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shardfenix

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Il Power Overwhelming Il [HaX]

22 Dec 2006 at 07:05 - 1

Random arenas:

It takes one minute to fix this problem. Is that minute being spent on more important things, like

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guildwars Update Page

Added a Wintersday Priest to the outpost for the "Dwayna vs. Grenth" Snowball Arena. This NPC teleports players back to their most recently visited outpost or town.
Removed the purpose column from the Party Search panel and added collapsible purpose groups instead.
The PvP Equipment Builder now allows the player to specify the dye color of weapons and off-hand items.
The Skill Bar in the Skills and Attributes panel now shows tooltips even if tooltips have been disabled for the primary Skill Bar.
Lowered the armor on Peppermint and Gingerbread Shields from 10 to 8 to match the highest inherent armor found on random loot.
Fixed a bug that caused some Necromancer minions in Nightfall to behave sluggishly.
Fixed a bug with the skill "Brace Yourself!" It now ends once it has prevented a knockdown.
Fixed a bug that made it appear that some characters were throwing their spears backwards.
Improved the description of the monster skill "Enraged" so that it more accurately reflects the skill's behavior.

Those are only some of the useless, unneeded updates from the last 24 days. I realize Anet is a PvE company who made a PvP game (???), but can you spend 1 minute of your time to fix the most exploited pvp function ever discovered (since vod gate locking)? I would say thanks, but you're not gonna do it anyway.

P.S. This belongs in the pvp forum, but anet doesnt read the pvp forums and I feel this needs Anet's very fragile attention.

lightblade

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

The Etereal Guard

Me/Mo

22 Dec 2006 at 07:07 - 2

Chances? 100%

If you get 3 players in Team Arena and start a game, you get matched to Random Arena

Shantel Span

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

Knights of King Thorn [Mad]

A/N

22 Dec 2006 at 07:11 - 3

It's pretty easy to do that in International district where *the number of players is relatively low*

shardfenix

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Il Power Overwhelming Il [HaX]

22 Dec 2006 at 07:13 - 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by lightblade

Chances? 100%

If you get 3 players in Team Arena and start a game, you get matched to Random Arena

No, if a team of 3 people in TA enters, they get matched in Team Arenas with 1 person from random arenas. Go learn what pvp is before looking like a dumbass.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shantel Span

It's pretty easy to do that in International district where *the number of players is relatively low*

Which is exactly my point.

generik

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

22 Dec 2006 at 07:24 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by shardfenix

No, if a team of 3 people in TA enters, they get matched in Team Arenas with 1 person from random arenas. Go learn what pvp is before looking like a dumbass.

And this a bug how?

shardfenix

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Il Power Overwhelming Il [HaX]

22 Dec 2006 at 07:26 - 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by generik

And this a bug how?

Exploit. Exploits are not bugs (sometimes). I did not mention any "bug." Please learn how to read.

To reiterate, this is not a "bug" report. If it was, I wouldn't post it here. This is an "exploit." An "exploit" which is not caused by a "bug."

LagunaCid

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

BHL

R/

22 Dec 2006 at 07:28 - 7

This would be "fixed" how?

Thallandor

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Singapore

Seers of Serpents [SoS]

R/

22 Dec 2006 at 07:32 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by shardfenix

I realize Anet is a PvE company who made a PvP game

And all this time i have been lead to believe that GW was a PvP game with the PvE slapped on being the red headed stepchild of the PvP focused game that so many have been preaching thus far.

As for the problem highlighted in the pic, was this RA at peak traffic hour or at the wee hours of the night for the US? Even for different timezones across different region servers, there should be a small window of minimium population size playing the game which at this time, the SS can happen. Unless of course this is a bug that is explioted then please email support and report this.

Edit: Not forgetting that if this was taken recently with the introduction of the wintersday snow ball arena, RA player size may decrease as more players are diluted to other areas of the game. Should a large guild choose to use this period to mass join RA, there will be a higher chance for them to end up in the same team or co-ordinating joining up by time checking over TS or vent which to my knowledge is nothing new or can be prevented unless the codes scripted for RA teams takes guild/alliance tags into consideration.

Angel Netherborn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Lower Ward, Sigil

Goda Vos

22 Dec 2006 at 07:39 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thallandor

And all this time i have been lead to believe that GW was a PvP game with the PvE slapped on being the red headed stepchild of the PvP focused game that so many have been preaching thus far.

I was under that impression as well. Since the start, they were harping on the pvp side of things.

As for getting Anet's attention, no wonder which forum you post to, you can't guarantee that someone from Anet will take notice. Did you try to make a report first? Also, you might want to offer up some solutions, just in case they "fix" it with something you don't like...

Dragonious

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

Hot Springs, AR

Dei Victorae [dV]

R/W

22 Dec 2006 at 07:44 - 10

Don't play in international districts then....The odds are way better that you won't go against a team like that.

Swinging Fists

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

W/Mo

22 Dec 2006 at 07:50 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by shardfenix

Random arenas:

It takes one minute to fix this problem. Is that minute being spent on more important things, like

Those are only some of the useless, unneeded updates from the last 24 days. I realize Anet is a PvE company who made a PvP game (???), but can you spend 1 minute of your time to fix the most exploited pvp function ever discovered (since vod gate locking)? I would say thanks, but you're not gonna do it anyway.

P.S. This belongs in the pvp forum, but anet doesnt read the pvp forums and I feel this needs Anet's very fragile attention.

So, all those updates are useless and the luck of three guildmates is "the most exploited pvp function ever discovered" ? It's random arenas. Saying this is more important than any of the update / bug fixes / improvements ANet has been making just makes you sound silly.

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

22 Dec 2006 at 07:56 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swinging Fists

So, all those updates are useless and the luck of three guildmates is "the most exploited pvp function ever discovered" ? It's random arenas. Saying this is more important than any of the update / bug fixes / improvements ANet has been making just makes you sound silly.

Learn what join spiking is? I assume that that's what shard's talking about.

shardfenix

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Il Power Overwhelming Il [HaX]

22 Dec 2006 at 21:22 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragonious

Don't play in international districts then....The odds are way better that you won't go against a team like that.

But if I play at home districts, I get paired up with 3 idiots and lose 90% of the time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swinging Fists

So, all those updates are useless and the luck of three guildmates is "the most exploited pvp function ever discovered" ? It's random arenas. Saying this is more important than any of the update / bug fixes / improvements ANet has been making just makes you sound silly.

Yes, cheating should be higher priority on the "fix it list" than adding an NPC that sends people to a town they could go to with "m" and 2 mouse clicks. Cheating should also be higher priority than letting players put dye on items that don't dye well.

Those three guildmates happened to be running builds that would have sucked individually, but just by stroke of luck they got on a team with each other and *gasp* what were the chances their builds would have synergy?

[DE]

Hugs and Kisses

Join Date: Oct 2005

Scars Meadows

22 Dec 2006 at 21:28 - 14

Than don't do RA (the worst PvP out there).

RA is a joke and meant for people to try out random PvP builds before moving them to something more serious such as TA, HA or GvG.

If you're complaining about RA than something isn't right with you.

It's not even worthwhile to join spike in RA since all you get is a worthless gladiator title and balthazar faction.

Navaros

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2005

Mo/Me

22 Dec 2006 at 21:43 - 15

Anet reads the PVP forums, why do you think they nerfed Heroes out of HA. It was because masses of people whined about it in the PVP forums.

This RA exploit is very, very old. Surely Anet is well-aware of it and has been for months.

Big_Iron

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

The Edge

Tormented Weapons [emo]

22 Dec 2006 at 21:57 - 16

This is flamebait if I've ever seen it. If you've found an exploit, by all means point it out. Flaming Anet and/or PvE is antagonistic will only get your thread closed.

Hand of Ruin

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2006

22 Dec 2006 at 22:22 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Phantom

It's not even worthwhile to join spike in RA since all you get is a worthless gladiator title and balthazar faction.

can you elaborate?

Batou of Nine

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

California, USA

Angel Sharks [AS] (RiP [KaiZ] T__T")

Mo/E

22 Dec 2006 at 22:56 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hand of Ruin

can you elaborate?

He is refering to people in Random Arenas taht coordinate a timed "Join Game". So much like a spike being countdown, they try and join the game at the same time to increase the chances that they will actually end up in the game together...

The OP had a valid point, HOWEVER, he stated it like a 11 year old boy whining for more candy. Seriously man, don't be bashing/flaming on everything in the game because of your one instance of fustration. Is it common? Fine, but pointing out an exploit and getting feedback from the community in an OBJECTIVE and mature manner would attract Anet MUCH more-so then a flame-lined rage that sounds like a 11 year old temper tantrum. Sorry plain honest truth.

As most already said, you have totally setup yourself to be flamed. You provided very little detail on teh problem, and instead just ranted about Anet doing free services for our benefit. Try being grateful to Anet, where you should have provided this thread as a constructive exploit highlight/warning, but you didn't.

We will prolly see this thread fill full of pointless arguments and flamewars, thread will close soon.

cheers.

dansamy

Chasing Dragons

Join Date: May 2005

Lost in La-La Land

LFGuild

Mo/Me

22 Dec 2006 at 23:01 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by shardfenix

But if I play at home districts, I get paired up with 3 idiots and lose 90% of the time.

Hmmm...so if you get on a team with 3 guildmates and the group doesn't suck, it's ok? It's just when they're opposite you that it's cheating. (That's the only logical thing I can think of that would make an ID RA team better than a RA team from your home district, because otherwise, they are random.)

generik

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

22 Dec 2006 at 23:02 - 20

This thread will be closed.

onerabbit

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Thanks to all the guru [mods]

22 Dec 2006 at 23:04 - 21

Well..this is ganna get closed

Redfeather1975

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Apartment#306

Rhedd Asylum

Me/

22 Dec 2006 at 23:06 - 22

Yeah, it will be closed eventually.

But in future everyone. Why aren't you actually going to support and submitting bug reports and such? It takes longer and you have to fill out your account info, but at least it gets read.

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

23 Dec 2006 at 00:15 - 23

IT was funnier running into QQ in RA and them having all 4 of them on the same team

and yes there are pics on their forums as well as proof of it happening

Thilarin

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

W/

23 Dec 2006 at 00:18 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by shardfenix

But if I play at home districts, I get paired up with 3 idiots and lose 90% of the time.

obviously they arent IDIOTS if they beat you and....its RANDOM arena...shit happens

Relambrien

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Delaware, USA

Error Seven Operators [Call]

W/

24 Dec 2006 at 21:55 - 25

Anet has done all that really matters to fix it. They set it up so that most games start at 30-second intervals, so join-spiking isn't as effective. If (random number) 3,000 games are starting every 30 seconds, that's less of a chance that a join spike will occur than with another game starting 15 seconds after one has finished.

It's fairly difficult to join spike successfully because of this, and really, who cares that much about it? RA is casual PvP to test things out, get used to playing something, etc. It's not supposed to be serious, so balance problems can be overlooked. Take for example the Dwayna and Grenth sides in snowball fights. To most, Dwayna is clearly superior, but since it's supposed to be fun, not serious, who cares?

Gimme Money Plzkthx

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

24 Dec 2006 at 23:43 - 26

This bug needs to be fixed. And ID and AD teams sometimes seem to mix once inside, i.e. I played in ID today ran into one team, owned, got fed up, went to AD, entered, 2 rounds later played the SAME TEAM who had set up a definitive build and owned me (again). Now it wouldn't be that bad if it were only RA ID, but when they're mixing... its ridiculous.

Diddy bow

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

Jawsome!!!!!!!!!!!

looking for one :p

A/D

25 Dec 2006 at 00:01 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thilarin

obviously they arent IDIOTS if they beat you and....its RANDOM arena...shit happens

exacly, ra is just a little test area for new builds and mabay a bit of faction earning one loss against a pre set squad isnt going to harm you that much right?

its just turned 12:00 gmt btw so MERRY CHRISTMAS

TB_

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

25 Dec 2006 at 01:12 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shantel Span

It's pretty easy to do that in International district where *the number of players is relatively low*

Yup, its a snap. Of course AN claimed to have fixed this some time ago, of course the "fix: lasted like 4 seconds so its back to exploiting. Such a pitty the RA is still the only option for casual PvP players I mean think about it.... almost 2 years GW has been round and no new modes, no new features to pvp, its all recycled 4v4 maps and nerfs. Shameful.

Franco Power

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2006

UK

W/

25 Dec 2006 at 01:15 - 29

Who cares ?

Its RA

Oh and to the OP stop being so arrogant to everyone and to the comment

"if i play in home districts i get paired up with 3 ignorant idiots"

GO DO TA!

natuxatu

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Wisconsin

Rt/Mo

25 Dec 2006 at 02:15 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by generik

This thread will be closed.

I hope so as the orginal poster really had no point.

Alleji

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

25 Dec 2006 at 02:37 - 31

How exactly does saying "this thread will be closed" contribute to anything? Seems way more useless than the original post. Go and be proud of yourselves.

Giving a player an NOP if the only slots available are on teams with one or more players from the same guild (alliance?) seems like a way to fix it. Sure, XoO might suffer, but it's all for the greater good :P

Although it still doesn't prevent friends from different guilds joining the same team.

Gigashadow

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Bellevue, WA

W/

25 Dec 2006 at 02:42 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alleji

How exactly does saying "this thread will be closed" contribute to anything? Seems way more useless than the original post. Go and be proud of yourselves.

They do it to feel good about themselves and fit in and gain acceptance with similar whiners. They're the same sort of sycophant you often see here who, when they see a screenshot complimenting someone for doing a good deed, generate a large volume of posts crying like little teacher's pets that the praised person's name wasn't blacked out.

Spike

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

In front of my PC

Kai

E/Mo

25 Dec 2006 at 02:52 - 33

Oh look a pvper moaning AS USUAL what a shock.

1) THIS IS NOT A PVP GAME IT NEVER WAS, IS NOT, AND NEVER WILL BE.
2) WHO THE *&*&^*ING HELL CARES ABOUT something this IS NOT an exploit. An exploit is a bug that gives someone an unfair advantage. Since this is NOT a bug and gives NO ONE an unfair advantage. Go moan somewhere else.

lacasner

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

25 Dec 2006 at 03:21 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spike

Oh look a pvper moaning AS USUAL what a shock.

1) THIS IS NOT A PVP GAME IT NEVER WAS, IS NOT, AND NEVER WILL BE.
2) WHO THE *&*&^*ING HELL CARES ABOUT something this IS NOT an exploit. An exploit is a bug that gives someone an unfair advantage. Since this is NOT a bug and gives NO ONE an unfair advantage. Go moan somewhere else.

Everything is wrong about this post.

1) Actually, PvE'rs moan the most, after all this game is mostly pvers anyway.
2) Actually, this is a PvP game, it always was, and it always will be, in all ways of the game. I mean look at it, everything is skill based and balanced, so how can that not be pvp based first of all?
3) Who cares that this is a pvp exploit? People who play pvp, the real skilled players (yes this is controversial to some but that is only for the people who aren't good enough to pvp and play the pve arguement) of this game, because pvp is what this game revolves around, like it should.

ericdanie

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Rio de Janeiro - Brazil

Tribo dos Reis [TdR]

R/

25 Dec 2006 at 04:24 - 35

Hmm, excuse me.

There is a view point you all haven't taken a look at.

Newbies to PvP (not noobs, I mean the real beginners) can't access TA or HA until they've unlocked them, so they HAVE to play RA, for improving their own player skill and acquiring Balthazar faction (remember, PvP is completely unlinked to PvE, one player may decide to start playing GW just for its PvP).

Think of it, you are a beginner on this game, maybe using a trial key and you end up playing against people with a similar tag in the end of their character names which with the least common sense will notice it's the same guild tag. This will cause an incredibly negative impression for you, the beginner.

Plus, there is a title called Gladiator which can be easily farmed with this exploit. You may not give a sh** to a title, but it increases your Balthazar faction cap, and it's a title, a way to show your acomplishments. There are people struggling in RA with random people and in TA with guild groups to get this title, and others are just exploiting the system, yes it's an exploit, you get an obviously unfair advantage by playing with a non-random team (hey, isn't this place called Random Arenas?).

The OP was poorly written if the intention was to get a fix for this exploit. What you made was only inviting people to flame you.

Besides fansite forums, you could have sent a report to ANet's support, you know, they have a priority list and chances are the sooner you report a bug the sooner it will eventually get fixed. I really don't know how ANet couldn't have noticed this flaw on the matchmaking system yet, or if they did notice, why they haven't fixed it. Please don't give a poor excuse saying it's hard to be done, because it IS done, and a lot of exploited gladiator points have been awarded already by this exploit, plus the negative impressions on random teams playing against this non-random team.

My post is not intended to be a flame or anything negative. I'm interested in seeing this exploit fixed as much as anyone wanted (including me) to see HA as it is now, no longer 6v6 "Heroway Battles".

Spike

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

In front of my PC

Kai

E/Mo

25 Dec 2006 at 05:29 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by lacasner

Everything is wrong about this post.

1) Actually, PvE'rs moan the most, after all this game is mostly pvers anyway.
2) Actually, this is a PvP game, it always was, and it always will be, in all ways of the game. I mean look at it, everything is skill based and balanced, so how can that not be pvp based first of all?
3) Who cares that this is a pvp exploit? People who play pvp, the real skilled players (yes this is controversial to some but that is only for the people who aren't good enough to pvp and play the pve arguement) of this game, because pvp is what this game revolves around, like it should.

Sigh. Could you conterdict your self more in one post I think not.

If this game has a majority of pvers as you say, there must be something for them to do otherwise they would'nt play here. So therefore this MUST be a PVE game. IF one of the founders of ANET says this was designed as a PVE game but they added pvp to it for something to do after you have finished the MAIN IE PVE part of the game then thats what it is.

1) pvpers do NOTHING BUT moan. Be it that so and so skill is unbalanced and must be nefred or about some exploit that DOES NOT EXIST. it ALLWAYS something.

2) Try again this HAS NEVER BEEN JUST A PVP GAME AND NEVER WILL BE. The games revolves around what the VAST majority of the people playing this game DO. IE PVE.

3) Right so just becasuse its skill based and balanced it must be a pvp game. What makes you think that. Oh wait a min of course you did'nt think or can't as if you HAD, you would of seen how stupid that statement was.

zakaria

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

25 Dec 2006 at 05:42 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericdanie

Hmm, excuse me.

There is a view point you all haven't taken a look at.

Newbies to PvP (not noobs, I mean the real beginners) can't access TA or HA until they've unlocked them, so they HAVE to play RA, for improving their own player skill and acquiring Balthazar faction (remember, PvP is completely unlinked to PvE, one player may decide to start playing GW just for its PvP).

Think of it, you are a beginner on this game, maybe using a trial key and you end up playing against people with a similar tag in the end of their character names which with the least common sense will notice it's the same guild tag. This will cause an incredibly negative impression for you, the beginner.

Plus, there is a title called Gladiator which can be easily farmed with this exploit. You may not give a sh** to a title, but it increases your Balthazar faction cap, and it's a title, a way to show your acomplishments. There are people struggling in RA with random people and in TA with guild groups to get this title, and others are just exploiting the system, yes it's an exploit, you get an obviously unfair advantage by playing with a non-random team (hey, isn't this place called Random Arenas?).

The OP was poorly written if the intention was to get a fix for this exploit. What you made was only inviting people to flame you.

Besides fansite forums, you could have sent a report to ANet's support, you know, they have a priority list and chances are the sooner you report a bug the sooner it will eventually get fixed. I really don't know how ANet couldn't have noticed this flaw on the matchmaking system yet, or if they did notice, why they haven't fixed it. Please don't give a poor excuse saying it's hard to be done, because it IS done, and a lot of exploited gladiator points have been awarded already by this exploit, plus the negative impressions on random teams playing against this non-random team.

My post is not intended to be a flame or anything negative. I'm interested in seeing this exploit fixed as much as anyone wanted (including me) to see HA as it is now, no longer 6v6 "Heroway Battles".

Well said mate.

unspokenglory

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2006

in the pits of a shadowy depth

central guild alliance

W/Mo

25 Dec 2006 at 08:59 - 38

whoa getting paired with 3 ignorant idiots O.o im sorry but i go to ra to test builds .. builds that well somtimes fail horribly .. with out ra ta ha and gvg would look rediculous ^_^ why rasnt and bash on people who creat half the builds you find on the sites these day's ? hey you never know one of these people you have bashed could have made the next build you go and try .. so i say to you if you can't handle the kitchen get out ^_^

geminisaga

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/N

25 Dec 2006 at 09:26 - 39

shard the wannabe iwayer

Shaz

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Scars Meadows [SMS]

25 Dec 2006 at 09:41 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spike

Sigh. Could you conterdict your self more in one post I think not.

If this game has a majority of pvers as you say, there must be something for them to do otherwise they would'nt play here. So therefore this MUST be a PVE game. IF one of the founders of ANET says this was designed as a PVE game but they added pvp to it for something to do after you have finished the MAIN IE PVE part of the game then thats what it is.

1) pvpers do NOTHING BUT moan. Be it that so and so skill is unbalanced and must be nefred or about some exploit that DOES NOT EXIST. it ALLWAYS something.

2) Try again this HAS NEVER BEEN JUST A PVP GAME AND NEVER WILL BE. The games revolves around what the VAST majority of the people playing this game DO. IE PVE.

3) Right so just becasuse its skill based and balanced it must be a pvp game. What makes you think that. Oh wait a min of course you did'nt think or can't as if you HAD, you would of seen how stupid that statement was.

LOL!! I don't care or know who moan the most. But this game is aiming more at the PvPers! For example, the 3 ascension missions in proph are somewhat training you for PvP. And as the other poster already said, most skill balanced that was done are mainly aiming at balancing the PvP aspects of the game. I agree that vast majority of people are playing PvE though, but that's only because they haven't try PvP yet(and don't know how fun it is, not to say that PvE is not fun though because it can be) or that they sucks at it. Main point is the game is more toward PvP then PvE.