Mending is the best PvE skill in the game!
HawkofStorms
Honestly, the fact that this guy is a representative of a.net disgusts me.
Cherng Butter
If health regeneration turns off pve monsters, wouldn't succor be a better investment for an adrenaline warrior?
Off topic, but I still haven't unlocked mending for my account, after 5 campaign completions, 275k faction...haha. oh well
Off topic, but I still haven't unlocked mending for my account, after 5 campaign completions, 275k faction...haha. oh well
arcanemacabre
I don't know about you guys, but this part really disgusted me:
Well, not word-for-word what it said... but paraphrased.
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PvEers are a bunch of f***ing noobs.
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Well, not word-for-word what it said... but paraphrased.
Redfeather1975
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Originally Posted by Cherng Butter
If health regeneration turns off pve monsters, wouldn't succor be a better investment for an adrenaline warrior?
Off topic, but I still haven't unlocked mending for my account, after 5 campaign completions, 275k faction...haha. oh well |
divinechancellor
I use mending for 2 builds: 55 monk and 55 BiP (with protective bond :])
So ive found use for mending and the over nerfed protective bond
So ive found use for mending and the over nerfed protective bond
Tea Girl
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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms
Honestly, the fact that this guy is a representative of a.net disgusts me.
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I don't see any problems for ANYONE to voice their observations of the game. Mending is a very common skill for many pve builds. I.E. Wammo runners, 55 monks... etc... Well, actully u can run around in 70% of pve areas (most of them are low level areas) with Mending.
I am not saying Mending is the best uberpwnage pve skill ever, but alot of people use it in pve despite of its limitations. But as he pointed out, Mending is not a very useful/valuable skill in PVP. It's just a comparsion of two different scenarios and there is nothing wrong with it. Why are you so offended by it? O.o
Haggard
OK, I'm not saying it's useless. But by no stretch of the imagination is it the most useful skill in PvE, nor does any build 'rely' on it anymore than the other skills.
Perkunas
It is odd that I see so many people bashing Mending, when several builds listed on the tested and 'approved by the community' lists have mending. Either Mending does good, or the builds are out of date, due to 'nerfing'.
Just an observation.
Just an observation.
Thom Bangalter
I've never approved any build with mending. Unless you're talking about wiki, in which case, all the vetted builds are horrible.
Skuld
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I've never approved any build with mending. Unless you're talking about wiki, in which case, all the vetted builds are horrible.
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And the article fails.
zwei2stein
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Originally Posted by Redfeather1975
I think the warrior should want the monsters to attack them instead. So I'm guessing a warrior wouldn't want to use either. I'm just guessing here, I really don't know about all this to well.
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If YOU do not need energy, you can afford it.
Avarre
Regardless of the terminology, promoting mending to newer players by saying it is 'hailed' as such is giving the wrong examples and lessons to new players - the most important factor in an online game - and does not serve to help them improve.
Then again, given the track record of PvP articles, I suppose this should have been expected.
Then again, given the track record of PvP articles, I suppose this should have been expected.
Etta
Is it April Fool already?
glountz
For the same attribute point dispense (8), Mystic regeneration is so much better.
Kuldebar Valiturus
The drama reeks.
Talk about people that lack any perspective.
Talk about overreaction and outright spitefulness.
It is a one page article that highlights SOME common skill bar pitfalls. It isn't the Encylopedia Galactica and it isn't meant to represent the totality of human civilization and thought. It's an article.
The author states his purpose and scope:
If you want to take a sentence here or there in the article without considering the context of the whole, then don't ever expect to win any reading comprehension awards anytime soon.
Some of you are so rabidly foaming at the mouth that your pettiness at picking fights knows no bounds.
Once people start acting fanatical there is simply no room left for reason or civil discussion.
Talk about people that lack any perspective.
Talk about overreaction and outright spitefulness.
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| The following are some skills I see constantly in Hero Battles and Random Arenas, almost always on the losing team. Most of them are useful in PvE, but they just don't work as well against human opponents. |
The author states his purpose and scope:
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| In this article I'll try to point out the most common mistakes PvE players make when trying PvP, as well as basic concepts a lot of beginner players don't immediately grasp. |
Some of you are so rabidly foaming at the mouth that your pettiness at picking fights knows no bounds.
Once people start acting fanatical there is simply no room left for reason or civil discussion.
manitoba1073
come on we all know archane echo mending rules all
Lonesamurai
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I don't know about you guys, but this part really disgusted me:
Well, not word-for-word what it said... but paraphrased. |
Oh and does anyone else have a strong urge to punch the guy that wrote it in the face?
So, if you see this man:
Adam Sunstrom
in the street, in the pub, or you break into his house...
punch him in the face for me
platinumfoil
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Oh and does anyone else have a strong urge to punch the guy that wrote it in the face?
punch him in the face for me |
makes me wonder if people may punch you if they disagree with you.
But best part, it appears u asking for other people to do it for you.
Do the GW-community a favour and uninstall.
Some might also wanna learn the meaning of "many" oppose to all and most, and read the actual thread,
instead of goin by the OP's opening title
on topic:
As any other skill, mending has its pro's and cons in dif situations,
my 3 1/2 ct's
Kuldebar Valiturus
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hahahaha, best post so far!
Oh and does anyone else have a strong urge to punch the guy that wrote it in the face? So, if you see this man: Adam Sunstrom  in the street, in the pub, or you break into his house... punch him in the face for me |
Such passion for something as mundane as an introduction article about basic PvP concepts! Indeed, the face that launched a thousand posts!
I'd hate to see how emotions would be aroused to full flaming drama over such things as coed dancing, or ankle length dresses. <gasp>
I haven't seen any posts yet in this thread that actually establishes fault with what the article writer said.
There's plenty of people making up things about what he said and jumping to tortured conclusions via their own rabid assumptions. And there's plenty of people treating ANet like they themselves were bent over and roughly used by every employee in the company. The spectacle is very entertaining but of dubious educational value.
It's a good thing these forums don't actually represent what most Guild Wars players think. We are very vocal here, but we don't actually own the majority share of reality.
You realize that Adam S. probably has access to ANet's skill usage stats? And that he might actually be basing his statements on actual facts instead of pulling them out of his posterior like so many posters on this forum are apt to do?
Getting all out of sorts about an article aimed at novice PvP'ers just indicates a reason why most people don't invest much time in the Guild Wars in-game community.
Pointing your fingers and laughing at people may make you feel superior, but it certainly doesn't make you of any actual benefit to other people.
To all those experts out there, being so turgidly full of wisdom and insight, go write your own advice column, eh?
Admittedly, I don't think that's what you are full of at all.
Lonesamurai
His article is in no way helpful tot he community, nor does it reflect anything to do with the game...
As has been said above, it blatantly refers to the PvE population as being a bunch of noobs and although there is indeed a large population of idiots in the Guild Wars community, blatantly outing them like that on the Guild wars main website is the most callous and stupid thing i have ever seen!
FFS, people wonder why he game is getting boring and people are leaving it, then they put this drivel on the main site? If i wasn't working my ass off for the community (of which, hopefully, we will see happening soon), I would indeed quit and not come back
EDIT ~ besides, you obviously didn't see the humorous side of my post and for that I pity you for taking it seriously
besides, how many times have you seen a warrior using mending to counteract a vampiric weapon? quite a lot actually and its just stupid!
As has been said above, it blatantly refers to the PvE population as being a bunch of noobs and although there is indeed a large population of idiots in the Guild Wars community, blatantly outing them like that on the Guild wars main website is the most callous and stupid thing i have ever seen!
FFS, people wonder why he game is getting boring and people are leaving it, then they put this drivel on the main site? If i wasn't working my ass off for the community (of which, hopefully, we will see happening soon), I would indeed quit and not come back
EDIT ~ besides, you obviously didn't see the humorous side of my post and for that I pity you for taking it seriously
besides, how many times have you seen a warrior using mending to counteract a vampiric weapon? quite a lot actually and its just stupid!
Kuldebar Valiturus
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His article is in no way helpful tot he community, nor does it reflect anything to do with the game...
As has been said above, it blatantly refers to the PvE population as being a bunch of noobs and although there is indeed a large population of idiots in the Guild Wars community, blatantly outing them like that on the Guild wars main website is the most callous and stupid thing i have ever seen! |
As long as you are so willing to find insult where none was given, it's unlikely any discussion can have a positive effect. It is your statement alone that paints a "large" portion of the Guild Wars community as "idiots", something Adam's article clearly did not do.
Hypocrisy is fun, but it can't handle looking at itself in the mirror.
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EDIT ~ besides, you obviously didn't see the humorous side of my post and for that I pity you for taking it seriously
besides, how many times have you seen a warrior using mending to counteract a vampiric weapon? quite a lot actually and its just stupid! |
HalPlantagenet
I find it interesting that for almost every profession there are a small number (some times only 1) skills the value of which are constantly debated at varying levels of wit and competency. Barrage, Energy Surge, Mending, etc. come to mind. IMHO, they're usually skills that are useful in some circumstances but not extraordinary, yet they receive an inordinate share of attention from the posting community and provoke extreme opinions.
Kos Luftar
I actuly used to use Watchful Spirit to counter the Poison I got from the spiders in FOW beach when I used to do FoW runs. Haven't done that since about Factions released.
wynoski
ah...the elitism...ah the PVE vs. PvP flame wars...Its nice to see that someone got their "Wiki builds are crap" dig in there...
So to the scoffers, the elitists...why is mending so bad? So strip enchant is out there...most PVE mobs have one or two enchant removal people, if they strip it, I go find the monster, kill them and reapply mending...(not really, I don't use it)
For PVP...my experience is mostly FA and AB...Enchants can hurt there, but its a gamble that somone on the other side is not going to have enchant removal...even then, the enchant removal usually has a long recharge. but to the authors point, it is a skill MORE suited to PVE than PVP.
As for Wiki builds...yes they are mainstream, yes they have their weaknesses, yes I run builds that have been flamed by Wiki, BUT, Wiki builds are useful...How?...Why? I like reading and using wiki builds ESPECIALLY the unfavored builds. I like reading the thought process of the author and then trying to derive my own build.
The Wiki builds (and campfire builds) introduced me to proper skill selection adn got me thinking beyond...I did not like blood magic because as a noob, I did not understand health sacrifice...Wiki changed, so Wiki is not gospel, but the builds have a solid purpose.
So to the scoffers, the elitists...why is mending so bad? So strip enchant is out there...most PVE mobs have one or two enchant removal people, if they strip it, I go find the monster, kill them and reapply mending...(not really, I don't use it)
For PVP...my experience is mostly FA and AB...Enchants can hurt there, but its a gamble that somone on the other side is not going to have enchant removal...even then, the enchant removal usually has a long recharge. but to the authors point, it is a skill MORE suited to PVE than PVP.
As for Wiki builds...yes they are mainstream, yes they have their weaknesses, yes I run builds that have been flamed by Wiki, BUT, Wiki builds are useful...How?...Why? I like reading and using wiki builds ESPECIALLY the unfavored builds. I like reading the thought process of the author and then trying to derive my own build.
The Wiki builds (and campfire builds) introduced me to proper skill selection adn got me thinking beyond...I did not like blood magic because as a noob, I did not understand health sacrifice...Wiki changed, so Wiki is not gospel, but the builds have a solid purpose.
KANE OG
Like it? Use it! Get flamed....
Don't like it? Don't use it! Get flamed...
Move on.
There! Everyone's happy, even the flamers.
Don't like it? Don't use it! Get flamed...
Move on.
There! Everyone's happy, even the flamers.
Kuldebar Valiturus
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ah...the elitism...ah the PVE vs. PvP flame wars...Its nice to see that someone got their "Wiki builds are crap" dig in there...
So to the scoffers, the elitists...why is mending so bad? So strip enchant is out there...most PVE mobs have one or two enchant removal people, if they strip it, I go find the monster, kill them and reapply mending...(not really, I don't use it) For PVP...my experience is mostly FA and AB...Enchants can hurt there, but its a gamble that somone on the other side is not going to have enchant removal...even then, the enchant removal usually has a long recharge. but to the authors point, it is a skill MORE suited to PVE than PVP. As for Wiki builds...yes they are mainstream, yes they have their weaknesses, yes I run builds that have been flamed by Wiki, BUT, Wiki builds are useful...How?...Why? I like reading and using wiki builds ESPECIALLY the unfavored builds. I like reading the thought process of the author and then trying to derive my own build. The Wiki builds (and campfire builds) introduced me to proper skill selection adn got me thinking beyond...I did not like blood magic because as a noob, I did not understand health sacrifice...Wiki changed, so Wiki is not gospel, but the builds have a solid purpose. |
Please edit your post and make it contain unwavering hatred of all things ANet and complete and utter derision for people that don't know everything there is to know about Guild Wars and the entire holographic universe.
Rene Saliere
Adam Sunstrom is never going to make the transition to Post Searing with those PvE builds of his though.
wynoski
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You are being entirely too reasonable, Wynoski.
Please edit your post and make it contain unwavering hatred of all things ANet and complete and utter derision for people that don't know everything there is to know about Guild Wars and the entire holographic universe. |
my bad...how's thisSTFU all you mending losers...don't try to get in my group you echo mending using uber-noob!!! Grrr
*** (sarcasm) I use my own special build that lets me win DOA solo while going AFK and turnign the computer off...the rest of you are all noobs
***What we are in PVP and you are using MENDING!!!! NOOB, I will RAGE QUIT in protest and spam noob!!!
BTW, I can't sahre my extra special builds because you would not understand them you are soo noobish.
How's that? Better? In all honesty, that hurt to write...the GW community becomes stronger by helping and teaching the noobs...Who knows..help that noob, and in a few weeks he may come up with a build or an approach that pwns you...now you can no longer sit in LA or TA and spam "I'm Bored"
Lonesamurai
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Your way off on your characterizations of the article.
As long as you are so willing to find insult where none was given, it's unlikely any discussion can have a positive effect. It is your statement alone that paints a "large" portion of the Guild Wars community as "idiots", something Adam's article clearly did not do. Hypocrisy is fun, but it can't handle looking at itself in the mirror. So, you are just piling on for the entertainment value? I thought as much, you have only confirmed it. |
My characterizations are based on nearly 2 and a half years of playing experience, along with the fact that there is no actually information in that article to back up what he's saying, just base statements:
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Mending – Hailed by many PvErs as the most useful skill in the game, it provides a constant, accessible, and fairly cheap source of healing. However, it has no place in PvP competition, and is actually a long-standing joke in the PvP community.
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Rebirth – Players aren't dumb
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Illusionary Weaponry – While not a completely useless skill, it is mediocre at best yet very popular amongst beginners.
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I'm not gonna bother with anymore, but my point is, that with these "claims", i want to see figures and FACTS, as talking to players who actually play every aspect of the game, some of these "claims" are the biggest joke I've seen in a while!
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Eventually parts of this article may become outdated with new balance changes. Remember that the best way to learn about the game is to observe top GvG games, and see what the highest level teams are currently running. Good luck making the transition from killing monsters to killing people. |
Kuldebar Valiturus
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My characterizations are based on nearly 2 and a half years of playing experience, along with the fact that there is no actually information in that article to back up what he's saying, just base statements.
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-You dispute that using Mending isn't a longstanding joke...that the players are the joke for using Mending. <boggle>
-You object to the statement that "players aren't dumb" by stating that they are dumb because they need to learn tactics, which conversely means that most people that have PvPed for awhile will be experienced enough to know that stopping the enemy from rezzing is a good tactic. Thus, most opponents in PvP are going have more experience than the novice beginner.
-You underscore the fact that illusionary Weapons aren't a major player in PvP but still manage to be disagreeable when Adam S. says that it's "not a completely useless skill, it is mediocre at best"in PvP. You fault him for not completely delving into every reason why it isn't popular in PvP.
Nit picking and really weak nit picking at that! It's a one page article not a dissertation on all things PvP and non PvP related.
Tea Girl
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hahahaha, best post so far!
Oh and does anyone else have a strong urge to punch the guy that wrote it in the face? So, if you see this man: Adam Sunstrom in the street, in the pub, or you break into his house... punch him in the face for me |
Shadowfox1125
I just spent 1k on Mending. It better damn be the best skill in the game.
Wammo much?
It's actually a joke among the PvE community too.
I'm gonna disagree here. Let's ask some beginners where they can cap IW. Very few beginners use this and the ones that do, rarely use it efficiently.
How about a group of veteran GW players collectively write each State of the Game article?
Wammo much?
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| Special note: Each State of the Game article presents the opinions and insights of one game observer. These observations are personal in nature and do not reflect the opinions of ArenaNet. While ArenaNet does review each State of the Game article to assure that it offers content that is respectful of all players, we intend to allow our reporters the freedom to inject some personal opinion into descriptions of the current atmosphere of competitive play in Guild Wars, and to express views based on their experience and observation. |
Deleet
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I agree with Adam Sunstrom.
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GourangaPizza
Mending is good when you want to ridicule a wammo using it.
Dj Tano
I highly disagree, the skill "mending refrain" combined with a shout or a chant is much more useful...