Holiday Storage?

fog_of_redoubt

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ernada
If you dont understand programming then don't jump to conclusions and call people sheep just because of your ignorance. Here's a hint, it saves more server space for specifically designated items than it does for just empty slots to store anything. Just like how material storage takes less server space than the normal storage.
And Dye isnt a specifically designated item? A 15^50 insignia isn't a specifically designated item?

Hmmm, can I have a holiday item (Dragon Mask) and put a rune on it... Now MY dragon mask is different from everyone elses... so it is no longer a specifically designated item...

So take YOUR ignorance somewhere else if you dont mind.

Cybah

Cybah

Banned

Join Date: Nov 2005

Europe

Guardians Of Eternal Sands [GoeS]

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I simply hope its not for event items only...

The Last Anthem

The Last Anthem

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

my guildhall.

Mo/

yay hat storage

*cheers anet on, cmon anet now all we need is armor storage you can do it cmon anet *

aohige

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

GoW

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by N E D M
/disagree
These items purposely dont stack, so you cannot hoard large amounts of them.
This keeps new items coming in to the traders, and keeps prices down.
Also the reason storage is small.
Dye tab would be nice tho
I would actually agree with you, if there actually WAS an inscription trader.
But as of now, there isn't.

Yawgmoth

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

I really hope it will be possible to store Any hats in the new storage, as every character has usually plenty of them so it would be really useful. Because of ridiculously small storage space in this game i kept ell event hats only for 1 of my characters, (had to delete others) so i hope this addition will be useful for all my characters not just one.

Shadis

Shadis

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Knightsaber Sith
I belive in the past they've cited technical issues against simply enlarging basic storage.
Then perhaps they should spend more time on these technical issues rather than spending it on holiday hat storage.

I'm not flaming them, because I'm sure there are such issues involved, it seems simple on the surface but I know it isn't. I'm just saying that 3 chapters in, it's about that time to give us a bigger storage box.

Or instead of holiday hat storage perhaps rune storage, dye storage, insignia storage... SOMETHING for items that have an actual purpose.

generik

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by TideSwayer
"Many others" need to realize that this move is just ANet skirting the real issue here, and that is giving us an expansion to the number of our basic storage slots. (Guess what? People have been asking for basic storage expansion even more than the holiday requesters.) Go ahead and be happy that ANet is doing something else half-assed.

I would like to know why ANet is so damn reluctant to simply expand our basic storage space? The hell with the holiday crap. I want to be able to hold more stuff that I collect when it isn't a holiday too. Why will they never give in? What will it take? ANet, please tell us what it would take for you to give in and expand our basic storage. Seriously.
Because it takes up more storage space. Anet sold 3 million copies of the game so far so imagine if each user will need an extra 100kb to store their account information, that will heaps!

Nanood

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Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

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generik

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadis
Then perhaps they should spend more time on these technical issues rather than spending it on holiday hat storage.

I'm not flaming them, because I'm sure there are such issues involved, it seems simple on the surface but I know it isn't. I'm just saying that 3 chapters in, it's about that time to give us a bigger storage box.

Or instead of holiday hat storage perhaps rune storage, dye storage, insignia storage... SOMETHING for items that have an actual purpose.
I doubt it is that simple. Considering Anet does not own their servers (NCSoft does), the problem might be more complicated than just... making the storage space larger.

Manic Smile

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Join Date: Dec 2005

Hawaii

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Quote:
Originally Posted by icedragon981
Well if it truely just is holiday item storage then that saddens me because I got rid of all my charcter's holiday hats for space.
same...a bit late A.net

Yawgmoth

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by generik
Because it takes up more storage space. Anet sold 3 million copies of the game so far so imagine if each user will need an extra 100kb to store their account information, that will heaps!
3 million copies is about 2mln accounts, most of which are inactive anyway.
Even a massive storage update wouldnt exceed even +10kB per account in my opinion.
A single item should take under 64 bytes of data, and more standardized things like stack of materials or a rune is probably 2-4 bytes.
Also, server storage space is extremelly cheap nowadays, seen those 3GB+ free email accounts or free hosting services for huge files ?

So i'm sure server storage space is not the reason we're not getting more storage. Somehow Anet doesn't want us to have more.

Gaile Gray

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by fog_of_redoubt
I assume you beleive for some reason that those technical issues mysteriously disapear for holiday items?
The Wintersday Update does not bring about a strict hat storage addition. The system is different. So, no, no one is suggesting that the parameters, limitations, or timeline regarding storage have changed in any sense.

Quote:
Originally Posted by take_me
Yes, sounds like an armor storage. That would be great.
Sorry, but in fact it doesn't sound at all like armor storage. If it does sound like that to anyone, please read again, and if it still sounds like that, then I apologize because the Wintersday feature involves hats, only, and that's how it was intended. (I know, I wrote it. ) I really want to make sure that we keep realistic and not go into excesses of what we desire suddenly becoming what we expect or even--heaven forbid!--what we think we were "promised." (This from the person who gets accused of promises she does not make allll the time. )

Quote:
Originally Posted by generik
I doubt it is that simple. Considering Anet does not own their servers (NCSoft does), the problem might be more complicated than just... making the storage space larger.
It is much more complicated than throwing up a few rows in the storage bin, and not all the complications are related to servers, not at all. I'm sorry, unless you have source code, please don't make speculative statements about how it would work or what it would take. And don't presume to say what we do and do not want to do. Please, it's wrong and it's rude.

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ernada
This is like how people were screaming at ANET for being lazy and uncaring for not implementing reconnects. It simply wasnt an easy thing to implement. People's ignorance led to them throwing tantrums and dishing out abuse. Again, I say just because you don't like it doesnt mean it's crap or half- assed. Come on, show some patience and some manners.
I don't usually quote heated posts like this. However, what you've said contains a lot of truth and I admire the spirit in which it was made. Here are some thoughts I put together on this:

I'm seeing a bit of commentary in the community saying, "Only reconnects? Only party search?" (Which we all know happened to be two of the most-requested features ever!) Yet I do believe I've seen, "Only those? Why not chocolate-covered candies delivered personally by members of the Dev Team?" Now, of course I'm teasing there, but the fact is, there will always be things that are wanted, there will always be things that we want to bring you as much as you want to have them. But it is impossible for us to do all of them in the here and now. We can only do what we can do, and cannot do "all that and a cherry on top." We will always try to please and even surprise you, and I think all players will admit this mysterious "hat thingie" does come as a surprise.

Perhaps in the future changes to storage will be made. For the here and now, this is a gift, something wanted, something cool, but not something required to play the game. I saw how the designers took extra hours of their own time to work on this; I saw the programmer chomp into that code and work hard to bring this to be. Between you and me, I was told it was only 30% likely we could get it into the Wintersday Update, because there is so much in the update and time was running short. "30%?" I thought to myself. "Aw heck, it would have been so cool, especially for the way in which it works, which I think is charming." And when they told me a couple of days later, "It's a go!" I was excited, for my girls, for your characters, for everyone.

I hope that in the spirit of the season, everyone will see this as the fun and delightful gift that it is.

brokenmonkey

brokenmonkey

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

CA

[UC] Uber Crue

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Well, I'm still hapy and excited for whatever we get^

brokenmonkey

brokenmonkey

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2006

CA

[UC] Uber Crue

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Well, I'm still happy and excited for whatever we get^

The Ernada

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by fog_of_redoubt
And Dye isnt a specifically designated item? A 15^50 insignia isn't a specifically designated item?

Hmmm, can I have a holiday item (Dragon Mask) and put a rune on it... Now MY dragon mask is different from everyone elses... so it is no longer a specifically designated item...

So take YOUR ignorance somewhere else if you dont mind.
Since you won't listen to what I have to say then maybe you'll listen to Gaile:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
It is much more complicated than throwing up a few rows in the storage bin, and not all the complications are related to servers, not at all. I'm sorry, unless you have source code, please don't make speculative statements about how it would work or what it would take. And don't presume to say what we do and do not want to do. Please, it's wrong and it's rude.
It really is another case of people throwing tantrums when they have no clue how complicated things are. They just demand and scream without thinking.

Melkorium

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

So I'm picturing a system where you 'place' your hats with the Xunlai and then they implement a pull-down menu in the Inventory screen which lets you toggle between current boring armour hat () and all the special hats that particular character has obtained.

It'll save me about 25 storage spaces so I'm keen, and actually simplify changing your hats too

fog_of_redoubt

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ernada
Originally Posted by fog_of_redoubt
And Dye isnt a specifically designated item? A 15^50 insignia isn't a specifically designated item?

Hmmm, can I have a holiday item (Dragon Mask) and put a rune on it... Now MY dragon mask is different from everyone elses... so it is no longer a specifically designated item...

So take YOUR ignorance somewhere else if you dont mind


Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ernada
Since you won't listen to what I have to say then maybe you'll listen to Gaile:
Dude, you need to go back and learn to read... She didnt say anything that contradicted my reply to you.

You gave an example that was WRONG, I called you on it... I quoted you, and you even went back to edit your post to remove what you said as you realized it was wrong.

I dont need to say anything else, you removed from your post what I quoted so you must agree with me that you were WRONG.

The Ernada

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by fog_of_redoubt
You gave an example that was WRONG, I called you on it... I quoted you, and you even went back to edit your post to remove what you said as you realized it was wrong.

I dont need to say anything else, you removed from your post what I quoted so you must agree with me that you were WRONG.
Guess again. Check the time of edit and the time of your post. I edited before you posted. It had nothing to do with realizing I was wrong. Which I wasnt. I tried to edit again but Guru crapped out on me. But no. Try again, I wasnt agreeing with you.

Ulivious The Reaper

Ulivious The Reaper

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

The Shadowed Assassins

W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Sorry, but in fact it doesn't sound at all like armor storage. If it does sound like that to anyone, please read again, and if it still sounds like that, then I apologize because the Wintersday feature involves hats, only, and that's how it was intended. (I know, I wrote it. ) I really want to make sure that we keep realistic and not go into excesses of what we desire suddenly becoming what we expect or even--heaven forbid!--what we think we were "promised." (This from the person who gets accused of promises she does not make allll the time. )
ah thanks for clearing things up, i myself was also thinking it was a armor storage not just a "hat" storage but still can't wait for it THANKS ANET

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

"Technical reasons" being they want to keep size down and access fast on servers. If they can add extra data to a character like heroes, they could add another bag to characters (with perhaps some major PITA data shuffling though)

Anyway, first realistic guess, /hats command, spawns any holiday hats your character (account?) has acquired. So you can trash them when they aren't needed and spawn them when you want them.

Second, too-good-to-be-true guess: pull-down menu for making helms visible/invisible updated so you can choose a holiday helm appearance for whatever stat helm you're actually wearing (based on "unlocking" holiday helms, per char/account/whatever)

CyberNigma

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

San Antonio, TX

W/R

I've been pretty vocal about problems with the game, but I'm pretty excited about the past few announcements. Many of us that have played since around the time of the original release have been wishing for a way to re-connect so we (I) am really greatful. I'm also glad that Tyria isn't being left out of Wintersday (memories) even though I have the other two. I am really glad to hear there will be some new way of storing all of my holiday hats (over many characters, some with a hat from every single event since release). This is all good news. I think they do seem to be listening to the players (at a point I felt it was pretty limited). I admit there are other thing si'd like fixed, but the re-connects show that they aren't just working on esoteric fixes. That is a major (and yes, much requested) feature that many of us have been waiting for. As far as the hats, I still look forward to the day that maybe they can be customized by account instead of character to cut down on the amount of storage youneed for them :-) It would be nice, though I don't know how hard or easy it would be for them to implement. Imagine, one Yule Cap that you can share between all your characters, no need for multiples, and no need to try and get all of your characters to the event on time :-) We all have pipe dreams, and the reality is that many of the people I talked to in and out of game really seem excited about the changes... good job. keep up the work... don't get complacent.. this is the stuff many of us like to see..

thank you for listening...

Pwny Ride

Pwny Ride

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2006

Aussieland

Prime Players Of [OSHA] ~ [dth] alliance. <3

Me/E

okay...storage...for...
storage for armor...yea sorry im really trying to get excited over this, but its not working

leprekan

leprekan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Posers and Wannabes [nubs]

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
It is much more complicated than throwing up a few rows in the storage bin, and not all the complications are related to servers, not at all. I'm sorry, unless you have source code, please don't make speculative statements about how it would work or what it would take. And don't presume to say what we do and do not want to do. Please, it's wrong and it's rude.
Fair enough. However ... it has been 19months and Anet has managed to crank out 3 chapters. Not to be argumentative but .. if Anet can come out with 2 complete games since chapter 1 >.< you guys couldn't spend a little time on a big problem for your loyal repeat customers? Almost everyone I know has more than one account because of the storage problem. Playing the log on log off shuffle to make room so you can play a character is a real issue for MANY of us. The storage updates (being kind) while appreciated seem more like an attempt to pacify than to fix.

The Ernada

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by leprekan
Fair enough. However ... it has been 19months and Anet has managed to crank out 3 chapters. Not to be argumentative but .. if Anet can come out with 2 complete games since chapter 1 >.< you guys couldn't spend a little time on a big problem for your loyal repeat customers? Almost everyone I know has more than one account because of the storage problem. Playing the log on log off shuffle to make room so you can play a character is a real issue for MANY of us. The storage updates (being kind) while appreciated seem more like an attempt to pacify than to fix.
Instead of different accounts there's the option of buying character slots. Almost everyone I know DOESNT have more than one account. Storage is a problem but hardly a big problem, most of the people that I know are managing with only one account.

If I had to pick, I'd rather they work on making Chapters rather than work on extra storage. And it does sound like they are working on both. I'm appreciative of the storage updates even when you're not because they still do free up a lot of storage space. And even if it's just "an attempt to pacify" so what? At least they're trying.

Tydra

Tydra

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

first of all, Tnx Anet for the feature, i'm really happy that we can safe some storage/inventory space

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ernada
Instead of different accounts there's the option of buying character slots. Almost everyone I know DOESNT have more than one account. Storage is a problem but hardly a big problem, most of the people that I know are managing with only one account.
you are right to say that u can buy extra character slots to gain space (thats what i'm doing as well).
however, this feature is available since the online store (i guess) and before that there was no other way to gain an extra character slot than by buying a new account (which many people did, since i know many of those as well)

hopefulliness

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2006

legendary knights of vanhalla

W/Mo

Notice what happened to mallyx
NOW
Think about what might happen to this update.
Now don't get me wrong, if this update is pulled of succesfully then I will forget about mallyx.

P.S. i like that idea about where you type in /hat and you get a menu that shows you the hats unlocked on you account.

Vandal2k6

Vandal2k6

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2006

Manchester, UK

The Manchester Marauders

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Believe me, it's so much harder adding new features to already written code. If you start from scratch, you find a way to impliment it and have everything working with it. By adding it later as Anet are having to, they're having to find ways to squeeze things in and make sure they don't balls up other things around it. The harder/bigger the feature they're trying to add, the harder it gets. The fact they're trying is enough for me. Cheers.

Kelv

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

Xen of Onslaught [XoO]

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All I can say, is that hats are my favorite part of these seasonal updates, I <3 them, and I'm sure im not the only one who thinks on these lines, so for the sake of us all, stop the maddness and lets give a big thank you to ANET. Thats what this season is all about, isn't it?

Mr_T_bot

Mr_T_bot

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ernada
Instead of different accounts there's the option of buying character slots. Almost everyone I know DOESNT have more than one account. Storage is a problem but hardly a big problem, most of the people that I know are managing with only one account.
So we should pay $10 to get more storage?

The Ernada

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_T_bot
So we should pay $10 to get more storage?
If you're that desperate for storage then yes, but I'd like more free storage as well. But that wasnt my point. My point was that instead of buying another account you could buy another slot instead, so you wouldnt have to do the account shuffle that the other guy was complaining about.

And I want to note that even if they can DOUBLE the xunlai storage box that we have, the people who have multiple accounts will STILL have to shuffle because obviously they have too much stuff and even the doubled storage box won't help much at all. For the less extreme like me, it will help tremendously. But you'll probably still see people complaining about storage because some people just have far too much stuff.

Guildmaster Cain

Guildmaster Cain

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Join Date: May 2006

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I heard we will get a 'Horadric Coathanger', which basically is an object you put in your inventory and you can drop armorpieces in it.

Hmm on second thought, lets not speculate anymore about it and just wait what the future holds for it. We can complain when it proves to be a useless update afterwards, or praise Anet for giving us such a splendid free update. Oh wait.... we will probably STILL complain INSPITE the splendid free update.

manitoba1073

manitoba1073

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Join Date: Jan 2006

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Well ty Anet for another usefull/useless update when it happens. Not saying that in a bad way. wouldnt want some people who act like they have stock in NCsoft to get riled up.. Now when i say its useful(extra storage of a sort) / useless(all our wonderfull holiday hats), thats what it exactly is.

Now for speculation part- hehe - it will be most likey like where you can toggle your helmets on and off. just a rabbit hunch i have.

Mister_Smiley

Mister_Smiley

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Well it seams i was total off, i will just have to wait and see what happens

manitoba1073

manitoba1073

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

ManitobaShipyards Refit and Repair Station

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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ernada
If you're that desperate for storage then yes, but I'd like more free storage as well. But that wasnt my point. My point was that instead of buying another account you could buy another slot instead, so you wouldnt have to do the account shuffle that the other guy was complaining about.

And I want to note that even if they can DOUBLE the xunlai storage box that we have, the people who have multiple accounts will STILL have to shuffle because obviously they have too much stuff and even the doubled storage box won't help much at all. For the less extreme like me, it will help tremendously. But you'll probably still see people complaining about storage because some people just have far too much stuff.
Well for the most part people bought most of there second accounts long before the online offer was even thought off.

Darkobra

Darkobra

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Scotland

Type like an idiot, I'll treat you like an idiot

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Well I'm looking forward to this. Any added storage is good storage in my eyes.

scrinner

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

damn... So.. No chocolate coated candies given to me by the devs

N E D M

N E D M

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Officer's Club

Gameamp Guides [AMP]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aohige
I would actually agree with you, if there actually WAS an inscription trader.
But as of now, there isn't.
Good point, there should be some kind of trader for these

Shadow_7

Shadow_7

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Raiders of Gilead

W/R

Looking forward to it. woot!!

leprekan

leprekan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Posers and Wannabes [nubs]

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Ernada
If you're that desperate for storage then yes, but I'd like more free storage as well. But that wasnt my point. My point was that instead of buying another account you could buy another slot instead, so you wouldnt have to do the account shuffle that the other guy was complaining about.

And I want to note that even if they can DOUBLE the xunlai storage box that we have, the people who have multiple accounts will STILL have to shuffle because obviously they have too much stuff and even the doubled storage box won't help much at all. For the less extreme like me, it will help tremendously. But you'll probably still see people complaining about storage because some people just have far too much stuff.
Uhhhhhh you don't log on and off to swap between accounts. You do it to swap between storage and mules to free up a char. Hence more mules from the online store won't help. 19 months without an upgrade to the box ... sorry but that original storage was meant for CHAPTER ONE we are on CHAPTER THREE with the ORIGINAL storage box. I get the sense you will want to debate it anyway.

The Ernada

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by leprekan
I get the sense you will want to debate it anyway.
What's to debate? We both would like more storage. But the difference is that you make it sound like Anet isnt doing anything about it and are wasting time doing other things instead. And storage is hardly an urgent problem unless you're hoarding tons of useless junk.