Someone explain to me how some individuals find any reason to bash arena net? The game is free online play, and still, arena net is constantly coming up with new innoviations for the game, trying to listen to what the players want, and comming up with additions. the fact that the game has changed in such a massive degree compared to the day it came out is reason enough to be happy with arena net.
i see constant complaining about the way arena net changes things. in particualr i see alot of individuals complaining about the recent ideas for heroes ascent. regardless of what is done to change anything in this game, i will adapt, and continue playing and having fun. thats the point in the changes, too make people adapt. i like having a game that forces you to think.
i dont want this to come accross as sucking up. clearly i am not gunna get anything out of this. guild wars is not going the message me saying 'for telling everyone howawesome we are, here is 50k, a free character slot, and a hat that says "brown noser"'.
again, someone please explain why somehumans complain so much.
Arena net is great
Liveundead122
garethporlest18
I would guess because Anet does things against that certain persons wishes. Like me, I complain because they could do better, I could care less if they make it free that doesn't concern me. I'll still play though. I also like to complain so that might be why some people do it as well.
Oh and the word adapt needs to be deleted from life.
But I do like this game, more than some people would know as it's given me something other than entertainment.
Oh and the word adapt needs to be deleted from life.
But I do like this game, more than some people would know as it's given me something other than entertainment.
Vinraith
Well it's a message board. People that want to complain tend to post a lot, people that enjoy the game tend to be playing the game. Sometimes I think the only reason Anet ever gets any positive feedback is becuase some of us have to go to work. 
Lonesamurai
Because Human beings are inherently stupid and don't recognize a good thing when its given to them...
Zappa
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Because Human beings are inherently stupid and don't recognize a good thing when its given to them...
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'Nuff said.
Acidic Won
"Us humans" complain at arenanet because they take 8 years to come out with a skill balance that could take maybe a week to make up and then another week to test if they put the time into it. I do not know the exact math but that sounds pretty close given the fact that it took them what 3 months? to have the beta weekend up and running. Without the game/skill balance the game isnt really fun because everyone will just exploit the over-powered skills. Some things may take time like Jagged Bones which is IMBA and would need special time to take care of but other skills like Spiritual Pain are clear skills that needed to be toned down.
When it takes forever it seems like to come up with an update to these skills "us humans" get a little angry. Especially when A) HA is a scrubfest and B) the ladder is a joke right now with farming 2 rating. So the competitiveness is out of the game combined with the loss of skill balance means PvP players arent having fun PvPing and when that happens its like hell is knocking on your front door step. And with the HA weekend it seems like ArenaNET is trying to sway the metagame (the state of the game/skills/builds.) by changing skills for instance buff all the hexes but make divert take 2 seconds to cast? Good thing the changed that back. Ofcourse all that im saying is people dont like waiting forever on skill balances that dont need to take forever and when they do take forever the game takes a stale taste.
When it takes forever it seems like to come up with an update to these skills "us humans" get a little angry. Especially when A) HA is a scrubfest and B) the ladder is a joke right now with farming 2 rating. So the competitiveness is out of the game combined with the loss of skill balance means PvP players arent having fun PvPing and when that happens its like hell is knocking on your front door step. And with the HA weekend it seems like ArenaNET is trying to sway the metagame (the state of the game/skills/builds.) by changing skills for instance buff all the hexes but make divert take 2 seconds to cast? Good thing the changed that back. Ofcourse all that im saying is people dont like waiting forever on skill balances that dont need to take forever and when they do take forever the game takes a stale taste.
Bankai
Because people love to bitch at things. Anything.
noir0
Because people don't like to loose, in any way shape or form, whether it's to imbalanced skills, imbalanced games, or a game of patience. Patience is a lost art in the world of gaming i'm afraid to say.
Lonesamurai
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Zappa
I'm so tired of seeing the so called "pvp players" behave like they are what matters most in the game. All they do is cry when things don't go their way.
A good example of that is that one thread where some "pvp players" are sarcastically complaining about their exclusion from Chapter 4 tests. (like they were the only ones qualified to it. Pretty selfish to think that way, heh?)
The world does not revolve around you.
A good example of that is that one thread where some "pvp players" are sarcastically complaining about their exclusion from Chapter 4 tests. (like they were the only ones qualified to it. Pretty selfish to think that way, heh?)
The world does not revolve around you.
Lonesamurai
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I'm so tired of seeing the so called "pvp players" behave like they are what matters most in the game. All they do is cry when things don't go their way.
A good example of that is that one thread where some "pvp players" are sarcastically complaining about their exclusion from Chapter 4 tests. (like they were the only ones qualified to it. Pretty selfish to think that way, heh?) The world does not revolve around you. |
those are the players that know the skills out of their arses, they know every map, every nook and cranny in the game and they should be helping it be the best it is...
The problem with those "pvp players" is that some of them are the biggest arseholes in the world and those are the ones not in alpha anymore... The good players are (well most of them, but hell)
noir0
Whats that? *rumble rumble*
Here come the ne'er do wells in there droves :P
Here come the ne'er do wells in there droves :P
garethporlest18
Well PvErs cry just as much because PvP gets some PvE skills nerfed and ruining farming spots trying to stop gold sellers (impossible). So don't go blaming just the PvPers, if you were.
I'm a PvEr and I cry constantly about things when it ruins something and I have to fix something or go to something more boring. Change is garbage.
I'm a PvEr and I cry constantly about things when it ruins something and I have to fix something or go to something more boring. Change is garbage.
Acidic Won
OMFG GLADIATORS DEFENSE NERF!!11!! lol.. i saw a thread on that and i think i almost pissed myself anywho, yes us PvPers want our skill balance and we want it snappy ;D lol... some skills just are too strong and they hurt me 
Cass
Forum is biased towards complaints, as there isn't much to post about when you're happy with everything.
Apart from getting that perfect pink dye mix maybe.
I'm glad that you, the OP, are happy. But why are you bothered by others that are not? Do you think it will make Anet throw in the towel? There is nothing wrong with critisism and discussion. Although some of the accompanying drama could be done without, true.
Apart from getting that perfect pink dye mix maybe.
I'm glad that you, the OP, are happy. But why are you bothered by others that are not? Do you think it will make Anet throw in the towel? There is nothing wrong with critisism and discussion. Although some of the accompanying drama could be done without, true.
Myria
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Because Human beings are inherently stupid and don't recognize a good thing when its given to them...
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A post about how wonderful Anet is and how everyone should never complain adds nothing useful to that process. A post about how, for instance, favor sux blue iguana eggs and should be removed, at least has the potential to add something useful to that process.
Be grateful we have far more of the latter than the former.
Tempy
People miss the point....Anet doesn't HAVE TO do anything more to any of the games...they have your money. Could just sit back and make the next installment and hope that it is different enough from the other ones that people buy it, or branch out into something else.
This constant bitching is what is ruining the game, and its not just me I have read several industry reviews and they all say how GW has one of the worst if not the worst communitees in the gaming world. Game of the year aside. People bitching in game because events start PST, or that the event is gay or that people are noobs and think they can get into teams not flashing their rank emotes as "proof".
People are nasty, just try getting a question answered in game, or for that fact here, that is somewhat "noob".
Anet is great, are there things they could improve on? YES. Is that the main problem of the game? NO. Maybe for once sit back and instead of picking apart things...just be grateful that they even care enough to update and upgrade the game. Say a thank you once and a while and maybe just maybe it might spur them on a bit quicker, than the aspect of working on something that no matter what is just going to create someone bitching.
This constant bitching is what is ruining the game, and its not just me I have read several industry reviews and they all say how GW has one of the worst if not the worst communitees in the gaming world. Game of the year aside. People bitching in game because events start PST, or that the event is gay or that people are noobs and think they can get into teams not flashing their rank emotes as "proof".
People are nasty, just try getting a question answered in game, or for that fact here, that is somewhat "noob".
Anet is great, are there things they could improve on? YES. Is that the main problem of the game? NO. Maybe for once sit back and instead of picking apart things...just be grateful that they even care enough to update and upgrade the game. Say a thank you once and a while and maybe just maybe it might spur them on a bit quicker, than the aspect of working on something that no matter what is just going to create someone bitching.
bug_out
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Because Human beings are inherently stupid and don't recognize a good thing when its given to them...
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You say that with the conviction of someone who has done some sort of phone support before. Preach on!
Liveundead122
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Forum is biased towards complaints, as there isn't much to post about when you're happy with everything.
Apart from getting that perfect pink dye mix maybe. I'm glad that you, the OP, are happy. But why are you bothered by others that are not? Do you think it will make Anet throw in the towel? There is nothing wrong with critisism and discussion. Although some of the accompanying drama could be done without, true. |
Liveundead122
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People miss the point....Anet doesn't HAVE TO do anything more to any of the games...they have your money. Could just sit back and make the next installment and hope that it is different enough from the other ones that people buy it, or branch out into something else.
This constant bitching is what is ruining the game, and its not just me I have read several industry reviews and they all say how GW has one of the worst if not the worst communitees in the gaming world. Game of the year aside. People bitching in game because events start PST, or that the event is gay or that people are noobs and think they can get into teams not flashing their rank emotes as "proof". People are nasty, just try getting a question answered in game, or for that fact here, that is somewhat "noob". Anet is great, are there things they could improve on? YES. Is that the main problem of the game? NO. Maybe for once sit back and instead of picking apart things...just be grateful that they even care enough to update and upgrade the game. Say a thank you once and a while and maybe just maybe it might spur them on a bit quicker, than the aspect of working on something that no matter what is just going to create someone bitching. |
you sound like the kind of person i want to play the game with.
Inde
Because people get involved emotionally in a game. Sound dumb? Not really, try spending 2 to 3 or even 7 hours a day in a game... time invested. Why complain about your job? It gives you money. Why complain about your boss? He employs you. Why complain about your school? You are getting a nearly free education. Why complain about your teachers? They are there to broaden your knowledge. Why complain about the 1 day your internet goes down? The other 300 days it was up.
People get emotionally involved and invest their time into things. It's natural to complain when it suddenly doesn't work/changes/or you lose interest in it.
People get emotionally involved and invest their time into things. It's natural to complain when it suddenly doesn't work/changes/or you lose interest in it.
wynoski
maybe Anet does the skill balance thing to rile people up...then when they go back to what they had they are happy...customer management...hey we trued something so those that want change are happy, and the people who want nothing changed see it all go back...
Lonesamurai
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QFT!
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Oh and Myria... you fail at the consumer thing... Like others have said, we're god damned lucky enuf that ANet even give a rats arse about our opinions... So as I say to most idiots, get over it and if you have some, hopefully constructive, criticism, give it in a precise, well thought out and non flamable way
Shakti
@Tempy QFT well said.
@Lonesamurai I feel your pain brother, so damn true!
To the OP- They bitch because, generally, they CAN. It is easier to whine (and makes for a more meaty post) than to say gg Anet. As Tempy said, are there things that could be better? YES. C'mon though ppl....Anet does alot to try and make GW rock. I haven't liked all changes, but I love some and they can't please everyone all the time. In the case of some ppl, they can't please 'em at all :P
@Lonesamurai I feel your pain brother, so damn true!
To the OP- They bitch because, generally, they CAN. It is easier to whine (and makes for a more meaty post) than to say gg Anet. As Tempy said, are there things that could be better? YES. C'mon though ppl....Anet does alot to try and make GW rock. I haven't liked all changes, but I love some and they can't please everyone all the time. In the case of some ppl, they can't please 'em at all :P
Warskull
The PvP players are complaining because A.net has been severely mishandling the PvP aspects of the game. They released nightfall is a poorly balanced state. The PvP side of the game degenerated pretty rapidly and it has been over a month since the "fun season" ended and still no permanent balance changes. In addition the "test" balance changes presented missed some major issues and really don't seem to resolve a ton. Thus we are faced with the proposition of getting bad balances and then waiting another 3 months to see any inkling of a balance change again.
Combine this with what happened to HA and the complete destruction of the GvG ladder and the PvPers are going to be a bit ticked off. A.net is severely damaging the PvP side of the game. What they are doing to PvP would be like if A.net went back and decided to revamp nightfall PvE in a way that people think might make things worse off. Then they close down all of nightfall PvE except for the starter island and say we'll get the rest of it later. Later is no where in sight.
Combine this with what happened to HA and the complete destruction of the GvG ladder and the PvPers are going to be a bit ticked off. A.net is severely damaging the PvP side of the game. What they are doing to PvP would be like if A.net went back and decided to revamp nightfall PvE in a way that people think might make things worse off. Then they close down all of nightfall PvE except for the starter island and say we'll get the rest of it later. Later is no where in sight.
Myria
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SodOffShotgun
Constructive complaints are fine. Excessive pointless complaints are not and it seems like the GW community is full of pointless complaints.
I remember a thread complaining that the "please take a break" message was offending some people and they wanted it gone. People complained that minipets werent customized. There's a thread now of people complaining that certain weapons are getting inscriptions. Hell, people complained whenever someone made a thread praising Anet because it's deemed as being fanboi-ish.
These are the type of complaints that we can really do without.
I remember a thread complaining that the "please take a break" message was offending some people and they wanted it gone. People complained that minipets werent customized. There's a thread now of people complaining that certain weapons are getting inscriptions. Hell, people complained whenever someone made a thread praising Anet because it's deemed as being fanboi-ish.
These are the type of complaints that we can really do without.
Vermilion
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Guild Wars was not given to us. It is a product made by some people who formed a company to make money. We are customers who paid for that product and we come here to express our opinions -- good, bad, or indifferent -- on said product. Anet, being a company that presumably wishes to continue to sell product, wisely listens (or, at least, pretends to, whatever) and presumably tries to use those opinions -- good, bad, or indifferent -- to improve their product.
A post about how wonderful Anet is and how everyone should never complain adds nothing useful to that process. A post about how, for instance, favor sux blue iguana eggs and should be removed, at least has the potential to add something useful to that process. Be grateful we have far more of the latter than the former. |
Lonesamurai
Before i start, can i just say that I have worked damn hard to become a known voice in the community of Guild Wars and spent a lot of time in peoples shadows learning everything I can about the game so that i can, hopefully, put forward a concise and well thought out point about any part of the game that currently has an issue...
I have, in the past, worded things for some of the community so that they better portray how people feel and reitterate peoples feelings and thoughts on a subject so that both sides of the game (devs and players) can easily and simply understand each other and things can hopefully get done faster... However, I may be about to flame
no, we're lucky in the fact that Guild Wars even exists, and that was my point...
ANets ideals and goals were originally to bring a well rounded game that not only broke the mold, but broke several, whilst giving the biggest array of people the type of game they could play easily within both a simple and cheap package
idiots that only want the game the way they want it... I've long been a voice of calm over on TGH as i, and only a few others, understand this is one WHOLE game and there is no such thing as a PvE'er or a PvP'er only guild wars players that prefer a certain part of the game! The "idiot's" that I refer to are those that believe that not only the other side of the game doesn't exist, but that it has no part in the game and as such shouldn't affect "THEIR" game!
the recent skill balance and HA weekend is a stunning example of the idiots coming out of the woodwork
i do everyday, weighing up everything i do, both before, after and during my actions... If i wrong someone, i will appologize, however, there are few appologies that have gone out usually due to being right
I have, in the past, worded things for some of the community so that they better portray how people feel and reitterate peoples feelings and thoughts on a subject so that both sides of the game (devs and players) can easily and simply understand each other and things can hopefully get done faster... However, I may be about to flame
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Luck has exactly nothing to do with it. When Anet stops giving a rat's arse about our opinions it will be well on its way to bankruptcy.
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ANets ideals and goals were originally to bring a well rounded game that not only broke the mold, but broke several, whilst giving the biggest array of people the type of game they could play easily within both a simple and cheap package
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Idiots? Get over what?
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the recent skill balance and HA weekend is a stunning example of the idiots coming out of the woodwork
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Advice you might consider following.
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dargon
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"Us humans" complain at arenanet because they take 8 years to come out with a skill balance that could take maybe a week to make up and then another week to test if they put the time into it. I do not know the exact math but that sounds pretty close given the fact that it took them what 3 months? to have the beta weekend up and running.
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300*299*298*297*296*295*294*293 combinations of skills
divide by i believe 8 due to duplicate builds with the skills in a different order and you have
4976369139625884000
possible builds for any 2 class combinations.
Now my math might be off a little, but that's a rather large number of builds to test in the time you think it would take.
Darcy
A little positve reinforcement is good for companies also.
As to the complaints, I've asked this myself before and been told it's the point of having a forum - to allow everyone to express themselves. And that is true.
But, as in real life, the vocal minority often gathers more attention. On the forums, the mature discussions get lost in the mass of adolescent comments.
In-game, mature players will pm someone asking for help, thus avoiding the attention of the observers, while the "noob" and "go-away" comments are left in the chat window for everyone to see.
Judging the GW community based on what you see in the chat window will never give a true picture. We are like a huge extended family, with the usual "lock them up until they're 21" and "does he never stop complaining" members.
And to the OP - you also posted a complaint.
As to the complaints, I've asked this myself before and been told it's the point of having a forum - to allow everyone to express themselves. And that is true.
But, as in real life, the vocal minority often gathers more attention. On the forums, the mature discussions get lost in the mass of adolescent comments.
In-game, mature players will pm someone asking for help, thus avoiding the attention of the observers, while the "noob" and "go-away" comments are left in the chat window for everyone to see.
Judging the GW community based on what you see in the chat window will never give a true picture. We are like a huge extended family, with the usual "lock them up until they're 21" and "does he never stop complaining" members.
And to the OP - you also posted a complaint.
Brother Andicus
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The PvP players are complaining because A.net has been severely mishandling the PvP aspects of the game. They released nightfall is a poorly balanced state. The PvP side of the game degenerated pretty rapidly and it has been over a month since the "fun season" ended and still no permanent balance changes. In addition the "test" balance changes presented missed some major issues and really don't seem to resolve a ton. Thus we are faced with the proposition of getting bad balances and then waiting another 3 months to see any inkling of a balance change again.
Combine this with what happened to HA and the complete destruction of the GvG ladder and the PvPers are going to be a bit ticked off. A.net is severely damaging the PvP side of the game. What they are doing to PvP would be like if A.net went back and decided to revamp nightfall PvE in a way that people think might make things worse off. Then they close down all of nightfall PvE except for the starter island and say we'll get the rest of it later. Later is no where in sight. |
- Nightfall balance was either a result of complete incompetence or deliberate power creep.
- "Fun Seasons" are unfun.
- After waiting 3 months for a balance, last weekends test balance was a heap of steaming SH*T.
- Anet appear to have countered ladder farming by compressing ratings making ladder farming more important. They claim we will get tournaments, but "Later is no where in sight"
Jecht Scye
Play an online game by Electronic Arts for a year. You'll think Anet is the best thing since the internet became mainstream. I used to play Command and Conquer Renegade, and the support was so bad the fans had to hijack the game just to be able to stop cheaters, set up new server features, ect.
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Please don't act like an authority on a subject when you know next to nothing about it. Each character build has roughly 300 skills available to it, that means there are roughly
300*299*298*297*296*295*294*293 combinations of skills divide by i believe 8 due to duplicate builds with the skills in a different order and you have 4976369139625884000 possible builds for any 2 class combinations. Now my math might be off a little, but that's a rather large number of builds to test in the time you think it would take. |
Brother Andicus
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Please don't act like an authority on a subject when you know next to nothing about it. Each character build has roughly 300 skills available to it, that means there are roughly
300*299*298*297*296*295*294*293 combinations of skills divide by i believe 8 due to duplicate builds with the skills in a different order and you have 4976369139625884000 possible builds for any 2 class combinations. Now my math might be off a little, but that's a rather large number of builds to test in the time you think it would take. |
Acidic Won
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Please don't act like an authority on a subject when you know next to nothing about it. Each character build has roughly 300 skills available to it, that means there are roughly
300*299*298*297*296*295*294*293 combinations of skills divide by i believe 8 due to duplicate builds with the skills in a different order and you have 4976369139625884000 possible builds for any 2 class combinations. Now my math might be off a little, but that's a rather large number of builds to test in the time you think it would take. |
I MP I
Whether Anet is great is a matter of opinion. Only thing thats great about this thread are the people bashing eachother. Its very amusing to me.
Stemnin
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Someone explain to me how some individuals find any reason to bash arena net? The game is ...
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Are you done bashing us trolls
, sometimes I think Anet is too nice, like the evil genie in the lamp, watch what you wish for!
Bastian
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Please don't act like an authority on a subject when you know next to nothing about it. Each character build has roughly 300 skills available to it, that means there are roughly
300*299*298*297*296*295*294*293 combinations of skills divide by i believe 8 due to duplicate builds with the skills in a different order and you have 4976369139625884000 possible builds for any 2 class combinations. Now my math might be off a little, but that's a rather large number of builds to test in the time you think it would take. |
The world deals with big numbers everyday - we find way to find what is important and what isn't
Observer mode ftw!
Liveundead122
I think I am going to go play Guild Wars.
SolidShadow
If there ever comes a new boxed realease i would love that they make it twice as expensive so they can finally fix the bugs and do some decent maintenance ingame.