[Petition] Make Fissure of Woe and Underworld Open Access Permanent - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

Tarun

Technician's Corner Moderator

Join Date: Jan 2006

The TARDIS

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21 Mar 2007 at 03:38 - 1

For this upcoming weekend event, Fissure of Woe and Underworld are "Open Access". This means that finally there is no PvP controlling what PvE players can do. I know there is a huge amount of the player base who would love for this to go through.

This petition is to make the Open Access permanent, but keep the fact that you have to pay in order to go in to Fissure of Woe and Underworld.

Short version: FOW AND UW ACCESS AT ANY TIME. STILL PAY TO GO IN.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fender

Make it 2k w/o favor and 1k w/ favor. Easy.

Even I like this. Great idea Fender!

Replicant

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/Me

21 Mar 2007 at 04:37 - 2

/signed.......
I stopped going to FoW and UW because America never has favor.. or It's too late at night when we do...

FoW & UW = PvE worlds.... Let us PvE'ers enjoy a PvE enviroment whenever we want.
if FoW & UW were PvP worlds... then let the PvP'ers deal with Favor.

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

21 Mar 2007 at 05:31 - 3

/withheld signature

Well, consider this weekend a test of this idea. I think we should see how this test weekend works out before we say anything conclusive. I mean, if this weekend causes a crazy flucuation in prices I'd be against it cause it might crash the economy. On the other hand, it could have zero affect at all.

I mean, just see how this weekend works out first. If you sign this, that's like saying your favorite fruit is an orange even if you've never eaten an orange before and you are only saying that because you hate the fruit you eat everyday.

holababe

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2006

Goon Squad [LLJK]

Mo/

21 Mar 2007 at 07:32 - 4

It will have a price fluctuation because people will get drops for nothing (only their time).
But /signed for the free access with a fee

ZenRgy

Zookeeper

Join Date: Jul 2005

Australian Discussion Posse HQ - Glorious leader

҉ ̵̡̢̢̛̛̛̖̗̘̙̜̝̞̟&#

N/E

21 Mar 2007 at 07:52 - 5

No, because that would make me poorer.

But, yes because I like farming UW and FoW.

Jecht Scye

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Lucky Crickets[Luck]

N/Me

21 Mar 2007 at 09:16 - 6

/signed, I never liked the fact that pve was dependant on pvp in this aspect of the game.

Div

I like yumy food!

Join Date: Jan 2006

Where I can eat yumy food

Dead Alley [dR]

Mo/R

21 Mar 2007 at 09:21 - 7

/notsigned

if you're complaining about the lack of gold, go farm doa or something. uw/fow was meant to be tied to favor, and people need to stop making 20000 threads whining about how america never has favor blah blah. i'm sure people in japan, korea, and taiwan are willing to trade you their account for an american one to at least have favor 30-50% of the day instead of 0-5%.

Fender

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2005

Ohio

XoO

21 Mar 2007 at 14:02 - 8

Make it 2k w/o favor and 1k w/ favor. Easy.

karunpav

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2005

21 Mar 2007 at 14:07 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fender

Make it 2k w/o favor and 1k w/ favor. Easy.

I like this idea. /signed

Buttermilk

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2006

Zealots of Shiverpeak [ZoS]

Mo/

21 Mar 2007 at 15:05 - 10

/signed for no territory-control.
/notsigned for no fees.

EDIT: Removed reference to deleted post. -Swampgirl

Knight Othin Of War

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Spartan Warrior Elite

W/Mo

21 Mar 2007 at 15:14 - 11

/Signed, for the 1k for favour and 2k for non-favoured entry

EDIT: Removed reference to deleted post. -Swampgirl

Dreikki

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Kemi, Finland.

Pirates of the Searing [YoHo]

Mo/

21 Mar 2007 at 15:24 - 12

/notsigned for territory control.
/notsigned for no frees.

I like the way it is. Sure it's great to get in for free, but permanent changes would crash the markets.

Poison Ivy

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

Toronto

Hopping

Mo/A

21 Mar 2007 at 15:46 - 13

/unsigned

Because I'm still hoping ectos will rise.

Enchanted Warrior

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

W/Mo

21 Mar 2007 at 19:28 - 14

/signed

Tired of it being an elitest hangout. Open it for all and let everyone take their chances downthere. Afterall the loot there is crap 90% of the time anyway.. Purple canes in an FOW chest BAH!

Tarun

Technician's Corner Moderator

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The TARDIS

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21 Mar 2007 at 19:45 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by holymasamune

/notsigned

if you're complaining about the lack of gold, go farm doa or something. uw/fow was meant to be tied to favor, and people need to stop making 20000 threads whining about how america never has favor blah blah. i'm sure people in japan, korea, and taiwan are willing to trade you their account for an american one to at least have favor 30-50% of the day instead of 0-5%.

Since you missed the point, this would be global. Everyone would have access for a fee.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dreikki

/notsigned for territory control.
/notsigned for no frees.

I like the way it is. Sure it's great to get in for free, but permanent changes would crash the markets.

Let's try reading. You won't get in free, I said that in my initial post. You still have to pay the fee to go in. Secondly, it would balance the markets and make things more efficient. It would also stop items getting overpriced. This could also resolve the issue of being forced to use ecto for currency. Econ 101, ftw.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poison Ivy

/unsigned

Because I'm still hoping ectos will rise.

There's no balance in that. You lose.

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Also updated with Fender's idea for 2k without favor and 1k with favor.

bilateralrope

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

New Zealand

Xen Of Onslaught (Xen of the Pacific division)

21 Mar 2007 at 20:48 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fender

Make it 2k w/o favor and 1k w/ favor. Easy.

2k is still a negligible amount, but will probably add up to a decent gold sink. If its implemented like this I won't care.

/signed for unlinking access and favor

The main problem with the current favor system is that you can't party with your friends that are in another region. I'd probably also be happy if the international districts could win favor if a mixed region team won halls.

Diddy bow

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2006

Jawsome!!!!!!!!!!!

looking for one :p

A/D

21 Mar 2007 at 21:18 - 17

ectos will be worth about 3g if this happend :/

Randomway Ftw

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

Ottawa, Canada

21 Mar 2007 at 21:36 - 18

/Not signed

There are plenty of things to do in this game besides UW and FOW, just do other things until America gets favor, then go.

BTW PVEers also controls what PVPers can do by QQing and screwing up game modes.

Kashrlyyk

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

21 Mar 2007 at 21:39 - 19

/signed

Economy crash? If this were a real economy that could happen, but it isn´t.

The Hand Of Death

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

Cavalon

The Last Pirates (SaVY)

N/

21 Mar 2007 at 21:40 - 20

/notsigned

FOW and UW is one of the only things that keeps the PvE community and PvP community together, other than those people who happen to do both. Also those areas wouldn't be very special if you could get into them at any point, that is why there are restraints.

legion_rat

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

668 the neighbor of the beast

TFK

A/

21 Mar 2007 at 21:54 - 21

all this talk about "the economy" all anet would have to do if this is made perm, is make drops less likely. not a hard fix and we can still enjoy or time in FoW/UW. It took me almost 3 weeks to get a spider due to work and america sucking favor wise. I am all for unlimited access to both areas.

/signed for no favor
/signed for still paying to get in.

maybe even raise it to 5k if they dont alter the drop rates.

~the rat~

Tarun

Technician's Corner Moderator

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21 Mar 2007 at 22:07 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hand Of Death

/notsigned

FOW and UW is one of the only things that keeps the PvE community and PvP community together, other than those people who happen to do both. Also those areas wouldn't be very special if you could get into them at any point, that is why there are restraints.

...no it's not. Are you kidding? That has to be a joke. ROFL!

Honestly it's part of what makes PvE players HATE the PvP system.

Silent Elvin Ranger

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

Ontario, Canada

21 Mar 2007 at 23:01 - 23

Hmm...
/kindasigned

I think that there should be something to determine whether or not we can go in. But not something dealing with PvP. Maybe like a certain quest you must do that changes every week. Like you do this quest (which should be quite difficult) and then u have access thru-out the week. But the following week you must do a different quest.

This is just an idea...but we should have some other task that us non-pvp players can do without having to rely on which HA team is on.

~Silent

Orinn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Defiant Dragons

21 Mar 2007 at 23:04 - 24

Note to everyone worried about the price of ectos: Dedicated farmers have multiple accounts on different servers. The easiest way to get around the favor system costs about $20 once, and then you can farm UW pretty much anytime you like. Opening access won't affect how common ectos are, but only how rare they are perceived to be. If the economy "crashes" then it is because it was artificially inflated to begin with, people BELIEVE that ectos are incredibly rare.

And yes, this open weekend will probably bring prices down. Now because there are going to suddenly be millions of ectos flooding the market, but because making them more easily accesible destroys the illusion of them being ultra-rare. When the weekend is over, and everyone who tried out UW for the first time realizes that it can be farmed, the prices will go down. And they'll probably STAY low, after that, similar to what happened with amber/jade, similar to what's already happening with rubies/sapphires: the demand is steadily decreasing even as farming continues unabated.

The economy is a moot point. Farming of UW and FoW goes on every day. I don't claim to know how many "europe" accounts are run by people not in europe, but I know I have a monk and a necro working through on the Europe servers to farm with them, whenever I choose. And I know I'm not the only one who has done this.

ANet should just open UW/FoW to all parts of the world. Completely get rid of the bad decision to link PvE and PvP in any way. If PvP characters had to actually play PvE to unlock skills, get weapons and armor, and reach the arenas, then it would make sense for Pvp players to affect the PvE world. This was the original design, and it was scrapped in favor of PvP only characters and Balthazar faction. only favor remains, a remnant of those times that really adds no "fun" to the game, only adds aggravation and fuels the ongoing animosity between PvE and PvP.

Tarun

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Join Date: Jan 2006

The TARDIS

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22 Mar 2007 at 00:31 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orinn

Note to everyone worried about the price of ectos: Dedicated farmers have multiple accounts on different servers. The easiest way to get around the favor system costs about $20 once, and then you can farm UW pretty much anytime you like. Opening access won't affect how common ectos are, but only how rare they are perceived to be. If the economy "crashes" then it is because it was artificially inflated to begin with, people BELIEVE that ectos are incredibly rare.

And yes, this open weekend will probably bring prices down. Now because there are going to suddenly be millions of ectos flooding the market, but because making them more easily accesible destroys the illusion of them being ultra-rare. When the weekend is over, and everyone who tried out UW for the first time realizes that it can be farmed, the prices will go down. And they'll probably STAY low, after that, similar to what happened with amber/jade, similar to what's already happening with rubies/sapphires: the demand is steadily decreasing even as farming continues unabated.

The economy is a moot point. Farming of UW and FoW goes on every day. I don't claim to know how many "europe" accounts are run by people not in europe, but I know I have a monk and a necro working through on the Europe servers to farm with them, whenever I choose. And I know I'm not the only one who has done this.

ANet should just open UW/FoW to all parts of the world. Completely get rid of the bad decision to link PvE and PvP in any way. If PvP characters had to actually play PvE to unlock skills, get weapons and armor, and reach the arenas, then it would make sense for Pvp players to affect the PvE world. This was the original design, and it was scrapped in favor of PvP only characters and Balthazar faction. only favor remains, a remnant of those times that really adds no "fun" to the game, only adds aggravation and fuels the ongoing animosity between PvE and PvP.

Very well stated. /applause

MMSDome

Raged Out

Join Date: Sep 2005

22 Mar 2007 at 01:06 - 26

/not signed!

whats the point in that? We need to cheer and support our countries to get favor. Only 1 country has favor at a time!!!

cellardweller

Likes naked dance offs

Join Date: Aug 2005

The Older Gamers [TOG]

22 Mar 2007 at 01:10 - 27

/Signed - I don't remember the last time the US had favour while I was on.

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

22 Mar 2007 at 01:20 - 28

Problem is if they do that... the prices of ectos and shards will come down so fast. Can just wander into FoW/UW anytime you want. The favour at least needs to effect something. It effecting the entry rights is a bitch if your not on Euro, but then it becomes completetly irrelevant otherwise.

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

22 Mar 2007 at 01:32 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kashrlyyk

/signed

Economy crash? If this were a real economy that could happen, but it isn´t.

This is the kind of stuff I hate to see on these forums. People, just be reasonable about this. No one has any idea how this will affect the community economy. It could have none, but it could have a major impact.

Why not wait until the event actually happens yet before voicing your opinion (this rant also dirrected at all the omg GW 2 is the sux or GW 2 is going to be l337 threads about a game not even in beta)? It might be a good idea to see how it works out. Its just the logical and smart thing to do.

gameshoes3003

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

22 Mar 2007 at 02:33 - 30

/notsigned
If you want favor, go fight in the Hall of Heroes... Because if you do nothing, heh, you get nothing.

warpedheat101

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

Knights In The Garage [BEEP]

Mo/A

22 Mar 2007 at 03:04 - 31

/signed for entry when ya want
/signed for a 2k+ price

Kai Nui

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Behind you with a knife

Celebrity Gangsters [FamE]

Me/

22 Mar 2007 at 08:42 - 32

I'm sure that's what they're doing since they're announcing the release of their new game. No one's going to be playing as much, so favor will be even more f'ked up than previously. I think it'd be fair to ask for them to just keep the free play + not favor based honestly. Who's going to care if someone's hoarding in the ectos? No one, because it's an old game that no one cares about anyway.

NeVeRLiFt

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2006

Clan Acoma

Mo/N

22 Mar 2007 at 10:29 - 33

/signed

Ember010

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

D/

22 Mar 2007 at 10:43 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randomway Ftw

BTW PVEers also controls what PVPers can do by QQing and screwing up game modes.

Actually as a pve player i had always found in was the other way around. =/

Anyways
/notsigned
The idea of favour with the gods ties in with the game too well, losing the entrance fee wouldnt be AS bad but losing the favour idea just defeats the point. And you can change regions, if your fed up with american's never having favour, and if you depend on it so heavily, swap to the european region.

DarkGanni

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Malta

[CuTe]

E/

22 Mar 2007 at 11:06 - 35

Personally I don't like the favor system at all I see everyday on euro servers: RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO america, and then on american servers: RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO europe, well what else should I add, maybe the fact that many guilds have players from both sides and they would like to do FoW/Uw together as a guild and they can't cause of this and thats lack of fun ( a game is meant to have fun afterall), lets see Japan, Korea and Taiwan, they RARELY see favor how many of them would like to do fow/uw but no they have to switch to euro servers or american and then ppl WHINE cause of lag, of course it lags jesus christ you're putting 3 more countries into 1 or 2 (even if i hardly doubt they will choose american since europe almost always has favor). Ask yourselfs, wouldn't it be nice if all the players from around the world would play together instead of insulting each other.

/endrant

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Master Sword Keeper

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2006

Dead Isle

Farmers Of Woe [FoW]

W/

22 Mar 2007 at 12:32 - 36

/notsigned

America needs to learn to play for favor. Its something you just
cant get. Part of having favor and not having makes the game
versatile. Ascend and goto Tombs that's UW. Stop complaining.

and eewwww SERVER LAG last time something like happened
I ended up gettin 32,674 ping counts...NTY You need to earn
the favor.

John Panda

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2007

in my house

The Arctic Maruarders [TAM]

A/

22 Mar 2007 at 12:37 - 37

i'd like a chance to go to fow and uw so im agreed with the no favor deal.

because america is suxin some balls.

/signed

thezed

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

Iowa, USA

HoTR

22 Mar 2007 at 13:07 - 38

/signed later

I think this deffinatly needs to be implemented, but now is not the time. Once GW:EN, or shortly after, would be a good time to open the FoW and UW doors.

Lilaznboi2011

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

22 Mar 2007 at 13:08 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Master Sword Keeper

/notsigned

America needs to learn to play for favor. Its something you just
cant get. Part of having favor and not having makes the game
versatile. Ascend and goto Tombs that's UW. Stop complaining.

and eewwww SERVER LAG last time something like happened
I ended up gettin 32,674 ping counts...NTY You need to earn
the favor.

But it's not that easy to gain favor over here in america. Probably the majority of the player in gw have to go to school everyday, then come home and do their homework. By the time we actually have finished, its already like 7 or 8 and Europe STILL has favor, and getting a coordinated HA group isnt exactly easy in the amount of time you have left on a weekday or weekend anyway...

WasAGuest

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

22 Mar 2007 at 13:10 - 40

/signed

Bout time Anet even started looking at fixing this broken concept.