Europe and the favor wars
Mesmer in Need
Ok firt i want to point out that im american and i play on american servers, and i am in no way tring to flame. But i realise, like most other pve'ers that we can rarely go ito the fow/uw because europe always haz favor. now that brings me to the queston how. is europe just better than us? do they use different builds/ strats? or is it just a matter the they are just better/ were not as good? can somebody give me insight into this?
Gonzo
There are more europeans in HA would be my best bet.
artay
In my experiences, europeans have been more focused in HA, They also have less "Leeroys". That said, I wonder if it has to do with cultural differences.
Puddingbroodje
about 4, 5 months aggo this was the same issue for europeans when america and korea had more favor then us.
and same as above: i guess there are more europeans in HA.
and same as above: i guess there are more europeans in HA.
TheEPIC
I'm willing to bet that HA is just more popular to europeans than to americans.
Makkert
Like Puddingbroodje said, a couple of months back America held favor for most of the day. Now the tables have turned.
The reason? Nobody really knows.
It could be that many Europeans went back to European server (there was quite a stream to US servers in the past).
It could be that US players moved to GvG.
It could be that EU players simply play more HA.
One also can notice the large amount of European guils on the GvG ladder. Maybe Euro's play more PvP.
Whatever the reason, I wouldn't look at it that the Euro's have 'superior strategy'. That's bs.
The reason? Nobody really knows.
It could be that many Europeans went back to European server (there was quite a stream to US servers in the past).
It could be that US players moved to GvG.
It could be that EU players simply play more HA.
One also can notice the large amount of European guils on the GvG ladder. Maybe Euro's play more PvP.
Whatever the reason, I wouldn't look at it that the Euro's have 'superior strategy'. That's bs.
VitisVinifera
I dont care what the reason is. But to have pve access to uw/fow for minutes out of the day, is total bs.
I know this has been talked about ad nauseum, but anerf has still not wised up that whichever way the pvp wind blows should not restrict access to certain pve areas.
for real.......wth?
I know this has been talked about ad nauseum, but anerf has still not wised up that whichever way the pvp wind blows should not restrict access to certain pve areas.
for real.......wth?
LordFFM
Europe only has more HA players...
Cebe
We don't have it all the time...I think Taiwan won it for a short while the other day... XD
Skuld
Indeed, for like 10 mins, poor guys :P
Omnidragon42
America has favor all night, every night. Play late and you're all set 
Deleet
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Europe only has more HA players...
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RTSFirebat
Ok this thread is just falling into off-topic randomness. Can we stick on topic? 
Deleet
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Ok this thread is just falling into off-topic randomness. Can we stick on topic?
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The whole favor idea is stupid, but I guess it forces some stubborn PvEers to lay PvP. Fresh fish.
Arcane De Farad
Let us continue disscussion here...
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10103440
admin pls close thread.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10103440
admin pls close thread.
MrTickle
Even Korea gets more favor than america
That must suck.
That must suck.
JoshHarrison
Hello, I am from Europe - England, (currently in school).
It seems to me like people think that not that many American's play HA compared with Europeans, I do not really see how this works, I usually play International District HA and 4/6 people on my team are usually American, I do not know how many servers are open in American HA but in Europe there Most are empty usually I see 2 English and 3 or 4 German.
It seems to me like people think that not that many American's play HA compared with Europeans, I do not really see how this works, I usually play International District HA and 4/6 people on my team are usually American, I do not know how many servers are open in American HA but in Europe there Most are empty usually I see 2 English and 3 or 4 German.
winkgood
I'd guess that there are more pvp players on European servers if not more players in general. There also seems to be far less European "kiddies" playing and far more of the 18-30 age range. Age does make a difference too. When you play with adults you have more dedicated, better players, and people who don't leave to go eat dinner in the middle of a HA run.
Another possibility is that a lot of Americans play with Europeans. I've been in European pug teams that had me and another American in them. Lots of players play with players from other servers. I know this is true with GvG. My guild is American but close to half of our main players are in Europe. I also know plenty of Euro guilds that have American players.
Another possibility is that a lot of Americans play with Europeans. I've been in European pug teams that had me and another American in them. Lots of players play with players from other servers. I know this is true with GvG. My guild is American but close to half of our main players are in Europe. I also know plenty of Euro guilds that have American players.
Anghardel
It's already been mentioned that we don't exactly know why Europe is suddenly dominating the Hall of Heroes, key to enjoying the spoils of the Fissure of Woe and Underworld areas, but from my perspective, it really boils down to a much larger pool of players.
When I do enter Hero's Ascent I almost always find as many players in the International Districts as I do the American Districts. When I join PUGs, a good 7 times out of 10 it turns out to be a primarily European Team, since I go to International to find groups more often than I stick around in the American Servers.
Think about how large Europe is; the European servers encompass an arse of countries - I believe there is an English, Italian, French, German (perhaps), and one or two other servers (It's been a LOOOOONG time since I peeked into the European Servers) - so it makes sense that the player base may possibly be larger (to truly determine this we'd have to refer to census data for the whole of Western Europe vs. the US).
I am very much a PvE player, but enjoy wandering into PvP areas - which I've become very decently skilled in/at - such as HA to try and win favor for my region.
There are PLENTY, and I mean plenty of good American players. It's not about Europe being "omghaztotaldominationzLOL!!?!" Saying that a Region has strategy than another is bollocks, especially when we see American guilds reigning over the Hall of Heroes at times.
The one thing that I think will actually help out is if more Americans start playing more often (and perhaps being more cooperative, which means no rage-quitting if your team doesn't get the biggest morale boost and win favor the first time you go in). Doing your part isn't too hard; I don't mind working a bit so that I can enjoy things later. When America does take favor I see the same guild names over and over and over again. The same players going in and working their ways to the top.
There is no easy fix. It'll take some work, but favor can be had for the states.
When I do enter Hero's Ascent I almost always find as many players in the International Districts as I do the American Districts. When I join PUGs, a good 7 times out of 10 it turns out to be a primarily European Team, since I go to International to find groups more often than I stick around in the American Servers.
Think about how large Europe is; the European servers encompass an arse of countries - I believe there is an English, Italian, French, German (perhaps), and one or two other servers (It's been a LOOOOONG time since I peeked into the European Servers) - so it makes sense that the player base may possibly be larger (to truly determine this we'd have to refer to census data for the whole of Western Europe vs. the US).
I am very much a PvE player, but enjoy wandering into PvP areas - which I've become very decently skilled in/at - such as HA to try and win favor for my region.
There are PLENTY, and I mean plenty of good American players. It's not about Europe being "omghaztotaldominationzLOL!!?!" Saying that a Region has strategy than another is bollocks, especially when we see American guilds reigning over the Hall of Heroes at times.
The one thing that I think will actually help out is if more Americans start playing more often (and perhaps being more cooperative, which means no rage-quitting if your team doesn't get the biggest morale boost and win favor the first time you go in). Doing your part isn't too hard; I don't mind working a bit so that I can enjoy things later. When America does take favor I see the same guild names over and over and over again. The same players going in and working their ways to the top.
There is no easy fix. It'll take some work, but favor can be had for the states.
gene terrodon
I think that the europeans are benefitting from bad american attitudes.
People are turned of of HA because of the penchant for specific builds and rank discrimination.
So instead of playing HA, americans do other things.
People are turned of of HA because of the penchant for specific builds and rank discrimination.
So instead of playing HA, americans do other things.
Franco Power
Why does a thread like this pop up every 3 days -_-.
Like I said before, the best tomb players are in North and eastern europe.
Like I said before, the best tomb players are in North and eastern europe.
Bryant Again
If so, how come Europe is gaining favor now?
glountz
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Like I said before, the best tomb players are in North and eastern europe.
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Proofs?
Any kind of things to sustain your claim?
killer toast
its because america sucks at halls and we only win favor if all european players are at sleep or work
Ulivious The Reaper
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Sources: Hit B and watch some of the games.. most of the people are european
Proof= Source
can't sustain his claim but also the fact that europe has favor almost all the time should sum it ALL up
Alleji
More players on europe - both HA and GvG. Don't know about PvE players.
I should be on the american server, but I switched to europe because I used to farm FoW during the day (and HA later) and america never had favour during the day. My entire guild did the same and I know a few other people who are american/canadian, but play on euro.
As a result, when we win halls, it's a notch for europe.
I should be on the american server, but I switched to europe because I used to farm FoW during the day (and HA later) and america never had favour during the day. My entire guild did the same and I know a few other people who are american/canadian, but play on euro.
As a result, when we win halls, it's a notch for europe.
samcobra
So basically, the solution is this:
1) stop bitching. If you really want to farm/explore/whatever so much, switch servers OR...
2) take initiative. Make a good pvp guild, get good pvpers, play HA all day, hold halls for america all day. Encourage others to do the same. STOP RUNNING SHIT BUILDS.
I'd say that people who actually want to explore in pve should have some respect towards those who actually compete against other players for whatever the case may be, whether its fame or chest drops, etc. If you really feel there's a problem, do your part in fixing it.
1) stop bitching. If you really want to farm/explore/whatever so much, switch servers OR...
2) take initiative. Make a good pvp guild, get good pvpers, play HA all day, hold halls for america all day. Encourage others to do the same. STOP RUNNING SHIT BUILDS.
I'd say that people who actually want to explore in pve should have some respect towards those who actually compete against other players for whatever the case may be, whether its fame or chest drops, etc. If you really feel there's a problem, do your part in fixing it.
Bryant Again
So...PvP players are better than everyone else? Also note our limited territory switches.
Clinically Proven
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I Phoenix I
I think it's because there are more Europeans playing HA than Americans.
Franco Power
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Hi, Proof?
Press M, click Heroes Ascent ( if you unlocked it)
go to HA ID3
SlippyJack
I <3 PvE...
I don't have time to get Halls, I have grass to mow, work 12 hours a day, wife and kid, and it's NFL Playoffs...
I don't have time to get Halls, I have grass to mow, work 12 hours a day, wife and kid, and it's NFL Playoffs...
Lambentviper
Note there are also more countries in Europe, including more people, probably less rage quits.
Im from america and i feel comfortable with saying that i prefer to HA with europeans because they have more patience, and dont ragequit or get pissed off as us americans who dont get their way in the underworld.
Im from america and i feel comfortable with saying that i prefer to HA with europeans because they have more patience, and dont ragequit or get pissed off as us americans who dont get their way in the underworld.
Firebaall
Well....
It's totally messed up that Anet (don't ask me what I think the A stands for....) has made a head up the arse decision to let PVP'ers control what happens in the PVE world.
Can you imagine how much it sucks to be Japanese or Korean? Or any other district that can't access UW or FOW because of some dandy PvPers running around trying to convince each other how "leet" they are?
It's bull.
Would be nice if Anet actually listened to the PVE players, and made game changes/decisions based on what's good for us. Make them mutally exclusive. How many times has Anet screwed with "balances" due to nothing more founded than a whiny PvP player?
..........exactly.
It's totally messed up that Anet (don't ask me what I think the A stands for....) has made a head up the arse decision to let PVP'ers control what happens in the PVE world.
Can you imagine how much it sucks to be Japanese or Korean? Or any other district that can't access UW or FOW because of some dandy PvPers running around trying to convince each other how "leet" they are?
It's bull.
Would be nice if Anet actually listened to the PVE players, and made game changes/decisions based on what's good for us. Make them mutally exclusive. How many times has Anet screwed with "balances" due to nothing more founded than a whiny PvP player?
..........exactly.
knives
IWAY nerf = European favor.
Omega X
I wish a Mod would stop these America vs. Europe hate threads.
Brother Andicus
I would say there are 3 reasons.
In no particular order.
1) Many koreans (especially the more skilled ones) have either left GW or are on an extended break from it. The korean timezone used to be well placed to take favour away from europe towards the end of the euro primetime. But, with less korean teams, it was then easier for an American team to take favour for themselves.
2) A look at the GvG ladder suggests that there are significantly more European PvP guilds, and that excluding a few obvious exceptions, they tend to play at a slightly higher level than the run of the mill American PvP guild.
3) Finally, and most importantly, the American HA playerbase systematically destroyed their individual player skill. For months and months all that you would find in any American HA district was "LFG IWAY!!!!!1111one" and occasionally "IWAY NOOB! - LFG VIMWAY". I would be prepared to gamble that a massive proportion of the American HA playerbase are both unable to think of or play builds that don't involve a c-space warrior.
In no particular order.
1) Many koreans (especially the more skilled ones) have either left GW or are on an extended break from it. The korean timezone used to be well placed to take favour away from europe towards the end of the euro primetime. But, with less korean teams, it was then easier for an American team to take favour for themselves.
2) A look at the GvG ladder suggests that there are significantly more European PvP guilds, and that excluding a few obvious exceptions, they tend to play at a slightly higher level than the run of the mill American PvP guild.
3) Finally, and most importantly, the American HA playerbase systematically destroyed their individual player skill. For months and months all that you would find in any American HA district was "LFG IWAY!!!!!1111one" and occasionally "IWAY NOOB! - LFG VIMWAY". I would be prepared to gamble that a massive proportion of the American HA playerbase are both unable to think of or play builds that don't involve a c-space warrior.
shardfenix
Europe has favor more because most Americans are morons who play gimmicks without knowing how they work. Does europe have morons who play gimmicks without a clue? Yes, just not as many.
Divinus Stella
From personal experience in HA its usually the american players that rage teams, tends to be more attitude and crap talk when they are in teams.
Americans dont really do as well in GvG either, QQ is the only decent american guild i can think of, the rest of the american gvg guilds are only on the ladder because they play during american times where the competition is much lower, 99% of games vs unranked and hero guilds.
Americans dont really do as well in GvG either, QQ is the only decent american guild i can think of, the rest of the american gvg guilds are only on the ladder because they play during american times where the competition is much lower, 99% of games vs unranked and hero guilds.
Gwmaster
i saw that since iway was changed, america started to get owned