An idea about Favor/UW/FoW.

Um...not realy the same now is it??
A player learning from Watch their own a$$ to watch the other 3 players, learn from fight 1 team to fight 2, and finaly learn that bashing your enemies to death is not the only thing in battle(but very important )
This is a progress, from RA->TA->HA, a progress in one's team skill(but some people will never learn...just like not everyone in pve know the story ).
Now...is any pve main story locked because of the favor?? Nop, so its not like pve cant progress with out the favor.
How about pve player skills?? well, I doubt it, I been both FOW/UW, and actualy finish all mssions there a few times(guess how long it took to find a team that actualy know all missions and how many "Leetness" I see). FOW/UW might be something during the age of Tyria, but compare to DOA and the 2 elite in faction....its cake walk There is no massive foes wave(unless you go aggro them all) no gayish aspect effects. I realy dont see anyone actualy thinking FOW/UW is more challenging and need more team work then DOA or the deep and urgoz, if anyone who can finish DOA but die at FOW/UW, its most likely because they dont know the place..not because its harder.
So I stand still, most people want to go down there simply because they cant all the time, or they want the lure.
But then again, I never see myself "hardcore" in both pvp or pve, so if I miss something, do tell.

well HA is nothing like AB But ya, pvp is pvp, AB or HA they are both pvp, just in different ways, so if anyone call you a softball because you dont HA...show them the finger
But that is the point of lure right?? Make people do something, even they have not much intrest in it in first place.
Want to win the 3 million, you need to buy that lottery. How many people want the 3 million?? How many people want to buy a piece of paper with few numbers on it, most likely end up in trash But just look at how many people is doing it.

I cant judge your "fun"...what is fun is so different for different people....I find cos-play fun, my friends say its waste of money. Some people find acting "LEET" is fun, not going to judge them(its not a crime to have high self-steam)but not going to support the attitude.

I think the main problem is we have different ideas of what "extra" is. Sure, you don't need the FoW/UW in order to have PvE. But on the other hand, you don't need HA to have PvP.

Of course you have point but it was ridiculous to wait WHOLE MONTH to get the favor so i could buy my first FoW armor... .

Im bored with PVE (again for now), now i play gvg, when i will be bored with gvg probably HA will come again... or maybe i will choose DoA, cause some nerds wanna buy tormented weapons for 2mln gold )) (joke).

It's fine as it is tyvm.

I like the idea of paying Balthazar Faction to get into FoW. Now we just need some Grenth Faction to get into UW, as well as the other 4 god factions and god realms.

The point of these areas is to tie PvP to PvE, maintaining the aspect of GW that both PvP and PvE are somehow interlinked, even if at a very superficial level. While favor isn't perfect, and it should have a way around for those who want to explore, I think players should get some benefit for holding favor, and not just the 50 gold blessings you can buy in explorable areas.

This is the only way that links PvE to PvP, so maybe i should make a thread about how we should have no favor system but be r6+ to enter FoW/UW?

Im sure the majority of people are introduced to the game through PvE so they never bother to even really try PvP, the favor system gives them a reason to afterall im sure guild wars was more aimed at being an elite pvp game.


Btw i play PvE and PvP and wanting to enter UW when Europe had favor as much as Taiwan do now was horrible so i went to Tombs.. Afterall its not like people actually play through UW/FoW very often, its jsut for farmers to be honest.

And if you still cry because you dont have favor when you egt home from school move to Euro servers.

I agree with Silver Star.
Want favor? Fight for it...
Don't want to fight? Quit yapping.
It's as simple as that.

1: Why try to link PvE to PvP at all? Is there a valid reason to do this?

Well, yes. Encouraging PvE players to get into PvP means that players will come back for the new campaigns. More skills and professions opened up means that Pvp players are more dependant on having the newest chapter to remain competitive.

2: Does the Favor system encourage PvE players to PvP?

No. With the rather late addition of "PvP-only" characters into the game, it is no longer necessary to play a PvE character through the game to play in HoH. In other words, they deliberately UNLINKED HoH from normal PvE gameplay.

The original system maintained the link between PvE and PvP characters by forcing PvP characters to play through the PvE game. In this context, favor made sense: the best players, both PvE and PvP, would go on to win favor. Now, however, HoH is almost purely PvP characters, created expressly for PvP.

Solution: remove favor, completely unlinking the PvP and PvE games, or remove the ability to create PvP-only characters, forcing anyone who wants to PvP through the PvE game and strengthening the link between the PvP and PvE games that is supposed to exist.

As it stands, the favor system is half-done. It's a one-way link between PvE and PvP. Either bring back the 2-way street of PvE affecting PvP (by removing PvP-only characters) or break the link entirely by removing favor.

If PvE doesn't affect PvP, then PvP should NOT affect PvE. Simple and direct.

If they really need a link of PvE to PvP, favor is not the way. Imagine a fairly new player coming from the PvE world going to HA to try out PvP. Their first problem would be getting into a group. Since they don't have rank X, almost no one will take them. The groups that do end up taking them would probably be crushed quickly. I would even say that the favor system probably turns more people away from PvP than it brings.

I've had enough. I have had ENOUGH!

I don't care WHICH side has the favor, either way everyone is going to be selfish. Europe has it now, they want to keep it that way and lock the rest of us out because we used to do that to them. Back when we had it, we didnt mind locking Europe out.

Either way we are building up racism. Everyone hogging the favor to themselves when possible. It isnt about helping our own, and each others countries any more. Its pretty much the selfish act of HoHers hoping to get a crystaline sword and have their name displayed. And worse of all, shove that FREAKING tiger in people's faces!

There is no good in this! Whatever can be done to remove the favor requirements, please do it!

This is a coop game with international districts! I'm tired of all the:

Bill: Ey man!
Bob: What?
Bill: I'm from Europe how do I get into the UW?
Bob: ****ing Euro trash, i'm not going to help you ********** favor hogs.

You cant change everyones attitude towards each other, but you can drain the fuel of the fire!

Get rid of the favor UW/FOW!

Its not just the racism, its the farming too!

PvP and Farming go hand in hand! But us explorers, we suffer! Without the favor, everyone just sits around making a farming build, then in their final hours of the night, run a quickie through the UW and come out with two or three ectos.

Us explorers need all day! We cant be starting at 11 at night! UW and FoW are BIG.

Sure there are cool PvPers, but I found, the most PvPers i've met. They are just, mean, disrepectful types. Or they show in the HoH with a dirty guild name. I dont want these people determining what we do!

After all, most of the respectful PvPers are found in the GvGs.

Sure the Americans and Europeans can fight all day, America wants the favor back, Europe saying we suck and shouldnt have the favor because we had it before.

Maybe its about revenge and racism for them, the PvPers and Farmers. But us little guys who like the RPG side of this, we're getting dumped on!

WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?! COME ON!

Just end the war... This is a game, not the government.

Wouldn't it be nice if American's and Europeans could fight along side in the UW, instead of gnaw at each other's throats over it!?

/SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGNED!!!!!!

Yea they did

/Signed

I think it is just wrong to make favor a requirement to enter uw/fow, because they are two of the best PvE zones - whether it be to do a quick farm run when there's no time for anything else, or to explore in depth - and even if the favor was split evenly that wouldn't be enough time for any realm.

Aside from removing the favor requirement, the system right now is broken (yes, I'm American, but even if America had favor all the time I would still say the system is broken. I obviously would not mind as much, but I would still be able to see that the system is broken). It seems to me that the only time America has favor is at night, but not everybody can stay up all night just to enjoy uw/fow, and the only time Taiwan has favor is never (except for about 10 minutes just the other day, lol).

As for making the system more fair, without removing it completely (I love the idea of PvP affecting PvE, and the favor of the gods is cool too), I have a few ideas. Please don't flame *holds breath*

1. Split Europe up by country! ...or language district!
-this is the obvious fix in my eyes, as Europe is the only place that gets to band together. Or at least be consistent and combine Korea and Taiwan to make a realm out of Asia.
-I can see that this is not fair, because the US is much larger than any European country, but then why is Taiwan screwed over?
-Yes, I am aware of the EU, but that isn't the same as a country, and the EU doesn't have one soccer team, so why should they have one GW team? I for one wouldn't feel right being in the same "realm" as somebody who doesn't even speak my language.
@ the Europeans who read this, I'm curious, what do you think of being lumped into the same realm as all other Europeans?

2. Make it so that the realm which holds Halls can't enter the tournament.
-yes, yes, this on its own is a horrible idea, but something along these lines, to give the non-holding realms an advantage would help keep one realm from hogging favor.
-possibly allow teams from the realm that currently holds Halls to enter a parallel tournament, one which does not compete for favor, but still has the same rewards as HA (fame, sigils, golds, balthazar faction, xp w/e else you get from HA) so that they can still do HA, but without the favor-hogging.

3. Make it so that teams from different realms fight on every map (no European three-ways in HoH)
-this has the same problems as idea 2, in that it would lead to long long loooong lines for the Europeans, but it would make HA a more even match, so that one realm can't flood it and thus have much better chances of earning favor.

4. Make a GD /favor command already!!

On a side note, how many Americans play on European servers, and vice versa? I've always wondered, as I've met a few Europeans on American servers. And where do you Aussies usually play? because I've met some on American servers, but not that many.

-Blake


I realize my ideas are not perfect, so please keep that in mind when responding

Yes... thats why i started PVP fights. Cause i wanted favor badly.

Not signed. The fees in the OP are way too expensive and would not be adequate for smite runs which require entering UW again frequently after you first enter.

More importantly, there is no need for any complex ideas to fix Favor. Simply remove Favor, end of story.

Fair enough. It was presumptuous of me to say that favor does NOT encourage people to start on PvP: it obviously does in some cases. What the question was supposed to ask is : does it encourage people playing PvE characters to move those characters into PvP? Most people who play PvP will build a specific character to PvP, one that can be deleted and then recreated in minutes. While there may be SOME attachment to those characters, most people don't invest in any single PvP character like they do into a PvE character. (most- there are surely exceptions there again)

When ANet allowed PvP-only characters, they eliminated the need for PvP players to do ANY PvE-related gaming. Yet favor still forces PvE players to either depend on PvP players, or get involved in it themselves. The current favor system may encourage some people to play more PvP, but...

Honestly, it ALSO encourages flamewars, people bashing Americans when they have favor, people bashing Europe because Europe has favor... It's encouraging bad blood within the community itself, creating divisions and a lot of animosity. For that reason ALONE, favor is a bad idea. Who wants to coem to the fansites, and read daily that America sucks because they can't earn favor, Europe sucks because they're all elitist whatever, Korea sucks because they don't have the great HoH teams.. The flaming, the negativity, the anger, and the general bad feelings that build up do not help Guildwars, ANet, or the community in general. The discontent that it creates does far more hamr than good. It's not a friendly competition to improve, the results and rewards are tangible, and a cutthroat mentality has seized far too many posters here.

Favor isn't a way to get people to like PvP: it's a divisive mechanism that really promotes bad feelings about the game and other players/posters. Replacing it with a tangible but NOT exclusive (meaning- cutting everyone else out of something in-game) benefit- such as a reduced cost for FoW/UW, or reduced prices at all shrines, would encourage a more friendly environment, one where players can actually get TOGETHER and enjoy the game in all aspects: PvP and PvE, without having to exclude anyone from the fun.

Buy 2 Set of Accounts with different Terrority

Anyway, i of my friend quited and loan me his account which is Euro based...

If you dont try GVG/HA fight you will not know how much fun you can get. PVP is kinda different fun, but there is minus also. If you dont have r3-r4 you can now forgot about finding good PUG. Its always like this "X if looking for experienced team. Show me you rank.... OMG you dont have any rank, go away noob"

Favor is flawed and nothing can be said to justify it remaining as it is.

There are many better ways to tie pvp to pve in order to generate some intrest for those that have not tried both.

A pvp style mission, similar to AB, could work. Having the winning team move on to a new city while the losser gets to battle again, lack of people in the city would result in playing vs a hench team but would still convey the idea of pvp to those new to it.

The reverse is also needed as there is currently 0 resson for any pvp player to pve at all. There should be some means to draw pvp players into pve.


In the end there may be only one viable solution. Complete seperation of pvp and pve into two stand alone games. This would eliminate the problem of favor, it would eliminate the problem of nerfing skills for pvp that harm pve play and would allow a greater flexability in both that could not be done currently with out casusing some imbalance between the two.

/not signed.
I'm in North America and I say instead of complaining and making suggestions and execuses to fix the favor system. I say its time for american pvpers to step up and think about builds and stop using the cookie cutter builds they are using.

When you look under your name it says 'location: England'
There is a problem, you just don't see it.
The problem is that access to certain PvE-areas depends on how your region does in PvP. This seems to be fine with everyone because it's been like that from the beginning, but if you think about it it's rediculous. Imagine it the other way around: I know for one that I'd be pretty pissed if I could only play HA/GvG if european farmers killed more aaxte's than the american and korean ones.
'go play another part of the game' or 'go win hoh if you're so pissed about it' are not valid arguments.
Some info on me: I live in Holland (so I always have favor) and I play PvP solely.
I really couldn't care less if America always had favor, but it's not a good thing that someone's experience of the game is so largely influenced by other players.
OMG IT'S KURT THE BENEMOTH 2.0!!11!1one!!1

Humm I must admit I'm not sure if I agree or not. Of course, I think it's not really fair than other countries than Europe ones can't get acess to those 2 excellent areas.
But if you study that case, allowing all to be able to go to fow and uw, I'm not sure on this point but Shards and Ectos' prices would drop incredibly fast, as all players over the world would be able to farm it and then armure fow would have no more value.
Another thing, the two faction elite areas, urgoz and deep are more than restricted, just an alliance can get into it, which is really less than a whole continent (excepting the fact that they can do taxis).

So I would say yeah this system doesn't work anymore, all should have acess. However another thing on favor of gods could be hummm maybe you can get into it free and have a bit more chance to drop/ get better drops.

So just for the idea of putting it accessible to all, /signed (I'm European just look at my country ^^) but I don't totally agree personnaly with your ideas, I'm not really sure on what should happen then.

Now this is a very good idea!!! Iplay PvE and PvP with my PvE char but somehow cant make my guildmembers to play PvP - they are just not interested... I think that this could actually work - and the game would become much more interesting.
Anyway favor is definitely a problem. i feel sorry for those guys who cant get it for days (I'm from Europe so I have no problem) - but the coin could flip and America could have the favor longer than Eurpe again... This is something that must be solved because it has negatve effect on the game I think.
And this idea with Balthazar (it could be more like 3000 - one elite) looks very good to me.

Just my humble opinion.

Laki

Want to stand up and say "BAN ALL SPORT EVENT!!"??
People bad mouth other, because bad mouthing is the only thing they can do as a powerless person who can only stand on the sideline
see I can make pveer look bad just as easy as you can make pvp look like some savage racism worshiping palace but do we need to go on like this??
As much as there are "Leet" in pvp, a lot of pvper respect a good fight, and a good players....pheonix!!! woooo~~~~
They just forget the part "we all have to start from 0"

However, there are also bad blood in the new blood...I got in a few group that demand rank 3+. After everyone show their rank and ask the leader his...guess what
Now, if a new comer can not be humble, does he deserve others respect??
Good thing this isnt usualy the case

Again, players did this, not the system
and again "Players fail the system as much as the system fail us"
and yes, since system is not a living thing, we can bash it all we want
but if the people cant sit down and ask themselve "what did I do wrong??"

No system will ever work for everyone.
and a system only work for a group of people will always be challenged, that is why you are here right??

Well, I was commenting on the flamewars and bitterness on the FORUMS, rather than in-game. I understand that emotions tend to run high in a match, and soem trash-talking has become accepted. however, at no time did I try to make PvP "look like some savage rasicm worshipping palace." In fact, I didn't comment on anything other than the favor system. I admit that I don't PvP, dont' find it fun, but I'm not the entire playerbase. Some people love it, so more power to them. But here's the interesting part: how THEY play affects MY game experience, while they are completely indifferent as to what I manage to accomplish in PvE.

OK... This has what to do with favor, and the link between PvP and PvE? Maybe I'm missing something in your post, but it seems you're defending that fact that ranked PvP players tend to cut out unranked new PvP players. Fine, but the topic of this post was favor, not elitism, racism, PvP vs PvE, or whatever. I didn't really see anything in your post describing why you liked, disliked, or even considered favor.

I dont' care about PvP. I would like it to have as little impact on my gameplay as my PvE has on the PvP matches. I won't discuss the things that happen in PvP, I'm sticking to the topic at hand: favor, and the negativity it's been creating in the game and on the boards. Thanks for flaming me with such a passionate response, though. The (misplaced) anger just serves to prove my point.

Its a big desolate land with lots of Shadow soldiers and uninscribable loot and armor. If you want to explore, better rally a group of 6 people and start killing some Europeans!

This game forces you to participate in both of its aspects to be fully beneficial. Stop looking for ways to sneak out of what was originally one of GW's best ideas.

So you've admitted there's a problem. It doesn't matter where the fault lies; I personally believe it's a combination of both. However, the fact still remains that there is a problem and it needs a fix, whatever it may be.

Not really: You can play PvP only, never touch PvE, and with unlock packs, still be a competitive PvP player, with access limited only by your skill. That's YOUR skill, and that of your teammates. Not some random player on a map halfway across the game-world who isn't interacting with you at all.

Again, the ORIGINAL system you love so much did NOT include PvP-only characters. Should we dump them to get back to "one of GW's best ideas." that was "players will play through the PvE campaigns, then move onto PvP with those same characters?"

I'm not seriously suggesting that we remove PvP-only characters. What i'm trying to point out is that the system changed, and that favor is a remnant, and an ugly one at that. They scrapped PART of the system that tied PvE and PvP together: the idea that a PvE character, one that played through the storyline, would be almost necessary in PvP because of the skill unlocks, the high-end armor, and the experience with the game. PvE is NOT PvP, ANet recognized that and split PvP off a bit so that all the PvE elements weren't a requirement for participating in PvP. Now they need to finish the job, remove favor, and eliminate the thing that yokes PvE gameplay to PvP gameplay, as they removed the system that yoked PvP gameplay to PvE play.

Does this idea really fail to penetrate here? If it's not fair to force someone to PvE to have a complete Pvp experience, then the reverse is also true: it's not fair to force people to PvP just to explore all of the PvE content.

This is why we can say that favor is a bad mechanic and a bad system.

Well I feel that favor should be changed somehow because of one simple reason....Threads like these. The OP asked for an intelligent discussion on the subject, but it looks like most of the responses have just been flames. Is favor really hated that much that people are incapable of having a rational discussion on it without descending to "I hate PvP snobs" and "I hate PvE losers"?

In the spirit of trying to achieve "an intelligent discussion", here are some random thoughts from my head.

It's obvious from reading various threads on this site that the majority of the player base hates the favor system as it is now. The 2 reasons given the most are:
1. PvE and PvP should not be tied together.
2. One region constantly hogs favor and it's not fair.

I don't have a perfect solution. I would love to see Gaile Gray respond to one of these "favor sucks" threads and let us know what A-net thinks about the subject and whether or not they have any plans to change it.

Personally, I like the concept of favor. I like having Fow/Uw locked at times. It gives the players something to work for, but I would prefer a system where I could somehow contribute to our region's favor and work towards gaining my access to these areas. Also the favor system should be re-arranged so that players in tiny regions have equal opportunity to win favor.

For starters how about combining Korean, Japan and Taiwan into 1 "Asia" region? That will give them more power.

Next place a PvE goal in the game that influences favor. Something perhaps like whichever team has the high score in Dragon's Throat wins the favor of the gods. Or whichever region has the most scores in the daily top 10 of all the challenge missions wins favor. If this becomes a viable idea then A-net should add more Challenge Missions to Prophecies and Nightfall. (Note: I haven't played much NF. Do challenge missions exist there?)

Well, I was more venting earlier on than anything else. Whenever I see an American complain about the favor system there's a little devil inside me going: "Muhaha, payback time for all those months America had favor all the time !". I don't know why that happens

In truth I do believe that the favor system is flawed, however I don't think the OP's ideas are the way to do it. When Europe hardly ever had favor I always wondered if Americans didn't get bored of having it all the time, now that we have it all the time I can assure you the answer is yes (if you aren't intrested in farming UW and FoW all the time). I almost liked it better when we never had favor because it made it more special when we did have it, and it was fun exploring UW or FoW when we got the chance. But if you have favor all the time it gets boring and people just farm those places to death and it really isn't that intresting anymore. The only real reason to request the favor change is because you want to farm those places.

I think Taiwan, Korea and Japan have their own favor system now, seeing as I can only choose between American and European servers now, while before I could also switch to Korean.

Gaile has responded to the issue (I'm not quite sure when or where, I think it's in one of her ingame logs) where she says the same as the Europeans have been saying. America had the favor at the beginning of the game and Europeans where complaining about the favor change all of the time but the only response was to get better at HoH and now they say the same to the Americans. That's about the gist of it atleast, I'm not making this up it really is in one or several of the Dev logs. So there probably won't be a change.

Dark Kal, I almost agreed with you until you said the only reason that anyone wants access to UW/FoW is so they can farm ecto and shards. You simply could not be more wrong.

While it's true that there are people who simply want to farm, guess what? The hardcore farmers most likely don't have a problem with simply switching to whatever region has favor so they can keep on doing their thing.

The favor system is bothering people like me, who have never even been inside the Underworld or the Fissure of Woe. The closest I've ever been is the Tomb of Primeval Kings.

That said, deep down inside, we all know the favor system is never going to change. It seems to me that ANet feels any favor problems are completely in the minds/attitudes of the gamers; the favor system itself is perfect.

And I agree -- when it was necessary to create a PvE character in order to PvP, there was probably a lot more desire to gain (and hold) favor because you had been through the PvE experience. Nowadays, PvP people don't care about PvE. As long as the system dictated that everyone involved in Heroes' Ascent had an interest because they could reap the benefits, then it made sense. Now, PvP players don't have any interest in what goes on in the PvE world; as a matter of fact, they shouldn't. ANet made it clear that they shouldn't have to when they made it possible to create PvP-only characters.

It comes down to the fact that I don't want to be forced to PvP in order to be able to wring every last drop from my PvE experience. Unfortunately for me and the (apparent) legions of people who feel the same way, this was one of the primary selling points of Prophecies. PvP is integral to the PvE experience, while the opposite is not the case. ANet designed the game this way from the very beginning, they want it this way, they like it this way, and they're never going to change.

As far as anyone is concerned, that's the last word on the subject: you don't like it? Too bad.

Favor is broken, always has been and always will be in it's current format.

The best fix for it, remove it entirely.

There is no reason, I and so many others, should be "encouraged" to play in a way we don't enjoy. I would like to get a guuild group and clear the UW and FoW and complete all the quests associated there. But having to wait for Favor, and then most of the guild have logged off, because of work or school the following day, there is not enough time to explore and play.

Fun for us, isn't it?

Sorry but that is the stupidest logic ive ever heard. So basically what you're saying is... the favor system should stay and europe should always have favor because america was winning all the time a few months ago. Doesnt that SUPPORT the idea that something is wrong with favor? 'Cause it sounds like you're bitching about it too...

I'm a european and hate favour req for UW/FoW for one simple reason - International Access.

I have friends on the American server I can play with through any other content, but not UW/FoW without extreme measures (fighting to grenths statue in Lornar's pass - which takes ages from Rankor or War camp)

I've won a place at the NCSoft European winter party (yay!) And will be sure to mention it then

One of the best ideas ?
Anet doesnt even believe that, or they wouldnt sell PvP only paks?
So, judging from your logic, Anet has allready snuk out of their 'great idea', but its not fair for PvE'rs to want to do the same,by abolishing a stupid idea, that should go the way of the dodo.
I mean really what does it encourage buta LOT of acct. hoppping and endless arguments on fansites, and for what ?
To encourage PvE'rs to PVP. Fine remove the PvP packs if that is the case, it should be a completley level playing field and it isnt.
They make it much easier for PvP'rs to attain anything in the game, weapons, mods, skills, I mean elites come on, that is what the PvE'rs have to fight for.
And I am fine with that, the PvP paks, and the elite system as is, but remove the stupid favor system, the company themsleves have all ready lost faith in it, they have never tried to tie anything else to it, just two areas I have been in 100's of times, so its not like I want favor removed so I can get in, we have it all the time when I play, I can go anytime.
It's simply a poor idea that has had its day in the sun, and now is sinking into despair. they tried, time to admit defeat.

Anet has made many moves away from tying the two games together yet they continue to shove favor in the face of PvE'rs, give it up, they do not want to PvP and trying to lure them to it with a bad idea like favor, has been proven not too work. People that want to play the PvP game will, people that dont wont. Simple. Why try and complicate it.

I've seen something similar to this in other forums/threads, and I'll give the same answer. Having "favor" of the gods is a privilege, not a right. Not everyone has the privilege to access it. Funny it's how the Americans that complain about having only late night favor and not the Japanese or the Taiwanese who have favor once a month. Though some solutions are better than others, I think the original intent of the makers is to make uw/fow a privileged place and not just make it any old PvE area that any ascended person can access.

And I could very well make a thread saying the solution to the problem is to make uw/fow access free for all, and I'm sure 90% of the forum posters would /sign my proposal. That doesn't say very much.

True, it is a privilege. But don't make the privilege of player x dependent upon player y who couldn't care less if they win the privilege for player x.

I put forth about 18 months ago that access from ToA should be when ever Favor is held by that region, but access from Lornar's Pass and The Falls (have to find some way to make the entrance there into 8 members) open all the time. Whether your region has Favor or not.

Therefore, if you want in bad enough, you go to the alternate entrances, pay you 1k and you're in the UW or FoW. If you fail, you end up back in the Temple that you entered from. Pay to get rid of your DP, and then re-enter if you wish.

I imagine most players in general (not just forumgoers) who are aware of FoW/UW would be in favor of a system that let them access the high-end content as long as they were able to pay the 1K fee.

That doesn't necessarily mean that it's the right or wrong decision; I would, however, be willing to bet that most people would be in favor of going to UW/FoW whenever they feel like it.

To be honest, I'd like to hear the justification for why PvE is still linked to PvP while PvP isn't linked to PvE. Not because I want to start trouble or anything like that; but it's been my experience that there's no shortage of this type of thread. In the face of this, I'm curious as to why ANet is ignoring us.

An explanation is all I want, really. I mean, I'm not likely to agree with what they say, but I'd like to know what the justification was/is for keeping us leashed to PvP like this.

I am an european member in an international guild. Our main problem is that we can not make guild parties with both american and european players.

We once tried the temple north of Dreadnaughts Drift, but America lost favor before we got in so no luck there either (it is only open for mixed parties when US have favour).

We are a relaxed guild that really like those long FoW/UW clearout trips. 5-7 hours of fun. Real pity mostly we europeans get to do them, and never in joint international cooperation.


Regards,
Cloudbunny

/NOT SIGNED

This is going to sound harsh but the way i look at it...Europe has favour more often, its a fact of life. Life isnt easy, so sit down and suck it up, and feel free to rant until you little head is all red and swollen.

Remeber this, you want something you gota work for it. Remember, like others have said time and time again, favour is a PRIVELAGE not a RIGHT, you want favour? Go ahead and work hard like us European players do.

Sorry if that post was discriminating but francly its the truth, and sometimes the truth hurts buddy.