No offence to ArenaNet, who are great in making guildwars better, but there is some things they have missed...
They have promised a big amount of changes to the game lately, but none of them have been placed into the game. Instead of that, ANet gives us the Canthan New Year and some new "Hard Mode" in missions in elona.
Im not saying its good to expand the game with these things, but they've missed a whole lot of stuff that were promised, and which would need higher priority. Here's two examples of what they have promised but not done yet:
* The Skill Hunter Title Changes to a Skill Hunter title/campaign would come in the late January, and I havent seen it yet...
* I think I speak for all of us when I say we want a way to make the highest Sunspear title...
Ive probably missed alot of things, but I wonder what you guys think:
Is'nt it time that ANet make the changes they promised?
Time for ANet to make what they promised?
Wertic
Tide to Go
soon Wrectic soon......ya how do i set it on hard mode?????
and the lip sync update...thats a big change......when they say big change u think of a huge update with thousands of skills new places and proffessions, weapons......its not like that
and the lip sync update...thats a big change......when they say big change u think of a huge update with thousands of skills new places and proffessions, weapons......its not like that
sasukeUchiha
they will make changes...just wait.
Clawdius_Talonious
Yeah, because you pay them so much every month to update the game right?
No, these are free changes Anet makes because they're good people; with a good product. The poll with the titles was just to get a feel for what the response would be
They got a few thousand responses, there are millions of GW accounts.
Don't think for a moment that Anet isn't going to do what they said they would - and several wonderful things you never expected.
No, these are free changes Anet makes because they're good people; with a good product. The poll with the titles was just to get a feel for what the response would be
They got a few thousand responses, there are millions of GW accounts.
Don't think for a moment that Anet isn't going to do what they said they would - and several wonderful things you never expected.
Mistress Mindbender
No PvE changes, until the crying about 6 vs 6 vs 8 vs 8 is over, which it probably never will be so..... dont count on it.
The Ernada
Wow. Made a thread to complain about having to wait for changes to some titles? Well at least it wasnt another complaint about nerfs...
twicky_kid
Why make changes to the game when they can put it in chapter 4 and give you a reason to buy it?
Everything Anet does will be packed into the next chapter to give you a reason to buy it.
Everything Anet does will be packed into the next chapter to give you a reason to buy it.
Makkert
As a rule of thumb, simply don't expect changes to come at the time ANet first indicates. Especially the more important updates seem to have an habit of being a bit later, be that a day (start events), two days, week (skillbalances) or months (i.e. auction house).
Keep your expectance level low, it helps against dissappointments.
Keep your expectance level low, it helps against dissappointments.
Jongo River
I could stand to see all titles removed.
TheLordOfBlah
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Originally Posted by twicky_kid
Why make changes to the game when they can put it in chapter 4 and give you a reason to buy it?
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If you paid attention at all, the storage upgrades were changed to be available to characters of all campaigns.
Amity and Truth
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Yeah, because you pay them so much every month to update the game right?
No, these are free changes Anet |
Not knowing prices in the USA or otherwhere but I payed 45€ for it. So if you're keeping up with the updates you're paying 7.5€ a month, only basically "pre charged". What about that is free? Please. Tell me. I'm intrigued to know what you exactly consider free here.
I must admit, the campaign model surely pays off for A-Net. Everytime someone asks about what happened to xyz some random person immediately jumps the thread lecturing him that A-Net is a beneficial company that provides everything for free. Get a grip on reality, you ARE paying a monthly fee so get lost with that "shut up, it's free" argument. GuildWars is honestly the only game where its community will punish itself for asking about the fix for long term bugged things (some of which are still bugged ever since official release).
The Ernada
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Originally Posted by Amity and Truth
One campaign every 6 months:
Not knowing prices in the USA or otherwhere but I payed 45€ for it. So if you're keeping up with the updates you're paying 7.5€ a month, only basically "pre charged". What about that is free? Please. Tell me. I'm intrigued to know what you exactly consider free here. I must admit, the campaign model surely pays off for A-Net. Everytime someone asks about what happened to xyz some random person immediately jumps the thread lecturing him that A-Net is a beneficial company that provides everything for free. Get a grip on reality, you ARE paying a monthly fee so get lost with that "shut up, it's free" argument. GuildWars is honestly the only game where its community will punish itself for asking about the fix for long term bugged things (some of which are still bugged ever since official release). |
So yes, GW is not free but it's equally wrong to say that we're paying a monthly fee unless you think it's paying a monthly fee if I buy Half Life 1 and then Half Life 2.
Amity and Truth
And my argument is still valid.
The "free" argument is completely wrong and utter moronic trollish nonsense. So why bombard every single suggestion, every single question with it?
The "free" argument is completely wrong and utter moronic trollish nonsense. So why bombard every single suggestion, every single question with it?
Avarre
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Originally Posted by Amity and Truth
Get a grip on reality, you ARE paying a monthly fee so get lost with that "shut up, it's free" argument. GuildWars is honestly the only game where its community will punish itself for asking about the fix for long term bugged things (some of which are still bugged ever since official release).
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Plus, by your (flawed) logic, it wouldn't be a monthly fee. It would be biannual.
Now stop bickering over that irrelevancy or I'll purge the thread (probably should anyway).
Bankai
From what I've noticed, ANet is probably going to fullfil the wishes. Those who have been paying attention should have noticed chap 4 is coming out in the second half of this year. They're taking more time. Now, look at all the testing in HA that's happening. They'll probably do all the stuff now.
Meat Axe
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Originally Posted by Amity and Truth
One campaign every 6 months:
Not knowing prices in the USA or otherwhere but I payed 45€ for it. So if you're keeping up with the updates you're paying 7.5€ a month, only basically "pre charged". What about that is free? Please. Tell me. I'm intrigued to know what you exactly consider free here. I must admit, the campaign model surely pays off for A-Net. Everytime someone asks about what happened to xyz some random person immediately jumps the thread lecturing him that A-Net is a beneficial company that provides everything for free. Get a grip on reality, you ARE paying a monthly fee so get lost with that "shut up, it's free" argument. GuildWars is honestly the only game where its community will punish itself for asking about the fix for long term bugged things (some of which are still bugged ever since official release). |
I see exactly how you worked out your "monthly fee" for GW, but that reasoning is flawed. The game doesn't just disappear after 6 months. You can still play as much as you like, so by your reasoning, the monthly fee for Prophecies is down to a measly 1.96€ (23 months since release in April 2005, April of 2005 being counted). Of course, this "fee" goes up if you buy more than one campaign, but the brilliant thing about GW is you don't have to buy any more.
Alright, that's my piece for today. I'm tired from correcting posts about how Anet sucks and people are naive when saying there's no monthly fee. If you want a truly free game, go play Runescape, and see how much you enjoy that.
EDIT: Bankai, you are probably right. They are probably taking time out of producing new games to add some of the suggestions that have been made.
Amity and Truth
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Originally Posted by Avarre
You don't have to pay to keep playing - only to receive access to the new work they've done. So long as playing the game in any way and not paying are not mutually exclusive, the game does not have a playing fee.
Plus, by your (flawed) logic, it wouldn't be a monthly fee. It would be biannual. Now stop bickering over that irrelevancy or I'll purge the thread (probably should anyway). |
Well then, now here is your reason to delete it and me from Guru:
Yes you don't have to pay to keep playing as you actually prepayed the fee. GuildWars has also one major difference from the other "monthly fee" games which balances it out in the end. They're using an instanced Server Model which is quite easy on the bandwith, unlike the streaming model of those P2P Games. Plus they are using a shop system which most of the P2P Games don't do.
And yes, due to less bandwith usage and other incomes, it actually levels itself out. Otherwise the whole company would have been allready shut down due to massive debts, don't you think?
And then coming here and proclaiming updates were actually free, just a sign of good will is the truely flawed logic. For one: A-Net must take great interest in fixing bugs and keeping the game in a healthy state. They want to sell the next expansion, don't they? Two: No one works for nothing. They are not doing these things just because they're bored. They do it because they are payed for by our money. Three: The "free" pseudo wannabe argument is overused. It's used to explain the medicore selection of maps for PVP. It's used to explain the missing endgame content. It's used to bombard every suggestion and every thread. It's used to conceal utterly obvious flaws. It's used to make up for repetitive gameplay. It's used to... you name it.
And my point simply is and remains (even if you just delete it because it differs from yours): A-Net is NOT beneficial. They do NOT provide content for free.
The Ernada
Dude, Amity and Truth.... You can never admit that you're wrong and you're always imagining about how someone has wronged you. Just let it go. You were wrong on saying that there's a monthly fee. And no one has posted since then saying that it was free either. Just let the irrevelancy die please.
Estic
Amity, do you know the meaning of the world troll?
jrk247
First of all, Anet is going to fix bugs and other important things in the game before they go out and fix useless titles.
And even though we don't have a pay to play fee for GW, we ARE paying for the game and I know we pay for the game and what content the game came with but when the campaigns first come out they have tons of bugs and aren't the greatest due to Anet not having much time to work on the games. So we are basically paying for a game that is about 3/4 the way finished, and that is why they have tons of updates after a campaign is released. So we are PAYING for the game and the updates. We don't pay to play but if you buy extra stuff from the online store and buy every campaign when released we are paying a little less than you would be for some other pay to play MMO's. And not to mention that Anet doesn't have the greatest servers. So we do pay for a game and yes we pay for the updates also, BTW anyone that had Factions when it first came out would know this because the Alliance battles were down and not working properly when it first came out, even though on the Factions box it said new alliance battles. So that is a perfect example of us paying for an incomplete game and the updates. So don't go saying stuff like we don't pay for the updates and Anet doesn't have to give us updates, because they do. If they advertise something and it's not in the game they can get in some lawsuits.
And even though we don't have a pay to play fee for GW, we ARE paying for the game and I know we pay for the game and what content the game came with but when the campaigns first come out they have tons of bugs and aren't the greatest due to Anet not having much time to work on the games. So we are basically paying for a game that is about 3/4 the way finished, and that is why they have tons of updates after a campaign is released. So we are PAYING for the game and the updates. We don't pay to play but if you buy extra stuff from the online store and buy every campaign when released we are paying a little less than you would be for some other pay to play MMO's. And not to mention that Anet doesn't have the greatest servers. So we do pay for a game and yes we pay for the updates also, BTW anyone that had Factions when it first came out would know this because the Alliance battles were down and not working properly when it first came out, even though on the Factions box it said new alliance battles. So that is a perfect example of us paying for an incomplete game and the updates. So don't go saying stuff like we don't pay for the updates and Anet doesn't have to give us updates, because they do. If they advertise something and it's not in the game they can get in some lawsuits.
Wertic
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First of all, Anet is going to fix bugs and other important things in the game before they go out and fix useless titles.
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Im starting to belive that in year 2010, there will still be a Guild Wars without a Spearmarshal title... Instead of fixing these "small" upgrades, they make a canthan new year and other stuff which wasnt even promised to come!
Its not logical, at least not to me...
Meat Axe
Okay, the updates will come. Just be patient. They're not crucial for you to play the game. Go and do something else while they're coming. Also, the Canthan New Years probably has little to no impact on whether or not they're working on the titles. Anet has different teams working on different things. They have a group for bug fixing, a group for the special events. I'm not sure what group would be for titles, so it could be that they are delayed because of special events, but it could be due to something else.
They haven't promised to change the skill hunter titles, they just conducted a poll to see how interested people were in the idea. I believe Gaile said it would be changed, but sometimes the community liaison doesn't get all the information, or they could have had delays working on something else. As for the Spearmarshal title, they say there's something really cool planned for that, and maybe implementation is taking awhile. Or maybe they have something better to put in the game, like the Hard mode missions, which is probably designed to improve replayability until August or September when chapter 4 comes out.
Either way, complaining that "Anet doesn't keep their promises" isn't going to achieve anything. Just be patient, relax, and enjoy.
They haven't promised to change the skill hunter titles, they just conducted a poll to see how interested people were in the idea. I believe Gaile said it would be changed, but sometimes the community liaison doesn't get all the information, or they could have had delays working on something else. As for the Spearmarshal title, they say there's something really cool planned for that, and maybe implementation is taking awhile. Or maybe they have something better to put in the game, like the Hard mode missions, which is probably designed to improve replayability until August or September when chapter 4 comes out.
Either way, complaining that "Anet doesn't keep their promises" isn't going to achieve anything. Just be patient, relax, and enjoy.
bart
well it seems like the more we complain about something the more Anet prioritise it and fixes it so shouldn't we complain that Anet doesn't keep their promises if it will make them keep their promises?
ikpt
There are games out there which see more improvements, and cost less than guild wars. Anybody who thinks otherwise is clearly oblivious to the entire MMO market.
That being said, ArenaNet had made quite a few changes. Some have been great and wanted by many, and some... kind of random and meaningless. Lip-synching is not a big deal because it adds absolutely nothing to the game. If they gave us new a single new hairstyle for one profession, that would be a bigger update/improvement than lip-synching.
With THAT being said, there are improvements they've been promising for years that haven't ever come close to seeing the light of day.
In conclusion:
Thread starter is half right, half wrong. Everyone arguing should just stop.
That being said, ArenaNet had made quite a few changes. Some have been great and wanted by many, and some... kind of random and meaningless. Lip-synching is not a big deal because it adds absolutely nothing to the game. If they gave us new a single new hairstyle for one profession, that would be a bigger update/improvement than lip-synching.
With THAT being said, there are improvements they've been promising for years that haven't ever come close to seeing the light of day.
In conclusion:
Thread starter is half right, half wrong. Everyone arguing should just stop.
EternalTempest
@OP I disagree with you.
I think Anet has been working hard and constantly updating GW nicely. From my perspective, if these were the only major issues, Anet is doing a very well.
In regards to the titles, they indicate it will happen so in time it will come. I highly suspect there working on higher priority items atm such as Chapter 4, other updates they let us know are coming, updates that we don't see coming.
I highly suspect you've maxed out 1 or more of your characters and there are some of the very few things to get "maxed" out. Nothing wrong with that mind you.
I think Anet has been working hard and constantly updating GW nicely. From my perspective, if these were the only major issues, Anet is doing a very well.
In regards to the titles, they indicate it will happen so in time it will come. I highly suspect there working on higher priority items atm such as Chapter 4, other updates they let us know are coming, updates that we don't see coming.
I highly suspect you've maxed out 1 or more of your characters and there are some of the very few things to get "maxed" out. Nothing wrong with that mind you.
Zinger314
So, yeah, alternate access to Elite Missions? That was promised in July, correct?
Clone
Yeah, Anet has no followthrough. They haven't even answered the questions they told us to ask. Or at least if they have, they've done a good job of hiding their responses. Elite mission access, trade improvments, and all sorts of talk. Thats not to say they haven't made improvements to the game. But many times, the improvments are completely different things than what they said was in the works.
Myrkwid
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quickmonty
You BOUGHT the game as is. Updates and changes are an added "freebie". Imagine buying a new car, and every so often the auto maker sends you the latest upgrade for FREE!!. Here .... change that single CD player to a SIX CD changer ...... FREE!!
ROFLMAO
ROFLMAO
BryanM
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Originally Posted by The Ernada
Your argument is only valid if other MMO's that have monthly fee did not also charge for the game itself.
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It's down to $20 for the lousy CD key right now: http://www.amazon.com/Blizzard-Enter...8&s=videogames
It's $15 a month, and the first month is included with the CD Key. So maybe $5 for packaging costs.
Anyway.
Guild Wars does have an ongoing payment model for ongoing content (or if you simply wish to be competitive in PvP, or l33t in PvE), regardless of how often the iterations happen.
CDittric77
Uh, yeah, the reality is you don't have to do anything other than buy a campaign and play the game. You aren't obligated to get anything other than what comes in that box - ANet does all other things to improve the gaming experience so it retains its fans, improves its brand indentification, and continues to make the content/context interesting. After balancing my checkbook, I'm pretty sure I saw only one charge for buying Nightfall, unlike all those monthly charges that come with other MMOs. Logic and rationailze it out all you want, but the bottom line is, you buy the game and you get that games' content - end of discussion.
The Ernada
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Originally Posted by BryanM
That is actually the standard model of MMORPGs. Standard. Model. World of Warcraft only charged $$$$$$$$$$$50 for so long because they could get away with it.
It's down to $20 for the lousy CD key right now: http://www.amazon.com/Blizzard-Enter...8&s=videogames It's $15 a month, and the first month is included with the CD Key. So maybe $5 for packaging costs. Anyway. Guild Wars does have an ongoing payment model for ongoing content (or if you simply wish to be competitive in PvP, or l33t in PvE), regardless of how often the iterations happen. |
Omega X
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Originally Posted by quickmonty
You BOUGHT the game as is. Updates and changes are an added "freebie". Imagine buying a new car, and every so often the auto maker sends you the latest upgrade for FREE!!. Here .... change that single CD player to a SIX CD changer ...... FREE!!
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Also, you do get free work done when a Recall from the car maker to update the car. And lets not get started about the warranty and perks.
Not to mention that you are comparing a tangible product to software. The business models are not the same.
Former Ruling
The problem with comparing GW's model to MMOs is that it assumes the customer is going to continue to be up-to-date. When you buy 2 Campaigns a year at full price this does come to about half what you'd be paying for an MMO in the same year. But remember, not everyone does that. With GW you can choose to stay in one continent and lose out on Events/Continents/etc from other Chapters and your payment is done, the same is not true for MMOs.
I can buy chapter 1 for like 20 bucks and play with it as long as I like and my payment was 20 bucks. WoW would be charging me monthly fees whether I bought Burning Crusade or not..
I can buy chapter 1 for like 20 bucks and play with it as long as I like and my payment was 20 bucks. WoW would be charging me monthly fees whether I bought Burning Crusade or not..
aeroclown
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Originally Posted by Tide to Go
soon Wrectic soon......ya how do i set it on hard mode?????
and the lip sync update...thats a big change......when they say big change u think of a huge update with thousands of skills new places and proffessions, weapons......its not like that |
ikpt
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Originally Posted by Former Ruling
I can buy chapter 1 for like 20 bucks and play with it as long as I like and my payment was 20 bucks. WoW would be charging me monthly fees whether I bought Burning Crusade or not..
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Former Ruling
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Originally Posted by ikpt
And you'd have access to a hell of a lot more content than Prophecies, even if you only played WoW for 1 month.
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Amount of content obviously isn't a problem with alot of people anyway seeings how GW had members when only chapter 1 existed even though WoW existed then too and has always been more expansive and had more to do.
King Kong
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Originally Posted by Zinger314
So, yeah, alternate access to Elite Missions? That was promised in July, correct?
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BryanM
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Originally Posted by The Ernada
Now can we drop this ridiculous spin that GW has a monthly fee?
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Originally Posted by someone who can read
Guild Wars does have an ongoing payment model for ongoing content (or if you simply wish to be competitive in PvP, or l33t in PvE)
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Your implication that it was just as important to retain customers in a perpetual expansion model as it is in a perpetual taxed game is also totally correct, and it was classy of you to not waste time verbalizing the obvious.
OP, it might be useful to notarize the list of things that were/are going to be done to the game (in a simple bullet list), according to their CRs. Software development is a miserable environment to get progress done in, these things will take a lot of time, and it'd be nice to gather the stuff to look forward to in one place in the meanwhile.
The Auction House has been on the to-do pile since 2005.
ikpt
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Originally Posted by aeroclown
I'm sorry but I think you have underestimated the amount of time and work that goes into lip-syncing. I would dare you to open up Maya or XSI, load up a model that hasn't been designed to Lip-sync and see just how long it will take you to add the required Skeletal systems if not rebuild them all, not to mention the actual process of syncing and animating the new skeletal information. You just have no idea how large of an update that really is.
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