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Originally Posted by Yanman.be
So this is why I see bots spamming adds for in-game gold again?
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ebay takes a step in the right direction.
Shmanka
Lonesamurai
So? don't fret about the bots, they'll soon get caught and banned by ANet
Sir Skullcrasher
If A-Net want to take it up few steps, they could find these gold selling sites and find way to shut them down. I don't know if it's legal or constitutional to do so. Forcing these sellers off Ebay seems like a big step for A-Net to stop peoples from selling in-game items for real life money. Why not take it up a notch and bring down all those sites out there?
lyra_song
The problem is, why would an host take down a gold selling site? Under what charge? You know, the recent Lineage 2 free-server takedown by the FBI, based on copyright infringement angle could work in Anet's favor to take down those sites.
Basically using Anet property to make money.
If Anet could prove that the gold sellers are infringing on their copyrighted property and making money off copyright property through the illegal use of the time that would otherwise be spent on their server (in this case time spent on the server meaning money for Anet, since entrenched players are more likely to buy future expansions and money going to Anet), the fact that the sellers are selling "time spent making gold" vs actually selling the gold, would be a void arguement.
Basically using Anet property to make money.
If Anet could prove that the gold sellers are infringing on their copyrighted property and making money off copyright property through the illegal use of the time that would otherwise be spent on their server (in this case time spent on the server meaning money for Anet, since entrenched players are more likely to buy future expansions and money going to Anet), the fact that the sellers are selling "time spent making gold" vs actually selling the gold, would be a void arguement.
Bread Fan
I for one disagree with what e bay is doing. I primarily play HA (or used to) and since the company whose product I purchased decided to completely change the game I once enjoyed, I should be able to sell it. Honestly what is the harm in that?
lyra_song
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Originally Posted by Bread Fan
I for one disagree with what e bay is doing. I primarily play HA (or used to) and since the company whose product I purchased decided to completely change the game I once enjoyed, I should be able to sell it. Honestly what is the harm in that?
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You purchased a SINGLE-USER license thats non-transferable.
Shmanka
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Originally Posted by lyra_song
You didnt purchase a product.
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Sir Seifus Halbred
Sorry-if this was already asked or given a response too. I just skimmed through the thread. Anyway, isn't buying gold against the rules anyways? So won't they get banned or warned? I'm not sure... I always wondered this..
The Herbalizer
yes it is against the rules. but just like in real life not everyone obeys the rules and also like in real life not everyone gets caught.
Malice Black
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Originally Posted by Sir Seifus Halbred
Sorry-if this was already asked or given a response too. I just skimmed through the thread. Anyway, isn't buying gold against the rules anyways? So won't they get banned or warned? I'm not sure... I always wondered this..
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Priest Of Sin
It's been stated before, i'm sure, but this WILL help the problem greatly. Most people don't trust the sites that sell the gold, as they can be made to look popular and trustworthy when really they are a scam. Ebay, on the other hand, is trustworthy and reputable (sorta).
Good stuff, good stuff.
Good stuff, good stuff.
SotiCoto
...... Crap.
>_<;
If only I'd gone through Nightfall a little faster.
There goes my one oppurtunity to get the required kit for Vabbian Armour without relying on the devil's luck. I'll never be able to get those rubies and sapphires now... v_v;
Needless to say I'm not best amused..... and I bet many families in China are going to go hungry now.
>_<;
If only I'd gone through Nightfall a little faster.
There goes my one oppurtunity to get the required kit for Vabbian Armour without relying on the devil's luck. I'll never be able to get those rubies and sapphires now... v_v;
Needless to say I'm not best amused..... and I bet many families in China are going to go hungry now.
lyra_song
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Originally Posted by SotiCoto
and I bet many families in China are going to go hungry now.
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(/bad joke!)edit: not being racist :P Im part chinese. But it is a fact that iPods are assembeled in china.
Priest Of Sin
white boy <3 iPod, me listen long time! Go deaf! YOU BUY?!?!
bwahahahaha, deliciously racist. Tastes like.... ewwwwww....
bwahahahaha, deliciously racist. Tastes like.... ewwwwww....
SotiCoto
Seriously though... I'm probably one of the few who considers this a bad thing.
I mean... sale of GW data for real money is still going to occur....
Ebay was just a site where a buyer is far less likely to be scammed for it. All this is going to do is drive people to look to more obscure and less reputable sites to find what they need.... or in many cases just give up on GW. We as players might not care about those who give up, but they represent lost cash to A-Net... essentially.
Naturally I don't see this as a reason to give up as I've never been a part of it myself.... but I had considered purchasing rubies and sapphires online to get Vabbian Armor.... as I know I'll never be able to get them myself in game (and it would take me forever to get enough cash to buy them).
If A-Net really wanted to put an end to this problem... they should balance out the classes more evenly so none is any better at farming solo than the next. Not necessarily an overall reduction.... but enough so farming would be less profitable to the farmers, and getting what was necessary would be less difficult for those who would normally have to rely on farmers ..... which is usually based on existing funds, class choice, etc. O'course... maybe A-Net should consider selling in-game gold for real cash themselves...
O'course.... the choice in this case is Ebay's own... They're just protecting their own interests... so I can't really blame 'em. Its not helping our situation though.
I mean... sale of GW data for real money is still going to occur....
Ebay was just a site where a buyer is far less likely to be scammed for it. All this is going to do is drive people to look to more obscure and less reputable sites to find what they need.... or in many cases just give up on GW. We as players might not care about those who give up, but they represent lost cash to A-Net... essentially.
Naturally I don't see this as a reason to give up as I've never been a part of it myself.... but I had considered purchasing rubies and sapphires online to get Vabbian Armor.... as I know I'll never be able to get them myself in game (and it would take me forever to get enough cash to buy them).
If A-Net really wanted to put an end to this problem... they should balance out the classes more evenly so none is any better at farming solo than the next. Not necessarily an overall reduction.... but enough so farming would be less profitable to the farmers, and getting what was necessary would be less difficult for those who would normally have to rely on farmers ..... which is usually based on existing funds, class choice, etc. O'course... maybe A-Net should consider selling in-game gold for real cash themselves...
O'course.... the choice in this case is Ebay's own... They're just protecting their own interests... so I can't really blame 'em. Its not helping our situation though.
BogusDude
Theres nothing new about this. ncsoft have done it before, after this push the sellers will reappear on ebay again as has happened before. I personally do not have any problems with people selling their hard earned items on ebay, "you are paying for time and effort spent to obtain these items", bot users don't spend any time or effort. The only way to stop these bot users is ingame with anti-cheat software. Some new american law is gonna make little difference to a chinese farming company and half the copyright isn't worth the paper its written on.
Anyone can report an ebay advert for copyright infringement and get it booted.
If its ok to buy someones account on ebay for £100 for all their hard earned effort levelling and unlocking areas, with all items included, then why can't you pay for effort for the items alone. The major issue i'm sure here that concerns ncsoft is bot usage and the big money being made there.
btw i neither buy or sell items on ebay and am very anti-bot, whether they're farmers or aim bots. I have my own little campaign started here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzYMJS4TgLo to name and shame bot users. Feel free to give your comments/advice
Anyone can report an ebay advert for copyright infringement and get it booted.
If its ok to buy someones account on ebay for £100 for all their hard earned effort levelling and unlocking areas, with all items included, then why can't you pay for effort for the items alone. The major issue i'm sure here that concerns ncsoft is bot usage and the big money being made there.
btw i neither buy or sell items on ebay and am very anti-bot, whether they're farmers or aim bots. I have my own little campaign started here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzYMJS4TgLo to name and shame bot users. Feel free to give your comments/advice
SotiCoto
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btw i neither buy or sell items on ebay and am very anti-bot, whether they're farmers or aim bots. I have my own little campaign started here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzYMJS4TgLo to name and shame bot users. Feel free to give your comments/advice
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Fundamentally though... the whole bots idea isn't so wrong; just its abuse. They used to make for quite fun opponents on Quake, as I recall.
RTSFirebat
So when is eBay planning to do any of this? Because I still see plenty of Gold auctions online.
Bread Fan
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Originally Posted by lyra_song
You didnt purchase a product.
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The Herbalizer
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Originally Posted by SotiCoto
Seriously though... I'm probably one of the few who considers this a bad thing.
I mean... sale of GW data for real money is still going to occur.... Ebay was just a site where a buyer is far less likely to be scammed for it. All this is going to do is drive people to look to more obscure and less reputable sites to find what they need.... or in many cases just give up on GW. We as players might not care about those who give up, but they represent lost cash to A-Net... essentially. Naturally I don't see this as a reason to give up as I've never been a part of it myself.... but I had considered purchasing rubies and sapphires online to get Vabbian Armor.... as I know I'll never be able to get them myself in game (and it would take me forever to get enough cash to buy them). If A-Net really wanted to put an end to this problem... they should balance out the classes more evenly so none is any better at farming solo than the next. Not necessarily an overall reduction.... but enough so farming would be less profitable to the farmers, and getting what was necessary would be less difficult for those who would normally have to rely on farmers ..... which is usually based on existing funds, class choice, etc. O'course... maybe A-Net should consider selling in-game gold for real cash themselves... O'course.... the choice in this case is Ebay's own... They're just protecting their own interests... so I can't really blame 'em. Its not helping our situation though. |
Anyone with a brain cell would be able to do the above.
Shmanka
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Originally Posted by Bread Fan
That's bs, I purchased 3 cds. I am not looking to make a profit off the game. My account is r10 and all I want back is the money I paid for the 3 chapters. Anet has destroyed what I once enjoyed so I should be entitled to do as I wish.
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Point is you have no rights if your account gets banned they make the law.
Its over, period. It's called the company policy of user agreement you confirmed to when you scrolled down and clicked 'accept'.
lyra_song
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Originally Posted by Bread Fan
That's bs, I purchased 3 cds. I am not looking to make a profit off the game. My account is r10 and all I want back is the money I paid for the 3 chapters. Anet has destroyed what I once enjoyed so I should be entitled to do as I wish.
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I suppose Anet should charge you back for all the bandwidth you used up? Its only fair ^_^
Burst Cancel
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Originally Posted by Bread Fan
That's bs, I purchased 3 cds. I am not looking to make a profit off the game. My account is r10 and all I want back is the money I paid for the 3 chapters. Anet has destroyed what I once enjoyed so I should be entitled to do as I wish.
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My Sweet Revenga
I have a feeling gold farmers might just pack up and move somewhere else, like craigslist or some other virtual shop like that... But at least no more ebay gold which is good.
Bread Fan
I can say whatever the hell I want, did I sell my account, no. I just want the monies that I wasted on a game they boasted was no pay to play. I don't want a profit AT ALL from it. Only reason I bought Factions and Nightfall was due to the skills needed for HA. Anet decided to change the game which I enjoyed (HA) and it wasn't just a subtle change at all. HA is a complete mess and gets worse everytime they try and "fix" it. Can you imagine the outrage PvE players would have if they got rid of UW or FoW? It's pretty much to the same degree for me with HA.
lyra_song
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I can say whatever the hell I want, <snip>
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Sir Seifus Halbred
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Originally Posted by The Admins Bane
They use to just dish out warnings/temp bans now its perma ban for gold buyers.
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Off topic: Just noticed you have been banned..hmm
Shmanka
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Burst Cancel
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Originally Posted by Bread Fan
I can say whatever the hell I want, did I sell my account, no. I just want the monies that I wasted on a game they boasted was no pay to play. I don't want a profit AT ALL from it. Only reason I bought Factions and Nightfall was due to the skills needed for HA. Anet decided to change the game which I enjoyed (HA) and it wasn't just a subtle change at all. HA is a complete mess and gets worse everytime they try and "fix" it. Can you imagine the outrage PvE players would have if they got rid of UW or FoW? It's pretty much to the same degree for me with HA.
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Granted, the legal strength of an EULA has not been extensively argued (to my knowledge), so it is possible that Anet cannot take legal action against you for attempting to sell your account, or stating your intention to do so, just as they are likely unable to take legal action against professional gold sellers. However, it is certainly within both their means and their rights to ban your account both prior to and following any attempted or successful sale.
The point being, while it's true you can say "whatever the hell you want", it may not be in your best interest to act like a flaming moron.
Red_Dragon56
I still find it funny when I first entered my guild they told me how they got thier hall... Yeah, ebay. The guild leader said he didn't know at the time (he was 14-15ish)
He isn't the leader of the guild anymore
He isn't the leader of the guild anymore
Malice Black
This thread just proves what Ebay is doing means nothing
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10116383
These might have got their gold legally but I highly doubt it.
Browsed Ebay and I find someone that bought 2.4mill over the space of 2 weeks.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10116383
These might have got their gold legally but I highly doubt it.
Browsed Ebay and I find someone that bought 2.4mill over the space of 2 weeks.
The Herbalizer
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Ah i thought it was against the rules.
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This thread just proves what Ebay is doing means nothing
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10116383 These might have got their gold legally but I highly doubt it. Browsed Ebay and I find someone that bought 2.4mill over the space of 2 weeks. |
omg lol. Anyone bidding stacks of ecto on an inscriptable crystalline is stupid beyond all belief. They deserve to have account banned due to lack of intelligence as the sword will never be worth that if they drop in hoh all the time. if they dont drop all the time now i am sure they will as anet loves to do stuff like that.
SotiCoto
Isn't making much difference anyway.
Granted... some of the fancier sales have been removed from Ebay.... but the gold sales are back with a vengeance...
I guess some people just don't take no for an answer.
Granted... some of the fancier sales have been removed from Ebay.... but the gold sales are back with a vengeance...
I guess some people just don't take no for an answer.
Rodhin Kinning
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Isn't making much difference anyway.
Granted... some of the fancier sales have been removed from Ebay.... but the gold sales are back with a vengeance... I guess some people just don't take no for an answer. |
pug_ster
Maybe it is just me, but I still see listings to buy gold from ebay.
SotiCoto
Like I said before... if A-Net care that much then they should sell in-game gold for cash themselves. That way they can profit more from the process and control it better.
I'm not sure exactly how ignoring the sellers would help...
I'm not sure exactly how ignoring the sellers would help...