inscribable crystallines! a temporary thing, or a permanent addition?

for a day.....until everyone and their mother farmed them into oblivion.

a req 8 inscribable is definately worth more than a req 8 15>50 non-inscribable because you can make it 15>50 too plus you are able change it to e.g. 15 while enchanted whenever your build needs it.

i don't think non-inscribable will be worth more because of nostalgic value...

Well i had weapon mod 10/10 sundering for bow... sold for 100k to guy who was nostalgic .

Anyway thats good thingie. If Anet wanna drop down prices of items they shoud make all weapons like that . Or maybe its photoshop ? :P

wrong. the non inscribable weapons will always be worth more simply for the fact that it HAD to drop like that, not it can be made into that.

So what?

Green Sephis didnt do much
Green Sickle ditto.

It is not like that is gonna change a thing.

uh, no.
most of the "omg my items are worthless" threads come from the middle-class. do NOT mistake my posts worrying for the longevity of the game and the health of its economy for complaints of personal loss. if i were such a greedy bastard, i wouldnt have quit trading 8 months ago.


if we're all such big-dick ego-tards who do nothing all day long but spam OMG IM BETTER THAN YOU BECAUSE I OWN BLAH BLAH BLAH, then why is it a VERY large portion of people i talk too regularly have no clue i own what i do? and even if they know i have it, they've probably never seen it unless they've asked too.
and the same goes for many others who own expensive things.
the fact of the matter is most wealthy players are the OPPOSITE of RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO-eyed egotistical morons...we tend to be more withdrawn about our tendancies than people would think, because every time you say something like i own an 8 15.50, or a no conditional or X amount of ecto, you make yourself more well known to scammers and hackers...and thats not a good thing. not to mention that you come off as a prick.
almost everyone i talk too in-game would also tell you i am very, very polite and more than willing to answer a simple question that would probably prompt an "OMFG newb" statment form some guy using green weapons. my point? just because someones wealthy, doesnt mean they are an ass. this just shows that you are being the judgemental one here.



re-read the following, please.

you are right though, a majority of the old players do not own 8 15>50s and a good percentage probably want them, but they are less likely to bitch and moan for handouts.
for over a year i was one of the most active pursuers of an 8 15.50 crystalline in the game of guildwars, i compiled a list of virtually everyone who had one uncustomized and tried to convince them to swing it my way. and NOT ONCE did i expect anet to hand it to me just because i wanted it and was having difficulties obtaining it. even before i owned one i would have been the first in line to argue against making a green version, or making them inscriptable, even though it arguably would have benifited me at the time.
MOST of the people on my side of the argument do not own an 8 15.50...and theres a good chance they never will. yet they support the ability to have a goal to reach.

i was stating that this is yet another thing that anet has done to cast out the loyal players.
i dont recall saying that all old and loyal players were wealthy. do not diliberatly misquote me again, it was very, very obvious what i meant here.
among the list of things they've done:

murderous skill changes: this isnt as bad because its almost expected, and eventually people recover and make new builds

announcing the ability to buy extra character slots, more than a year after the games release. i cant tell you how many people bought muiltiple accounts and were frustrated by this one...not ebcause they didnt like the feature, but because they didnt get a chance to use it from day 1.

allowing people to purchase pvp unlocks: this one pissed off A LOT of dedicated pvpers who had been playing since the begining. in pvp having 100% UAX used to be both something that was hard to achieve, and a sign of dedication to the pvp mechanic of the game...and all of a sudden anyone with a few extra bucks could have what they had spent a year working on.

making inscriptions on non-ch3 skins: as i predicted (correctly) in the origional anti-inscription thread this tanked many of the item prices in the game...most notably those of the middle-class, as collecters (the wealthiest players) would still pay top dollar for uninscripted versions due to the rarity, but middle-class items got hit hard, and a slew of threads popped up saying "omg my items are worthless i cant sell crap, blah, blah blah." why do i not feel sorry for them?
because they were largely the same people who wanted them to begin with.

not allowing inscriptions to be put into old armors: this is one thing that virtually everyone thought was a good idea, and that more or less absolutly no harm could come from, and yet they refrained from doing it for some reason.




[for starters, dont confuse numerical inferiority with rarity.
lets say tomorrow they intriduce a new green item...for a few hours there will be less of them than there are no conditional weapons, 8 15.50 crystallines and perfect magmas shields in the game, so by your definition they would be rarer, and thus worth more.
uh...no?
EVERY valuable(i say this because there are some that are just so cheap that it doesnt matter either way) skin that has both an inscripted and uninscripted counterpart will observe the UNINSCRIPTED version being worth more.
why? for the exact reason you think they'd be worth less; they arent as versatile.
because they arent versatile, and ebcause their mods cannot be altered, it is harder to get an uninscripted one with the mods you want thus forcing you to...dun dun dun, pay more for it.
and give it time (not much time, even) and perfect inscripted crystallines would far outnumber uninscripted ones, just because you can take any crappily modded crystalline witha decent requirement and mod it to taste...effectivly ruining their own prices.

Never understood all the comments about the crystalline being ugly. Compared to .. gladius, falchion, brute sword(aka a popsicle stick) and soooo many others it looks a lot better. Sorry just that is the one weapon that gets more hate on looks than any other I know of.

Wow. Calm down. I never called you any of those bad labels that you've spouted. My post didnt contain any judgemental opinions on what you do with your gold so I don't know why you're bringing all that up. Show me where in my post where I said you were an ass.

To the OP:

Why should something that is core be exempt from new changes?

FoW can bear insignias, weapons/offhands can bear inscriptions.

It is human nature to justify not having something by criticizing it.

Don't think I'm in denial.
But all people who are in denial tend to say that

I think we both have an other feeling about the nuances in the English language.

Lucky for me I'm not really complaining.
I've seen this coming for a long time.
A-net has taken various attempts to lower the prices on items like the tripple green weekends, the chest weekends with double golds and tripple key drops and that kind of stuff.
The inscriptions are also part of this.

With the introduction of heroes, people started to customize their heroes, so that did probably have some impact on the prices (for sure on the blood stained insignia, which was about 8K when I last looked at the price).
But prices will probably decline in the future.

I think it's good for general gameplay that the 'normal' items are in reach for all players.
Inscriptions are part of that, I don't oppose to them.

I have very mixed feelings on the inscriptions on the markets high-end weapons (skins) like the crystalline.
A req 9 15^50 max is as good as any other req 9 15^50 sword in the game.
So on that side there was no need to introduce the inscribable item.

When a 15^50 inscribable drops, it's no problem at all.
It's as rare as the original one, I pressume.
It's a gold crystalline with no or other inscription that causes the problem.
People can modify that one to 15^50, therefore creating more on the market.

Now, how does this influence me?
Not at al.
I'm a Joe Average player with some cash and no interest in collecting the high-price weapons.
I use greens, purples and some golds as weapons, stuff I cannot use sits in my inventory or I just give it away.
Most of my weapons are drops I collected, I have bought only a few from other players.
I do have a crystalline, but I won't sell it. I'll probably give it away when I get tired of the thing.

Why do I care?
I do care because I know what kind of impact this change has on the collector players.
There are people that play this game because they want to reach something besides the titles you can get.
One of those goals is high-priced rare skinned weapons.
Taking that oppertunity away does impact the way people feel about the game.
It's like you collect car models and have a few very rare ones missing.
And suddenly they appear all over the market.
Collecting is not only about owning, it's about the search for items.
When the search part is gone, the fun of collecting is gone.

The average player does not care about those items.
Just as the average stamp collector does not know or care about the Penny Black.
When they know about it, they know they will have to save up for it
And it might be out of range, since it's rare, people that own it won't give it up that easy.
That's not a problem, it's still a goal.
When they have obtained the stamp, they can set an other goal (get the unused version).

I don't think there is any need to take that market away.
It's very small, compared to the total GW player base.
The average player is not infuenced by this market.
They can get anything they want and even 'better' things than the people that are playing since the start of GW.
They can get an 15^50 sword with +30hp and vamp at a fraction of the value a year ago.

I think that's what hurts the long term players the most.
They have worked hard to get some items that declined in value very fast.
The Superior Vigor rune was very expensive once (still is, but not close to what it's been). The +30HP, +5E on staff, 20/20 sundering, vampiric and that kind of upgrades are cheap.
All those items do influence gameplay.
The more gold you had, the better you could perform (important on PvP, less in PvE).

And now A-net is modifying one of the few items that still has the old value.
The complain is part sentimental value.
But also a signal that A-net should value long time players.
Those are the ones that spread the word and made GW the game it is today.
The birthday presents are a way to show that, but keeping some of the memories alive also does.

Not personal zwei2stein lots of people say original 15%^ better i just pick you to say...
How wants a car thats only turn to right? "Oooo i love the only right car i will work for 1 year to buy the good only right car", no way...
This my personal opinion, but i belive that prices of non scrip will drop...
And to finish... "who cares about inscriptions?"... some people cares... because they not dumb... think in future... new mods... one update can erase all value of a 10kk crystalline...

If that's the case, why not change Prophecies and Factions weapons as well?

Insignia's as a whole was a bad move by A-net IMO.

Armor does not count because they are always in the game, and therefore don't have a rarity. I really can't see the point in insignia's, at all. Why give rare weapons with perfect mods to everyone, and with that make them look like cheap ****?

One of the problems in this game is that everything can be obtained TOO easy. When I was a newb, I had to work my @$$ off for a good weapon, and boy was I proud of my first max damage weapon, a green Stinger bought for 10K. Players today don't have to work anymore for what they get. Everything gets cheaper, and people get max damage stuff everywhere.

Even with that, people still have greens and collector's weapons, and with that, there is NO NEED for gold weapons. Gold items have changed from something good into a status weapon, only the richer people can afford a good skin. But with the inscriptions, everyone can get perfect gold items as well, taking the gold items down to the level of green and collector's weapons - the level that everyone can obtain it without doing alot of work.

But but but, I like being the middle class

Well, I think I will be on welfare soon at the rate the market is depreciating

why is everyone getting so puffed up over something that is made of endless 1's and 0's ? its ridiculous, really...

I've read through a decent portion of this thread, and I think that my favorite post concerning the introduction - permanent or not - of inscribable crystalline swords into the game, the one that says it best, references a type of craft and it's model representative.

My grandfather owns a Shelby Cobra. His is a real, original cobra (a cobra of the same design: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...elby-Cobra.jpg ). It is a semi-rare automobile. A beautiful piece of machinery. His cobra is still all original, exactly what he wanted for a very, very long time. He invested a hell of a lot of money into it, and has left it unrestored because he enjoys the history of it.

The cobra I believe the poster was referencing is, of course, Shelby's personal racing Cobra - on which the developement of the subsequent cobras was based. This auto sold for 5.5 million dollars (article: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...70122009&imw=Y ).

Here is a Replica of a (in this case, an inscribable crystalline) 1965 Shelby Cobra and its price. Keep in mind that it appears just like the real deal, and that you can customize it to operate in an almost perfectly imitative way: http://ww2.collectorcartraderonline....=Shelby--Cobra

The prices between the real deal, with their history (Shelby's sale price is an outlier, but the real deal cobras still sell for prices that are far beyond what you will pay for a replica), and the copies, which look and feel as nice, but are not originals, cannot compare. Both are expensive - as inscribable, and non-inscribable Crystallines are - but it's very obvious that their historical value is much more important.

Think on Crystallines in this way. Inscribable or not, they are very rare. Because of this, they will both remain high-priced pieces of equipment.

There is, however, a certain fanfare and prestige to be had from an original Crystalline from the "old days." Everyone here seems to be using "req.8 15^50" as the example to be tossed back and forth, so consider that.

The crystalline skin is not the best or most beautiful in the game. There are plenty of swords that look much better than it does; take Zodiac, for example. Put a req. 8 15^50 Zodiac sword next to a req. 8 15^50 Crystalline sword and compare the two. While both are pricey, which do you think will come out on top? It won't have anything to do with skin, it'll have something to do with rarity. (as a disclaimer, I am sure that there are plently of people who find Crystalline more appealing than Zodiac).

The crystalline sword has, to my knowledge, always been a collector sword. Even with the introduction of an inscribable version, I don't forsee it becoming something that a "casual player" will be having, unless Anet raises the drop rate. It's that drop rate, which is very low, that boost the sales of the Crystalline sword. As the sword is primarily a collector item, nostalgia is very, very much a concern.

Take it from a collector, me. I, cheesily enough, collect fishing reels. I have an old version of the same type of reel used to catch a Blue catfish weighing 105 pounds, which, at the time, was the South Carolina state record. My reel is exactly the same as the reel used. It, however, is a replica of that reel. I believe the reel is in a South Carolina wildlife house somewhere in our state. I wouldn't be able to afford it if it were up for auction, and even if I could, it would be exponentially more expensive than the one I currently own.

There is a similar nostalgia to be had from the non-inscribable "perfect" crystalline swords. They may not be unique, like the fishing reel after which mine is patterened, but they are extremely rare, just like my grandfather's Cobra, and because of this they will fetch a very high price among the crowd that they appeal to the most - the Collector's. For a sword like a crystalline, customizability has NOTHING to do with the collector appeal.

Just like in the world outside of guild wars, there are many levels of collector within guild wars. There are collectors of old cars who simply collect replicas of them, and there are collector who will settle for nothing less than original perfection. The crystalline sword collectors are going to be the same way. Some will be satisfied with just having one, even if it's inscribable. Others, like myself, would never buy one unless it dropped with that perfect inherent damage mod, no matter how pricey it is.

- - -

From a user's standpoint, inscribable crystallines are the way to go. From the point of view of a true blue collector, you can't replicate original perfection, no matter how similar the appearance and functionality. I think the Crystalline sword skin is Butt Fugly, but if I had the cash and one was available I would buy it. I wouldn't purchase an inscribable version because I don't plan on using it. I would purchase the version that was the rarest, because that is what collecting an item like this sword is about. I would use it, but I wouldn't buy it for that particular purpose.

Yeah, that's why the old HoD Swords and 10/10 sundering weapons are still going for 100k+.

I will pay more for a req 8 inscribable than a req 8 15>50 anyday because it's just better and rarer.

If you're just a collector who likes to collect stuff thats not ingame anymore because it was replaced by something superior like 10/10 sundering etc. then i guess theres a reason to want those old crystallines. But if you want to actually use the items on your char the new ones are the choice imho.

I wonder what the hubbub will be when the first req 7 or 8 inscribables are dropped out of the HoH chest.....

* though I haven't seen a max req7/8 out of the HoH chest I have seen req7/8 max inscribables elsewhere

they arent core. where is the proof of them dropping in NF or Cantha? As far as we all know, the Crystaline, Dwarven, and Serpent axe (just ot name a few that drop from that chest) are all prophecies only as there ahs never been any proof that they dropped in the other 2 chapters.

I have seen a max damage req 7 purple crystalline sword.

No it is not rarer than a Req 8 15>50 non-inscriptable one.

Jeez, posts like the above really make me wonder about how people can possibly come to such conclusions...

ANY Req 8 Crystalline inscriptable sword can become 15>50 now. IF Req 8 inscriptable do drop that is. So the following Req 8 Gold Crystallines can become 15>50: -
14% Stance
15% Stance
17% Hexed (I think come in gold)
18% Hexed
19% Hexed
20% Hexed
14% Enchant
15% Enchant
14>50
14% vs Hexed
15% vs Hexed
17<50 (I think come in gold)
18<50
19<50
20<50
No inherent dmg mod

So all of the above which previously were non-inscriptable drop as inscriptable at the same rate. Therefore there will be waaaay more req 8 inscriptable crystalline swords on the market which can be 15>50. So 15>50 r8 is rarer than inscriptable one.

And if people would be willing to pay more than what a non-inscriptable one then they would have to pay more than 100k+1750 ectos as that is what I am still willing to pay.

@ Mistress Yichi: serpents drop in factions in newb island

Ya, but this brings me to another point, something that angers me.

If something is dropping in NF and it has a skin that is the same in Tyria or Cantha, why not just make all of the skins inscribable? It makes no sense, the value in a sense isn't exactly being preserved, and its Anets fault in the 1st place for introducing an old skin in a new chapter. Don't make everything from old chapters inscribable, just make the same skins as in NF inscribable.

I ran across this article that sort of relates to the excessive anger and sadness that comes from "the pursuit of materialism" It still applies to this video game judging from the reactions I see.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070125/...consumerism_dc

Basically, the gist is this: "An epidemic of mindless consumerism is sweeping the world with the compulsive pursuit of money and possessions making people richer but sadder."

Message of this thread is not RICH vs POOR, it's the GRIND factor of the game is getting lesser and lesser. Making items inscribable cause the problem.

Lets say that you get a drop of a purple req 11 16/20 Cystalline. Your like "OMFG I got this cool skin yeah". The mods suck and it's purple. The next thing in your mind is to get a better version of the Cystalline. You play for weeks and weeks(most likely months) then finally got a gold req 12 13^50. Joy fills your head. You accomplish your goal. Next goal is a PERFECT one .

Making rare inscribable give's you no goals in the game. Everyone wants the best in GW and RL. Accomplishing goals is what the game and RL is all about.

QUOTE of the YEAR
"In real life there are knockoff's(fakes) and it seems like there are knockoff's in GW. I consider inscribable's items knockoffs(fakes) of the original(inherit modded items). "
RYAN

You know that they rolled back the update and inscribable crystallines are currently not obtainable ingame? How can you say they are not rarer?

And even if they bring it back it will take months until there are more inscribables than 15>50.

A req 8 inscribable Crystalline will hit really high prices, but it will never reach the 2000e a 15^50 non inscribable goes for or went for.

I think that the price of Inscribable Crystallines will drop, however I don't think that the people who already have decent non-inscribable crystallines should worry, because if they dont drop anymore, then they will just get rarer and rarer over time and thus the price will increase accordingly.

more like days.
crystallines as a whole, are NOT uncommon...its GOOD ones that are uncommon.
with inscriptions every crappy one can be turned into a good one.

I don't quite agree with what Jetdoc that people are criticizing it because they can't have it. It gets more hate on looks simply because of how talked about and how coveted it is and it's looks just doesnt live up to how overpriced it is. It just IS ugly in many people's opinion. It would still be ugly even if it were cheap. I doubt that most people are bashing it simply because they can't have one. Basically, most people can't understand why something so ugly is so sought after.

Disclaimer: No offense to those who like the crystalline sword. My dislike of the sword is just opinion.

No I think people do say that because they can't have it, just like FoW armor. You'll say it's ugly because you can't afford it, that's what most people do. There's a certain air in the attitude towards it they have that lets you know that. Like yours.

I should add that, because they can't afford it, they build up a resentment towards the certain item. Which brings out that "oh it's ugly!" attitude. I'm sure it's not everyone, but a lot of people at least more than you think are like that.

Haha. This is like school yard stuff.

"You're just jealous that you don't have a crystalline sword!"

I mean come on. Did you really have to go there? Why can't people who say the sword is ugly mean what they are saying? It's pretty childish of you to even suggest that I'm lying just because I don't want the thing.

Notice again the attitude, I said it was the attitude that did it. Not the fact that they are just jealous, the ones who say it about FoW armor or something incredibly expensive always (from my perspective and witnessing of it) have an arrogant attitude about them. Just like yours right now.

I mean if you weren't jealous, I doubt you'd have the attitude that you do. Unless you're just being an ass because it's fun.

How exactly am I conveying an attitude over the internet that makes you so sure that I'm like that? And calling me an ass won't make you look any smarter to me. You're the one attacking me, so who has the attitude problem eh?

Well if you don't see it then I don't expect you to understand. I'm also not trying to look smarter I was just making an observation on all the posts you made in this thread that lash out at everyone.

I don't have a Crystalline, but I don't go around saying OMFG IT'S UGLY YUCK GET THAT CRAP AWAY FROM ME, I did say that about warrior primeval armor though, and I got accused of what I accused you of. Because I had an attitude towards it. What I'm trying to point out is I see an attitude in the way you post and that's why I say that.

Like that, the misunderstanding of what I posted. I didn't say it was everyone, I said it's people who have an attitude and yes it's easy to tell if you have one by the way you type. I see an attitude in every post you make, so maybe it's just the way you are. Because if you really just don't like it, I don't think you'll have an attitude. I'm sure you think it's ugly but like I said you have an attitude in all your posts.

But the thing is, I didnt go around yelling how ugly it was. I was only explaining that not everyone who is saying it's an ugly piece of stick is lying. It was just untrue and I just wanted to explain that but instead I got my back jumped for it.

And you may not like my attitude, but I dont go around calling people asses the way you're doing, man. That's hyprocrisy on your part.

Well sorry but I've seen people that do that in game and they have an attitude towards it all the time. Maybe it's just because I sit in Grotto a lot and it seems most regular players have hatred for the people there.

But I know not everyone does it, I was also just saying that a lot of people that have an attitude or seem to hate it, they are usually just jealous usually.

I mean it's not because it looks good, that it costs so much. It's so expensive because it's really rare to get a good one, and where they drop, has some affect on it's rarity.

I'm pretty sure calling FoW ugly is at least a reasonable opinion. Some people may like it, but I honestly think most of the styles have been one-upped by some Factions and especially Nightfall armors. Nothing to do with the fact that it's out of my price range. And I always did think the warrior FoW looked like a pinecone...

Yes, people can actually think that high level armor and weapon styles are fugly, and not just be jealous.

Eh, for people like me... the one in Pre is all we'll ever get in terms of Crystallines.

Primeval is definitely ugly.

And hi Rasta. What was I supposed to post again?

i dislike the crystalline skin, and i own one, i got it to complete my collection.
puts the theory to rest that people say they're ugly just because they cant afford em.

Oh I can afford one.. but I still think its ugly.

Not everyone is the same you know. Some of us just generally don't like the look of it

Like me.
Personally i dislike most fow armor; rit/fem nec etc. Not because I cant afford it its just because i dislike the looks. Same with crystalline. ITs not that i cant afford it, its just i dont like its looks and i am not a collector or weapons or items. Id buy weapons / armor for looks that i like. Simple.

I dont hate things because i cant afford them. To me thats stupid.