Europe and the favor wars
Pupu
i was about to say the same thing ^^, usa's favour dried up with the lame iway build
hallomik
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Originally Posted by Mesmer in Need
Ok firt i want to point out that im american and i play on american servers, and i am in no way tring to flame. But i realise, like most other pve'ers that we can rarely go ito the fow/uw because europe always haz favor. now that brings me to the queston how. is europe just better than us? do they use different builds/ strats? or is it just a matter the they are just better/ were not as good? can somebody give me insight into this?
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The reason Europe always has favor is because they once had a slight edge, and much like the Winterday's festival when the presents are handed out, players switch to the area that suits them. Grenth didn't "rule" in the odd districts. Players who wanted to get a Grenth hat congregated there. Similarly, players who want the benefits of favor switch to the Euro servers and a slight advantage turns into a big one.
Also, to the OP. In America, it's spelled "realize" with a "z". Good job on remembering to leave the "u" out of "favor," mate. Cheers.
Alfrond
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Originally Posted by Mesmer in Need
Ok firt i want to point out that im american and i play on american servers, and i am in no way tring to flame. But i realise, like most other pve'ers that we can rarely go ito the fow/uw because europe always haz favor. now that brings me to the queston how. is europe just better than us? do they use different builds/ strats? or is it just a matter the they are just better/ were not as good? can somebody give me insight into this?
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I'm not trying to be snarky about this, but if we want favor more, we will just have to beat Europe more. I mean what can I say? Its like if you lose the superbowl. You can talk about all the different factors that went in to your loss, but in the end you just weren't able to beat the other team.
cellardweller
When most winning HA teams are formed from internation districts, statistically, favour is decided entirely on population numbers present from each region in ID1.
Yichi
Most of the american pvp players that used to hold halls a lot got their rank 9, joined gvg guilds, and stopped doing HA. and even more than that have just quit GW due to lack of unbroken builds/skills/repetitiveness for other games
Navaros
My take on why Europe now usually has favor:
1. Most of the good American Tombs players were IWAY players who don't play IWAY any more since the 6v6 nerf.
2. Most of the smaller portion of remaining good American Tombs players who weren't IWAY players also stopped playing Tombs due to the 6vs6 nerf.
3. Since the dawn of time, most good players would always form up in International districts, and very very few good groups ever formed up in American districts even if they were on the American server.
4. Catch 22 - Europe usually has favor so there was/is a mass exodus of American server players over to the Europe server.
1. Most of the good American Tombs players were IWAY players who don't play IWAY any more since the 6v6 nerf.
2. Most of the smaller portion of remaining good American Tombs players who weren't IWAY players also stopped playing Tombs due to the 6vs6 nerf.
3. Since the dawn of time, most good players would always form up in International districts, and very very few good groups ever formed up in American districts even if they were on the American server.
4. Catch 22 - Europe usually has favor so there was/is a mass exodus of American server players over to the Europe server.
Mesmer in Need
wow, thanks for all the responses. actually, from aguildie today he said that europe always has favor because "they have like 30 countries".so, i think that sums it up. also, wehn you say "tombs" like in the above post, do u mean the arenas leading twards the hoh? Because tombs makes me think of tomb of the primeval king.
Yichi
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Originally Posted by Mesmer in Need
wow, thanks for all the responses. actually, from aguildie today he said that europe always has favor because "they have like 30 countries".so, i think that sums it up. also, wehn you say "tombs" like in the above post, do u mean the arenas leading twards the hoh? Because tombs makes me think of tomb of the primeval king.
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Kali Magdalene
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Originally Posted by samcobra
So basically, the solution is this:
1) stop bitching. If you really want to farm/explore/whatever so much, switch servers OR... 2) take initiative. Make a good pvp guild, get good pvpers, play HA all day, hold halls for america all day. Encourage others to do the same. STOP RUNNING SHIT BUILDS. |
A solution might be to look at the favor system and adjust it so you can get into FoW/UW at any time, perhaps at a higher cost than when your territory has favor.
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winkgood
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Originally Posted by Divinus Stella
Americans dont really do as well in GvG either, QQ is the only decent american guild i can think of, the rest of the american gvg guilds are only on the ladder because they play during american times where the competition is much lower, 99% of games vs unranked and hero guilds.
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I'd like to know how many of the players in those top ranked European guilds are actually not in Europe. I bet there are quite a few.
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Originally Posted by hallomik
Also, to the OP. In America, it's spelled "realize" with a "z". Good job on remembering to leave the "u" out of "favor," mate. Cheers.
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I'm kinda thinking the thread was flamebait as well.
Kool Pajamas
I think its just because there are many more euros playing in HA. Americans seem to be more casual players and HA doesnt really fit that.
Divinus Stella
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Originally Posted by Mesmer in Need
wow, thanks for all the responses. actually, from aguildie today he said that europe always has favor because "they have like 30 countries".so, i think that sums it up. also, wehn you say "tombs" like in the above post, do u mean the arenas leading twards the hoh? Because tombs makes me think of tomb of the primeval king.
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Titan Chrae
American players in my alliance play on international servers (They say it is easier to find a good group). When they get in a team that wins it usually counts as favor for Europe. Traitors! 
Europe covers many more time zones than the US so their are active PvP players on most times of the day. That might have something to do with it as well.
Whatever the reason. The Favor system is broke and has been addressed in several threads in this forum that usually turn into flame wars and get closed.
Europe covers many more time zones than the US so their are active PvP players on most times of the day. That might have something to do with it as well.
Whatever the reason. The Favor system is broke and has been addressed in several threads in this forum that usually turn into flame wars and get closed.
glountz
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Originally Posted by Legendary Ultimatum
Hi, Proof?
Press M, click Heroes Ascent ( if you unlocked it) go to HA ID3 |
It has only to do with the fact that Nord countries and Eastern countries HAVE NOT THEIR OWN DISTRICTS. No Croatia District nor Swedish district exist, so they gather in Int District. French HA players gather in French HA district. Same for Italian, German, English ones.
That's what I thought: your logic is completely flawed.
To sustain your claim about "this country or this country has more skilled people" you must: note every holding team for Europe, then contact each guild to know from where their PvP players come from, and then you can begin to draw conclusion from some statistics.
For what I think, that's not that Europe is more skilled than America or whatever, but only Europe has more HA players. You see many teams in HA that are European. 3 Europe teams competing to hold halls is not so rare (even if it is uncommon).
nekopowa
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Originally Posted by glountz
The fact that East/North european people tend to gather in Int District has nothing to do with the fact Europe has favor.
It has only to do with the fact that Nord countries and Eastern countries HAVE NOT THEIR OWN DISTRICTS. No Croatia District nor Swedish district exist, so they gather in Int District. French HA players gather in French HA district. Same for Italian, German, English ones. |
And those who say that Europe has more players because they have "30 countries", have you ever had geography at school? No?
American players have a general bad attitude. One thing i dislike the most about them is when anything goes wrong they either quit, or yell and blame eachother. People switch from American -> Europe just because of that.
glountz
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Originally Posted by nekopowa
The universal district for europeans is *English*, not international. People gather in the International District because there's more new players and less rank discrimination there.
And those who say that Europe has more players because they have "30 countries", have you ever had geography at school? No? American players have a general bad attitude. One thing i dislike the most about them is when anything goes wrong they either quit, or yell and blame eachother. People switch from American -> Europe just because of that. |
On bad Attitudes from America, I don't know I dont play in America teams. However European teams have also ragequits, so I can't say American=BAd and such premade statements.
In addition, HA teams are gathered sometimes in HA, but you forget HA guilds who gather in their hall and not in districts, international or not.
What I mean is that making such statements based on population in HA districts to understand why Europe has favor is completely flawed, that's all.
TheRaven
Well, here's one fix to the favor wars. Although it would be a very very unpopular decision for alot of players and I don't realistically expect A-net to implement it.
1. Do not allow players to change servers. When an account is set up it automatically connects to it's "home" server. The only exceptions should be if a player physically moves from one region of the world to another. For example, an American Soldier who is an active GW player is deployed to Germany for 2 years. The first time he logs into the game from Germany he should be given the option to remain on the American servers or switch to Europe.
2. Prevent mixed teams from battling in the Hall of Heroes. Teams in HoH must be made up of players from 1 district. The only exception to this should be to allow mixed teams if all players are in the same guild. In that case they play for whichever district the guild is aligned with. Similiar rules exist in real life. I recall about a decade ago a very popular figure skating dance team was barred from competing in the Olympics because the woman was an American and her partner was Russian. He had immigrated to the US but was not yet a citizen.
From reading the posts in this thread and elsewhere on the site it seems that most people feel Europe has favor the majority of the time because of 2 things.
1. Europe is better than the USA at HoH. - I don't know if this is true or not. I doubt it, but if that's the case they deserve to hold favor the majority of the time.
2. Most Americans that play HoH are doing so on European Servers. They've either joined teams with European leaders or jumped servers because of the favor issue. These rule changes would restore the equilibrium in this case.
1. Do not allow players to change servers. When an account is set up it automatically connects to it's "home" server. The only exceptions should be if a player physically moves from one region of the world to another. For example, an American Soldier who is an active GW player is deployed to Germany for 2 years. The first time he logs into the game from Germany he should be given the option to remain on the American servers or switch to Europe.
2. Prevent mixed teams from battling in the Hall of Heroes. Teams in HoH must be made up of players from 1 district. The only exception to this should be to allow mixed teams if all players are in the same guild. In that case they play for whichever district the guild is aligned with. Similiar rules exist in real life. I recall about a decade ago a very popular figure skating dance team was barred from competing in the Olympics because the woman was an American and her partner was Russian. He had immigrated to the US but was not yet a citizen.
From reading the posts in this thread and elsewhere on the site it seems that most people feel Europe has favor the majority of the time because of 2 things.
1. Europe is better than the USA at HoH. - I don't know if this is true or not. I doubt it, but if that's the case they deserve to hold favor the majority of the time.
2. Most Americans that play HoH are doing so on European Servers. They've either joined teams with European leaders or jumped servers because of the favor issue. These rule changes would restore the equilibrium in this case.
Clone
I just want to put in the obligatory "PvP restrictions on PvE areas are lame." I could care less who has favor. I just know that it sometimes prevents people from playing some of the best designed areas in the game.
Fluffs
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Originally Posted by Gonzo
There are more europeans in HA would be my best bet.
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just kidding.I agree with your conclusion there probably are a lot more european people who play HA
Skuld
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boxterduke
Donot pvp much but from what I see and hear, Europe plays good.
They have good teams and good builds, everyone here in North American plays the normal builds that they were playing 9 years ago.
If Europe is good and winning then good for them, its time for North American PvPers to stop complaining and do something about it.
I'm sick of seeing all these hostile conversations in towns about how Europe sucks.
Note: to state a fact, I'm from north america.
They have good teams and good builds, everyone here in North American plays the normal builds that they were playing 9 years ago.
If Europe is good and winning then good for them, its time for North American PvPers to stop complaining and do something about it.
I'm sick of seeing all these hostile conversations in towns about how Europe sucks.
Note: to state a fact, I'm from north america.
Jecht Scye
It's not that America is worse than Europe, it's that there isn't nearly as many people playing HA in America typically. Every time I go to HA and make it to the 3v3 altar cap, it's always my team vs. two European teams. I've beaten my fair share of European teams but lets face it, typically you can only go so far in Halls before you run out of gas and fight a build that just has yours numbered. In conclusion, if there are more European teams than American teams then European teams have a higher probability of winning the Hall of Heroes
Blackhawk
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Originally Posted by Clone
I just want to put in the obligatory "PvP restrictions on PvE areas are lame." I could care less who has favor. I just know that it sometimes prevents people from playing some of the best designed areas in the game.
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DragonFang
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Originally Posted by nekopowa
American players have a general bad attitude. One thing i dislike the most about them is when anything goes wrong they either quit, or yell and blame eachother. People switch from American -> Europe just because of that.
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I also agree that basing access to a PvE area on PvP results makes no sense. Even if many of the PvE players were willing I don't think telling them to go to HoH and try to win the hall would help change anything. Many PvE oriented players are just not interested in PvP and would not be very good at it even if they tried.
Franco Power
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Originally Posted by glountz
The fact that East/North european people tend to gather in Int District has nothing to do with the fact Europe has favor.
It has only to do with the fact that Nord countries and Eastern countries HAVE NOT THEIR OWN DISTRICTS. No Croatia District nor Swedish district exist, so they gather in Int District. French HA players gather in French HA district. Same for Italian, German, English ones. That's what I thought: your logic is completely flawed. To sustain your claim about "this country or this country has more skilled people" you must: note every holding team for Europe, then contact each guild to know from where their PvP players come from, and then you can begin to draw conclusion from some statistics. For what I think, that's not that Europe is more skilled than America or whatever, but only Europe has more HA players. You see many teams in HA that are European. 3 Europe teams competing to hold halls is not so rare (even if it is uncommon). |
dude quit it, I dont know if you know what you're talking about
Europe has players like Leteci,
america has players like Dryder
gg ? lol
Lumenil
From my point of view, americans are more into PVE, and europeans more into PVP. For example, trying to do DOA quests in european districts its extremely difficult, due to noobs, leavers, complainers, afkers, err7 ecc.. but I understand that in america there are fair better PUGs for DOA.
Morgoth the dark
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Originally Posted by Legendary Ultimatum
dude quit it, I dont know if you know what you're talking about
Europe has players like Leteci, america has players like Dryder gg ? lol |
Well about year ago, someone said, EU players stop whining and sucking and win more.
now it's revervse way so... read line above and switch EU eith America :P
SlippyJack
Keep this thread going, America had favor the whole night last night... Get some of the PvP'ers up and going again...
bebe
They are more pvp orientated than us? :|
Xeeron
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Originally Posted by nekopowa
And those who say that Europe has more players because they have "30 countries", have you ever had geography at school? No?
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Time zones: Europe and America are pretty equal in these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:T..._optimized.png if anything America has a larger spread.
- Xeeron
onerabbit
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Originally Posted by Omnidragon42
America has favor all night, every night. Play late and you're all set
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.i was up til 4am gmt and euro still had it all night 
might just be a 1 off..
MrTickle
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Originally Posted by SlippyJack
Keep this thread going, America had favor the whole night last night... Get some of the PvP'ers up and going again...
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SlippyJack
I didn't, but if I did, there is no date or time to prove it
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Actually in that case, America has not lost favor in two months
.. Actually in that case, America has not lost favor in two months
gojensen
Just a quickie... Europe != EU... Europe > EU.
ischuros
In the map above it was pretty clear to see that the USA&Canada had more timezones, more urbanised areas where gamers usually live, more internet access than us (EU) comparitivly, i.e, you had a wider spread. There are only two timezones in the EU which really play games, GMT & CET, CET + 1 is mainly made up of rural/agriculture based countries, where there isnt an abundance of internet access, and where computers and games in general are hard to come by. In America over your four timezones, nearly everyone would have access to the internet, and to a computer, so there would be a greater chance of America dominating.
Yet they dont after IWAY got nerfed
Yet they dont after IWAY got nerfed
Pwny Ride
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Originally Posted by MrTickle
Even Korea gets more favor than america
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Infectious
Ever considered that people on the American servers are just pissed off with the current rock paper scissors of HA at the moment?
Pwny Ride
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
If so, how come Europe is gaining favor now?
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Originally Posted by Infectious
Ever considered that people on the American servers are just pissed off with the current rock paper scissors of HA at the moment?
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There are that many gimicky, unoriginal cookie-cutter builds floating around in HA, that it is generally a game of rock paper scissors. Only when, for example, it's B-build VS B-build, Europe generally takes the cake, possibly because of one key factor that comes into play -
Attitude
I have met about thrity americans, on the EUROPEAN servers saying things like 'europe sucks', tossing about profound racial slurrs, putting other countries down, just to prove their vissaged dominance. Its people like this that give America a bad name, giving us European players a right to dislike american players.
So we fight, just to prove them wrong. We dont insult, we dont namecall, or indulge in petty arguments. Theres no' your mom is good in bed you n00zor0x0!!!!1' type remarks coming from European players.
Now dont get me wrong, im not saying that all americans are like this, i have a few american friends on my buddy list, but when this behaviour interferes directly with gameplay, whether it be ignorance, carelessness, and over-confidence, i will gaurentee you that its America's fault that they have favour the least of the time.
Good Day
Loki Seiguro
from what i have seen
euro = pvp
amer = pve
and in pvp HA americans have random groups wtf is that lol.....euro may run some but they are usually r6-9+ group with nothing to do
euro = pvp
amer = pve
and in pvp HA americans have random groups wtf is that lol.....euro may run some but they are usually r6-9+ group with nothing to do
Sophitia Leafblade
come on America if u want favor come and get it off us Europeans , im sure atleast some of you are more then capable, its about time HoH got a fresh burst of competativity.
*thinks back to the good old days of spending days waiting for Europe to get favor, when America and Korea held it for 85% of the time.* hmm on second thoughts maybe its better this way (jk)
, im sure atleast some of you are more then capable, its about time HoH got a fresh burst of competativity. *thinks back to the good old days of spending days waiting for Europe to get favor, when America and Korea held it for 85% of the time.* hmm on second thoughts maybe its better this way
(jk)