W/P Spear Hurler

Wretchman Drake

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

Charr Carvings and [BeeR]

19 Mar 2007 at 21:58 - 1

This is a build I've been trying to work on for some time now. I like using it in PvE (it's my new PvE build sometimes), and I also rather enjoyed using it in RA, AB, and a little in TA... I was wondering what you guys think about it?

Video Demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMjvxhJZF94 *PS* In vid, Spear being used DOES NOT have a Sundering Mod atm*

Warrior/Paragon

Strength: 14(16 if you don't care about less health)
Spear Mastery: 12

Spear: Sundering Spear of Fortitude

Skills:
1.) Burst of Aggression (BoA)
2.) Rage of the Ntouka {E} (RotN)
3.) Blazing Spear
4.) Barbed Spear
5.) Wild Throw
6.) Merciless Spear
7.) Res Sig
8.) *still trying to figure out [meanwhile Signet of Strength]

Any comments/advice?

clawofcrimson

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Crimson Claw

19 Mar 2007 at 22:01 - 2

nice pictures... but we have been down this road before....

the damage output is not nearly enough compared to a paragon with 16 spear.. and there is just not enough relevant strength skills to make w/p a better option than p/w....

but..sigh...its pve so do what you want.

Wretchman Drake

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

Charr Carvings and [BeeR]

19 Mar 2007 at 22:05 - 3

Hmm, well it's at least something for bored warriors to do.

I guess I'd have to try a Paragon primary then for a good spear build if you are correct...

Stormlord Alex

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Dec 2005

Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island

Soul of Melandru [sOm]

W/E

19 Mar 2007 at 22:09 - 4

Nice try... But no, not really.

A Paragon, with access to 16 Spear Mastery and Aggressive Refrain, alongside GftE! and Anthem of Flame, will be a much better spear-er.

Especially given the (rather lame...) IAS, a vamp spear will net a lot more damage than a sundering.

On the IAS... Flail is a superior choice at range where the slowdown won't have quite as much as an impact.

Atm... I really can't see why a spear-wielding warrior would be a better choice than a paragon with a spear, or warrior using warrior weapons... Even dagger-wielding W/A get some synergy from Flourish...

Wretchman Drake

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

Charr Carvings and [BeeR]

19 Mar 2007 at 22:12 - 5

Like I said I was just trying out something different, that's all.

Osi Ri S

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA]

20 Mar 2007 at 00:30 - 6

I bet this idea was sparked from the movie "300". i was gonna try something like this just for fun after seeing the movie

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

20 Mar 2007 at 12:54 - 7

I like idea of RotN + IAS to immediatelly start spike (P/x can not do this without few dedicated skillsots and lots of downtime)

but i dislike your choice of atack skills (barbed/blazing) - they dont fit spike theme

King's Spectre

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Syracuse, NY, USA

The Amazon Basin (AB)

20 Mar 2007 at 13:30 - 8

Too bad warrior's endurance requires melee hits. I played around with a spear warrior in the weeks between the spear buff and nerf. Battle Rage and enraging charge have some promise here.

The other folks are probably right, for DPS a para is probably better, but don't let that keep you from enjoying the build!

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

D/W

20 Mar 2007 at 21:45 - 9

this is bad. we have been over this. spear warriors are bad. not as bad as scythe warriors, but even worse than dagger warriors.

Alanus

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

USA

Sasquatch Carrot Slingers [FooT]

R/Me

21 Mar 2007 at 01:49 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coloneh

this is bad. we have been over this. spear warriors are bad. not as bad as scythe warriors, but even worse than dagger warriors. lol... are you serious? "Not as bad as scythe warriors, but even worse than dagger warriors?"

...

I for one actually tried this build and it's fun. Maybe you should do some research and actually look up what the Elite does. It's faster and easier to get attacks off than a paragon. Plus the extra 14% armor penetration from strength doesn't negate from this...

Please be creative.

Osi Ri S

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA]

22 Mar 2007 at 03:50 - 11

after taking a further look at the skills, i suggest you drop your elite and BoA, bring Flail imo (since you have a ranged weapon the slowdown wont effect you as much) as for the elite, maybe a spear elite? Flourish looks like it would come in usefull. Or Maybe charge if you decide to go Tactics + Spear Mastery.

Ruphfus

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Feb 2006

Aequitas Deis

Mo/Me

22 Mar 2007 at 04:23 - 12

i've tried a ton of spear builds when nightfall first came out. i ended up going with frenzy and a bunch of spear attacks, spear elite to attack fast, not lose damage, and build adren.

what i like about this build is if you bring lions comfort in your empty spot you can have a self heal. i don't know about you but playing a warrior... i always like atleast some sort of self heal...
even tho u lose all ur adren with BoA, RotN gives u more than enough to use your Lions Comfort if you choose to bring it.

Not bad build tho.

Ranger / paragon is a nice spear thrower... for the combo of apply psn, attack, attack, attack, Stunning Strike, attack, attack, attack. great for stopping casters, and you can get some heals, ias buffs, defense buffs too.

clawofcrimson

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Crimson Claw

22 Mar 2007 at 16:47 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alanus

lol... are you serious? "Not as bad as scythe warriors, but even worse than dagger warriors?"
...
I for one actually tried this build and it's fun. Maybe you should do some research and actually look up what the Elite does. It's faster and easier to get attacks off than a paragon. Plus the extra 14% armor penetration from strength doesn't negate from this...

Please be creative. This build is another one of those "fun, but not really the most effective" pve builds... sure it will work and yes its fun..

but...If its a matter of primary paragon vs. primary warrior...warrior fails

~14% armour penatration is on the attack skills only... and its not really worth mentioning.

30 base damage vs. 100AL no armour pen. = 15

30 base damage vs. 100AL 14 armour pen = 19

~the damage is not compareable to spear mastery of 16 on a paragon.

spear mastery 12= 14-27 damage

spear mastery 16= 16-31 damage

thats on every hit..not just the attack skills

like the op said...its for bored warriors...and if your really bored you could also try:
[card]burst of aggression[/card] [card]griffon's sweep[/card] [card]leviathan's sweep[/card] [card]pious assault[/card] [card]eremite's attack[/card] [card]flourish[/card] [card]healing signet[/card] [card]resurrection signet[/card]
12 scythe
14 str
9 tactics

Issac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2006

Earthrealm

W/A

23 Mar 2007 at 00:14 - 14

Even though the dmg is not as much as a warrior using its primary weapons and not as strong as a paragon using a spear, the build isn’t to bad and neither is the dmg gj. Might try it out sometimes.

BryanM

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

23 Mar 2007 at 00:58 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

I like idea of RotN + IAS to immediatelly start spike (P/x can not do this without few dedicated skillsots and lots of downtime) Or the paragon could, like, use energy attack skills and use adrenaline shouts to power them?

Hole Sale Traps

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

TCI The Crimson Invasion

R/Mo

23 Mar 2007 at 04:56 - 16

I've been messing around and I came up with that a few days ago I've used it in AB it does Pretty good I find that other warriors target me less for some reason, I get good damage too....so I guess it can be done just got think more about what your doing.

"Edit" The Skills are Cruel spear,Blazing spear,Wild Throw,Remedy signet, Flail, Endure Pain,Enrageing Charge ,and Heal sig. Also I had the wrong helmet on during the screen the attributes should be 12 Strength, 9 Tactics (+1 helmet and a major Tactics rune), and 12 spear mastery.

zling

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

30 Mar 2007 at 16:26 - 17

being a Warrior with spears doesnt give you any advantage over the Paragorn. both have the highest lvl armor and Strength is 1 of the worst primary attributes available so I dont see why you desperatly want to utilize it...
you can go Paragorn/Warrior for some Tactics buffs, that will be reasonable but anything else is just underpowered...

Wretchman Drake

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

Charr Carvings and [BeeR]

02 Apr 2007 at 01:14 - 18

Paragon Primary spear hurlers aren't as good in case you ever haven't tried. Too much down time, not as good AL as Warrior, and I like RotN+BoA for getting a chain off. It's just fun for me.

It's just a PvE build or AB/ w/e anyways..

Effigy

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Illinois, US

Heroes of Talia [HoT]

Mo/

02 Apr 2007 at 13:57 - 19

P/* spear chuckers are great. Permanent IAS, melee buffs for the whole group, and nearly unlimited energy to spam attacks.

Alanus

Academy Page

Join Date: Nov 2005

USA

Sasquatch Carrot Slingers [FooT]

R/Me

02 Apr 2007 at 17:42 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Effigy

P/* spear chuckers are great. Permanent IAS, melee buffs for the whole group, and nearly unlimited energy to spam attacks. You make them sound sooo good. WHy the hell don't I see them ANYWHERE?

MisterB

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

[ban]

02 Apr 2007 at 23:52 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alanus

You make them sound sooo good. WHy the hell don't I see them ANYWHERE? PvP much? Paragons have had 3 nerfs because they were extremely effective in groups of 4+ or more. I still find a P/* spearchucker alot of fun for exactly the reasons Effigy stated.

On topic, I would prefer to throw spears with my Paragon, or use my Warrior with Sword, Axe, or Hammer. Looks like a fun build, though.

Crazyvietguy

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

[Njk]

Rt/

03 Apr 2007 at 00:40 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Osi Ri S

I bet this idea was sparked from the movie "300". i was gonna try something like this just for fun after seeing the movie

haha, I thought the same thing when i opened this thread. Too bad you cant switch the spear to melee.
I just tried it, I like it its different, I used the AB build introduced by Hole Sale uses.

Samuel Dravis

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

Mo/Me

03 Apr 2007 at 00:51 - 23

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterB

PvP much? Paragons have had 3 nerfs because they were extremely effective in groups of 4+ or more. I still find a P/* spearchucker alot of fun for exactly the reasons Effigy stated. Yep, me too. Spearthrowing is pretty fun, and the awesome IAS echo on P/ makes it very quick work.

clawofcrimson

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Crimson Claw

30 Apr 2007 at 18:13 - 24

Paragons are greatly underestimated IMHO... I love playing mine.

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

02 May 2007 at 14:44 - 25

Dfx Gladiator

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

Portugal - Porto

02 May 2007 at 20:32 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coloneh

this is bad. we have been over this. spear warriors are bad. not as bad as scythe warriors, but even worse than dagger warriors. O rly? Try this then... I can kill an enemy in 15 seconds, if it doesn't have outer healing, like monks, etc...

[card]flail[/card] [card]barbed spear[/card] [card]merciless spear[/card] [card]blazing spear[/card] [card]spear of lightning[/card] [card]lion's comfort[/card] [card]charging strike[/card] [card]resurrection signet[/card]

16 Strengh
12 Spear
3 Tactics (addicional health for Lion's, not rly needed)

Charging Strike for great Speed Boost anytime, extra dmg in first attack and to cancel Flail when necessary. After you encounter the first enemy gather up 4 adrenaline then use Flail > Barbed Spear > Spear of Lightning > Blazing Spear > Merciless Spear > Spear of Lightning. Lion's is for healing if needed, only problem is that it makes your resurrection signet recharge so use it wisely.

It really works, DPS is amazing, and you can give any monk a hard time.

P.S: Try to use Spear of Lightning after Merciless Spear to trigger the Deep Wound, the dmg is incredible.

clawofcrimson

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Crimson Claw

02 May 2007 at 21:13 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxBat

Constantly refreshing Anthem of Flame every 10 seconds to keep your agressive refrain up as you explore PvE can be a royal PITA. Not keeping it up constantly will generally start you off with 0 energy, which is limiting. So unless you want to sacrifice your elite for Soldier's Fury, that's enough reason to make a spear warrior for flail or the like. exactly the reason why I typically use 'GFTE' It will return some nice energy as well as give you some pretty decent +damage. by the time you need to use AR again.. you have plenty of energy... Focused anger+GFTE = exellent. You dont even have to skip a beat in the spearchucking. Not to mention that flail is also available to the p/w, refreshing every 5 seconds is not an issue. (especially with the movement speed)

there is just not enough in the strength line to make w/p better than p/w.

NinjaKai

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Duality Of The Dragon

02 May 2007 at 21:47 - 28

Personally I enjoy diversity. And if your in PvE with hench and heroes it doesn't really matter. While its true a Warrior spear thrower can't out do a Paragon spear thrower. It's more about fun than maximum damage output. I do wonder what its like for those closed minded people living inside their fish bowls.

clawofcrimson

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Crimson Claw

02 May 2007 at 23:02 - 29

lol ^ we create paragons and enjoy them.

It's true that in pve do whatever floats your boat. Fun is the name of the game. I often play a hammer paragon, or bow assassin, and Cursing monk.... when I play by myself. But if someone posts a build on a forum like this, it's because they are wanting feedback from others. So my feedback would be.... fun, but not the most effective. and.... Diversity = Different classes. It always makes me laugh when I see someone who always uses more skills from their secondary. Why not just make another class? I have a paragon for when I want to chuck spears, and a warrior for when I want to slash things.

but anyway, why show any criticism at all? cuz arent we all just having fuuun.....?

NinjaKai

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Duality Of The Dragon

02 May 2007 at 23:32 - 30

Reminds me of the time I made a Mo/P smite spear thrower. Good fun. Let the heroes do the healing for a change. XD

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

03 May 2007 at 01:48 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by clawofcrimson

exactly the reason why I typically use 'GFTE' I know this is the campfire, but I'm not completely stupid. (As one might have to be to neglect 'GFTE' or 'WY') The battle still starts with 5 energy assuming no DP. You can make flail work with focused anger, but that means you can't use stunning strike or some other elite. It's a good enough build but that's limiting. Yes, the Para has higher DPS, but some would rather not deal with the annoyance of managing agressive refrain when tromping through c+space. Kinda like how prot monks are better but people PvE with heal monks anyway since you can get away with just watching red bars. Or people run 55 SoJ for mindless troll farming pre-AI nerf when a cyclone/spiteful warrior was faster.

clawofcrimson

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Crimson Claw

04 May 2007 at 01:10 - 32

^ dont forget about the energy gain from GFTE. I am running full radiant (40ish energy) armour and with AR and GFET I am never lacking energy... even if I need to use AR every battle.

haggus71

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2007

FotS

15 Jun 2007 at 11:28 - 33

As we all know, the primary job of the paragon is to lead the group. They are most effective when using their combo of shouts and chants. Their weapon is designed to attack from the second line because of this.

A warrior can(and does) have skills that can make it a better damage dealer with a spear than a paragon. It doesn't make them a better paragon. It can make them a better warrior in some situations. It also gives you the flexibility in some PvE and PvP situations to defend and give support to others(Imagine the suprise of the poor ele inside the purple gate in Ft Aspenwood when the warrior is pegging him on the upper tier). Flexibility always makes you better(learned that getting shot at).

Yes, you can get Flail and other warrior skills as a paragon. Strength you can't get, however, which, in DFX Gladiator's build, would give an 18 second duration as opposed to 5 seconds for wimpy 0. and no shouts or chants to maintain.

personally, I got to lvl 20 as a W/P with no issues, and I had a lot of fun with it. As with everything, it's not the weapon, it's the man behind the trigger. keep innovating!

Xiaxhou of Trinity

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

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19 Jun 2007 at 18:51 - 34

wretchman drake love your builds
and also.....DUDE do you know how cool your armor looks, i now love vabbian war helm!

innovation is great, look how we came up with the thumper and N/Rt SR abuse =]. i want to try that W/D build, it looks like tons of fun with flourish.

W/P spear chucker has always looked pretty cool to me, time to start pvping again =] a warrior with command line can be great, axe or hammer (i like hammer, KD, Awe, Gfte! Gotta love hammer base dmg!).

afrika18

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

21 Jun 2007 at 13:46 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dfx Gladiator

O rly? Try this then... I can kill an enemy in 15 seconds, if it doesn't have outer healing, like monks, etc... Are you kidding me? It takes you 15 seconds to kill an enemy? Pardon my French, but you suck. I can kill an enemy in 1 second regardless of what healing he has. How dare you brag when you clearly have no understanding of this...beautiful....marvelous....(struggles to remain composed)...Game. You obviously have little regard for the sanctity, I daresay, the hallowed nature of this Game! 500 years ago, I'd have had you burnt at the stake for what you said....

Any REAL player of this Game, can kill any enemy in 1 second. If it takes you 15 seconds to kill an enemy, you don't deserve to be playing this Game. ArenaNet should have a screening policy. You should have to first demonstrate competence before being allowed to partake of The Game's Magnificence. Pray I don't run into you online in GVG or PVP! Because I guaruntee you'll go down in LESS than a second, you sacrilegious, useless, dope-noob.

masta_yoda

Banned

Join Date: Feb 2007

most hated players in the [game]

R/Mo

22 Jun 2007 at 23:53 - 36

i wouldnt take boa, could swap it for flail since ud be standing most of the time

Jennie

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2007

Newfoundland, Canada

The City Below [Down]

R/Rt

26 Feb 2008 at 05:52 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by afrika18

Are you kidding me? It takes you 15 seconds to kill an enemy? Pardon my French, but you suck. I can kill an enemy in 1 second regardless of what healing he has. How dare you brag when you clearly have no understanding of this...beautiful....marvelous....(struggles to remain composed)...Game. You obviously have little regard for the sanctity, I daresay, the hallowed nature of this Game! 500 years ago, I'd have had you burnt at the stake for what you said....

Any REAL player of this Game, can kill any enemy in 1 second. If it takes you 15 seconds to kill an enemy, you don't deserve to be playing this Game. ArenaNet should have a screening policy. You should have to first demonstrate competence before being allowed to partake of The Game's Magnificence. Pray I don't run into you online in GVG or PVP! Because I guaruntee you'll go down in LESS than a second, you sacrilegious, useless, dope-noob. 1 second? ppfff I have you beat. I can kill the whole system in a fraction of a second with the little x in the corner of the screen. I'm l33t!

ETA: Was searching around... wasn't paying attention to dates. My bad.

Marty Silverblade

Administrator

Join Date: Jun 2006

26 Feb 2008 at 06:44 - 38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jennie

1 second? ppfff I have you beat. I can kill the whole system in a fraction of a second with the little x in the corner of the screen. I'm l33t! Don't rez dead threads, this is 8 months old. Especially, since you haven't said anything of relevance.

Jaigoda

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

IGN Eat Scythes

26 Feb 2008 at 18:43 - 39

12charsftw..

Trvth Jvstice

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2006

HALE

27 Feb 2008 at 00:01 - 40

Since we're off topic and before all of these posts are deleted, what does the "12chars" comment I see everywhere refer to?