darn faulty. Hasnt it even occurred to you that only a tiny fraction of people have even finished the game to even reach DoA access? It's only been a little over a month since release you know...

Ok, for the math inept, ill put it this way (of monthly fee calculations).

New chapter =50-70 dollars (depending on CE or not)

For monthly fee=10 dollars per month

Both average to 60 dollars over a 6 month period, but with this new content I can safely predict MUCH MORE players will stick around, therfor making GW more profitable for Anet.

I don't get this, if your paying the same amount why does it matter if it is at once or over a period of time?

Well it started with 12-16 districts. So there's enough reason to think people are elsewhere. The only reason there is more than one district of DoA right now is because there are people fresh off of killing Abaddon.

First off you're not paying the same. You'd still have to buy expansions (although less frequently) and you'd be paying a monthly fee on top of that. WoW and every other MMO does it that way. You'd end up paying more than with GW's current model.

Second, if you're arguing that we'd be paying the same, why would anything change contentwise then? Why would Anet give more content for the same money just because it's paid in a different form?

Because, after this last chapter purchase no income will be made, and expansions will just be added. If I was Anet, or if anyone else wanted to run a bussiness then we would want profit. I want expansion, more content, and think that the only way this will happen is with a monthly fee. If your thinking expansions Burning Cruesade, yea your right, but that is 1 year+ and its worth the new and exciting game Anet will provide imo.

I think if cutscenes were like the Guildwars preview with those good graphics, i'd pay for a monthyly fee, other than that no

Heh, I agree Coming from a game that paid monthly, I don't mind, but it would have to offer more then what Guild Wars does. Fighting through campaign to campagin is getting old, quick. Offering a monthly fee would probably kill the game for many players, but not all.

I don't know how much it cost for them to run this game, develope, maintain, and so forth. There is one problem with offering a fee...we are so use to having the game be free, and in the back of our heads we'll always been saying "This use to be free".

I see a trend of older continents being deserted for new areas, and I don't think a fee will bring new stuff like you said. While, in all honesty I would love to see some of that stuff, it most likely will not get added.

It was never free, we still payed for it. Also, why do you think a fee would not do this?

pay for a game thats as restricting as guild wars?! are you insane? i wouldnt pay 5 bucks a month for it. thats like asking someone would they "pay" 50 bucks a month to sit in a jail cell for a crime they didnt commit. lol

a monthly fee would end this game, too many would rage quit. And those that stay will just keep comparing what they get for more money to what they got when it was free, and 90% of them would probably feel ripped off.

It dosnt matter how good your argments are, how much thought you put into it, it dosnt matter how right you are (or not as is the case), people expect it to be free because thats what the box says.

The end

First I'd like to say this is not a complain just my opinion.

I wouldn't mind to pay a monthly fee ..... only if the game would be a little easier or like Prohecies, (my preferred campaign) because I'm only a PvE and I play the game slowly I don't like to have to do things like collecting faction, sunspear or lightbringer points!

Most of all I don't like not to be able to get around at my pleasure and everywhere, I hate closed gates/doors and the imposition that if I don't do that particular quest/mission I cannot go on with the game.

I do all the missions and quests, all my characters (9) have completed Prophecies and Factions. Only my elonian born ranger has completed Nightfall and now she is in Cantha doing quests and missions.

I will never ever take any of my 8 characters to Elona, which I find too hard and not easy to find PUGs. Nightfall, in my opinion, is very disappointing to me.

I must tell you that I'm a lady not a "1337" player and that I play just for pleasure and I'm not much competent in building up skilled characters! May be it's for these things that my guildies don't take me with them!

@lacasner - Who are you.....really?


PS. Please don't flame me .... It gets me upset, but this post can be deleted with no problems on my part.

I am a human being..who apparently put a thought which many people don't understand here . I thought some others would get it..and that I wouldn't get the mindless response: "OH NOES ZOMG WADAFUX UP I DUN WANNA PAY, IM A FANBOI WANNABE MOD AND UR THE n00b MAKIN DIS GAME BAD. SUXXORS"!(yes this is exageratted but you get my point)

The idea came from the acknowledged thought :you get what you pay for. Therfor, by paying you get more, more people have more fun. Is that so hard to understand? For everyone that is bored, this is the only way to end it imo. It will not change, yes we are paying more but in the end we will have more fun.

Same. Even if not everyone pays, and the people that pay get specail access to something is bad enough to get me to stop playing any game (or never play a game if I haven't played it yet).

If we do something like this, then all the endgame content (which is often the best part of GW) will require a fee to access. Either that or the best of the endgame content will require a fee, which is just as bad.

If GW really needs money, then why not offer things in the online store that don't affect gameplay? Maybe give us the ability to chose which chapter's log in screen we use? I'll buy that. Plushie chars and other GW chars? I might buy that too. Maybe even special minipets and emotes or something? (thats probably pushing it or even going overboard, just because it slightly affects gameplay) I might possibly buy that.

I'd much rather something like that than a monthly fee of any kind, because to me, a monthly fee=not going to play the game.

EDIT

You are forgeting something. A monthly fee does not mean that we don't also have to buy that game.

Take WoW for example. It has a monthly fee. I have no clue how much per month, so lets just say $10 per month for arguments sake. Now that will be $60 in 6 months. Yes, that's about the same as GW, but you also have to buy the game in the first place before you even start with the monthly fee. If the game costs $50 at the store, that would be $110 in 6 months.

For GW, that means buy the game every six months for $50 to $70, and then afterwards, you would have to pay a monthly fee. That ends up being about double of how much GW currently costs.

We just dont agree with you

Theres a difference

This stubborn ignorant view is strange for me to understand. If this game would have a monthly fee, costing the same over a span of time a guild wars chapter would cost to implement, you are paying the same amount of money. However, Anet would be reviving old areas, making cool new stuff to explore, and perhaps add new items and loot too.

I don't get it, you want things like emotes and log in screens instead of new gameplay? Why? If you just want to look at pretty pictures go to an art gallery, I personally want to play and enjoy this game.


I understand you don't agree, but you just didn't give one reason why..I gave many plus reasons..you guys are just coming off a bit unlogical thats all.

I don't quite follow you, but I believe the game success is just because the formula Anet adopted is pretty solid. Considering the support they do, and the quality of the servers, I'd be willing to pay for a monthly fee (and only because I can afford it), but since things are just so perfect now, I don't see why to change.

Where being stubborn and ignorant, oh ok now i agree with you as you put it like that

Yes and you have yet to explain (succsefully) how we would get more for paying the same amount of money.

You mean like what a new chapter is designed to do

Thats good, pick a few stupid suggestions to make your argument look stronger than it really is.


Exaclty what reasons have you given, because reading back all i can see is you stating over and over and over again "monthly fee = more content" but not giving any concret arguments why and slowly slipping into name calling.

good luck.

Including a monthly fee is a huge step.
The problem I see in this situation is that the people who kind of want more updates and are unsatisfied with Nightfall are the PVE people.
Based on the core design of the game, PVE will indeed become less interesting as more chapters got released.

Even with a monthly fee, I seriously doubt there is anything they can do about it without breaking the essence of the current game. I hope people all notice the difference between guild wars and some other online games. That is what I am most impressed by guild wars, the difference, the idea... It makes me feel that it is a game similar to magik, or chess and will live longer than any online games out there. Nightfall is great to me, because I like the new classes, and the new skills I get for the core classes. Those are more related to PvP aspect of the game, which I think is why the game is so great to me, even after one year of play.

So when I read the OP's post, I was thinking, maybe guild wars is not the game the OP is looking for.

What you are saying is that we have a monthly fee and not have to pay to buy the game, right? If that is what you are saying, then it won't acually be that different than how it is now. ArenaNet will still be making the same amount of income, so they will still do just about the same as what they do now.

Also, a monthly fee makes people feel like they have to play as much as possible in order to get their money's worth. Sometimes, they even play when they don't want to because they have to pay monthly, and if they don't play at all in a month, then it seems like money they wasted. I've also heard that some of the games that require a monthly fee will accually delete your account if you unsubscribe. That would also make players feel like they need to keep subscribing, even if they don't want to play, or they know they are going on a vacaction or something like that or a month or longer, so they won't be able to play. That would also make them feel like they are wasting money.

With how GW is now, you don't have to worry about playing as much as possible to get your money's worth, because you have already payed in full for what you have. You can take a break for months at a time and not feel like you aren't getting your moneys worth, because you have already payed for it. Also, you don't have to worry about your account being deleted for unsubscribing, because there is no subscription, and as far as I know, ArenaNet doesn't delete accounts, no matter how long they have been inactive. Also, buying it all at once allows for things like CE, where only paying monthly does not.

Another thing, you don't have to buy the new GW chapters. You could only buy one chapter and play that for years and years, but never buy another one if you wanted to. With a monthly subscription, but no buying the chapters, it will be the exact oposite, untill you unsubscribe. You will get every chapter, but you will also be forced to buy every chapter all the way untill you unsubscribe.

Now you asked why I would rather have things like buying log in screens? It's because you don't have to buy them. If you don't think a log in screen is worth your money, you don't have to buy it, just like you don't have to buy the chapters if you don't think it's worth your money. Same thing with the plushies. Now with the subscriptions, you have to pay as long as you want to play the game.

Basically, the way I see it, paying a subscription makes players feel more "ripped off" than having something that the player doesn't have to buy, but probably will buy anyway.

no monthly fee

even tho the "overall costs" may simulate a monthly fee,
its not the same

I *dont have to buy* any further chapters and I can still log into the game

No lol, I like guild wars.

But bored players, like me, want new content.

For this to happen, a monthly fee pretty much has happen. I don't want to pay money lol. But i am willing to pay money to improve this game I love.

New chapters aren't new content imo, it is just different scenery. The people here against my idea are not bored, obviously. That is cool, I was not bored about 3 months ago either. Again, please guys read everything before you post. This idea isn't as linear as you think, if you have an idea how it can become better go right ahead. Hell, if you think that this chapter production over and over again is a recipe for success, you can do that. I just think with the maps available in Guild Wars, and the quests and options it has, this direction I proposed is the way to go.

have a monthly fee for people that want added content / features


but let people play the game without a monthly fee too...
(without the added content/features)

Cool that was also a possibilty I said, probably the most feasible one of all .

lol, horrible idea, gw was made so that you didnt have to pay more than the game which gave a nice freedom feel too it and also like its been said paying monthly is ******* retarded since youd be paying the same or more than what you already pay so you wouldnt get new shit, just the pressure of having to pay monthly.

oh and im sorry if your bored but theres always other games, and getting a life