What's Better - A Question Of Tactics
Loshi
People obviously misunderstood me. Feel free to lock/delete.
lyra_song
I prefer the pull, since i can lay traps. 
VitisVinifera
lol @ this
I vote: Pudding!
I vote: Pudding!
VGJustice
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Originally Posted by Loshi
My girlfriend has recently decided to quit playing Guild Wars because I disagree with her style of hench management.
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martialis
/ragequit 
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Total Rogue
of the two methods, I'd pull them.
what i do personally is charge in leeroying whatever i want.... as i'm likely to survive anyway.
what i do personally is charge in leeroying whatever i want.... as i'm likely to survive anyway.
Hand of Ruin
Those are both pretty stupid "tactics"...
Spike
MMMMMMMMM pudding
Loshi
Please stop not taking this seriously.
And if these are both stupid tactics, then what's a better one, aside from avoidance?
Keep in mind, your class/character is irrelveant. In this scenario, it's all about 7 henches.
And if these are both stupid tactics, then what's a better one, aside from avoidance?
Keep in mind, your class/character is irrelveant. In this scenario, it's all about 7 henches.
Zinger314
The best tactic: listen to your girlfriend, no matter what!
Ellipson
Your girlfriend is right.
dargon
Play however best suits your playstyle. Each strategy can work, each strategy can also fail miserably, there is no 'best' method. I can say though, that pissing off your girlfriend by calling her a noob, etc over this is incredibly stupid on your part.
Hand of Ruin
You should manipulate the aggro as best as you can... pull them back, then use ctl shift space so warrior run foward, then conitnue pulling back so warriors will hold aggor for a bit, then go foward... why on earth would you just charge into a group of enemies, or invite them into your group to slaughter your casters? (I assume neither of you has really gotten very far, because using tactics like that near end-game would wipe your party... unless you're in prophecies, then any old strategy would work.)
Oh yea, and getting in a fight with your GF over a game IS very stupid as people have been saying lol... if you were bitching at her enough to make her quit the game over it... you two have problems I think.
Oh yea, and getting in a fight with your GF over a game IS very stupid as people have been saying lol... if you were bitching at her enough to make her quit the game over it... you two have problems I think.
Loshi
Actually, my girlfriend and I have both completed all three games, using my strategy, which worked perfectly and effectively every single time.
Furthermore, I'm not calling her a noob. I'm tryign to help her so that she can advance through the game on other characters by herself so she doesn't get frustrated that her group keeps failing.
Furthermore, I'm not calling her a noob. I'm tryign to help her so that she can advance through the game on other characters by herself so she doesn't get frustrated that her group keeps failing.
Anarkii
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Originally Posted by Ellipson
Your girlfriend is right.
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Seriously, this is a game. If your girlfriend wants to go and dance with the mob, let her do what she wants...
Jetdoc
Logoff and go make out with her.
Everyone wins!
Everyone wins!
AlienFromBeyond
Definitely the first choice. Henchies don't do anything until they reach the flag, leaving them vulnerable. Also, why the hell would you throw your casters into the middle of a group of Afflicted?
ss1986v2
do i have to choose? neither one looks very appealing:
1) let the mob break through all of my lines and rape my squishies or whoever they damn well please.
2) send all my henchies, including my squishies, into the middle of an afflicted mob, to be devoured and defiled, again, as the enemy damn well pleases.
ill pass on this afflicted cluster-fark of a strategy...
*edit* never mind, she's right. whatever she said, she's right!
1) let the mob break through all of my lines and rape my squishies or whoever they damn well please.
2) send all my henchies, including my squishies, into the middle of an afflicted mob, to be devoured and defiled, again, as the enemy damn well pleases.
ill pass on this afflicted cluster-fark of a strategy...
*edit* never mind, she's right. whatever she said, she's right!
vaxmor
in this PvE scenario - it makes little to no difference, you can do whatever you want and still pwn the mission.
The incorrect solution is to berate a gf such that she quits playing a game.
The incorrect solution is to berate a gf such that she quits playing a game.
Perynne
Everyone's entitled to their own strategy. I had a similar fight with my boyfriend: we were disagreeing over how the game should be played, and how skills/henches/anything should be managed... and he almost ended up quitting because he got angry at me. I solved the problem by just shutting up about the "right" tactics to use, and let him play how he wants to. When we play together, I keep my mouth shut about some things, drop subtle hints every now and then and try to find a compromise on other things.
It's a sad, sad day when a couple have a fight over something as trivial as a game.
Oh, and I prefer luring mostly, but tactics heavily depend on the situation and the mob.
Edit: I think it would be better to let your girlfriend find her own way through the game, and let her try to find a balance in her own strategies. If she gets frustrated, then at least she's not getting frustrated at you if you just back off and let her play. The beauty of playing alone is the fact that you get to rely on yourself, not on some outside person. Pre-made tactics are boring and totally spoil the joys of discovering them by yourself. Girls like discovering things by themselves, and if they need help, they ask.
It's a sad, sad day when a couple have a fight over something as trivial as a game.
Oh, and I prefer luring mostly, but tactics heavily depend on the situation and the mob.
Edit: I think it would be better to let your girlfriend find her own way through the game, and let her try to find a balance in her own strategies. If she gets frustrated, then at least she's not getting frustrated at you if you just back off and let her play. The beauty of playing alone is the fact that you get to rely on yourself, not on some outside person. Pre-made tactics are boring and totally spoil the joys of discovering them by yourself. Girls like discovering things by themselves, and if they need help, they ask.
Feurin Longcastle
I doubt he's looking for advice on how to please his girlfriend, so it's rather futile to keep suggesting it.
As to the options, the first is the more sound one (although I think not the best one for most situations) The primary reason being that henchies don't do anything but run while chasing down their flag, leaving them very vulnerable.
It's also important to note that the henches are generally inferior to most player builds (though someone at some point will gladly point out the reverse of this I'm sure) so sending them to fight the enemy without their human leader is likely to get them killed. Especially in the Torment. Don't even try it there.
As to the options, the first is the more sound one (although I think not the best one for most situations) The primary reason being that henchies don't do anything but run while chasing down their flag, leaving them very vulnerable.
It's also important to note that the henches are generally inferior to most player builds (though someone at some point will gladly point out the reverse of this I'm sure) so sending them to fight the enemy without their human leader is likely to get them killed. Especially in the Torment. Don't even try it there.
icedwhitemocha
Girlfriends are always right, ESPECIALLY when they're wrong.
Ulivious The Reaper
i like leeroying.. but then again i'm a warrior, and when i use henchs i use 2 monk heros 2 monk henchies and rest damage.. so i can be crazy.. and as for the girlfriend thing... shes always right even if you're the one thats actually right
Shadow of Light
Different methods work for different people. You should both just play the way you prefer rather than argue over who has the better tactics.
Considering I couldn't 'flag' my henchies when I played through Factions (it was pre Nightfall
), I really can't comment on which method I'd prefer of the two you present. So long as there's protection against the damned death-explosions, I could go for either.
Considering I couldn't 'flag' my henchies when I played through Factions (it was pre Nightfall
), I really can't comment on which method I'd prefer of the two you present. So long as there's protection against the damned death-explosions, I could go for either.
ogami_ito
Do not engage if you see "Pestilence". Cast "Awaken the Blood". Activate "Soothing", and "Union". Put the flag on your bed. After aggro is locked, move the flag to your crotch area. Shout "On your knees!" is optional at this point. If you lose agro, use "Renewing Surge". Consider using "Pin Down" or "Practiced Stance" if neccessary. Do NOT use "Serpant's Quickness." "Make Haste" should only be used if your girlfriend calls for it. She might use "Lead the Way"...you will adjust your strategy accordingly. Next use ranger skill "Savage Pounce". Finnish up with "Screaming Shot" and "Energizing Finale".
BTW, definitly make sure no one casts "Boon of Creation" or "Fertile Season". Always make sure "Shield Stance" is up.
BTW, definitly make sure no one casts "Boon of Creation" or "Fertile Season". Always make sure "Shield Stance" is up.
Orinn
I've had, not arguments, bnut disagreements with my best friend on tactics many times. Finally, I decided to try something new: I let her play how she wanted, and I adapted around her playstyle. She prefers to go headlong into things, even when playing a caster, but listens to myy suggestions on party makeup. I make sure that her heros include a monk that will follow her, while mine (I play my warrior mostly) include Koss, a monk, and usually Acolyte Jin to spread conditions. She lets me run in first, but she's right behind me causing chaos.
To make it short, if you want everyone playing to have fun, then let everyone play the way they like. Instead of insisting on one way or another, adapt strategies based on teamwork and the big one, communication.
If you're both in the same room playing, then even if running headlong into the group isn't what YOU would do, if she says she's going in, you have no excuse not to be backing her up, maybe sending your melee henchies in for specific targets and generally keeping heat off. Likewise, if she wants to back up and pull, you can meet the mobs once they're safely away, giving her time to get back and set up for decimating them from the back line. There is plenty of room fior middle ground most of the time.
To make it short, if you want everyone playing to have fun, then let everyone play the way they like. Instead of insisting on one way or another, adapt strategies based on teamwork and the big one, communication.
If you're both in the same room playing, then even if running headlong into the group isn't what YOU would do, if she says she's going in, you have no excuse not to be backing her up, maybe sending your melee henchies in for specific targets and generally keeping heat off. Likewise, if she wants to back up and pull, you can meet the mobs once they're safely away, giving her time to get back and set up for decimating them from the back line. There is plenty of room fior middle ground most of the time.
Kook~NBK~
I'd go with option A. But it depends greatly on what profession I'm playing. As a Warrior, I'd flag my henchies to stay back while I went in and got the aggro on me. As a Ranger, I'd be pulling them to me. As a Monk - I'd probably send the henchies in, depending on what else is around.
Makkert
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Originally Posted by Loshi
My girlfriend has recently decided to quit playing Guild Wars because I disagree with her style of hench management. To solve a point, either way, and to hopefully get her to play again, I will present two solutions to a scenario. Please, simply vote which is better.
Here is the scenario. Your class is irrelevant, you don't do anything. Your henches are any that you can choose from Senji's Corner in Cantha. You are faced with a large variety of afflicted (About a group of 12). Do you.. A) Lure them into your group, hopign to bunch them up, and eventually whittling them down and destroying them. B) Flag your henches directly into the center of the enemy group, keeping all enemy attention on your henches, keeping you perfectly safe, while you assail them from the outside and your AI kills them from the inside. For the sake of fairness, I will not say whose is whose. Please vote. Thank you. |
The only right answer is the one that gives the player the most enjoyment out of his/her game. It's with NPC henchies after all, there are no other humans to consider.
Sekkira
What? Only 12? Pfft, I just walk in with my henchies and slaughter them all. Screw messing around with pulling and flanking.
Fallen Hunter
Definately the first - for the same reasons already stated, henches are very vulnerable while moving to the flag. Also, keep in mind that you are sending in EVERYTHING if you flag in the middle - and you will lose your monks very fast...
Grasping Darkness
neither
With many things especially something as petty a game you have to agree with women even if theyre wrong and seem sincere or they will hold it against you. Some of them think youre calling them stupid in these situations. It seems like if she would stop playing gw because of this disagreement that this would need to be your route to go but everyones different so idk
and due to the variations of bestiary neither is right or wrong
(on topic)-from the way you described those tactics your class is most definately relevant and if you were a nuker the second choice (obviously your gf's choice from the way you flamed it and boasted yours) would work
With many things especially something as petty a game you have to agree with women even if theyre wrong and seem sincere or they will hold it against you. Some of them think youre calling them stupid in these situations. It seems like if she would stop playing gw because of this disagreement that this would need to be your route to go but everyones different so idk
and due to the variations of bestiary neither is right or wrong
(on topic)-from the way you described those tactics your class is most definately relevant and if you were a nuker the second choice (obviously your gf's choice from the way you flamed it and boasted yours) would work
countesscorpula
I vote: Quit arguing with your girlfriend about a game, you knob. Insisting that she's wrong to the point of her quitting is just dumb relationship tactics. Asking us to prove your point after she has obviously decided she doesn't want to deal with the topic anymore is a move in major stupidity. What was that joke about George Bush Brand Condoms...? For the dumb f***er who just doesn't know when to pull out. Something like that. Tactics, you fool, involves knowing how to choose youre battles, and knowing that not all of them are worth fighting.
Now step your ass away from the computer, go to your local florist, and buy the biggest "I'm sorry i was such and arrogant controlling jerk" floral arrangement you can get your retarded little hands on.
Now step your ass away from the computer, go to your local florist, and buy the biggest "I'm sorry i was such and arrogant controlling jerk" floral arrangement you can get your retarded little hands on.
Crom The Pale
You can say that your class is unimportant as it does make a huge diffence on how you use your hench.
If your a monk you can send them in and keep them alive.
As a war its best if you charge in and hold some agro so they dont get wiped out fast.
As a ranger you'd pull for traps.
Rits pull for spirits or send in if your healing.
Not just each class but each build a player can use would change how that scenario is played out.
Note: bunched up aflicted + hench + AoE attacks = masive death nova and lots of dead hench.
If your a monk you can send them in and keep them alive.
As a war its best if you charge in and hold some agro so they dont get wiped out fast.
As a ranger you'd pull for traps.
Rits pull for spirits or send in if your healing.
Not just each class but each build a player can use would change how that scenario is played out.
Note: bunched up aflicted + hench + AoE attacks = masive death nova and lots of dead hench.
Burst Cancel
Find a corner if possible, flag your melee hench to bodyblock (if you aren't a warrior yourself), and pull with a longbow. Wait for enemies to ball up at your bodyblock. Nuke. Win.
Giving or taking relationship advice on a gaming forum is ftl.
Giving or taking relationship advice on a gaming forum is ftl.
Devina Fava
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Originally Posted by countesscorpula
I vote: Quit arguing with your girlfriend about a game, ... Insisting that she's wrong to the point of her quitting is just dumb relationship tactics. Asking us to prove your point after she has obviously decided she doesn't want to deal with the topic anymore is a move in major stupidity... Tactics, you fool, involves knowing how to choose youre battles, and knowing that not all of them are worth fighting... Now step your ass away from the computer, go to your local florist, and buy the biggest "I'm sorry i was such and arrogant controlling jerk" floral arrangement you can get your retarded little hands on.
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Avarre
I aggro with my cane and the hench charge in!
Loshi
I think you guys are looking way too deeply into this.
Regardless, the point is moot. I'll edit first post.
Regardless, the point is moot. I'll edit first post.
Bankai
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Originally Posted by ogami_ito
Do not engage if you see "Pestilence". Cast "Awaken the Blood". Activate "Soothing", and "Union". Put the flag on your bed. After aggro is locked, move the flag to your crotch area. Shout "On your knees!" is optional at this point. If you lose agro, use "Renewing Surge". Consider using "Pin Down" or "Practiced Stance" if neccessary. Do NOT use "Serpant's Quickness." "Make Haste" should only be used if your girlfriend calls for it. She might use "Lead the Way"...you will adjust your strategy accordingly. Next use ranger skill "Savage Pounce". Finnish up with "Screaming Shot" and "Energizing Finale".
BTW, definitly make sure no one casts "Boon of Creation" or "Fertile Season". Always make sure "Shield Stance" is up. |
You forgot Final Thrust though.
Edit: And Tease.
explodemyheart
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Originally Posted by Loshi
I think you guys are looking way too deeply into this.
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Kay84
Try to look for corners and bottlenecks and such..