as far a PVE goes a monk is expected to heal while others attack.
my question is what skill do you think is better suited for PVE
Light of Deliverance - a very useful skill that will heal anyone in your party under 80% health, much more energy efficient than it's Heal Party counterpart. It's low recharge/cast time makes it easily spammable and won't affect your energy pool as much as Heal Party
Word of Healing - a spike heal, very useful as an emergency heal. with it's low recharge time it can also be used to heal minor injuries as well
i was leaning towards LOD, as PVE has many monsters that have AOE, also with their AI they hardly focus fire, making WoH useless as an emergency heal since it isn't used very much
LOD or WOH
s7j3
Stormlord Alex
It all depends on the area, and what team you are in - you ARE allowed to change your build!
In areas with mass degen or lots of AoE (Dragon's Lair, for instance) LoD would be a better choice. On the other hand, in areas with heavy-hitting single enemies (Aatxe in the UW, for instance) WoH would be a superior heal, with HP as a backup against whatever AoE you do find.
In areas with mass degen or lots of AoE (Dragon's Lair, for instance) LoD would be a better choice. On the other hand, in areas with heavy-hitting single enemies (Aatxe in the UW, for instance) WoH would be a superior heal, with HP as a backup against whatever AoE you do find.
Zephyr Jackson
lod pwns ..........
Morgenstern
I go WoH.... i just like it more. And usually I join groups with a tank that can actually tank so he takes most if not all damage, so i can focus on him.
Verata
I usually go WoH just 'casue I'm not that great of a monk...
But on a serious note if your going in an area with a widespread degen or enviormental effect (eg. Gate Of Pain) I would take LoD. If not I take WoH or maby even Glimmer if I'm feeling good.
But on a serious note if your going in an area with a widespread degen or enviormental effect (eg. Gate Of Pain) I would take LoD. If not I take WoH or maby even Glimmer if I'm feeling good.
olly123
like said above id go with LOD for degen/ AOE areas and WoH for lesser sortof areas, LOD is one of the best healing moves to come out of NF, but there r times when u need that quick heal ( WoH is not anti spike, anti spike is 1/4 not 3/4)
Trylo
or you could just use dwaynas kiss instead of WoH and use holy haste with some other choice healing skills and LoD... (no holy veil then though 
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Legendary Shiz
It's been said but it's WHERE you are that should dictate which skill you use. I've used them both. In a 2-3 monk backline bringin LoD is nice, in a single WoH is better IMO.
creelie
Healer's Boon is also a fun elite which turns you into this machine gun of health. The loss of an energy pip and the faster casting means you really need to pay attention to energy management, but each of your heals is worth more. Heal Party becomes hilariously effective.
Thom Bangalter
actually, I think the biggest upside of healer's boon is the faster cast.
Given the choice between LoD and WoH, I'd pick LoD every time. But I do love healer's boon in the right hands.
Given the choice between LoD and WoH, I'd pick LoD every time. But I do love healer's boon in the right hands.
jesh
I choose Healer's Boon on a necro.
Cebe
Has anyone ever tried Healer's Boon + Holy Haste + Arcane Mimicry with another monk with Glimmer of Light?
If you steal Healer's Boon and cast that followed by Holy Haste and dance while you cast Glimmer of Light on yourself you can cast it without braking your dance routine. It's pretty cool. Seems you can't continue dancing while you cast it on other party members
[Research credited to Milkflopance ]
If you steal Healer's Boon and cast that followed by Holy Haste and dance while you cast Glimmer of Light on yourself you can cast it without braking your dance routine. It's pretty cool. Seems you can't continue dancing while you cast it on other party members
[Research credited to Milkflopance
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moko
LOD ftw. i wouldnt ever take woh again. its so crappy. :<
Effigy
Healer's Boon + GoLE + Heal Party is nice.
HBoon is less versatile than LoD, but it also has the potential to be much more powerful if you know how to use it. The only reason I don't use it more is that it requires you to bring a bar with mostly Healing Prayers.
HBoon is less versatile than LoD, but it also has the potential to be much more powerful if you know how to use it. The only reason I don't use it more is that it requires you to bring a bar with mostly Healing Prayers.
milkflopance
Quote:
Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver
Has anyone ever tried Healer's Boon + Holy Haste + Arcane Mimicry with another monk with Glimmer of Light?
If you steal Healer's Boon and cast that followed by Holy Haste and dance while you cast Glimmer of Light on yourself you can cast it without braking your dance routine. It's pretty cool. Seems you can't continue dancing while you cast it on other party members
[Research credited to Milkflopance ]
Im not 100% sure on this but i thought it was the other way around, where it ends the dance if you cast on yourself, although i might be wrong 
If you steal Healer's Boon and cast that followed by Holy Haste and dance while you cast Glimmer of Light on yourself you can cast it without braking your dance routine. It's pretty cool. Seems you can't continue dancing while you cast it on other party members
[Research credited to Milkflopance
]
Im not 100% sure on this but i thought it was the other way around, where it ends the dance if you cast on yourself, although i might be wrong
Prefectus
WoH ftw my single fave monk skill
Pick Me
Tried LoD and WoH.
LoD didn't impress me. THK my team was so good (a guildie, me, 3 heros of 17th lvl) and 3 henchies beat everything - missed the bonus by seconds - he couldn't get to the other beacon in time.
Nothing survived (except my party). LoD was used and only 2 characters really needed to be healed (my guildie - MM and Koss). If you anticipate party damage (from AoE or environment or something), yes LoD is good. WoH is my pref (if only we get these two).
LoD didn't impress me. THK my team was so good (a guildie, me, 3 heros of 17th lvl) and 3 henchies beat everything - missed the bonus by seconds - he couldn't get to the other beacon in time.
Nothing survived (except my party). LoD was used and only 2 characters really needed to be healed (my guildie - MM and Koss). If you anticipate party damage (from AoE or environment or something), yes LoD is good. WoH is my pref (if only we get these two).
Stupid Shizno
Lod over Woh anyday
and besides, GoL over WoH anyways, woh is such a poor elite with all the opt ions from factions/nightfall.
if i ever have to go pure healing, which is rare since prot > heal, i would choose LoD as my elite, with infuse health for spike healing.
and besides, GoL over WoH anyways, woh is such a poor elite with all the opt ions from factions/nightfall.
if i ever have to go pure healing, which is rare since prot > heal, i would choose LoD as my elite, with infuse health for spike healing.
Wilhelm
LoD hands down.
Overpowered Nightfall skills ftw.
Overpowered Nightfall skills ftw.
Toilet Oni
IMO LoD/infuse + ZB Rox my sox^^
Evilsod
Depends where you are.
LoD is great to counter mass degen, WoH is good anti-spike (things in PvE like to spike...). Sadly... a ZB Prot pretty much does the exact same thing for 0 energy while having the bonus of also been a prot monk.
Taking LoD and using Arcane Mimicry to borrow Healers Boon is brilliant, specially on Abaddons Gate. Moment Word of Madness hits you heal everyone for ~125 health for 5 energy.
LoD is great to counter mass degen, WoH is good anti-spike (things in PvE like to spike...). Sadly... a ZB Prot pretty much does the exact same thing for 0 energy while having the bonus of also been a prot monk.
Taking LoD and using Arcane Mimicry to borrow Healers Boon is brilliant, specially on Abaddons Gate. Moment Word of Madness hits you heal everyone for ~125 health for 5 energy.
Laenavesse
I use WoH mainly...I use LoD only if I know there is mass AoE damage, but I find that only one or two of my henchies ever go below the LoD mark so it's sort of a waste =\ I love the skill though, but WoH has served my purposes more so than LoD has.
Cebe
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Originally Posted by milkflopance
Im not 100% sure on this but i thought it was the other way around, where it ends the dance if you cast on yourself, although i might be wrong
I'm sure I remember when you cast it on me you stopped dancing.
Maybe we should test it again
I'm sure I remember when you cast it on me you stopped dancing.Maybe we should test it again
Risa
If you have a reasonable group, I'd go with LoD, as there will be fewer times that'd you would need the spike heal from WoH. However, since most PvE PuGs aren't that great, I would stick with WoH.
Remes
I'm usually perfectly content with my good old fashioned WoH ^_^ Love that skill!
XvArchonvX
I really don't find myself using WoH anymore. I now run LoD when using heal and stick with ZB when I think about WoH. 
Llint
If I were to run a healing prayers build, its for LoD and LoD only.
nardhelain
LoD has its uses. It's great for mass degen, aoe dmg, or when you know your group is going to be split up and you can't be in 2 places at once. However, if you know you're going to be up against foes that deal lots of spike dmg, LoD is like a band-aid on a severed artery. Just doesn't do enough healing. My healing build uses WoH unless I know I'll need a fast-recharging party heal. Otherwise, I just use Heal Party with Leader's Zeal to offest the energy cost.
Effigy
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Originally Posted by Llint
If I were to run a healing prayers build, its for LoD and LoD only.
LoD or Healer's Boon.
Age
It all depends on the area if there is going to be heavy dmge and degen then healers boon but for normal healing then word.
l)l2UNl(
a great monk knows the area and will change his build to suit it accordingly. it is never advisable to stick with a single build since different areas require different strategies of healing/prot.
Ishtar Serket
^^ Exactly. Well they don't need to be a great monk. A normal monk should have some idea what to expect and if they don't, ask the party first to know. LoD serves its purpose in many places, like the health draining area in Dragon's Lair, or Abaddon's Gate. Generally though I take WoH just because I find zones or missions with massive all-party health loss to be few and far between.
gameshoes3003
I find LoD useful in the more difficulty places such as the Tomb of Primeval Kings, and the other things.
WoH is good, but I personally prefer Glimmer of Light over it since Glimmer of Light can do last second saves.
WoH is good, but I personally prefer Glimmer of Light over it since Glimmer of Light can do last second saves.
zling
WoH was considered a good elite before nightfall came. after nightfall you have so many better options that it just isnt worth it any more. heck, even factions gave some better elites if used correctly... GoL>WoH any time, HL>WoH with the right build(enchantments, either seed and vigorous or from a prot monk) etc while other non direct healing elites such as LoD and HB are much better than WoH as it gives the monk more versatility
but if you're asking just about WoH and LoD ignoring all the other options I'd usually say LoD
but if you're asking just about WoH and LoD ignoring all the other options I'd usually say LoD
Toasted Doughnuts
WoH is nice, yes. But ever since NF came out the number of WoH monks has been rapidly declining. Healers Boon And LoD are just better elites and work in many circumstances. Overall i would say LoD over Woh.
Div
woh for high damage areas, lod for high degen areas. nuff said.
Iron Monkey
Nightfall monk elites completely destroy the opposition 
In order, my favorites :
[skill]Healer's Boon[/skill]
[skill]Zealous Benediction[/skill]
[skill]Restore Condition[/skill]
[skill]Light of Deliverance[/skill]
[skill]Divert Hexes[/skill]
[skill]Blessed Light[/skill]
[skill]Healing Hands[/skill] (fun skill, I use a lot against mursaats and in AB)
[skill]Word Of Healing[/skill]
[skill]Martyr[/skill]
[skill]Life Barrier[/skill]
[skill]Spell Breaker[/skill]
In order, my favorites :
[skill]Healer's Boon[/skill]
[skill]Zealous Benediction[/skill]
[skill]Restore Condition[/skill]
[skill]Light of Deliverance[/skill]
[skill]Divert Hexes[/skill]
[skill]Blessed Light[/skill]
[skill]Healing Hands[/skill] (fun skill, I use a lot against mursaats and in AB)
[skill]Word Of Healing[/skill]
[skill]Martyr[/skill]
[skill]Life Barrier[/skill]
[skill]Spell Breaker[/skill]
samcobra
LoD is amazing. get a fast cast/recharge set and spam it. Its pretty much the best monk skill in the game IMO. In PvE, you face mobs, and unless you're doing DoA and can center ALL aggro on the tank, then your party will take damage and LoD can go through it.
taichou
WoH is too slow to heal spikes,stick with LoD /infuse much more effecient
BaconSoda
I've used both, in nearly the same build, and have found WoH to be more effective in most areas. (See: Holy Haste Build) With the usage of Holy Haste, both are extremely fast and effective heals, but i prefer the 5e cost of WoH for spike heals (previously used Heal Other). I honestly can't figure why people say WoH is a bad skill....easily a 150hp heal for 5e and 3/4 cast time, and the potential to heal for 250hp with the same cost, it can take the place of 2 skills (vanilla heal and spike heal) with one !
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