Trade Window is glitched. Dont trade.

Mennovh

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Feb 2007

Apparently there is a glitch with the trade window right now. So dont trade trade any items for stacks of items right now. I would elaborate further, but i dont want to spread the news any further. Just dont trade unless your tradeing for Gold.

Akuma

Akuma

IRC W H O R E

Join Date: Feb 2006

Australian Trolling Crew HQ, rightful leader and administration

Yale University [Snow]

W/

Elaborate, please.

Unlucky Slayer

Unlucky Slayer

RAGE INCARNATE

Join Date: Apr 2006

Sitting at The Guild Hall 2, being happy.

Nerd Clan [NK]

R/

Proof or it doesnt exist.

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

I call BS...

Hockster

Hockster

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2005

I've done a ton of trading today and nothing was wrong at all.

Mennovh

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Feb 2007

call bs if you want. i dont know how it is done. apparently though it will show a stack of something as the full stack, but when trade is over you only get one. Just happened to a friend.

ryanryanryan0310

ryanryanryan0310

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

Scars Meadows [SMS]

nothing wrong here... 2x bs?

Hockster

Hockster

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2005

Your friend probably didn't pay attention to the big red letters saying This trade has been modified. Please check it carefully.

Senator Tom

Senator Tom

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2005

California

[Dark]

W/

Sorry, found out about this yesterday, its legit.
i was showing off to people, put up 100 bones, took them down and put a gloom shield in its place, showed 100 glooms.



must've fallen into the wrong hands cause i've been hearing about scammings left and right
pm me ingame anyone to see it work at Ghostly Sparrow

holababe

holababe

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2006

Goon Squad [LLJK]

Mo/

is it possible to actually duplicate the items?
because if it is, Guilds could make a fortune

Hockster

Hockster

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2005

No, you can not, no way, no how, ever, duplicate an item. This is just a visual interface glitch of some sort that is now in the open and being exploited.

To the OP, sorry, I never saw this at all today.

pixiLated

pixiLated

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

Resident Gutter Dweller

Shards of the Silver Moon [MooN]

E/

Yup, please guys and gals be careful - and I'm speaking as one of the scammed that didn't know about the glitch until just now.

I'm 80k lighter and am not trading with anyone other than trusted guildies/alliance members until A-net confirm this is fixed.

EDIT : God knows how much the scum; I mean scammers, have made from this. I was done at 3am GMT approx, over 3 hrs 45 mins before this thread started.

Also, you don't get the red warning notice "This trade has been modified" with this glitch.

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

Wow, I take back what I said. Evil little glicth - clear this up ASAP, Anet, please! We don't need any more scams than there already are. What with people stealing masks and what-not.

korcan

korcan

noobalicious

Join Date: Jun 2006

There is scam that involves changing 100 dust into 100 ectos in the glitchy trade window. There is a sticky thread about the topic in the High-End Sell Forum.

Apparently the only way to distinguish the "fake" 100 ectos from the real thing is the value that is listed. The "fake" ectos will display a value of 100g while "real" ectos will display a value of 25k.


Hockster

Hockster

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2005

I don't recall ever seeing merchant prices in the trade window before.

Edit: just checked and items do show merchant values. I swear I've never seen that until just now. Image above didn't load for me first time either.

Fanta

Fanta

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2005

East Compton

Ominous Latin Name [tag]

Mo/N

in that screen shot, animal hearts you is my character. I didn't believe him when he showed me but he told me how it was done and as you can see, i showed him 100 axes. It has been reported and hopefully will be resolved ASAP. Hopefully people took names and the hammer falls down on these scammers.

pixiLated

pixiLated

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

Resident Gutter Dweller

Shards of the Silver Moon [MooN]

E/

Not only took their name but took screenies too which are winging there way to A-net as I type.

Hockster

Hockster

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2005

Does this work only with the number 100, or any other multiple? I can't see anyone really expecting to buy 100 ecto for under 100K. But 10, definately.

pixiLated

pixiLated

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

Resident Gutter Dweller

Shards of the Silver Moon [MooN]

E/

Was 10 for me Hockster.

Wretchman Drake

Wretchman Drake

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

Charr Carvings and [BeeR]

damn someone beat me to it >_<

Hockster

Hockster

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by pixiLated
Was 10 for me Hockster.
Damn, lots are going to get suckered on this.

LJz

LJz

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2006

ind

We All Hate (Pugz)

Mo/Me

KK here is how u do it after bout hour looking and trying it w/ guildie!!!!

i am buyer by the way item i am buying is 100 ecto,so i must give u 100 ecto right (trade window is open)

FIRST:i have a stack of 101 ecto a stack of 101 bones and a stack of 1 ecto


now i put in window 100ecto, then take it out(bo not hit submit)
i put in 100 bones and hit submit and then modify and take those out
THEN put in your 1 ecto stack and it shows up 100 ecto's

if u do not believe there is a glitch i will buy anything u have for 249ecto
but u can PM me in game under X Green X and i will show u!!

pixiLated

pixiLated

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

Resident Gutter Dweller

Shards of the Silver Moon [MooN]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockster
Damn, lots are going to get suckered on this.
I just checked and my screenies were taken at 3.19am GMT, the thread time for the OP is 6.45am GMT. I can't even begin to imagine how many people got shafted in those 3 odd hours, and I can bet I certainly wasn't the first to be shafted to before 3.19am.

Karlos

Karlos

Master of Mallyx

Join Date: Oct 2005

The Kaizen Order [Kaiz]

E/Me

We tested it now, and the way it works is:

place any quanitity of ectos, remove it, place the exact same quantity of something else.. Submit.

Now, modify, remove thematerial stack, place 1 ecto, submit. Other player sees the old stack number of ectos instead of just 1.

I am documenting the excat steps in hopes this will help ANet find the bug faster and fix it faster. In the mean time, I suggest people hold off on trading for stacks of ectos till this is fixed.

**Edit:

Ok, after further testing, a few more observations:

1) The ecto offered in the end has to be separate from the original ectos offered.
2) The number of ectos in the stack of ectos and other material do not have to match. I think the glitch is that, when one item is offered (i.e. there's no counter on the top right corner) it retains the count from the previous stack that was there. I think it's a display glitch.

Gaile Gray

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

Thank you for these reports. It's very, very good that you've let us know, and I've talked to players in the game, as well, to get details.

I have sent an email, am IMing, and will be phoning very shortly.

Thanks again.

Karlos

Karlos

Master of Mallyx

Join Date: Oct 2005

The Kaizen Order [Kaiz]

E/Me

Thanks Gaile. For now, also, an easy way to identify this scam is to not accept a modified offer that contains stacks. Simply close the trade window and re-open it. This scam cannot be carried out without modifying the offer.

Gaile Gray

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Karlos
Thanks Gaile. For now, also, an easy way to identify this scam is to not accept a modified offer that contains stacks. Simply close the trade window and re-open it. This scam cannot be carried out without modifying the offer.
Excellent advice!

READ ABOVE PLEASE!!

Ajora

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

There Is A Cow Level

W/A

As interesting as this bug is, I'm more interested in how long this bug has been around. I've heard many times people have complained about this very thing, a stack of ecto turning into one, and everyone passed them off as liars since they had no proof. Judging from the amount of people complaining, I wonder if a rollback is going to be a good idea? Any punishment for people who abused? Very interesting indeed.

Hockster

Hockster

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by pixiLated
I just checked and my screenies were taken at 3.19am GMT, the thread time for the OP is 6.45am GMT. I can't even begin to imagine how many people got shafted in those 3 odd hours, and I can bet I certainly wasn't the first to be shafted to before 3.19am.
I dropped into ToA a while ago, and the numbers are staggering. The "bots" are scoring huge from this.

Elnai

Elnai

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

Top Rating Loss Guild 5/25

Maybe.. I don't really know.

R/

When was it updated that merch value was put in trade window?

Hockster

Hockster

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2005

Not sure when merch values were added. As for a rollback, that is an absolutely ridiculous notion.

Skuld

Skuld

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Thousend Tigers Apund Ur Head [Ttgr]

A/

Guild leader lost 100k before hearing about this, haha >.<

Ajora

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

There Is A Cow Level

W/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockster
As for a rollback, that is an absolutely ridiculous notion.
Is it really though? This isn't just a scam, it's a bug being abused. If a bug affects a large number of people it would not surprise me if a rollback was done.

Hockster

Hockster

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2005

This only affects a few hundred people perhaps. The last rollback affected the entire game. Slight difference there.

tknorris

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2006

The Kaizen Order [Kaiz]

N/Mo

Further information, after playing around with this a while in our guild. We've found that the most efficient way to do this is a stack on 1 ecto, and a stack of N+1 other items. The key is to make sure that when you offer the 2nd stack (i.e. the other items), you split them when you put them in the trade window (e.g. if you are holding 50 in your inventory, you only put at most 49 in the trade window). If you put the whole 2nd stack in the trade window it results in the correct amount of ecto being shown.

Ajora

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2005

There Is A Cow Level

W/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockster
This only affects a few hundred people perhaps.
Yeah, let me pull out numbers from thin air too. You don't know how many people were affected. You can't possibly know. Nobody knows when this bug was introduced, discovered, anything of the sort. If you're going to make a point don't do it with fake numbers.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hockster
The last rollback affected the entire game. Slight difference there.
Uhh, yeah, a rollback does affect the whole game. This point makes no sense. If you mean the bug the rollback fixed affected the whole game, you're mistaken. Not everyone got rich from the trader resets. But how does getting rich from a trader reset, a bug, differ from getting rich by scamming somebody with a trade window exploit, a bug?

Gaile Gray

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

We're relaying messages and a fix is being worked on now.

Thanks again for the prompt report!

Hockster

Hockster

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2005

Yeah, I put an exact number in there and said it was definately that much. Give your head a shake. You have even less of a clue, yet you start calling for a rollback. Utterly ridiculous. Ten hours of downtime over something that will not affect a large majority of the game population? That sounds like a real good idea.

Tide to Go

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2006

I War Torn I [Torn]

N/Me

its fixed.......

Hockster

Hockster

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tide to Go
its fixed.......
Without a new build being pushed through? Unlikely.