where's the zOMG no chap4 until 2nd half of 2007 thread?

Im posting this link on the GameFAQs board for Guild Wars. Just to annoy all the trolls that seem to be begging for GW to fail. If you look beyond the "new update second half of 2007" you will see there are some good numbers there for Guild Wars.

"The successful launch of Guild Wars Nightfall and the increase in the number of Lineage II players helped boost sales in North America and Europe."

"Meanwhile, sales of the Guild Wars® franchise rose 65% to KRW 18.6 billion (US$19.8 million). "

"The percentage breakdown of sales by game title shows Lineage and Lineage II with 35% and 36%, respectively, followed by Guild Wars with 22% and City of Heroes/City of Villains with 6%. "

And how many of those are still playing? Those are the numbers i'm interested in, not some sale figures.

I agree. I felt "caught up" with Prophecies and Factions when I purchased Nightfall, but now I'm really behind the ball in experiencing every ounce that I can of the game and the new skill mixes, strategies, etc...

I was actually considering not purchasing Chapter 4 if it came out in a couple of months so that I could truly get my money's worth out of Nightfall. This news actually comes as a breath of fresh air.

Don't bother you just gonna be flamed, and no one will care anyway (sorry if I seem a little rude)

It might be for traditional MMO games, but for GW SALES is what matters. They dont get a monthly fee, so if everyone bought one copy then quit the game...all the better for GW, all that money with low bandwith cost.

And I'm willing to bet about 1/3 of the people who have "quit" will come back time and time again when new chapters are released.

I know I will, but it will only make their argument's less credible.

All these "Gloom and Doomers" crack me up. They just keep preaching how the end is near, yet it still hasn't come.

The financial success of Guild Wars speaks for itself. My prediction: Guild Wars will last as long as Anet wants it to. It will end on their terms. Poor sales will not be a factor.

It could be that they are trying to follow in magics footsteps by having one major set(prophecies) 2 small sets (nf and factions) a pause in between, and then starting over again after words, in magic terms these sets together make up themed blocks...

makes complete sense to me if they do this... i dont know if its what i want but it could be done right and good...

It's much more than that. They said their business model was inspired by how many people pick up expansions for games they haven't been playing for months or a year. This does make GW a financial success, however the community isn't as robust as in subscription games when it comes and leaves in huge waves, which I guess some people care more about.

That is true. There is a case to be had for their business model and the larger gap between chapter 3 and 4 having a negative effect on the community. But to argue that this negative effect will be the downfall of GW is foolish.

Care to join me? Two subjects means twice the amount of numbers can be crunched.

Oh I am so amused!!! Tee-hee...

The whole major update/Chapter 4 interprtation is amusing...on this very thread I have read both, wow...I am over whelmed and the I want MORE!!! In reality the ones who want more and claim that GW is dying are missing the point. I am glad that some people want to get all 8 or 10 toons through all the missions...kudos for looking at things new and trying different things. Grind is all what you make of it...the $150 I spent on all three chapters is my entertainment money...instead of the movies or blockbuster I play GW...and Only GW.

I find things like auction houses and complaints about nerfs to farming builds as amusing. There was a thread about a guy farming 250 ectos in 5 days and someone spending 7M g on outfitting PVE toons for PVP. talk about conspicous consumption...What does an auction house really get you? Is an in game economy that much a part of people's gaming experiences?

For those of you who threaten to walk on GW, throw out your collection, etc, here's how A-Net feels: "SO WHAT!!!???""...GW makes money by selling new titles, if you leave it makes no difference as there is no monthly fee, they already have your money. What are you going to do, tell people, "well don't buy it, I did and I spent 8 months playing it and I gave up cuz it wasn't fun!"...uhh conflicting messages!!!!

...so now since nf is out, they will wait it out and let the people who bought nf buy and finish the other three chapters...(MORE MONEY) and you leave the servers so they save money on future expansions.

Meanwhile the uber gamers with the short attention spans move on and vow never to be back...

Fast forward to August 2007...World preview event...whole new story line, whole new wold for GW...back you come...why? Cuz it rocks and you loved GW, you just got burnt out...PVP has been revitalized and is cutting edge...its the must have game...all the other games out there are getting sparse cuz everyone is coming back...so uber gamer...

4 weeks later new GW comes out with record sales and all those that left are racing to find the new greens, the new swords and jack up the in game economy. Anet then races to get Ch5 up in 6 months to keep the zeal of the new world an chapet moving...all are happy.

and thenthe complaining starts again...

the downfall of guild wars is the fact that it exists... look through the history of this friggin forum and you will have proof of that... *ehem*

i would like somoene to point out a game that has had the success as big as guild wars that has just randomly died over the course of a few months or even a year...(barring games that were butchered by the developers) nothing in gw could be seen as a butcher the game is mostly the same and the chapters always add a seemingly acceptable amount of refreshment. No game just dies, no one thing can be the downfall of a game because a niche of the gamer base will not find that one thing so bad and it will still be alive for them.

predicting the death of a game is like predicting your own death. you can either live in the moment or spend all your time thinking about the inevitable and i guess you are dead already.

Oh I am so amused!!! Tee-hee...

The whole major update/Chapter 4 interprtation is amusing...on this very thread I have read both, wow...I am over whelmed and the I want MORE!!! In reality the ones who want more and claim that GW is dying are missing the point. I am glad that some people want to get all 8 or 10 toons through all the missions...kudos for looking at things new and trying different things. Grind is all what you make of it...the $150 I spent on all three chapters is my entertainment money...instead of the movies or blockbuster I play GW...and Only GW.

I find things like auction houses and complaints about nerfs to farming builds as amusing. There was a thread about a guy farming 250 ectos in 5 days and someone spending 7M g on outfitting PVE toons for PVP. talk about conspicous consumption...What does an auction house really get you? Is an in game economy that much a part of people's gaming experiences?

For those of you who threaten to walk on GW, throw out your collection, etc, here's how A-Net feels: "SO WHAT!!!???""...GW makes money by selling new titles, if you leave it makes no difference as there is no monthly fee, they already have your money. What are you going to do, tell people, "well don't buy it, I did and I spent 8 months playing it and I gave up cuz it wasn't fun!"...uhh conflicting messages!!!!

...so now since nf is out, they will wait it out and let the people who bought nf buy and finish the other three chapters...(MORE MONEY) and you leave the servers so they save money on future expansions.

Meanwhile the uber gamers with the short attention spans move on and vow never to be back...

Fast forward to August 2007...World preview event...whole new story line, whole new wold for GW...back you come...why? Cuz it rocks and you loved GW, you just got burnt out...PVP has been revitalized and is cutting edge...its the must have game...all the other games out there are getting sparse cuz everyone is coming back...so uber gamer...

4 weeks later new GW comes out with record sales and all those that left are racing to find the new greens, the new swords and jack up the in game economy. Anet then races to get Ch5 up in 6 months to keep the zeal of the new world an chapet moving...all are happy.

and thenthe complaining starts again...

If this is gonna be GW II, I hope I can bring my characters over from GW I. I've put too much into em to just throw em away.

But due to Arena Net's business model, no one cares about people still playing.

Yes, remembered that, so not surprised. Glad too, too much to do

If they do this then I really hope they are smart enough to ban the skills from the new series of three from the old pvp-modes and ban the old skills for new pvp modes.

Sad thing is they should. Keeping old customers is just as valuable as gaining new ones. Telling old customers to f*** off is money lost to A-Nets cause

they are not saying [email protected] off...u are right that they need to keep the congregation in the seats, but if they get two new people in the door for each that has left...

GW cannot be all things to all people...it has its ups and downs...there are things I like and things I dislike...I want a monk that I can use in DOA, UW, etc...I chose to create in NF because I want to try for survivor title...is it frustrating with 4-5 primary quests inbetween the missions, yes, for me it was better than prophecies and jing she...at least I could use my decked out heros.

Remember just because you want (insert gripe here) doesn't mean that everyone else does...I could care less about auction houses, skill nerfs, PVP changes etc...WHY, cuz I adapt...nerf my favorite build and I will find another...

What I would really like is the GW community to not be so cookie cutter wrt to builds and teams...try finding a group as a warrior for tombs...or finding a home as a necro in DOA...last tiem I was in DOA there were 12 necros LFG...

Yes they should. And they are trying to keep the old players around.

Those are the loyal ones who will bring new players in (especially if there was a Mac client, HINT HINT HINT!!).

However, some of us are just too jaded to care now...

We don't offical know what or when Cpt 4 will be out or what it will be, so till then we can just guess and wait. Also I believe this is was they said " new major UPDATE to the Guild Wars franchise in the latter half of 2007" Now inless i'm blind i don't see anything here about Cpt 4 just about a UPDATE. This UPDATE could mean anything, i could be Cpt4 or another Big Update for NF. We will have to wait and see.

*shakes magic ball*

--------- July 27th 2007!!!!!!!!!!!! WPE Guild Wars blah blah-------------



----------------------June 20th 2007---------------------------------

Thom: everything is so still and so quite
Orion: Yes I know……I don’t see anything moving….Where has everyone gone?
Thom: Brrrrrr gives me the creeps


-------------------------June 25th 2007---------------------------

Some random Paragon………LFG Gates of Madness--------anyone?.........*chreep chreep*



-----------------------July 26th 2007-------------------------------

Togo: Come here you little brat, come here you!
Lost Boy: Nooooooooo nooooooo Mister Togo You’ve gone mad!!!!! Ahhhhh arrr waaaa




------------------------------------WPE Guild Wars: blah blah-------------------------------


*tick tick tick*………..They coming back or what?

Good news!!!


Now I have to find other mmorpg to play, and I am not sure I will come back to GW when ch4 comes out.
This news also make me to have no any motivation to participate in this weekend event.


Good luck, Anet

I am feeling the same as quite a few of the posters here. At this moment there is nothing keeping me playing Guild Wars, Here are my reasons that I may not get teh next chapter and the reasons that I have defected to another MMORPG for teh time beign (this may change but NC-Soft better put out one killer expansion to change my mind):
1 NC-Soft has effectively allienated the PVE crowd by nerfing several hundred skills.
2 Nightfall and Factions introduced major grinding to go further in teh game, not something that i like to do at all.
3 Finishing Profecies was fun, Finishing Factions was not to much to brag about (only took 4 characters out of 8 tot eh end), Nightfall is just boring only finished it with one character and do not plan on doing so with others.
4 Broken titles, we all know which ones so I will not name them.
5 No incentive to actualy finish the newest chapters, at least with Profecies there was a sence of occomplishment.
6 Fractured community, WHAT HAPPENED?
7 Either inability of others to help or just plain not wantimng to help out new players, they are the ones who will?? keep Guild Wars going "strong".
8 Finaly Pretty much nerfing to death a couple professions so they are useless now except for maybe pve missions.

Mega Mouse

This is a belief alot of people alot of people follow in guildwars and is why all these doom-gloom threads make me laugh. Guildwars is a game that you can quit anytime after youve done a certain amount of the game and come back after every major update. I myself havent been in guildwars for a few weeks, just waiting on the new chapter/stuff to come out.

Is it sad that I care more about the "Next" button at the bottom of that NCSoft article than this whole argument?

All Your Base Are Belong To Engrish!

I'm shocked they're actually releasing Exteel During beta you could barely find anyone to play with. Also not that interesting aside from the death matches, if you manage to find one of those lol. I smell another bomb. It'll be the next Auto Assault *puke*. Can't even imagine that they would make it pay to play.

Wow... all I can do is go *blink blink* and hope that its worth the wait.

Actually, ANet do care that people are still playing. Their model is/was based upon players buying a new expansion every six months. If enough people stop playing, that's less of a fanbase to buy the latest expansion.

Also, people generally don't just stop playing online games. They stop playing one and move to another. I have personally seen quite a few people leaving GW to play other subscription-based MMO's. Once you lose these players to a subscription-based game, it takes a lot more to persuade them back.

I'm looking at other options for my online gaming at the minute for a number of reasons. Firstly, because of a complete lack of information on chapter 4. I've no doubt that ANet are financially healthy and will be releasing a fourth chapter, but a little information would help alleviate some of the concerns that seem be manifesting themselves. Secondly, as a PvE gamer, I feel pretty marginalised by all the skill changes and the obsession with balancing PvP. A cheap free-for-all in the elite missions in Factions? No thanks, I won't be touching that with a barge-pole, I've been there and done that many times already.

I too, am getting tired of seeing the same suggestions put forth for game improvements; auction houses, walking, additional storage, fixed title tracks. Gaile and co. appear to superficially acknowledge these players concerns, but we still havn't seen anything materialise. Syncing lips in cut scenes in Factions and Prophecies? For the amount of time and effort it took, why? SKIP button. I've seen those scenes already, I won't be rewatching them again.

I'm not a pessimist or a troll, and you can't just brush aside my concerns by trying to label me as such. I love gaming, I love Guild Wars, but I really don't see what there is to keep me playing when I could be getting a fresh gaming fix elsewhere.

I'm excited about the next chapter. I would like to get some information soon. In the meantime, I have finished all 3 chapters, and will now get back to pvp. Who knows, now that assassins have been boosted, I might ressurect mine. However, I'm not going to leave Guild Wars to pay a subscription elsewhere. There's too much here, and such a huge selection of workable skills, I'm not going anywhere.

congrats, i have found myself 4 other MMOs to play and i wasnt even looking hard. Using GW to chat these days and just some FoW guildruns are about as much as i care to do with it these days. Trying out Archlord at the moment since one of the fellow forumers brought to my attention that they had just removed their subscription based model and is offering Free online play once you purchase the box. Not to mentions theres plenty of closed betas to be open betas on the markets nowadays.

Of course do feel free to stick around in ghost towns or spamming your medicore items that everyone else "have", since honestly no body really cares.

As for delay of C4, its a delicate scale:

Boredom(players)___________VS____________Sales(ANE T)

Newer games are being developed and marketed all the time, and players leave for other games when it stops becoming fun or gets bored, its nothing new and hopefully Anet's idealology on how the the game should be can afford them to keep the game going and pay wages. Personally i dont think i will be around much longer to find out- or to see C4 being More of the same .

I have 8 PvE toons (and I know I am nowhere near the only player in GW to have that many or more) and most of them have only finished one or at most two chapters. I'm enjoying the time to get my other characters through the games. I tend to stick with one game for a very long time, and I don't foresee leaving GW any time soon.

same here, i have much things to do with all my 6 PvE char. this will give us opportunity to move them between campaigns, cap their elites, armors and maximising some titles.

If Anet keeps on nerfing, I dunno if many will keep playing, also if they do not apply DX10 and update the graphics/game engine a little more, well not worth it anymore...DO SOMETHING TO KEEP US BUSY...OR ELSE...HAHAHA J/K,,,you guyz are still cool.

I wish the "PvE Only" community would have read up on guild wars before buying they game. ANet hasn't lied to you. Get over it.

I hope chapter 4 is a little more arcadey with lots of instant PvP fun. I wanna see more interactive maps, capture the spawn points, control the castle etc, and longer battles too, especially since everyone can reconnect to any game they drop out of.

As long as all of my old game stuff is applicable and accessable to the new chapter, things can only get better!

I have six PvE characters. One has completed all campaign and has all the primary proffesion skills. One has all the primary proffesion skills and is almost done all three campaign. One has almsot all primary and almost all campaign. Two have become mules, pretty much because I find they are quite boring to play. I started an assassin and am looking forward to getting all the assasin skills and finishing NF and Factions with it. I am glad there will be a lot of time because when Factions came out I felt rushed with trying to get four characters through that I ended up deleting one so I wouldn't feel obligated.

I will admit that PvE isn't to great in GW (although I particularly liked some of the early missions of NF, and that they added some that require little or no fighting: the courtcase type and the day of lyss) but PvP always makes me keep playing. If Factions didn't introduce the new forms of PvP I don't think I would still be playing. Whenever I get bored of PvE I go to PvP which gets my interest back up. GW was meant to be a PvP game, it is only natural that the skill balances they do are FOR PVP. If you are a person who can't adapt to a skill change then maybe GW isn't for you.

~Death~