[ POLL ] Razah Hero - Obtainable for non-hardcore-24/7-players

Shady79

Shady79

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HotD

28 Jan 2007 at 15:57 - 1
1. Razah is FACTIONS STUFF - why only obtainable in nightfall?

2. Razah is RITU - it's NOT a "I can be all of the primary classes" uber hero - My friends and I can not understand why he is only obtainable for hardcore players who sit 24/7 at the pc to find out the build and to get the right group to get him.

3. Why do we get the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing sin in kaineng and not a ritu? Come one anet! We should be able to chose. We have bought factions and get a hero no one wants.



THIS IS PRIMARY A PETITION. I will do the start:


/signed for...

--> a simple quest do get him without getting X gemstones (like the olias quest)

--> getting him without visiting an highend area where casual players can't survive. It MUST be possible to get him with npc/heroes only.

Wtf Its A Monk

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

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A/

28 Jan 2007 at 16:02 - 2
first i think that this is in the wrong forum but heres my opinion anyway...

i agree 100% seeing that razah is the only rit hero in the game it seems a bit unfair that he is in the hardest place in NIGHTFALL with an outrageous requirement.....when rit is a Factions Profession.....

/signed for a simple quest to get him without getting X gemstones

as for the high end area it would kind of ruin his story if we were able to get him much earlier so i think the area where he is, is fine but the gemstone requirement is no good

Shady79

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HotD

28 Jan 2007 at 16:08 - 3
I got XX characters and will never get a razah for all of them (what I want) when there will nothing happen.

Esprit

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28 Jan 2007 at 16:12 - 4
There's a thread already, for those with similar opinions as you.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10084824

Shady79

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HotD

28 Jan 2007 at 16:15 - 5
okay great. so this can be closed. i will bring up the other post

Alleji

Alleji

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28 Jan 2007 at 16:21 - 6
Just use a N/Rt

Shady79

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HotD

28 Jan 2007 at 16:35 - 7
yeah and just use a W/Mo instead of a Mo HAHAHA come one. dont make such stupid suggestions.

FoxBat

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Mo/Me

28 Jan 2007 at 16:55 - 8
No, really. There's only a handful of spirits that spawning power is any good for. (Shelter, Displacement, Union, Wanderlust) There's a reason resto rits in HA are usually necro primaries, and I've seen effective N/Rt and even Ra/RT spirit spammers in hero battles.

Necro/Monks outclass regular monks in enough situations... soul reaping is not to be trifled with.

Cherrie

Cherrie

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Echowald

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28 Jan 2007 at 17:17 - 9
R/Rt with Oath Shot is a better spirit spammer than Rit... to some extent. His Spirits can take smaller ammount of dmg, but than again - on the high lvl areas Rits spirits survive few seconds anyways.
Nevertheless, I agree - Razah for everyone!
Bring back the other topic :>

GloryFox

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28 Jan 2007 at 18:28 - 10
I have Razah for my Paragon and my Warrior, and I must say..

I agree with the OP, I did not purchase my gems to get Razah I earned them, but still I have no desire to spend another 8 months "Looking for Group" for my other characters to gain a HERO whois difficult enough to get without the GEMs.

Getting 1 Razah unlocked for my PvE account is insane!

ANET simply should remove the GEM requirement altogether.

/signed

jackie

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On the Beach

28 Jan 2007 at 20:32 - 11
In other words you want to strip away something to work for and replace it by 5min quest thus lowering longevity of PvE goals even more.

Razah is totally optional. Just like more expensive armour. Just like some expensive weapon skin.

Shady79

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HotD

28 Jan 2007 at 20:53 - 12
yeah olias is optional too and everyone can get him by playing 2 minutes.

Two April Mornings

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Me/

28 Jan 2007 at 20:56 - 13
/notsigned

Silly idea. N/Rt works perfectly for non-hardcore needs. Zenmai is KA btw as well.

Conn

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Join Date: Sep 2006

28 Jan 2007 at 21:08 - 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by jackie
In other words you want to strip away something to work for and replace it by 5min quest thus lowering longevity of PvE goals even more.

Razah is totally optional. Just like more expensive armour. Just like some expensive weapon skin.
More likely then lowering longevity, it would add 5 min gamepley to the majority of the playerbase. How many people actually actively do DOA compared to the ones that ignore it completely, because of its insane difficulty. I don't go there simply because getting a good group takes to long and so do the quests themselves. Don't have the time to do them. And no doubt this goes for quite a few people.

Skyi

Skyi

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28 Jan 2007 at 21:12 - 15
/signed

i don't have time for gain razah, gemstons etc

i want a simply quest, or a series of quests.

Sid Doog

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2005

DR (Drunkin Rangers)

E/Me

28 Jan 2007 at 21:15 - 16
Getting raza is easy , DoA is alittle hard but once you get the hang of it your fine and you fly through them. I understand that it is tuff but it is supposed to be that way the harder the better. There are alot of good groups out there just have to wait to get into one is ok this way you finish them is all .......

Seef II

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R/Mo

28 Jan 2007 at 21:37 - 17
Bah. I just spent 6000 faction and am leaving it at that. Until the Rt buffs hit, anyway.

Blame the Monks

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

28 Jan 2007 at 22:02 - 18
I was pissed because I bought Razah for 50k faction literally minutes before they patched him down to 6k. But whatever, does it really matter?

garethporlest18

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28 Jan 2007 at 22:08 - 19
Well, considering it only takes 1 of each gemstone right? Can't you just buy them? I mean it's under 100k now or near that for all 4.

mqstout

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Pittsburgh

28 Jan 2007 at 22:59 - 20
To those saying "use N/Rt": Please refer to http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Rituali...Spawning_Power.

To those calling it a mere vanity item: Why are all other professions attainable without dealing with super elite crap? The vanity arguement only applies when there is an equivalent otherwise available. Uncountable swords functionally identical to the crystalline sword exist. No equivalents to a ritualist hero exist.

To those saying, "just go buy it": 100k is a lot of gold for a normal player. Most, including myself, never even have had CLOSE to that much. There's also still the quest inside the godawful zone noone wants to deal with involved.

Clone

Clone

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28 Jan 2007 at 23:08 - 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Conn
More likely then lowering longevity, it would add 5 min gamepley to the majority of the playerbase. How many people actually actively do DOA compared to the ones that ignore it completely, because of its insane difficulty. I don't go there simply because getting a good group takes to long and so do the quests themselves. Don't have the time to do them. And no doubt this goes for quite a few people.
Exactly. You can probably farm enough faction to unlock Razah for PvP in the time it would take you to form a DoA group. I'm certianly not a fan of the place, and I don't think that puts me in the minority on the issue.

As for content being "optional" or whatever other doublespeak you care to use, where do you draw the line between being optional and alienating people? Lets put it this way, Anet could make a new chapter where killing one boss in a very early area was technically beating the game. Beyond that, there would be an area with twenty Shiro's packed togeather. Beyond the Shiro's would be other "optional" content, which would compose 90% of the actual content of the game. Few, if any, would ever see this content. Clearly the above is a blatant exaggeration. But, simply put, how much content do you want to make that you're average players want but will never even see?

/signed

chessyang

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Florida

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28 Jan 2007 at 23:21 - 22
just wanted to sign here to...


/signed (sort of)

sorry to sound bias or lame.. 15+ pages.. and another thread... http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10084824.. ya i agree w/ the OP's and most people that agree. just want the dumb guy unlocked for me. I run a B/P hero team anyways for just about everything. Can careless about a RT class/hero (sorry never played one or will ever play/create one).

So ya i guess i'll get him after i do the DoA and set aside a weekend/time.

GloryFox

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28 Jan 2007 at 23:26 - 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by jackie
In other words you want to strip away something to work for and replace it by 5min quest thus lowering longevity of PvE goals even more.

Razah is totally optional. Just like more expensive armour. Just like some expensive weapon skin.
WOW what remark... where shall I begin.

Razah is nether an upgrade or a Hero skin upgrade so don’t compare him to a perfect Gothic Sword, Magma shields in comparison to a KC vendors Katana or Lion Shield for 5k plus materials; Hero’s are not optional they are a fundamental aspect of the game, even more so than any single Elite skill or 15k armor. Hero’s are required for quests and are given away, unlike a special weapon skin, 15k, or FOW armor. Razah is a Hero just like Koss NO MORE NO LESS.

As a matter fact you get every Hero (except Razah) once you beat Nightfall giving more evidence that Hero’s are not comparable to expensive armor. Razah is the design flaw of Nightfall Hero’s no more no less. He is the quintessential exception to the rule of all other Nightfall Hero’s and should not be an exception to the rule. Usually exceptions in designs without an extremely good reason are called “flaws”.

What Armor does he replace, what weapon skin does he replace? How do you even compare him as a Hero to all other Hero’s what makes him more elite than any other Hero IN GAME that require the extreme requirements for getting him? What justifies this that makes his “flaw” the sole exception to all other Hero’s in this game?

Brother Andicus

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Scotland

The Illuminati

28 Jan 2007 at 23:39 - 24
/Signed

And while im on the subject, henchmen should also be allowable for the elite area. I'd very much like to explore it, but I also very much dislike the pugs that tend to form in such areas.

dreamhunk

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E/Me

28 Jan 2007 at 23:43 - 25
anet should just create another hero rt and leave raza then that people have a rt hero

Markaedw

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N/

28 Jan 2007 at 23:50 - 26
Just tag a rit hero to the Zaishen Elite and be done with it.

Shady79

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HotD

29 Jan 2007 at 01:00 - 27
6000 factions is nothing compared to what pve players have to do...

imho... if you can use him in pvp you should be able to add him to a pve group

Jeremy Untouchable

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29 Jan 2007 at 01:09 - 28
DOA sucks, bad idea, bad area, rit hero would be nice..meh.../signed

Tactical-Dillusions

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29 Jan 2007 at 01:16 - 29
Knowing that there is a hero out there waiting for me and there is a target i can achieve other than a meaningless title is a good thing!

I don't want to be handed something when i can earn it and appreciate the effort i put into getting it.

FoxBat

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Mo/Me

29 Jan 2007 at 01:34 - 30
I'd be for removing the gem entry fee, that's just pure grind. But you should have to prove yourself on the quest in there.

Sir Mad

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29 Jan 2007 at 01:40 - 31
[ POLL ]

This thread should be closed because:

1/ The inappropriate use of caps
2/ A bunch a smillies don't make a paragraph
3/ This is the wrong forum
4/ The swearing filter isn't a toy
5/ The search function works now

<- I vote 2/

Frozy

Frozy

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29 Jan 2007 at 04:03 - 32
Quote:
Originally Posted by GloryFox
unlike a special weapon skin, 15k, or FOW armor. Razah is a Hero just like Koss NO MORE NO LESS.
Even more, actually.
Koss can be replaced by Goren, Razah can't be replaced by anyone.

If he could really change his profession like originally planned, and if we'd have another Ritualist Hero out there, then maybe these conditions would make sense.
But right now, it's like taking your only food source (Razah) and hanging it above a pool full of Sharks (DoA)

/Signed

stuntharley

Wilds Pathfinder

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Australia

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W/

29 Jan 2007 at 04:13 - 33
2 Ele SF heros and a monk does the job.

No need for a stupid hero that takes 3 years to get!

navatar1

navatar1

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29 Jan 2007 at 04:29 - 34
jeez people quit whining. I don't have razah yet, and I see it as an enventual goal for at least my main character to unlock him. If you need him for pvp, just get the balthazar faction. If not, then famr or something to buy the gems, or learn to do doa, which is what im gonna do sometime soon.

And I'd be willing to bet half the people who are whining in this thread won't even use him all that much in pve anyways

arcanemacabre

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29 Jan 2007 at 04:35 - 35
Quote:
Originally Posted by mqstout
The vanity arguement only applies when there is an equivalent otherwise available. Uncountable swords functionally identical to the crystalline sword exist. No equivalents to a ritualist hero exist.
QFT! Giving Razah an Elite status above every other hero, while at the same time being unique is right on up there with the "Sword of 1000 truths" crap. Please don't turn our GW into another WoW.

/signed x 1,000,000

Curse You

Curse You

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29 Jan 2007 at 04:38 - 36
Quote:
Originally Posted by navatar1
jeez people quit whining. I don't have razah yet, and I see it as an enventual goal for at least my main character to unlock him. If you need him for pvp, just get the balthazar faction. If not, then famr or something to buy the gems, or learn to do doa, which is what im gonna do sometime soon.

And I'd be willing to bet half the people who are whining in this thread won't even use him all that much in pve anyways
I'm willing to bet that you would complain if you needed a ritualist hero for a build, but your only charater is an assassin (not the case with me).

Why are there so many people who, when someone sugests a change, start yelling at them to "stop whinning" on these forums?

nugzta

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

29 Jan 2007 at 04:41 - 37
As if people need Rit Hero, roll 2 SF Eles and MM you own almost anywhere in PvE. People dont NEED Rit hero, people WANT it, then earn it. Razah is pretty much like UW spider to me, just to show off that you have conquered DoA.

GloryFox

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29 Jan 2007 at 04:47 - 38
Quote:
Originally Posted by GloryFox
unlike a special weapon skin, 15k, or FOW armor. Razah is a Hero just like Koss NO MORE NO LESS.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frozy
Even more, actually.
Koss can be replaced by Goren, Razah can't be replaced by anyone.
You are correct Frozy so let me re literate to make more sense.
“Unlike a special weapon skin, 15k, or FOW armor. Razah is a Hero just like Norgu NO MORE NO LESS.”

Urban Masterpiece

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29 Jan 2007 at 05:03 - 39
I'm surprised none of the 15 year old (or 15 year old mentalities), powerstruck moderators closed this topic for the sake of getting noticed. However, I bought my gemstones to get Razah (along his primeval armor), cause a majority of the time DOA has usually too few to not enough good players to get through the Mallyx quest. Plus 100k is only 100k, w/e.


Besides, I already have a cool ritualist character.

Sid Doog

Lion's Arch Merchant

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E/Me

29 Jan 2007 at 05:10 - 40
Razah is an ellite hero to get hence the trouble to get him, so just go get him it isnt a grind by any means and the gems are very easy to get just get into a group and play real simple, they are not going to drop off the gem's just get the gem's and go get him it is easy if you TRY.