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Xunlai Master

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Serenity Temple

W/

24 Dec 2006 at 06:54 - 1

My previous thread was full of flame so I'll try to keep this one clean.

I like GW and I play a lot. But I still don't understand why there are so many ignorant players in GW.. cos i think they ruin the game.

You can't expect a newbie to play like a pro, but ppl learn. Yet most of ppl I see in game don't even know the basics. They don't know what to do, don't have right skills or attributes and they complain NF xxx Mission is impossible, etc when all missions are dead easy if you know what to do.

Couldn't they just spend 10 minutes doing search on the net? I'm sure they'll find all the answers.

Look at Stygian trapping for example.
It can be done easily with 3 ppl. I've got around 20 gems using 2 heroes.

But most ppl do it with freaking 8 ppl instead of 3-4.

They use 6 trappers + monk + bip or 7 trappers + bip. (I'm talking bout gem farming teams)
And from my exp like 50% of trappers don't even have 16 ws.

or they have wrong skills. They trap at wrong spot, or harder spot and they can't lure properly. List just goes on n on. In fact it was much easier(n quicker) for me to do it with 2 heroes over 8 ppl pug team.

I would prefer to do it with another 2 ppl rather than using 2 heros cos I'll get same drops and it will be much easier for me cos I don't have to control two heroes. So I even tried to teach my method to other trappers, but no luck.

Cow Tale

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2006

Ocean Shores, Washington

Last Sun Rise

W/Mo

24 Dec 2006 at 07:11 - 2

most people play to have fun and arent trying to impress you dude. get over yourself.

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

D/W

24 Dec 2006 at 07:21 - 3

He is not saying that all new players are ignorant. he is saying that there seems to be an increasing number of new players who dont read the manual or take some advice from veteran players.
I ma very confused about these people's thought process. buy a game for ~$50 then dont touch the manual, but immediately jump into the game with the mindset that you know everything and no one can help you learn anything about the game. Earlier today I was in a mission outpost (name escapes me, on the luxon side) solofarming a boss and between run i get an invite from someone, so i click accept (always looking for people giving things away), as soon as i accept i see that he has a party window full of people he has invited. so i ask the guy if there was a reason he invited me and he simply said "u du mison", getting a little annoyed i told him that instead of randomly inviting everyone in the outpost he could try saying 'lfg' a few times or use the fancy new search button, then the response i have grown to expect happened he freaked out and called me a few variations of m***********g n00b that I have never heard before(at least he was creative).

Im getting a little tired of these people....

Makkert

Black Beast of Aarrrrgghh

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

The Biggyverse [PLEB] // Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

24 Dec 2006 at 07:44 - 4

Back to the question the OP is trying to impose: 'WHY are people ignorant at this game?'
Sometimes I'm baffled as well. At events like Wintersday, one can see masses of people spamming questions in chat, while the answer can easily be found on fanforums or GWiki. I've wondered the question myself numerous times, and these are the reasons so far I've found:

1) new players still join GuildWars. if you are new to the game, you still need to learn.
2) there is a playergroup that works. they do their thinking at their job, and prefer to simply bash a bit away for amusement in their game.

Still looking for other explanations, I'm sure there must be more.

malignant-heretic

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

UK

UH - UNHOLY

N/

24 Dec 2006 at 07:46 - 5

Quote:

I ma very confused about these people's thought process. buy a game for ~$50 then dont touch the manual

I rarely read manuals, ever since the time of the megadrive(genesis) and the snes, ive rarely ever read a game manual. ( cept to look at the list of weapons in games like halo. ) i didnt read the Guildwars manual either, i prefer to learn as i play. the majority of games have some sort of intro / tutorial anyway.

And xunlai master, i personally think your being the most ignorant here, so some people arent up to your "1337" standards and that makes em ignorant?
You said:

Quote:

Couldn't they just spend 10 mins doing search on the net? I'm sure they'll find all the answers.

well to put it simply i think alot of people dont want to look at guides and walkthroughs. im one of these people, i think reading walkthroughs and guides is basically getting someone else to play the game for you. While im not denying that ive never read a walkthrough, ill always give it a few solid goes before i have to.

Quote:

List just goes on n on. In fact it was much easier(n quicker) for me to do it with 2 heroes over 8 ppl pug team.

then use 2 heroes and stop whinning about the way others play the game.

i totally agree with what Stormcloud and cow tale said, you need to get over yourself dude.

Akhilleus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

If it aint expensive, it aint worth buyin'.

Leading/Co-leading Bretheren Of Chaos [Dark]

W/Mo

24 Dec 2006 at 07:55 - 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coloneh

I ma very confused about these people's thought process. buy a game for ~$50 then dont touch the manual, but immediately jump into the game with the mindset that you know everything and no one can help you learn anything about the game.

if you think reading a game manual will give you insta-skill in said game, then i suggest you quit gaming.
the average skilled gamer probably has a learning curve of about 5-10 minutes (minus small details) in any game in a genre they're familiar with.
any gamer that has to resort to manuals to learn what they are doing, will probably have to spend 10X that to get their bearings.

reading manuals does not equal success.
and yeah, short of reading up on the weapons in an FPS, i never touch the things (and even then almost all FPSes have the standard shotgun-type weapon, assault-rifle-type weapon, pistol-type weapon, sniper-rifle-type weapon, rocket-launcher-type weapon, and occasionally a few different ones as well [then theres grenades, rail launchers, etc])

Xunlai Master

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Serenity Temple

W/

24 Dec 2006 at 08:05 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cow Tale

most people play to have fun and arent trying to impress you dude. get over yourself.

I agree with you on one thing, ppl play GW for fun (inc myself).
But that is the problem. cos GW isn't really fun when u play with ignorant player(s). This isn't much problem for me cos I avoid them but I was simply pointing out the fact that there are soo many of them around. so i'm starting to thinking that many GW players are unable to learn simple things for watever reason.

Quote:

Originally Posted by N E D M

Impart your trapping wisdom upon me, Great One!
I am as a sponge. . . . .

You have to be a Super Pro if u want to do trapping.. cough. Seriously trapping is dead easy, all u have to do is press the buttons for traps. But that was my whole point, I can't even find decent ppl to do trapping.

Stormcloud

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Oregon, USA

24 Dec 2006 at 08:12 - 8

My point is why do you insist on bashing other peoples idea of fun by calling them "ignorant"?

Perhaps running around trying to cast mending on the enemy monk is their idea of fun.

Perhaps some people just throw skills on their bar because they think they are neat.

And last but not least,

Perhaps not everyone could ever possibly live up to your expectations.

strcpy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

One of Many [ONE]

24 Dec 2006 at 09:26 - 9

Probably the same reason so many people can not even attempt to write English and use "cos", "ppl", etc. Mis-spelling is OK and acceptable if one is trying and a rare use of them is OK - it happens (and some people do have a learning disability - I'm dyslexic and must depend on an inline spell checker). But for many of us, it really degrades people message to use such writing.

Of course, it is the internet - lots of people on it. I had to get used to it, accept it or leave. Like them, I'm sure you have your reason - maybe the are that way because they are out to have some fun and do not want to invest the time needed to meet your standards (much as I am sure you use such spelling to save keystrokes). Nor is my general dislike going to change anything - interesting to note that there is a high degree of correlation between an increase in ignorant players and an increase in lazy writing when there is no reason to do so.

Not a flame - write how you want. Just remember that I'm sure you have great reasons for writing like that and many of us absolutely hate it (I would much rather play with an incompetent player than read pages of modern internet shorthand) just as those "ignorant" players have their internally valid reasons regardless of if the other person finds said reasons acceptable.

Cow Tale

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2006

Ocean Shores, Washington

Last Sun Rise

W/Mo

24 Dec 2006 at 09:40 - 10

everyones version of fun is different. some ppl like to learn ultra leet ways to farm, others like to host "naked dance parties". not all these so called ignorant people are new either. i take breaks from farmign and questing to goof off in outposts. all the peeps that are new wont always be new. they will all learn the basics. i think its these 'ignorant" players that i get the biggest kick out of. they always make me laugh but i dont harass them. i had one guy try and sell me a cho weis axe for 45k claiming it was worth that since it has a low req! =) this is kinda like like PUG bashing, i love pugs they are so fun. who cares if they suck and u lose? its more fun than the silence of heros.

LOL Mending enemy monks FTW!! ill have to try that one! =)

Zakarr

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Finland

24 Dec 2006 at 10:34 - 11

GW has unique amount of ignorant players because...

- the whole community can meet each other (no private realms)
- effective gameplay is very different compared to other more traditional online RPG games (adaption will be required)
- no monthly fee (more moms to agree with their sons about purchasing the game)

Also we can blame the modern society about how young generations should be raised. No real punishments, everything comes in silver plate, etc. which will amplify in GW because of seamless community compared to other games.

gavin456

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2006

24 Dec 2006 at 10:52 - 12

mate, gw is a game where people choose how they want to play itif them dun want <16 ws maybe they got their own reason. People learn from their mistakes so if u think they are noobs or w/e let them grow and u should grow up too.

Dcom67

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2006

N/Mo

24 Dec 2006 at 12:10 - 13

To me ignorant is not the right term.
Ignorant players IMO are those running around calling others names,trash talking ,being obnoxious etc

To me your are refering to those less experienced players, or under equipped. Could be for many reasons.
- lack of funds ,or know where to aquire proper/better skills, equipment
- may have been in too many pugs for too long and are used to having the group shoulder most of the load
- quite a few people i ran across dont know about some of the great web sites full of information on just about anything they want to know.
- Just as there is some really good players , there is those that just plain dont know any better, are having fun and dont care to change, then some in the middle that would want to learn more to get better.
- may not realise thier character is not very good, if they have not seen one at a higher potential

Myself if I was doing fine with a couple heros , well I would just keep at it and be happy.
There is always going to be some that will solo things, solo with heros/henchies , and those that want that big group.
To each their own

Pucca

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/

24 Dec 2006 at 12:13 - 14

Although, there are a certain type of 'new people' that are really irritating and truly ignorant.
For example the ones that think they are ultra l331 and once you tell them something (eg. don't do this or we'll fail the mission) they flame you for it, and for some reason their caps lock button is usually broken as well.
This type of behavior can be seen first handedly in RA and PUG AB. For example this happened a few times;
you spend your time targeting a bond monk then telling them he/she is bonding and then they attack a different person and when your team loses they call everyone noobs.
These type of people, has to be right and are not willing to learn from others are the ignorant ones.

Water Angel

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

Paris

Me/E

24 Dec 2006 at 12:42 - 15

most players come from other games where they used to be(or at last they think so) leet.

so in their little brain nothign change.no matter if its a new game where they have to learn stuff.they was *pro* in other game so obviously they are pro here too no matter they just started...

Kamatsu

Moderator

Join Date: May 2005

Australia

24 Dec 2006 at 21:26 - 16

Please keep to the topic at hand. Any references to his previous thread will get deleted/removed. Also, please no flaming - you might not agree with his idea(s), but that does not justify or excuse flaming him/this-thread. Feel free to post your thought's on the matter - why you agree/disagree with him and his subject matter, but flames, personal insults, etc will not be tolerated.

Mr Jazzy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Cali

Mending For The [win]

W/A

24 Dec 2006 at 21:55 - 17

many players just use guild wars as a stress reliever, not as a full-focused hobby. like me, i don't really focus in guild wars all the time. i find it more fun to just kick back and use skills whenever.

you may classify me as a "casual" player, but this is what guild wars is meant for, the casual person. and if you really hated playing with other people on a team, try HvH battles or just use pure henchies.

Terra Xin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2006

New Zealand

Me/R

24 Dec 2006 at 22:01 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dcom67

To me ignorant is not the right term.
Ignorant players IMO are those running around calling others names,trash talking ,being obnoxious etc

To me your are refering to those less experienced players, or under equipped. Could be for many reasons.
- lack of funds ,or know where to aquire proper/better skills, equipment
- may have been in too many pugs for too long and are used to having the group shoulder most of the load
- quite a few people i ran across dont know about some of the great web sites full of information on just about anything they want to know.
- Just as there is some really good players , there is those that just plain dont know any better, are having fun and dont care to change, then some in the middle that would want to learn more to get better.
- may not realise thier character is not very good, if they have not seen one at a higher potential

Myself if I was doing fine with a couple heros , well I would just keep at it and be happy.
There is always going to be some that will solo things, solo with heros/henchies , and those that want that big group.
To each their own

This is the only post that I really agree with. I really don't like threads that make an attempt to generalise a group or population, without giving proper recognition to the details that Dcom67 has outlined. Some people are ignorant? Yes. Does someone become ignorant simply because they conflict with your way of thinking? Its a selfish perspective of ignorance, so no. Is there something you can do to change that? It's called teaching, but that's up to you.

Personally if someone asks a question, I'll answer it if I'm available. What I don't like seeing is people who give the most rudest of answers and totally take the crap out of the person who asked the question. Regardless of the number of people who ask the same questions, the ignorance comes in the fact that they are not likely to know that the question has been asked many times before. If you get tired of answering the repetative questions, turn off local chat and take a breather, before you say something you really dont mean to say.

Instead of coming here to complain about how ignorant you think people are, if you have the ability to make a difference, do it - tell new players that there is a website called gw.gamewikis.org, or answer the questions yourself. If you can't or don't want to, then don't answer them. But don't bitch and moan yourself, you're not making yourself any different from those you think aren't you yourself.

You'll be suprised, but if everyone helped one another instead of shutting them down and calling them ignorant, Guildwars would have a much better community. But, thanks to us, Anet are getting grey hairs just witnessing what happens here. I've said it a few times, but we are a really negative bunch of people that complain about everything. People know that it's Wintersday... right???

Relambrien

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

Delaware, USA

Error Seven Operators [Call]

W/

24 Dec 2006 at 22:08 - 19

Just to clarify....
From dictionary.com:

"Ignorant - lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man."

Ignorant does not mean that they aren't willing to learn, it's just that they HAVEN'T learned. But yes, there are people, an increasing amount, who refuse to admit that they are ignorant and thus deny help from those more experienced than them. Do what I do and avoid playing with them. You may find yourself on a team with someone who isn't playing a build optimally; state what he/she can do to play better, politely of course, with reasoning behind it. Hopefully, the person will recognize that you are more experienced in the subject and are to be listened to.

IMO, the best players aren't the ones with the best skills, it's the ones who are willing to learn from those more experienced than them, who can admit when they're not right, and who accept criticism and suggestions with open arms.

But as was previously stated, the GW playerbase doesn't have as many of these people as we would like. I forget who said it, but someone made the remark that because GW is free-to-play, more parents will purchase it for their kids. Heck, that's how I got started, albeit at a slightly older age than most others. Unfortunately, most of these kids cannot accept the fact that they're not the best, and that they pretty much utterly suck when they first start out. Just try to weed these delusioned elitists out, and avoid playing with them. There are some, after all, who are willing to learn from those better than them.

leprekan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Posers and Wannabes [nubs]

W/E

24 Dec 2006 at 22:10 - 20

Heroes are better than most pugs. If the OP cannot find atleast 1 human friend online .. perhaps the issue is not how bad the pugs are. Nobody forces ANY of us to group with an unknown. Choosing to do it and then ranting about it is rather priceless.

Happy Holidays

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

24 Dec 2006 at 22:16 - 21

Look at it from this angle: I could be a really good chess player (I'm not, but bear with me), and I could complain that there are just so many ignorant people who don't know how to play. I could. Or, I could simply have fun my way, let others have fun their way, and offer up advice and help to those that are grateful to have it and wish to improve.

Rude people are a different issue, not to be lumped into the ignorant issue. Sure, there are "rude & ignorant" people, but they're still just rude people in my book. Not knowing something is one thing, not knowing something and pretending you do, thinking it might make you look uber is another. Just don't lump that into the same group as people who don't know, and really don't care because they just want to have fun.

Renegade26

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

R/

24 Dec 2006 at 22:19 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dcom67

To me your are refering to those less experienced players, or under equipped. Could be for many reasons.
- lack of funds ,or know where to aquire proper/better skills, equipment
- may have been in too many pugs for too long and are used to having the group shoulder most of the load
- quite a few people i ran across dont know about some of the great web sites full of information on just about anything they want to know.
- Just as there is some really good players , there is those that just plain dont know any better, are having fun and dont care to change, then some in the middle that would want to learn more to get better.
- may not realise thier character is not very good, if they have not seen one at a higher potential

I hate that Anet hasn't helped out new players as much as they could by making this clearer to them. I'm sure Anet loves Guildwiki and what it does for the community, so why not tell everyone about it. Maybe go as far to make the game interactive so certain things can link you to the entry on guildwiki. Give new players runes and basic equipment that they need, and make it clear that their character can be better! Skill chaning quests! Make quest rewards give skills that work together! Even an idiot can see that some skills work well together, but may not get the chance to put those skills together. Do it for them sometimes. Explain how stances can be better than enchantments like mending when trying to reduce damage. Let them practise agro. Show them how their damage increases if they play with a better skill bar.
I know there is a huge amount of idiots/ignorant/inexperienced players, whatever you want to call them, but I don't think Anet makes it any easier for them to learn and get better

Grais

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Tools

24 Dec 2006 at 22:37 - 23

Go play any online game, and youll encounter rude jerks. Guildwars has no monopoly on that corner of the world believe me. I believe you may need to take a break from the game, because you seem a little over involved in what the rest of the population is up to. People are always, ALWAYS going to ask the same questions over and over, do u how many times in the last two days Ive answered peoples questions regarding Wintersday quests, did I have too answer them, no , I can turn chat off, just like you have the ability to turn chat off, and play by yourself if you so choose, and you should if the rest of the game pop is bothereing you as much as it seems. But, I choose to answer simple questions with a simple polite answer, yes people I could tell them to go to GWiki, and if they have a lot of questions, and some do, I do tell them about Wiki, and Guru, but usually they just want to know where the coal is, or the pipe, or termites, or what have you.
Basically the point is this, you and only you Xunlai, have the power to determine what kind of gaming experience you want to have. A persons moods and surroundings are directley influenced by his thoughts and feelings(simple stuff I know), soooo if you want to go around feeling and thinking that, most everyone else is rude, and ignorant jerk, well that is your perogative, but dont be surprised when people really are rude, and ignorant too you, its what you have come to expect. Might be surprised tho to find that a little better attitude can do wonders for your gameing experience.

Venus was her name

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Cornwall, UK

W/N

24 Dec 2006 at 22:57 - 24

nomatter what game you play, you are going to get some immature kids and ignorent people.

i don't mind new players as long as they ask sensible questions and at least TRY and work some stuff out themselves. we were all new once afterall.

the manual is mostly controls + ingame lore/story i dont see the point in reading it (although i did)

i usually hold a zero tolerance policy to people who flame/blame others and will make sure they feel very very small and meek if they decide to abuse myself or one of my friends.

1337 braggers (that includes rank emote flashers nomatter what their rank) in pvp, i usually just repeatly kill over and over for fun.

EDIT: leave the moderator alone

Bale_Shadowscar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Manchester, England

New Dragons [NDR]

24 Dec 2006 at 23:06 - 25

Well, I wouldn't say that all people that don't have the right skills etc are just ignorant. Of course, there are some people that refused to be helped and think that their way of doing stuff is the best and they don't want to learn.

But then again there are some people who don't know about these things, or don't ask for help because they are scared to, and rightly too sometimes.

Asking "Hi, I've never been to UW before, can someone show me the ropes?" etc in Temple of Ages (as I have done before) doesn't always give the best results. There are still alot of people who will reply to this with "go home then n00b" (the '1337' people), but even bystanders who just say "lol" can put people off asking for help, even if they don't intend to be mean.

Njaiguni Blaze

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

The Netherlands

The Biggyverse [PLEB]

Me/

24 Dec 2006 at 23:20 - 26

Ok, i'll try to make a post again. Myself, I wouldn't give a hootie about how other people play. If someone needs help, I'll awnser their questions and sometimes might even help them on their quest/build/mission. That will help them. If I may bring out my opinion; I find this thread disgusting. Asking "Why are there so many ignorant/rude players?" is not really a good title and will not earn you much respect. Especially because you are being kind of rude about "them" yourself and making a title something more like "Why are there so many unexperienced players?" would be a better way of saying things. This thread isn't about people being ignorant, it's about you feeling more 133704 than anyone else. It's common sense that there are less experienced players in a game, everyone needs to learn. And people who want to team up with others in a 8 man group in stead of a 3 man group are not nessicarily "newbs" or "ignorant". Maybe they just like to play with other people. After all, this a Co-operative Online Role Playing Game.
Happy Wintersday, Blaze.

the_jos

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Hard Mode Legion [HML]

N/

24 Dec 2006 at 23:29 - 27

I don't think there are that much ignorant people on the high-end parts of the various chapters.
Most of the missions require about 6 out of 8 people that know at least somethings about what they are doing. So that makes 3/4 non-ignorant players.
But, on a 3 milion player base, that 1/4 is still a lot.
Edit: I still think that is a huge overestimation

Furthermore, when you want people to play a different kind of role (like the trapper), you have to teach them. Trappers are not used that often during normal gameplay, so you have a high chance that someone that is just ranger and wants in your team says he/she's a trapper (and has only one trap, if any).

With the 'new' skill feature, you can at least check the skills someone uses.
And you can check if they have a staff equipped (for the addditional 15 energy).

Now you have a decent looking trapper, but does he/she know the area?
Or trapping in general?
Talk to them, see what they know.
It's not bad to take an unexperienced person with you, as long as he/she follows commands.
I've taken some new trappers through Vizunah Square missions, just telling them where to trap (ping on map), while trapping an other place myself.

On top of this, I know from experience that there are quite a lot of kids playing GuildWars and they have a different playing style.
Sure there are a lot of good players amongst them, but also a lot of them want to finish asap, get all they can get even sooner and listening is for 'noobs'.
When you have bad luck and the whole team is formed around a couple of those kids, good luck finishing whatever you want.

The Ernada

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

24 Dec 2006 at 23:30 - 28

I dont mind and I even help "ignorant" people. These are people who are simply new or just dont really know the game. As long as they have a good attitude, I have no problem with them.

Then there is WILLFUL ignorance. People with bad attitude who dont or refuse to listen. People who dont even try to learn or read a simple instruction then get mad and insult you for trying to help.

Sadly, a lot of young people fit in the second category.

Stormcloud

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Oregon, USA

24 Dec 2006 at 23:32 - 29

Bottom line is try to help people learn or play with heroes. Some people cant be taught, some do not want to be taught, some just want to play for fun.

I have played for 19 months and I am probly one of these "ignorant" people you speak of. I do not know builds, I do not know the best way to do things, but I do try to be part of "the team". Im just glad there are understanding people who play the game.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

24 Dec 2006 at 23:41 - 30

did i miss something or ... whats rude about ppl being shite? or playing the game the way they want?
was actually expecting something in the lines of 'those swines kept using 4 letter words in fow!!' but the only ignorant person that i could find in your thread is you.
sorry dude.

Diddy bow

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

Jawsome!!!!!!!!!!!

looking for one :p

A/D

24 Dec 2006 at 23:46 - 31

cus ppl can be rude with out getting the so and so beat out of them see
...seriosly

the_jos

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Hard Mode Legion [HML]

N/

24 Dec 2006 at 23:49 - 32

Quote:

I have played for 19 months and I am probly one of these "ignorant" people you speak of. I do not know builds, I do not know the best way to do things, but I do try to be part of "the team". Im just glad there are understanding people who play the game.

I cannot tell if you are ignorant or not.
After 19 months of play, you should know at least a bit what skills work better or worse in certain situations.
Or what set of skills will get you through the game (my monk uses 2 basic builds with only small adjustments most of the time).

If you adapted, you are not ignorant.

Furthermore, there is no 'best way' to do things.
When you finish the mission/quest, you have done fine.
Sure it could be faster (I still remember the Grand Court of Sebelkeh mission, finished in 31 minutes because the team did not know what to do and only one Warrior responded to my calls to get up the ramps to close the rifts).
But we have done the job.
Only on masters teams skills and mindset really matter.

ubermancer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

******************* Refuge From Exile [RFE]

24 Dec 2006 at 23:50 - 33

Because there are that many ignorant and rude people.

Ansgar Two Hand

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2006

FWE

W/R

24 Dec 2006 at 23:55 - 34

There are a lot of rude and ignorant people in life in general. It's called the 20% rule. Don't be surprised when some of them decide to play GW. The less mature players present here and there in most games sometimes don't help either.

Further compounding the "rude" problem, people seem to think no one is watching them in the cities/towns/outposts, and that it's ok to spam fart jokes, toss about various slurs, advertise "WTS one well used mom" in the party search, and try to sell santa hats to noobs. Such is life, but at least most of them get bored and leave.

pingu666

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2006

guildhall

[DETH]

25 Dec 2006 at 00:21 - 35

i think theres more rude/annoying/provocative/negative people about now

some things annoy people for no reason i can see, like a friend of mine gets annoyed when people (non leader) suggest things when forming a pug, something like "a ele would be good" or "i suggest we get a warrior as we have no tank"

personaly i like to play with people if possible, and i help others when i can. but some people dont want to think, or want to go on and have fights with others...

phallanxian

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

25 Dec 2006 at 01:21 - 36

Guild wars i find to be nowhere as bad as other online games i came into guild wars from playing battlefield 2 and this is horrendous for other people flaming tking and such.

However since i started i have loved the game and i'm happy to group with pug's but try as often as possibly to get a group composed of people from my guild as it's more efficient and fun, for the most part playing with hero's or henches would be my last choice as it's far less enjoyable to sit there in silence.

Terra Xin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2006

New Zealand

Me/R

25 Dec 2006 at 02:17 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by phallanxian

Guild wars i find to be nowhere as bad as other online games i came into guild wars from playing battlefield 2 and this is horrendous for other people flaming tking and such.

Oh that's definately right, when you look at other online multiplayer games, GuildWars definately stands out. I mean there are much worse people in the other games, GuildWars is lucky, coupled with Anet's ability to communicate with their consumers really makes the difference, it cuts down the number of complaints and rude people are less likely to act rude. Ignorance would be on the high though, this game can get really complicated.

Antheus

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

25 Dec 2006 at 02:22 - 38

Guild Wars is a single-player game.

There is no social interdependancy, no consequences, and complete anonimity. On top of that, it's free to play. And the boost in AI simply made it perfectly viable to play without ever running into a player (In RoT, a player asked what "LFG" means)

Add to that what an average person is like, and realize that half of population is worse than that.

And there you have it. The wonderful GW community.

Bowstring Badass

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Character selection screen figuring what I want to play...

Purple Lingerie - :D

25 Dec 2006 at 02:24 - 39

I can be ignorant and rude only when noobs say "where is the merchant!!??" seriously if they would just press alt and walk around this wouldn't happen (for me at least).

Skye Marin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2006

The Seraphim Knights [TSK]

E/A

25 Dec 2006 at 02:47 - 40

People are creatures of habit. If individuals find they can do something underhanded and rude to get what they want faster, and then get away with it, you'll find they'll do it more often.

Some people are impossible to please. In many situations, say, an argument breaks out in a district, the best thing you can do is just ignore it, zone out, and get on with your day.

Don't let anyone take up space in your head, unless they earn it.