When you look at the things people are trying to sell, you will notice that most of the high end weapons will get modded "perfectly", what defines what is perfectly modded?
For ages, people have been putting max sundering and fortitude mods on their weapons to boost the prices. Everyone knows sundering is shit, and its only pricy because its harder to find than a zealous/vampiric mod.
I have bought quite a lot of high end weapons, but the seller expects you to pay for those sundering mods he put on it. I dont really feel like paying for a sundering mod that I (and any serious player) will replace with a zealous/vamp or elemental mod anyway. Same goes for shields, why the hell do people mod it with -5 20% mods, same as sundering, it's a bad mod but expensive.
People! Please stop wasting gold on modding weapons you want to sell! You're not helping the buyer.
modding weapons "perfect" for sale, why?
deluxe
Str0b0
Well I agree on the sundering but I like the -5 20% mod. It works for warriors that, like me, do not use stances. I run enchants instead. (NOT WAMMO) So the -5 20% ends up being a better deal for me than the -x in stance mod. Sundering though, regardless of the situation, is a bad mod but -5 20% is a variable one depending on the use. I mean if you're a stance tank using that type of shield you're ripping yourself off, but if you are a W/E using Stoneflesh aura or armor of earth then yeah the -5 20% looks a lot more attractive.
Lonesamurai
Actually I use sundering on a few of my things, but only for specific builds...
And people only want to buy max items... but thats how the system works now, but non max modded req 9 max damage weapons, mod them nicely and sell them on guru auctions for a fortune
oh crap, now theres my lil corner of the market out
And people only want to buy max items... but thats how the system works now, but non max modded req 9 max damage weapons, mod them nicely and sell them on guru auctions for a fortune
oh crap, now theres my lil corner of the market out
deluxe
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but if you are a W/E using Stoneflesh aura or armor of earth then yeah the -5 20% looks a lot more attractive.
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Str0b0
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Originally Posted by deluxe
did you forget about the -2 enchant mod?
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Evilsod
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Actually I use sundering on a few of my things, but only for specific builds...
And people only want to buy max items... but thats how the system works now, but non max modded req 9 max damage weapons, mod them nicely and sell them on guru auctions for a fortune oh crap, now theres my lil corner of the market out |
Leave em to it... They drive up the price of Sundering, which lets the rest of us sell it for even more. Same goes to Luck of the Draw.
Lonesamurai
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Huh??? Ok that 1 went way over my head...
Leave em to it... They drive up the price of Sundering, which lets the rest of us sell it for even more. Same goes to Luck of the Draw. |
Oh and i meant max damage req 9 weapons with crappy mods and inscriptions
bad english at 2am and now I'm off to bed
Batou of Nine
I will tell you the honest truth...
Most people mod their "perfect" items with perfect sundering and fortitude mod because they know that the general public is either A) lazy enough to not want to mod the items themselves, or B) too ignorant to know better, paying full price for something they wouldn't know otherwise... or both.
The high end sellers are simply taking advantage of the ignorant market. If it looks good people will give you an arm and a leg for it. Now i won't give my opinions about the usefulness of Sundering or Fortitude mods, but i will say that those 2 mods have proven time and time again that it will boost the items value NOT because of usefullness (again, all opinion because as you have seen some DO like Sundering) but rather based on PURE popularity. That is all.
Whenever i find myself a nice gold low req item with a rare skin, i too would mod it perfect. It catches the eyes of buyers and the more attention it gets the more bids i will get and the higher the price will go. Hurray for smart sellers!
[/end lesson #1]
Lesson #2 next week on the mysteries of the Aloe Seed!
LoL.
Cheers.
Most people mod their "perfect" items with perfect sundering and fortitude mod because they know that the general public is either A) lazy enough to not want to mod the items themselves, or B) too ignorant to know better, paying full price for something they wouldn't know otherwise... or both.
The high end sellers are simply taking advantage of the ignorant market. If it looks good people will give you an arm and a leg for it. Now i won't give my opinions about the usefulness of Sundering or Fortitude mods, but i will say that those 2 mods have proven time and time again that it will boost the items value NOT because of usefullness (again, all opinion because as you have seen some DO like Sundering) but rather based on PURE popularity. That is all.
Whenever i find myself a nice gold low req item with a rare skin, i too would mod it perfect. It catches the eyes of buyers and the more attention it gets the more bids i will get and the higher the price will go. Hurray for smart sellers!
[/end lesson #1]
Lesson #2 next week on the mysteries of the Aloe Seed!
LoL.
Cheers.
Seef II
Which would you rather buy, this hunk'o'junk:
Or the same thing with +30/-2 (-5 20%, whatever pushes your buttons), when the price of the highend items is already so high that the mods are a drop in the bucket?
Or the same thing with +30/-2 (-5 20%, whatever pushes your buttons), when the price of the highend items is already so high that the mods are a drop in the bucket?
Isaac Rahl
I really don't get why people buy "perfectly" modded weapons in the first place. A while back I got a 20/19 sundering mod for less than half the price than a 20/20 (there was a 20/20 up for bid right next to it). I get basically the same functionality (minus a measily 1%) and for a very affordable price. I also agree with the OP about the stereotype of "perfectly modded". Just my two cents. Be a smart shopper buy close to "perfect" mods.
placebo overdose
like many others have said it is obvious why ppl buy these mods for more $$$
a unid gold sword that is vamp will always be -1 health regen and 3 health on hit
a sundering mod has a variety of stats it can come with(all about the same streagth but not the same rarity)
a defense mod will almost always be perfect and is easily availible where as a perfect +30 health mod is much rarer. the prices of these items all depends on the market which in turn is powered by quanity not quality
a unid gold sword that is vamp will always be -1 health regen and 3 health on hit
a sundering mod has a variety of stats it can come with(all about the same streagth but not the same rarity)
a defense mod will almost always be perfect and is easily availible where as a perfect +30 health mod is much rarer. the prices of these items all depends on the market which in turn is powered by quanity not quality
garethporlest18
Seef I wouldn't change the mods on that, unless I got another mod that was better. I'm just that cheap. Granted I dont buy anything in the first place.
Isaac, it's mostly a mind thing. Just like having rares make me feel better than having a purple. Granted that's how it is with me, I'm not sure about anyone else.
I however never perfectly mod anything, maybe that's why I have a hard time selling. I rather make some sort of profit, spending 55k on mods and selling for 40k..no thanks.
Isaac, it's mostly a mind thing. Just like having rares make me feel better than having a purple. Granted that's how it is with me, I'm not sure about anyone else.
I however never perfectly mod anything, maybe that's why I have a hard time selling. I rather make some sort of profit, spending 55k on mods and selling for 40k..no thanks.
lightblade
Yes...all of the high end req 9 weapons are modded with 15^50, 20/20 sundering, and +30 fortitude. Most of the time I don't even need these mods...but there aren't any other high end weapon with other mods.
Franco Power
lol the last hammer i bought for my ranger i told the person to take out the sundering trash mod if he wanted because i wasnt gonna pay for it 
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I agree, why do people sell stuff modded already, i mean u just gonna spend money on something to get it back again , whats the point
, a +30hp i agree but why put sundering in it? Pretty much anyone that can afford something expensive knows or should sundering is crap.
. I agree, why do people sell stuff modded already, i mean u just gonna spend money on something to get it back again , whats the point
, a +30hp i agree but why put sundering in it? Pretty much anyone that can afford something expensive knows or should sundering is crap.
sindex
This has been asked before. Some people do it because they want that extra kick in the price. Many of us don't understand why at times. Is it because of ego, greed, impatience, or so on? Hey I guess you have to look and say, "whatever floats their boat" (I'm starting to get tired of using these cliché’s).
KiyaKoreena
Why? Because there are a LOT of buyers that demand it. Trying to sell a weapon with a vamp mod on it? Good luck! Ive had many players refuse to buy a weapon because it didnt have the 20/20 on it, even though my asking price was way below the mod cost difference they were offering for a "perfectly" modded one. As long as people will pay the base price +3x the mods price for you having it all done for them then sellers will mod those puppies.
HawkofStorms
Many people who sit around spamming WTS Perfect l337 weapons for hours are idiots.
A guy in Vabbi got ticked when I explained to him that his celestial sword could not be given an inscription (well I didn't even use those terms, he didn't understand the contept of what a damage mod was). He then said it was 20/20 sundering with a +30 fortitude and 15% damage -10 armor while attacking. He was really mad he couldn't get 15^50% to be "perfect" even though 15 -10 is "perfect" and generally better in high end PvP.
He then thought he could get 500k for it. When I explained he'd probablly get only 100k he laughed. I told him I'd been playing for 17 months and understand the market, his response was "that isn't that long."
/end rant
^ morale of the above story. People who get lucky with "godly" drops (or are e-bayers like I think this guy was), have no IDEA about how to price and sell their weapons. Granted, neither did I the first couple of months. Its all monkey see monkey do with the 20/20 sundering mods.
A guy in Vabbi got ticked when I explained to him that his celestial sword could not be given an inscription (well I didn't even use those terms, he didn't understand the contept of what a damage mod was). He then said it was 20/20 sundering with a +30 fortitude and 15% damage -10 armor while attacking. He was really mad he couldn't get 15^50% to be "perfect" even though 15 -10 is "perfect" and generally better in high end PvP.
He then thought he could get 500k for it. When I explained he'd probablly get only 100k he laughed. I told him I'd been playing for 17 months and understand the market, his response was "that isn't that long."
/end rant
^ morale of the above story. People who get lucky with "godly" drops (or are e-bayers like I think this guy was), have no IDEA about how to price and sell their weapons. Granted, neither did I the first couple of months. Its all monkey see monkey do with the 20/20 sundering mods.
arcanemacabre
I have actually seen people buy a weapon from me and mod it 20/20, +30, 15^50. How do I know? Because they feel it necessary to turn around and open trade back up with me to show the new and (n their opinion) improved item.
I really don't get it. I sell all my items as-is, and I prefer to buy them that way, as well. I like to mod my weapons my way, ya know? The skin and the Req are the only important things.
I really don't get it. I sell all my items as-is, and I prefer to buy them that way, as well. I like to mod my weapons my way, ya know? The skin and the Req are the only important things.
Malice Black
This has been beaten so many times it's unreal. Perfect modded weapons generally tend to sell quicker. Peoples biggest mistake is adding 50k worth of mods then thinking they can add the cost of mods onto the final sale price.
This is of course wrong because mods make up only a small percentage of final sell price (10-15%).
People have and always will think adding expensive mods will turn their sub-standard item into a "goldly" thing.
This is of course wrong because mods make up only a small percentage of final sell price (10-15%).
People have and always will think adding expensive mods will turn their sub-standard item into a "goldly" thing.
Chris Blackstar
I only sell my items for 10K to 25K depending on mods, I mod perfect weapons only for myself, and I could careless if players resell my item for 100K+xx ectos.
If you are that stupid to buy such an item for such an inflated price, so be it. Smart players either know how to farm the item themselves, or how to purchase what need cheaply.
Guess what, as soon as ebay eliminates the selling of vertual items, prices will start to go down a bit, it's the aquiring of money with very little effert that drives up prices on everything.
If you are that stupid to buy such an item for such an inflated price, so be it. Smart players either know how to farm the item themselves, or how to purchase what need cheaply.
Guess what, as soon as ebay eliminates the selling of vertual items, prices will start to go down a bit, it's the aquiring of money with very little effert that drives up prices on everything.
Franco Power
lol i remember this guy bought a r10 15^stance fellblade of me once for 25k,
and he also lied to me and said he didnt have any money and blah blah, later in lions arch i see him spamming wts, 20/20 +30 15^stance fellblade 100k+, I just thought
lmao gg, good luck selling a fellblade 15% stance for 100k, waste of mods, (note this was before you had the new salvage aswel, so he really did lose the mods ^_^ lol) .
and he also lied to me and said he didnt have any money and blah blah, later in lions arch i see him spamming wts, 20/20 +30 15^stance fellblade 100k+, I just thought
lmao gg, good luck selling a fellblade 15% stance for 100k, waste of mods, (note this was before you had the new salvage aswel, so he really did lose the mods ^_^ lol) .
Str0b0
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This has been beaten so many times it's unreal. Perfect modded weapons generally tend to sell quicker. Peoples biggest mistake is adding 50k worth of mods then thinking they can add the cost of mods onto the final sale price.
This is of course wrong because mods make up only a small percentage of final sell price (10-15%). People have and always will think adding expensive mods will turn their sub-standard item into a "goldly" thing. |
Malice Black
Selling points of an item.
1> Rarity
2> Skin
3> Req
4> Mods
1> Rarity
2> Skin
3> Req
4> Mods
sh4d0whunta
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Originally Posted by Lonesamurai
Actually I use sundering on a few of my things, but only for specific builds...
And people only want to buy max items... but thats how the system works now, but non max modded req 9 max damage weapons, mod them nicely and sell them on guru auctions for a fortune oh crap, now theres my lil corner of the market out |
Jeremy Untouchable
lol, the first few days of DOA being open..i find a req 9 shadow axe..i'm trying to sell it for 35-40k..some guy looks then says" you should put a 20/20 and 15>50 and 30 hp on it" i say "why?' he says " then you could get 100k + ectos" i was like "whatever"....people think the dumbest things
Seef II
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Selling points of an item.
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Cebe
This is one thing which annoys me more than any other now...since Nightfall came out, almost instantly the only items people were selling were 20/20, +30HP, 15^50. So so so SO boring. I don't think I have any Sundering weapons...O wait, I have a Green bow with sundering, and that's only because I could farm it myself...not sure I've ever used it.
When I buy an item I buy cheap items with rubbish mods...that way I can re-mod them to my specifications. It's the way forwards... I usually don't use Trade in towns to say "WTB low req cheap <weapon>, imperfect mods" any more, last time I did that I wanted a spear...all I got were people trying to sell me 20/20, +30HP, 15^50 req 9 spears of leetness for 100k + ectos... Ugh, why don't people read..?
When I buy an item I buy cheap items with rubbish mods...that way I can re-mod them to my specifications. It's the way forwards... I usually don't use Trade in towns to say "WTB low req cheap <weapon>, imperfect mods" any more, last time I did that I wanted a spear...all I got were people trying to sell me 20/20, +30HP, 15^50 req 9 spears of leetness for 100k + ectos... Ugh, why don't people read..?
Zedd Kun
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Selling points of an item.
1> Rarity 2> Skin 3> Req 4> Mods |
1> Rarity
2> Req
3> Skin
4> Mods
garethporlest18
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Wong.
1> Rarity 2> Req 3> Skin 4> Mods |
Skin comes before req. It's does the person like the skin first..then the req, then the mods. At least in my experience that's what it is. Req takes precedence only if the skin is wanted.
ayame ftw
1> Req
2> skin
3> rarity
4> mods
First i see a at the req because its very useful to have. A low req weapon is very nice if u dont have a lot of attribute points to spend (rangers)
For swords and other melee stuff req doesn’t mean anything to me req 9-12 even 13 will work because i spend 16 attributes on my weapon attributes most of the time.
The only time I would consider a req 8 sword is when I go farming.
Secondly i look at the skin, a nice skin doesn’t have to be a rare skin. Personally i don’t like a crystalline sword at all. But that’s all about taste i guess.
i rater go for a long sword or platinum blade. A lot of people will pick rarity over the skin. I find that really funny.
If the skin looks nice and it rare to well thats just an other plus i guess. So i can brag with my weapon as well.
Mods are not that a big deal because u can change them anyhow.
I thing this train of thought is used by most PvP players that want to use there PvE char for PvP
2> skin
3> rarity
4> mods
First i see a at the req because its very useful to have. A low req weapon is very nice if u dont have a lot of attribute points to spend (rangers)
For swords and other melee stuff req doesn’t mean anything to me req 9-12 even 13 will work because i spend 16 attributes on my weapon attributes most of the time.
The only time I would consider a req 8 sword is when I go farming.
Secondly i look at the skin, a nice skin doesn’t have to be a rare skin. Personally i don’t like a crystalline sword at all. But that’s all about taste i guess.
i rater go for a long sword or platinum blade. A lot of people will pick rarity over the skin. I find that really funny.
If the skin looks nice and it rare to well thats just an other plus i guess. So i can brag with my weapon as well.
Mods are not that a big deal because u can change them anyhow.
I thing this train of thought is used by most PvP players that want to use there PvE char for PvP
Stixxx
when i sell an item, i always sell it at the worth of the skin & req. that it has. I never put any ridiculous mods on it, it doesnt affect anything majorly in the selling price.
Last time i bought a rare dead sword for 32k, req 12 with 19% under 50 damage mod and +7 armor vs physical (could be elemental too, not sure anymore). The only thing i modded was changing the inscription to 15^50.
So i spent 32k + 3k = 35k on the sword. 2 days later i sold it for 100k.
The guy who bought it couldnt care less about the mods, its the skin that makes an item valuable.
Same when i wanna buy a weapon that happens to have a sundering mod on it (for example). If the seller drives up the price just for that mod, then he has imo 3 choices: a) find another buyer b) salvage the mod from the weapon and pray to god that it doesnt break c) lower the price
My 2 cents
Last time i bought a rare dead sword for 32k, req 12 with 19% under 50 damage mod and +7 armor vs physical (could be elemental too, not sure anymore). The only thing i modded was changing the inscription to 15^50.
So i spent 32k + 3k = 35k on the sword. 2 days later i sold it for 100k.
The guy who bought it couldnt care less about the mods, its the skin that makes an item valuable.
Same when i wanna buy a weapon that happens to have a sundering mod on it (for example). If the seller drives up the price just for that mod, then he has imo 3 choices: a) find another buyer b) salvage the mod from the weapon and pray to god that it doesnt break c) lower the price
My 2 cents
Kais Unduli
You guys are flogging a dead horse here. People want perfectly modded weapons, and there are those who sell perfectly modded weapons. End of story.
DrD
It's supposed to sell better if you do me thinks....
hubin_at
Why did the game start with those crappy probability mods anyway? E.g. Half skill recharge (20%) is about unconditional 10% faster recharge. But the latter one is actually helpful while you cannot seriously rely on the conditional boost.
Malice Black
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Wong.
1> Rarity 2> Req 3> Skin 4> Mods |
Believe me, I've sold more items then you have had hot dinners. In the trade world (aka not the average gamer type) skin always comes before req.
tomcruisejr
It's called "packaging".
Zedd Kun
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Skin>req
Believe me, I've sold more items then you have had hot dinners. In the trade world (aka not the average gamer type) skin always comes before req. |
What do you think is worth most? A rq 13 crystalline or a rq 8?
Come on, you can do it! Think!
Savio
Obviously the req 8 because they both have the same skin. A better question is:
What do you think is worth more - a req 13 15^50 crystalline or a req 8 15^50 gladius?
Unless it's a rare req, such as req 7/8 uninscribable or req 8 inscribable, req doesn't play a critical factor in item value.
What do you think is worth more - a req 13 15^50 crystalline or a req 8 15^50 gladius?
Unless it's a rare req, such as req 7/8 uninscribable or req 8 inscribable, req doesn't play a critical factor in item value.
Malice Black
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I've been in the game just as long as you have, if not more, and I know everything about the market...
What do you think is worth most? A rq 13 crystalline or a rq 8? Come on, you can do it! Think! |
Even a req7 Gladuis would never reach the price of a req13 15^50 Crystalline. There is exceptions to every rule but in general skin is far more important then req.
Mars Dragonblade
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People! Please stop wasting gold on modding weapons you want to sell! You're not helping the buyer.
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