ebay takes a step in the right direction.
lacasner
Thank you god, finally FoW armor and wealth will get some of its prestige back
JGaff
Meh, we've seen botters continue unabated despite a few obstacles in their path. They're probably making too much money to be deterred this easily. It'd be nice if eBay could babysit all the Guildwars auctions out there, but that's an unrealistic desire. We'll see how this develops in time, given the financial stake at hand.
jjdefan
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"Their assumption, he said, is that most users break with policies because they're unaware of them, rather than maliciously. Initial infractions will result in a delisting of items, and an attempt to educate the user on the policy. Persistent disregard for the policies, of course, will result in a removal of the seller's account."
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KamikazeChicken
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Thank you god, finally FoW armor and wealth will get some of its prestige back
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Bryant Again
Very good! It still doesn't stop people from buying gold from seller's sites, though. But hecks yes, finally.
daraaksii
MY MONEY!!!!!!!!! :'(((
j/k
That's a very nice move from eBay. But hell yeah, a bit late ^^
j/k
That's a very nice move from eBay. But hell yeah, a bit late ^^
Firebaall
Good show.
I hope Anet/NCsoft has had a hand in pushing Ebay to do this. I couldn't believe how lazy and unresponsible they were for not issuing a complaint to Ebay.
I hope Anet/NCsoft has had a hand in pushing Ebay to do this. I couldn't believe how lazy and unresponsible they were for not issuing a complaint to Ebay.
Shanaeri Rynale
it's a positive move for sure, however what it will achieve may be limited in effect. Whereas most of the sellers used to advertise on ebay, now they will fragment and move to the web, thus scattering them all.
When they were in one place it was probably easier to track, now it may force it even more 'underground' and harder to detect. On the upside it may push the prices up some, tho not paying ebay for the listing may offset any rise.
In any case a positive step.
When they were in one place it was probably easier to track, now it may force it even more 'underground' and harder to detect. On the upside it may push the prices up some, tho not paying ebay for the listing may offset any rise.
In any case a positive step.
Burst Cancel
I don't believe that this will have a significant effect on virtual item sales, because most big operations run their own websites. The consumers are more vulnerable to scams without the eBay rating system, and it may be somewhat harder to compare prices in realtime, but the bottom line is that there are too many people who want to sell, and even more who want to buy.
The legal complexities that they mention are somewhat odd, considering that there is no transfer of ownership. Before and after the transaction, all virtual 'artifacts' remain the sole property of the game company, so I don't see how the regulation they posted has any bearing on the issue. The most you could conceivably argue is that "access to" intellectual property is being sold, but that's not technically correct either, because that access is ultimately controlled by - you guessed it - the game company.
As for the concept of "wealth = prestige", it never really had any bearing in a skill-based game like GW. I've never respected anyone for how much money they had, and I've never known anyone who does. One of the best aspects of GuildWars is that you earn respect through good playing, not buying it with the plat in your storage account.
The legal complexities that they mention are somewhat odd, considering that there is no transfer of ownership. Before and after the transaction, all virtual 'artifacts' remain the sole property of the game company, so I don't see how the regulation they posted has any bearing on the issue. The most you could conceivably argue is that "access to" intellectual property is being sold, but that's not technically correct either, because that access is ultimately controlled by - you guessed it - the game company.
As for the concept of "wealth = prestige", it never really had any bearing in a skill-based game like GW. I've never respected anyone for how much money they had, and I've never known anyone who does. One of the best aspects of GuildWars is that you earn respect through good playing, not buying it with the plat in your storage account.
Riceboi
The economy has already been adversly affected by ebay/gold sellers. They have been around since the beginning. Even if ebay somehow banned every auction for GW stuff the effect of that probably won't be seen until around chapter 5 or 6 or never.
fRag_Doll
/thumbsup for EBay.
It may not have much effect, but it's a step in the right direction.
It may not have much effect, but it's a step in the right direction.
Warmaster Patton
It's all they can do, so go them.
MMSDome
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Originally Posted by lacasner
Thank you god, finally FoW armor and wealth will get some of its prestige back
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kade
and i was just going to buy some gold so i could unlock
mending and fill my inventory with mini pets...
mending and fill my inventory with mini pets...
Teger
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Originally Posted by Shanaeri Rynale
it's a positive move for sure, however what it will achieve may be limited in effect. Whereas most of the sellers used to advertise on ebay, now they will fragment and move to the web, thus scattering them all.
When they were in one place it was probably easier to track, now it may force it even more 'underground' and harder to detect. On the upside it may push the prices up some, tho not paying ebay for the listing may offset any rise. In any case a positive step. |
1) Type www.google.com into your URL bar, and hit enter
2) Type "guild wars gold" into the search box, and press enter
3) Observe all the websites, and wonder how Anet would have any problems finding them.
Anyhow, its a step in the right direction.
MegaMouse
Thumbs up to E-Bay for finaly doing something. And I agree on all the points made, the econnomy may not recover for a long time but at least now it is going to be harder to just buy "prestige" (hopefully this will stop the hackers that steal account info and clean us out of our hard earned items).
Mega Mouse
Mega Mouse
Skuld
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Omega X
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/thumbsup for EBay.
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noir0
IT might put off people form buying gold since most of these sites will.. well mostly contain many other nasty things like viruses, key loggers.. ect. SO it might help more than one would think.
Coridan
so does this mean we neeed a new term??? ebayer can no longer be used to describe the filthy rich???? what are we going to call them?
Amity and Truth
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so does this mean we neeed a new term??? ebayer can no longer be used to describe the filthy rich???? what are we going to call them?
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Wretchman Drake
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Thank you god, finally FoW armor and wealth will get some of its prestige back
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I don't like FoW, I think they all look ugly, the only decent pieces to me are the Warrior helm and the Ritualist Headpiece. The rest people just get for show, which is fine by me, cuz I can care less if a fat FoW warrior is dancing in front of me, I'd gladly show him my 1.5k Sunspear Necro Coat (aka da pimp jacket). I think alot of people on these forums have good taste in armor and they do it without FoW... I mean come on, Ranger FoW? Wtf is that... Or Sin Fow...
Anyways, just because Ebay stopped selling gold and w/e doesn't mean anything, there are probably tons of websites that sell virtual items for any game. ON the internet, possibilities are endless.
Patrick Smit
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Originally Posted by Chop it Off
http://games.slashdot.org/games/07/01/26/2026257.shtml
ebay has started to delist any and all virtual items listed on their auction sites. though they dont repremand or ban accounts for relisting items. so that kinda sucks. but atleast theyre doing something. bout damned time tbh. |
dmndidjit
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The legal complexities that they mention are somewhat odd, considering that there is no transfer of ownership. Before and after the transaction, all virtual 'artifacts' remain the sole property of the game company, so I don't see how the regulation they posted has any bearing on the issue. The most you could conceivably argue is that "access to" intellectual property is being sold, but that's not technically correct either, because that access is ultimately controlled by - you guessed it - the game company.
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The TOS of most all Online games strictly prohibit the distribution of in game items in exchange for real world items (ie cash.) This isn't a legal matter in the sense of copyright violation, since it is a TOS between e-Bay and the seller. The seller could sue e-Bay for unfair practices, but I doubt the case would get far in today's climate of copyright mania. Besides most sellers don't have the kind of deep pockets needed to fight a legal battle against a corporate giant like e-Bay, and e-Bay could get a lot of good publicity out of such a fight--standing up for the integrity of fair play and all that, so they might well be willing to fight hard for their policy.
A quick scan of e-Bay shows WoW gold sellers to be outnumbered by WoW "Virtual Guide" sellers, but there are still plenty there. There are also plenty of GW items and gold for sale. Let's not drop e-Bayer from our vernacular quite yet.
dwc89
This may slow down the bots, pro farmers for awhile. Just like Anet making it impossible for trial accounts to trade with other players - after how long.
Guess selling a coveted skin for obscene amounts of gold + ecto may be over. Urgoz Lonbow happened to pay for most of my Rts obsidian armor way back - I happen to like several obsidian armor skins and some other armor skins, all personal opinion, and cringe at the site of others.
Anyway, good thing for E-Bays part. Just hope it has a bigger effect than I suspect it will.
Guess selling a coveted skin for obscene amounts of gold + ecto may be over. Urgoz Lonbow happened to pay for most of my Rts obsidian armor way back - I happen to like several obsidian armor skins and some other armor skins, all personal opinion, and cringe at the site of others.
Anyway, good thing for E-Bays part. Just hope it has a bigger effect than I suspect it will.
Arcane De Farad
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I love some FoW desing, specially dervish female cause there is nothing nice for me in common ones. Ok there Vabbian top but thats all. And we dont buy FoW to jump around ppl who can afford them. If you do so, you are lame, but if you are jelous cause we can use the markets needs and demand to do some plats. I think thats wrong.
FoxBat
If gold-selling it were that illegal and virtual items were clearly the legal possession of the game companies, Blizzard or some equally anal company would try suing or pressing criminal charges against large gold-selling sites. They haven't in part because the law is not really well defined here. (P.S. TOS != Law much of the time)
Mammoth
Well, certainly good news, lets see how much of an effect this actually has though!
Warmaster Patton
*JEOPARDY song plays over and over*
Guess we wait it out to see the effects.
Guess we wait it out to see the effects.
Malice Black
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OzMoses
Just look for noobs running around spamming rank...rankBay.
Loki Seiguro
lol yes!..ebay gets claps..other sites should do it too
Count to Potato
Too many poeple already have FoW, they should add this "UW" armor so that ebayers will luck out
lacasner
Or at least let FoW people get a refund for their armor if they already bought it, or maybe make it more customizable once it is in your inventory. I was thinking to do that by way of titles maybe. For instance...
If you have x tier of wisdom title u can make different leg customization
If u have x GMC completed u have different helm customizing
If u have x treasure hunter title u can change the plate
Something like that would be cool I think.
If you have x tier of wisdom title u can make different leg customization
If u have x GMC completed u have different helm customizing
If u have x treasure hunter title u can change the plate
Something like that would be cool I think.
Malice Black
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Too many poeple already have FoW, they should add this "UW" armor so that ebayers will luck out
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Or at least let FoW people get a refund for their armor if they already bought it, or maybe make it more customizable once it is in your inventory. I was thinking to do that by way of titles maybe. For instance... If you have x tier of wisdom title u can make different leg customization If u have x GMC completed u have different helm customizing If u have x treasure hunter title u can change the plate Something like that would be cool I think. |
Wisdom - Buy golds 1k each
GMC - Buy a runner
Treasure Hunter - Easy title to obtain.
Grizmor
Better hurry up and stock up on that cheap gold!!! I know I did!
Warmaster Patton
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Personalized Results 1 - 10 of about 1,580,000 for GW gold.
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(I didn't actually click on the link, but I'm assuming that most of those sell gold)
=HT=Ingram
It sets a precedent and that is all it needs to do. These sites and "services" are illegal by every meaning of the word. they are not wanted by the developers, the backers, or the majority of the players that are all to aware that this act is CHEATING no matter how you cut it.
Now that one service has agreed to delist and eventually ban for the act on repeat offenses, its only a matter of time before the copyright owners start sending out cease and desist orders to these illegal sites and start lawsuits against them to shut them down for good. Unfortanatly just like P2P there will always be the defacto site located in countries that don't respect any laws of any government at all.
You mean the same loophole that says torrents are not the copyrighted material itself but a hash of the file, and that hash is not protected so websites can legally list those hashes for download. Sorry but that does not cut it. The Time they spent farming the virtural goods is no more relevent. The end result is not time but distrubution of copyrighted virtural product.
PS: Ever notice that people that admit or support buying gold online never list their in game name in fan forums? hummm I wonder why... Maybe because Anet would investigate them and ban their accounts for it? BING BING BING We have a correct answer!!!!
Now that one service has agreed to delist and eventually ban for the act on repeat offenses, its only a matter of time before the copyright owners start sending out cease and desist orders to these illegal sites and start lawsuits against them to shut them down for good. Unfortanatly just like P2P there will always be the defacto site located in countries that don't respect any laws of any government at all.
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Gold selling sites are breaking no laws. There is loop holes and they exploit them. Despite what many people think that little paragraph at the bottom covers them against any legal action.
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Better hurry up and stock up on that cheap gold!!! I know I did!
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Malice Black
Gold selling sites are breaking no laws. There is loop holes and they exploit them. Despite what many people think that little paragraph at the bottom covers them against any legal action.
Kool Pajamas
This will have almost zero effect. There are tons of sites that sell virtual gold of all online games. But yes it is a good move of ebay.