[State of the Game]: PvE to PvP

Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

Gravity is a fact, no matter your opinion. But whether the article is offending or not, is not a fact, it is subject to the individual point of view.

Originally Posted by Str0b0

Although apparently the apology was made while I was still demanding an apology. So it appears, after cross referencing some post dates, that I was in the wrong. So to Arena Net and Gaile I apologize for not being more thorough in my reading and for demanding something that had already been given.

Originally Posted by Wtf Its A Monk

i think that we as the community should look past it and continue doing what we like to do rather than what one asshole at anet wants us to do

Originally Posted by gayle at incgamers

I'm really sorry to see that some players are upset about the State of the Game article. I know that Adam, the writer, had absolutely no intention of denigrating or putting down any members of the community, be they PvE players, PvP players, or simply those who don't play the game yet but are reading to learn about it. Not everyone cares to play both types of gameplay. That's perfectly ok. The article is intended to provide some insight for or about those who do.

Originally Posted by Gayle Gray

So if you need more, tell me expressly what that would be. I see the demands for something, but I don't know what.

Originally Posted by Blame the Monks

http://www.guildwars.com/competitive...6-pvetopvp.php

Disappointing article imo. Very condescending, with numerous jabs at PvEers, including how "someone who beats the game needs to unlearn the game," etc. Kind of sad, because some decent, if superficial, info is lost in the arrogant tone.

But the pve to pvp transition is a relevant issue imo and worth discussing. I always try to encourage my PvE friends to PvP more, but many people never really get interested in PvP. I believe the reason so many people don't make the transition is not incompetence (despite the article's sneers) or lack of interest, but because of flaws in the game itself.

I think the reason so few people transition into PvP is 1) the game has poor support for learning PvP, forming PvP groups, and playing PvP casually, 2) the game has very poor pvp rewards, especially for casual pvp, and 3) the pvp community is generally hostile, arrogant, elitist, and nasty. The poor rewards have recently begun to improve (HA wins are much more rewarding now), but that is only for a select few. For casual players, PvP has no reward (other than the inherent reward for winning -- faction is not a reward. It is a tool at best. And emotes/titles are not a real reward either and take sick amounts of grind to boot). Group forming anet tried to improve with party forming, but the system is still terrible. The social and grind barriers to PvP are staggering and many people just don't want to invest hundreds of hours to earn the tools required plus hundreds more hours of time to learn to excel at the game just to then have to spend an hour or more each day just to form a casual team.

What do you think? What got you interested in PvP (or why aren't you interested)? Did you struggle with these issues and if so, how did you overcome them?

Originally Posted by DreamWind

Actually, an apology was NOT offered on these forums. All I heard here was a statement to the effect of "get over it". An apology was offered over on GWonline because that is a heavy PvE forum with a bunch of unlogical people starting a riot. The apology in my eyes was just to shut them up, and not because Anet agreed that the article was offensive enough to warrant the riots. Anybody who can't see past that is once again fooled.