Ectos need to be reviewed

Malice Black

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02 Jan 2007 at 03:48 - 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anphobia
Couldn't Anet just allow players to carry 200k on them as apposed to 100k, that way ecto's would become less needed and the price would surely drop in time without any disastrous economistic effects.
The phrase "don't fix something that isn't broken" applies here.

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02 Jan 2007 at 03:50 - 42
NO


I want ectos back to 25k each. only way to make money. Damn people as if things werent easy enough to get for those that are lazy to actually go out and get stuff.

Stormcloud

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02 Jan 2007 at 03:51 - 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Admins Bane
The phrase "don't fix something that isn't broken" applies here.


I was thinking.....


WTS "insert high end weapon here" 200k + XX ecto

Akhilleus

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02 Jan 2007 at 04:05 - 44
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drop of Fear
price of ectos is this high because ebayers buy them as a mean to obtain the weapon they meant to spend their ebay gold for.
this shows exactly how little you know about GW.
this is a rather bad idea...
for one, why create platinum bars when they could just increase the storage limit?
secondly, guildwars has a market economy. to think that including platinum bars would deliver a set price to ectos, is ludicrous.
yes, it would lower their value, at least initially. but because they'd no longer be as heavily used, they would consequently DUN DUN DUN, not be as heavily farmed, thus putting their prices right back up to (for example) the steady 6-8k range we saw through all of nightfall, as well as increasing the difficulty in which you could aquire them routinely.
and thus, your (keyword YOUR) motivation for the change in the first place, would most likely backfire on you.
dont believe me? before people were regularly using ecto as trade moderation items (back in june and whatnot, when many people resorted to pain-in-the-ass methods of finishing trades in excess of 100k, and back when it took 2 weeks to find enough ectos to get an FoW set) their price was a steady 7-9k; right where it is now.
please, think before you type.

Orphan Anthem

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02 Jan 2007 at 04:16 - 45
Anyone else remember 3-5k ectos? I sure do. what happened? price went back up

VanDamselx

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02 Jan 2007 at 04:20 - 46
Quote:
Originally Posted by xiaotsu
Eh, don't be so sure of that. Let's look into the real world for a comparison(yes, I know, the real world is not GW, same concept though).

Look at gas prices, the companies set those prices, we're all angry about it, they just keep going up and up. Let's see, we, the buyers, didn't set those prices.

Now look at ectos, let's say you see 12 people selling ectos for 8k each. Offer all 12 people 7.5k each and they're going to laugh at you because they know they can get 8k. Gg, yet again the sellers set the standard.

That wasn't my point, though. What I was getting at was that if Anet set the prices for ectos they would screw up the player-made economy, whether it's the sellers or the buyers deciding the prices doesn't matter.
Actually, we do set the prices. It's just that people kept buying and OPEC saw people will still pay for gas even when the prices are ridiculously high. People didn't opt to carpool or boycott gas on a national scale, we did not hurt OPEC's sales or any refineries here. Gas is not a good example of this. Buyers and sellers both work on it equally. If they're going for 8k at the trader, a buyer will not purchase an ecto for 8k from a seller. A buy may ask for 6.5k and a seller may refuse to sell that low. Ectos will go down the day people think they are worthless, which will likely never happen. (remember how it was before Factions?)

Malice Black

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02 Jan 2007 at 04:29 - 47
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormcloud
I was thinking.....


WTS "insert high end weapon here" 200k + XX ecto
What is the point? it only lower the number of ecto needed in a trade by a small percentage..overall the high-end people would still carry the same amount of ecto so it would solve nothing.

Blackhawk

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02 Jan 2007 at 04:48 - 48
Have to admit this idea scores highly on the Crapometer...

@The Admins Bane, I take it from your signature/footnote that Kurt's latest venture backfired slightly

Stormcloud

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02 Jan 2007 at 04:50 - 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Admins Bane
What is the point? it only lower the number of ecto needed in a trade by a small percentage..overall the high-end people would still carry the same amount of ecto so it would solve nothing.



I was trying to quote the quote in your post:


" Couldn't Anet just allow players to carry 200k on them as apposed to 100k, that way ecto's would become less needed and the price would surely drop in time without any disastrous economistic effects."



I was merely saying increasing the limit to 200k wouldnt remove ecto from the system.

VanDamselx

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02 Jan 2007 at 04:53 - 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by xiaotsu
Eh, don't be so sure of that. Let's look into the real world for a comparison(yes, I know, the real world is not GW, same concept though).

Look at gas prices, the companies set those prices, we're all angry about it, they just keep going up and up. Let's see, we, the buyers, didn't set those prices.

Now look at ectos, let's say you see 12 people selling ectos for 8k each. Offer all 12 people 7.5k each and they're going to laugh at you because they know they can get 8k. Gg, yet again the sellers set the standard.

That wasn't my point, though. What I was getting at was that if Anet set the prices for ectos they would screw up the player-made economy, whether it's the sellers or the buyers deciding the prices doesn't matter.
Actually, we do set the prices. It's just that people kept buying and OPEC saw people will still pay for gas even when the prices are ridiculously high. People didn't opt to carpool or boycott gas on a national scale, we did not hurt OPEC's sales or any refineries here. Gas is not a good example of this. Buyers and sellers both work on it equally. If they're going for 8k at the trader, a buyer will not purchase an ecto for 8k from a seller. A buy may ask for 6.5k and a seller may refuse to sell that low. Ectos will go down the day people think they are worthless, which will likely never happen. (remember how it was before Factions?)

Matsumi

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02 Jan 2007 at 05:27 - 51
How about this... if they just nuke FoW and UW, then have melandru and lyssa take over. Start fresh, remove ectos, shards, and FoW armor from the game. It's not a good alternative to currency anyway. New system comes in with the 2 new elite areas, except having no rare material drops or armors secluded to those areas. Amount of platinum able to be carried by characters decreased to 50k. Maximum amount able to fit in storage, 500k. Alternate currency = optional, ectos = worth nothing.

Sounds good to me.

Malice Black

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02 Jan 2007 at 18:07 - 52
So your saying that all the ecto people have grinded hard for should be deleted? hmmm I hope you have somewhere to hide.

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02 Jan 2007 at 18:30 - 53
Quote:
Originally Posted by leprekan
Stick around guru spawns at least one like this everyday.

Anet can't touch ecto anyway it would really fubar the economy when the stampede to sell off happened.

QFT. If there was ever even an inkling that A Net might jigger the ecto prices in a bad way there would be a huge sell off overnight, causing the price to plummet and generally leading to a drastic economic imbalance. I don't see why people get worked up over the economy anyway. Unless you're in a perfect communist system there will always be the super rich, the super poor and then everyone in the middle. That's the way it works in the real world and that's how it works here. Jiggering prices will not help things! Jiggering the way items are handled at merchants and service providers will not help! The only way you'll see a drastic change will be if everyone suddenly stops charging high prices for things like ecto and rare skins. In order for that to happen you have to have a large supply and well these things are rare.

The economy is fine. The way things work is fine. The simple fact of the matter is that people have to accept that things are in fact functioning normally and move on to figuring out how to work within the system to get what they want.

eudas

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02 Jan 2007 at 20:09 - 54
Quote:
Originally Posted by Str0b0
The simple fact of the matter is that people have to accept that things are in fact functioning normally and move on to figuring out how to work within the system to get what they want.
Now that's just crazy talk!

eudas

Anghardel

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02 Jan 2007 at 20:33 - 55
I remember when I started playing Guild Wars, about 16-17 months ago. When I first looked at the Rare Materials and Dye trader in Ascalon after going post-searing for the first time the price of Globs of Ectoplasm and Black dye were around 16-18k per unit.

Over time things have settled, and nowadays the price of Globs of Ectoplasm has settled around 8-9.5k, with the average price being about 8.5k at any given time - meaning that you can purchase Globs of Ectoplasm at around 7.5k from those selling in Lion's Arch, Temple of Ages, etc.

I wouldn't say that the storage and useage of Ectoplasm in place of gold is a bad means of exchanging currency. With the way that Ectoplasm now hovers in this 1.5k price gap between high and low days you aren't really losing any money today that you spent yesterday, or making a heap of money tomorrow on what you bought cheaply today.

When Nightfall came out I was certain that Globs of Ectoplasm would not necessarily sky-rocket, but at least bump themselves up by a semi-considerable amount. I never saw such a fluctuation. The Guild Wars community simply transitioned into a new installment of the game.

The idea being tossed around this thread to justify the cost of FoW armor - in globs of ectoplasm, as nobody seems to have much of an issue with shards - isn't really all that amazing either. The task of acquiring the ectoplasm necessary for a piece, or even a set of FoW armor, is not that daunting. Many classes can solo-farm the Underworld these days. Yes, it's still an amazingly expensive process to purchase FoW armor, but if you want to acquire the materials through farming and not purchasing you don't have to waste much time at all. I used the skills I had purchased and capped on my Ritualist to solo-farm my FoW headpiece in two days, and after purchasing it I still have enough ecto left over to craft my boots if I choose, or to put me well on my way to grabbing the chest-piece.

My point in this: Ecto doesn't really need to be reviewed. It has two main uses and serves those points very well, without fluctuating so much that you benefit or find yourself screwed over too much. I haven't seen an extremely upsetting or uplifting experience involving the monetary value of Globs of Ectoplasm in some time.

Sir Skullcrasher

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02 Jan 2007 at 20:41 - 56
I think the ectos price is not as bad as before.

Malice Black

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02 Jan 2007 at 20:51 - 57
the 20k+ days were interesting lol

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02 Jan 2007 at 20:53 - 58
OR MAKE SIGILS WORTH 100k AGAIN NOOOOBS.

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02 Jan 2007 at 21:03 - 59
The fact that we need to use ecto for currency is going to need to be dealt with. Ectos exist solely for people to get FoW armor with. Their a rare drop, so it's fairly expensive. But that was only because people needed them to get FoW armor. We are now in the 3rd chapter, and FoW armor is becoming less and less desirable because of it's age and the factt that we have 2 more campaigns filled with fresh new armor. We have another chapter coming out in a few months, and FoW will become even less desirable.

So when the demand for ectos goes further down, how can they be used for currency when noone will want to buy your ectos from you? I had a stack of 25 ectos that I had a very difficult time selling in LA, Kaineng and Kamadan. It's very clear to me that FoW armor is going way down in popularity. And that's when it hit me how ridiculous it is that we have to use them for currency. How can an item be used as currency when noone wants it?

Is it impossible to raise how much money we can hold? I dont see how hat storage and a party window is more important than this.

Akhilleus

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02 Jan 2007 at 21:15 - 60
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cygnus_Zero
The fact that we need to use ecto for currency is going to need to be dealt with. Ectos exist solely for people to get FoW armor with. Their a rare drop, so it's fairly expensive. But that was only because people needed them to get FoW armor. We are now in the 3rd chapter, and FoW armor is becoming less and less desirable because of it's age and the factt that we have 2 more campaigns filled with fresh new armor. We have another chapter coming out in a few months, and FoW will become even less desirable.

So when the demand for ectos goes further down, how can they be used for currency when noone will want to buy your ectos from you? I had a stack of 25 ectos that I had a very difficult time selling in LA, Kaineng and Kamadan. It's very clear to me that FoW armor is going way down in popularity. And that's when it hit me how ridiculous it is that we have to use them for currency. How can an item be used as currency when noone wants it?

Is it impossible to raise how much money we can hold? I dont see how hat storage and a party window is more important than this.
when was the last time someone asked you for a wad of 1 dollar bills so they could make a really nice shirt out of them?
answer: unless you know some REALLY jacked up people...probably never.
ecto, like currency, have a minimal (if any) value at all as far as their individual use goes.
what gives them the ability to go down to the local store and buy crap with them then?
simple: the fact that the person you're giving them to knows that they, too, can repeat this process.
the fact that you had a hard time selling ecto was more likely due to the fact that NOTHING is a guaranteed quick sale. certainly, i would expect you to be able to empty 25 ecto fairly quickly (hell, i'd have offered you for em), but not everyone hangs around LA and kamadan. and most of the time ecto are sold in places like ToA and the other UW/FoW entry locations.

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02 Jan 2007 at 21:17 - 61
I love the idea. I don't care about FoW armor, I could buy it on my characters and I choose not to, for looks and especially for the waste of money that can be spent on something worthwhile. I like the idea of having something I can store like money to be able to have more than 1mil in inventory, and/or for trading purposes (but since nothing in the game is worth more than 100K, I rarely use ecto's for that).

And as for things working normally, so what? Just because something is working normally, doesn't mean a good idea can't be implemented to make things work better. Yes, no idea is going to work for all people. It deserves consideration regardless. IF it were to mess up anything on the ecto side, of course, that would have to be taken into consideration (economy-wise).

Anghardel

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02 Jan 2007 at 21:42 - 62
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cygnus_Zero
The fact that we need to use ecto for currency is going to need to be dealt with. Ectos exist solely for people to get FoW armor with. Their a rare drop, so it's fairly expensive. But that was only because people needed them to get FoW armor. We are now in the 3rd chapter, and FoW armor is becoming less and less desirable because of it's age and the factt that we have 2 more campaigns filled with fresh new armor. We have another chapter coming out in a few months, and FoW will become even less desirable.

So when the demand for ectos goes further down, how can they be used for currency when noone will want to buy your ectos from you? I had a stack of 25 ectos that I had a very difficult time selling in LA, Kaineng and Kamadan. It's very clear to me that FoW armor is going way down in popularity. And that's when it hit me how ridiculous it is that we have to use them for currency. How can an item be used as currency when noone wants it?

Is it impossible to raise how much money we can hold? I dont see how hat storage and a party window is more important than this.
To be honest, I'm very surprised that you couldn't move 25 ecto. These days I can't hold on to ecto for more than 5 minutes when I head out to advertise as a seller.

The ease of sale for any items in-game depends entirely on where you attempt to move them. Going on your impression I would say that Fissure of Woe armor is going out of style. Step into Temple of Ages, American district 1 for a few moments when America has favor and the impression you get is about as far from it as possible. Half of the channel is trade and local spam for selling and buying ectoplasm. Many people are still buying in bulk.

The idea of a set monetary unit - like the bars someone suggested earlier in this thread - is not a bad one. However, the power of the Ecto (eg. "power of the dollar") is far from wasted. Look over prices anywhere on the Ventari's Sell forums and what is over 100k is counted as Globs of Ectoplasm.

Globs of ecto have not undergone a huge jump or fall in prices in a long time. It took them a little over a year to drop from the 16-18k+ prices I saw when first purchasing the game to the 8-9.5k prices that you see now. For this reason alone they are not yet a poor means of exchange when purchasing items breaking the 100k limit. I'm thinking, though I'm not sure, that Anet instituted something to control this. Of course, that's my own speculation.

When Nightfall came out, White Dye was introduced. The first day I purchased Nightfall - about three weeks after the initial release, it was about 12k. Two or three days after this point, it was 7k. A week later it fell to about 6, where it has hovered since (around 5.5-6k or so, generally). During this time, Ectoplasm stayed the very same, within it's 8-9.5k (9.5k being on the rare side now) up and down limit.

Another example of the current dependability of the Ecto.

I don't take the "If it's not broke, don't fix it" mentality on everything, but it seems as though this particular institution - yes, I consider it an institution - is currently working at such efficiency that there is no reason to employ anything new.

As a small final note, I do wish that Anet would allow a player to carry more than 100k on his or her person in-game. But given that restriction, the system as it is today is still very reasonable.

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02 Jan 2007 at 22:50 - 63
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cygnus_Zero
The fact that we need to use ecto for currency is going to need to be dealt with. Ectos exist solely for people to get FoW armor with. Their a rare drop, so it's fairly expensive. But that was only because people needed them to get FoW armor. We are now in the 3rd chapter, and FoW armor is becoming less and less desirable because of it's age and the factt that we have 2 more campaigns filled with fresh new armor. We have another chapter coming out in a few months, and FoW will become even less desirable.

So when the demand for ectos goes further down, how can they be used for currency when noone will want to buy your ectos from you?
I disagree with this. People will always want FoW because of the high price. 15k armor is so easy to get that pretty much any player who wants it already has it.

Ectos will always be in high demand because there aren't several hundred thousand other players in FoW armor, but there definitely will be hundred of thousands of other players wearing the exact same new "15k" armor as you. Thus keeping demand for Ecto high forever among everyone who doesn't wanna look like a clone of hundred of thousands of other people.

Str0b0

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02 Jan 2007 at 23:15 - 64
Honestly anyone complaining about ecto use as currency should take a look at a game like Diablo 2 where the gold was worthless and the economy was entirely item based, mostly duped items at that too. Guild Wars is nowhere near approaching that crisis level of economic disaster.

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02 Jan 2007 at 23:15 - 65
Ecto is real money, it should be back to ~15k. :P

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02 Jan 2007 at 23:24 - 66
I think it's funny that every time there is a thread involving money there are 50 posts of people saying "omg, you can't get 2 million, I get that in like an hour you noob"

nightwatchman

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03 Jan 2007 at 01:13 - 67
I think if anything that Ecto's should be selling for more. When I was going for my fissure armor (don't care if its ugly, its expensive so i want it), after farming about half the ectos in UW, I found it quicker to farm vermin and buy the ectos in ToA.

That just didn't seem right somehow.

Gregslot

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03 Jan 2007 at 02:23 - 68
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Admins Bane
So your saying that all the ecto people have grinded hard for should be deleted? hmmm I hope you have somewhere to hide.
Dude, wtf is your problem?
Woman kicked you out from the house?
Chill! ¬¬
Stop acting like a smartass and give us a solution.

First they have to put and end to solo, dual, triple and 5 man farm. Then they should increase the number of ectos per run so that it would decrease its price.

I dont know why they are taking so long tho.

Edit: Obsidian is the coolest armor in the game for all professions, except for assassin in my opinion, it just kicks ass. The ritualist's armor is so amazing, the paragon's is just breath taking, and the elementalist's is just so... so powerful! O.o

Akhilleus

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03 Jan 2007 at 04:50 - 69
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregslot
Edit: Obsidian is the coolest armor in the game for all professions, except for assassin in my opinion, it just kicks ass. The ritualist's armor is so amazing, the paragon's is just breath taking, and the elementalist's is just so... so powerful! O.o
which is precicely why the price for it is high (even though its desireability as far as looks goes is subjective). but you're asking anet to manually lower the price of ecto, just because you think its too expensive, which i cannot explain to you how wrong and selfish that is.
if you think FoW is too expensive; simple solution: don't get it.
but you cannot expect people to sacrifice the economy because you're too cheap.
besides; ecto prices flucuate; they've been at 4k, 6k, 9k, 15k, etc...their prices have been low, and they've been high. if you think they're too expensive either dont get FoW, farm more money, or wait till they get cheaper. if you are unwilling to do one of the previous three suggestions then it just proves that you want this enacted for your own conveniance, and not for the point of economic well-being, in which case it could not be a more poorly founded idea.

manitoba1073

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03 Jan 2007 at 05:15 - 70
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregslot
Dude, wtf is your problem?
Woman kicked you out from the house?
Chill! ¬¬
Stop acting like a smartass and give us a solution.
Um i think you need to chill some.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregslot
First they have to put and end to solo, dual, triple and 5 man farm. Then they should increase the number of ectos per run so that it would decrease its price.

I dont know why they are taking so long tho.
Why would they remove few of the way to actually enjoy the game afterwards. I think your aggravation with the fact that others enjoy the game differently from you is making problems for yourself. Just so you do realize that other people soloing and that does absolutely nothing to interfer with your gaming experience. Now im not gonna be like some as say that your upset just cause you cant do it or have no friends to do it, Im not like that, but i will warn you alot of people will think that of you when you put stuff in.

Phoenix Ex

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03 Jan 2007 at 06:47 - 71
Pfft....3 months ago while I was posting on the thread about the weapon inscriptions, I said that once the lazy people got the inscriptions, they probably will turn their attention to FoW armor and the likes next...and got a whole bunch of flames about how FoW armor is different and etc.

Guess what? Here's the thread complaining about how FoW is too expensive...I think Akhileus pretty much summed up what I am thinking.

generik

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03 Jan 2007 at 07:05 - 72
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matsumi
How about this... if they just nuke FoW and UW, then have melandru and lyssa take over. Start fresh, remove ectos, shards, and FoW armor from the game. It's not a good alternative to currency anyway. New system comes in with the 2 new elite areas, except having no rare material drops or armors secluded to those areas. Amount of platinum able to be carried by characters decreased to 50k. Maximum amount able to fit in storage, 500k. Alternate currency = optional, ectos = worth nothing.

Sounds good to me.
Throw content away?

Sounds like somebody is just jealous. I have never once used ecto to pay for anything, and that is not to say I don't have any either, I have 120+ in my stash and 200 gems; certainly not in shortage of money.

What the hell is your problem?

Akhilleus

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03 Jan 2007 at 08:24 - 73
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenix Ex
Pfft....3 months ago while I was posting on the thread about the weapon inscriptions, I said that once the lazy people got the inscriptions, they probably will turn their attention to FoW armor and the likes next...and got a whole bunch of flames about how FoW armor is different and etc.

Guess what? Here's the thread complaining about how FoW is too expensive...I think Akhileus pretty much summed up what I am thinking.
i was also the number 1 anti-inscription advocate (granted, i suggested a happy medium was the solution anet arrived upon, but regardless, "if you allow one transgression you encourage the commission of many.")

Matsumi

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03 Jan 2007 at 08:28 - 74
Quote:
Originally Posted by generik
Throw content away?

Sounds like somebody is just jealous. I have never once used ecto to pay for anything, and that is not to say I don't have any either, I have 120+ in my stash and 200 gems; certainly not in shortage of money.

What the hell is your problem?
Sure, why not? Has nothing to do with jealousy really, just throwing out some random ideas. Sometimes, better solutions are formed with more ideas and suggestions floating around. Instead of "OMG this sux!" or "You're just jealous of me, har har..."

Besides, I would really like to see 2 new areas. Like maybe a dwayna's realm, or something from melandru or whatever. Maybe instead of getting rid of ectos, introduce a new rare material like globs of... uh... torment or something. I guess the money decrease thing is super touchy though, so nevermind. I still think it would be interesting though.

sixdartbart

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03 Jan 2007 at 08:48 - 75
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gregslot
First they have to put and end to solo, dual, triple and 5 man farm. Then they should increase the number of ectos per run so that it would decrease its price.
You should really pick one position and stick with it.

If they put and end to solo,dual,blah blah blah there would be far fewer ectos around and the prices would rise.

If they raised the drop rates after ending solo,dual the levels of ecto wouldn't increase based on the fact that you would have 6 or 8 players sharing these increased drops in a single instance of uw where as they could have been soloing and getting all of the drops in 6 or 8 different instances of uw.

But you seem to believe that it would lower ecto prices and assuming that it would, which do you want higher or lower prices.

Now besides merely saying "they have to put an end to soloing" why don't you stop acting like a smart ass and give us a solution.

Akhilleus; I was there with you on the anti inscriptions and if a few of us hadn't pointed out the huge downsides to what was being throw out there by these self interested people Anet could have easily done what they were ranting in favor of and destroyed any type of a weapons market and at the same time removed the need for ectos which it appears would have made these same people very happy for about a week.

Mairiiv

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2006

Nulled[void]

03 Jan 2007 at 09:37 - 76
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matsumi
Maybe instead of getting rid of ectos, introduce a new rare material like globs of... uh... torment or something.
Why do you think that the price of gems went up? Suddenly you get more gems but people want it more.

The price of ecto is based on supply and demand, if you fiddle in any way with the ecto that has been mentioned in this thread the supply will rise for a short period, then as less ppl starts to farm them as it's worth more to farm something else in your time the prices will creep up to the level that they are at the moment....

Leave ecto alone...for you guys that want to know I've got 15 ecto so whatever happens ain't gonna impact me much regarding my ectos but the change in the economy is probably going to ruin me

Just think you wanna sell something for 100k + xx 'globs of torment' (using your example) but another person just have diamonds to trade with you, and you wanna buy something else from another person who just want to accept ectos. Do you see where this is going?

Inari

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

Israel

03 Jan 2007 at 09:49 - 77
If FOW armor was meant to be hard to get, than make it hard to get, not expansive to get.

One way I can think about it is that they make the fissure area have elite mission kinda zone. Maybe like with Mallyx. From what I understand it takes ages to complete all the quests and than actually kill the thing. Just a thought.

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

03 Jan 2007 at 09:59 - 78
Nice idea with using 10k platinum stacks.

Except....

...its a bad idea.

People use ectos as currency to get around the 100k cap on storing gold. Granted you can have around 10,00k if all your characters hold gold, but still.

Its a cap which we need in order to try and cut down on oober rich players hording gold and influencing prices ingame.

If we gave people 10k slabs of platinum instead, then it would void the 100k cap and incourage people to actually hord gold. Those who dont have or need ectors, would then have a way store large amounts of gold without needing ecto.

We would see a fast increase in wealth in the game. Which is not a good thing.

More wealth = more buying = higher prices.

The best solution is to put a cap on how many ectos you can store on one character and in storage.

The cap should be the amount needed for one piece of obsideon armor. People couldnt complain because you could still store the amount needed for one piece of armor per character.

People could still store quite a few ectos, regardless of whether they used them for armor or not. But they would be limited accross their entire account.

And obsideon armor isnt hard to get. Its just a case of saving up gold and materials as you would any other armor. It just takes longer and costs more.

leprekan

leprekan

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Posers and Wannabes [nubs]

W/E

03 Jan 2007 at 10:02 - 79
Quote:
Originally Posted by Akhilleus
i was also the number 1 anti-inscription advocate (granted, i suggested a happy medium was the solution anet arrived upon, but regardless, "if you allow one transgression you encourage the commission of many.")
HEY! I was vocal enough to get banned in that thread!!!! Inscriptions are great (note sarcasm) took more than a year for FoW items to bottom out. With inscriptions the new high end area drops went to hell in days!!!!!! GG

Sad part is .. those crying about ecto prices are not adult enough to admit they are just too damn lazy to work for them like the REST OF US DID.

Blackhawk

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/

03 Jan 2007 at 10:26 - 80
Quote:
Originally Posted by leprekan
Sad part is .. those crying about ecto prices are not adult enough to admit they are just too damn lazy to work for them like the REST OF US DID.
Agreed, took me a while to get my FoW set on my Necro and that sense of achievement that those of us who worked hard for it have would be lost.

Guess some people just want things handed to them on a plate....