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LethalHands

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Join Date: Feb 2006

23 Mar 2007 at 20:44 - 1

So, I've been glancing around all these new Eye of North and GW2 threads. But mostly focusing on GWEN, seeing as the later game is so ridiculously far away that only very silly people seem to want to talk about it. And then in a way that isn't doing it any justice at all ("omg WoW i no evurytng abot gw2 i thnk blahblahblahblacksheep").

Something that caught my attention was new heroes. I haven't seen much discussion on this. One of my favorite features in Nightfall was the addition of heroes. Since Eye of the North is taking us to all these neat new places to meet with new peoples, our number of new hero's is 10. That's a big number, big enough to include one of every new race mentioned and then some.

I don't know about you, but man do I want a charr hero. Maybe something that ties up with the revelation of the nature of the charrs "gods". That would be awesome. Maybe a tengu hero too, if any of those new races are tengu in nature. Forgottens, dwarves, ect. Some people too, "Gwen" comes to mind. What kind of folks do you want to see as hero's in EotN?

netniwk

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2005

Bellgium

W/E

23 Mar 2007 at 20:46 - 2

probably a norn,sylvare,asura and char hero, wouldnt be to suprised either if gwen is a mesmer hero in gw:en

clawofcrimson

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Crimson Claw

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23 Mar 2007 at 20:55 - 3

i just want a ritualist that I dont have to invest 100 hrs of play time to get.

lennymon

Forge Runner

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23 Mar 2007 at 21:07 - 4

Thats the reason why people get Razah, solely because it's an acchievement of one form or another. Not because he's uber. A ranger/rit hero can do damn near the same thing for spirit spamming, or ele/rit for channeling if you really want to run some rit stuff. One well established solution is to buy the gems, they seem to be going for as low as 75-80k for a set now, thats what 4 hours of good farming?

Charr hero? RULES!!!! I want some. 10 new heroes is going to kick bootay.

MSecorsky

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Join Date: Jun 2005

So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

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23 Mar 2007 at 21:17 - 5

IF GW:EN is indeed providing 10 more heroes, do you realize that that is additional storage for:

50 Runes
50 Insignia
10 two handed weapons - or - 10 one handed weapons plus 10 offhands - or - mix of the two

That's a lot of free storage.

And that's per character.

Gregslot

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

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23 Mar 2007 at 21:29 - 6

Yes, Gwen will probably be a mesmer hero, since her mother were a mesmer too.

The charr gods were the titans, if you completed that quest in realm of torment wich you help a charr finding his god you would know.

Ras Kass

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Join Date: Aug 2005

Waterloo, Canada

FF

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23 Mar 2007 at 21:38 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by MSecorsky

IF GW:EN is indeed providing 10 more heroes, do you realize that that is additional storage for:

50 Runes
50 Insignia
10 two handed weapons - or - 10 one handed weapons plus 10 offhands - or - mix of the two

That's a lot of free storage.

And that's per character.

I don't get what you are saying, last time I checked Heroes have no storage.
As far as I know the only way of "storing" items on heroes is by making them equip it, so I don't think making them equip runes would be worth it in any way.
But... ummm. better than nothing?

Bankai

Desert Nomad

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Bubblegum Dragons

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23 Mar 2007 at 21:41 - 8

We'll probably get a Norn ritualist, since they're shamans.

And a sylvari ranger. They look ranger-y.

Dauntless

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

Mo/

23 Mar 2007 at 21:41 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregslot

Yes, Gwen will probably be a mesmer hero, since her mother were a mesmer too.

The charr gods were the titans, if you completed that quest in realm of torment wich you help a charr finding his god you would know.

Gwen's mother had no profession, She just sort of stood around in the village near Ashford Abbey and that was only if she spawned. The picture that has been posted shows Gwen wearing armor that looks very much like mesmer armor. The only NPC who she eluded to having an influence from was Lady Althea, Rurik's Fiance not her mother.

FeroxC

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

EOA

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23 Mar 2007 at 22:15 - 10

Whats with this stupid GWEN obsession seriously 50% of the posts in riverside are about GWEN, the useless girl with an easy,dull quest.

MSecorsky

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So Cal

The Sinister Vanguard

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23 Mar 2007 at 22:17 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ras Kass

I don't get what you are saying, last time I checked Heroes have no storage.
As far as I know the only way of "storing" items on heroes is by making them equip it, so I don't think making them equip runes would be worth it in any way.
But... ummm. better than nothing?

Exactly... you get guaranteed salvage from equipped hero items... runes and insignias. Granted, it's effectively paid storage if you factor the cost of the salvage kits, but still storage none-the-less. You could, for example, have a hero you never use and equip five superior vigors on it. Frees five slots and you'll never lose them.

So yes... equip your heroes as mules. Free storage.

LethalHands

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

23 Mar 2007 at 22:19 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregslot

The charr gods were the titans, if you completed that quest in realm of torment wich you help a charr finding his god you would know.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LethalHands

I don't know about you, but man do I want a Charr hero. Maybe something that ties up with the revelation of the nature of the Charrs "gods"

I sort of touched on that already. If you read better you would know.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MSecorsky

IF GW:EN is indeed providing 10 more heroes, do you realize that that is additional storage for:

50 Runes
50 Insignia
10 two handed weapons - or - 10 one handed weapons plus 10 offhands - or - mix of the two

That's a lot of free storage.

And that's per character.

You are correct sir.

Storage nooblets rejoice.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ras Kass

I don't get what you are saying, last time I checked Heroes have no storage.
As far as I know the only way of "storing" items on heroes is by making them equip it, so I don't think making them equip runes would be worth it in any way.
But... ummm. better than nothing?

You are wrong.
You can store runes/inscriptions on heroes by applying them to their armor, and then simply take them off. Unlike players, hero's armor does not break. You can do this indefinately.

The Ernada

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2006

23 Mar 2007 at 22:28 - 13

I'm excited by the addition of new heroes too. Being able to partially build a team when you're by yourself gave me a LOT more incentive to play PVE. I only wish that I could have 7 heroes at a time.

Sort of offtopic: Sadly though, from reading the article, it looks like they're doing away with Heroes in GW2. They're being replaced by "Companions" which are basically heroes but are more like pets in that they reduce your character's overall strength (ala pet taking up a slot) and they dont take up party slots and you only get one.

The reason I say that heroes/henchies might be gone is because the article says, "Instead of heroes/henchies you get a companion" The article could be wrong or I could have read it wrong though.

FireFox

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Texas

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23 Mar 2007 at 22:31 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregslot

Yes, Gwen will probably be a mesmer hero, since her mother were a mesmer too.

The charr gods were the titans, if you completed that quest in realm of torment wich you help a charr finding his god you would know.

her mother was a Healer...

lyra_song

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Oct 2005

R/Mo

23 Mar 2007 at 23:02 - 15

Gwen as a Mesmer NPC would rock :3

Norgu isnt very....cute o.o

Horseman Of War

Desert Nomad

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The Cult of Doom

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23 Mar 2007 at 23:51 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by FeroxC

Whats with this stupid GWEN obsession seriously 50% of the posts in riverside are about GWEN, the useless girl with an easy,dull quest.

sounds like someone wasnt here for the beta test... :P

chichory

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/W

24 Mar 2007 at 00:00 - 17

Hope we get a Charr Shaman healer, would struggle to choose between a Charr War Blade and Koss. :/

I too wish we could bring seven heroes at a time Ernada but i dout it will happen. In terms of classes, seems as though it will be one of each (no new classes) but who knows.

LethalHands

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

24 Mar 2007 at 01:13 - 18

Charr Axe Warrior Hero + Koss as Sword + Devona on Hammer = Physical Pwnage. I could care less about the class. As long as it's a charr. Charr healer, charr fire caller, all cool with me. A little variety never hurt. Dwarven hammer warrior? So many cool things they can do with heroes.

Norgu's a player. He doesn't need your approval.

Terra Xin

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Join Date: Mar 2006

New Zealand

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24 Mar 2007 at 01:16 - 19

The plural for hero is heroes, not hero's...

But I want Gwen to be a Hero so much!!!

Haggard

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Greener Pastures [DVDF]

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24 Mar 2007 at 01:36 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by clawofcrimson

i just want a ritualist that I dont have to invest 100 hrs of play time to get.

It takes you 100 hours to earn 80k and do a 20 minute (henchable) quest?

I wish people would actually think about what you need for Razah before jumping on the "itz 2 hard!" bandwagon.

LethalHands

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Join Date: Feb 2006

24 Mar 2007 at 01:43 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terra Xin

But I want Gwen to be a Hero so much!!!

Your capitalization there is unnecessary. In that instance it would be "hero", not "Hero".

Lawl spontaneous combustion. Mesmer fits the story, where the former was just a fun gag at the end of the beta test. Gwen grew up, wonder why we don't look all old and busted?

salamanca

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Mar 2006

Bookhouse boys

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24 Mar 2007 at 02:06 - 22

I want a charr shaman to run around with my minipet.

I would like to see a female mesmer and warrior just for diversity.

A male ranger and female necro for the same reason.

I could care less about the dervish assassin and paragon. I never seem to use the ones I have.

A quiet tengu would be nice, the henchman I can never use because it's screeching freaks out my dog.

I want one Deldrimor Dwarf to back me up.

I want King Adelbern. Hell, if given the choice, I would have stayed with him and let Rurik go it alone in Prophecies.

I want Old Mac and his pet devourer.

I want the ghost of Master Togo.

I want Gwen and I want her to be able to switch primaries as she never could decide what she wanted to be.

Pkest

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24 Mar 2007 at 04:34 - 23

I really don't see the point of 10 more heroes if you are still limited to 3 at a time.

Gaile Gray

ArenaNet

Join Date: Feb 2005

24 Mar 2007 at 04:34 - 24

Good post, LethalHands. It's good to see people thinking about this, and it's even fun to speculate and see who comes closest to the mark.

Quote:

Originally Posted by salamanca

I want a charr shaman to run around with my minipet.
I would like to see a female mesmer and warrior just for diversity.
A male ranger and female necro for the same reason.
I could care less about the dervish assassin and paragon. I never seem to use the ones I have.
A quiet tengu would be nice, the henchman I can never use because it's screeching freaks out my dog.
I want one Deldrimor Dwarf to back me up.
I want King Adelbern. Hell, if given the choice, I would have stayed with him and let Rurik go it alone in Prophecies.
I want Old Mac and his pet devourer.
I want the ghost of Master Togo.
I want Gwen and I want her to be able to switch primaries as she never could decide what she wanted to be.

I think (1) you know the stories very well and (2) you have some really nice ideas there.

Quote:

Originally Posted by clawofcrimson

i just want a ritualist that I dont have to invest 100 hrs of play time to get.

*psssst* News on that soon. And I do mean soon.

RSGashapon

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

Sol 3

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24 Mar 2007 at 05:37 - 25

Kinda made this post just to be under Gaile's (not a stalker, really, just a fan!), but I also hope Gwen is a hero and that we do get some or all of Salamanca's awesome ideas.

Xenex Xclame

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24 Mar 2007 at 07:44 - 26

BTW , just remember that the Gwen picture looks like a mesmer , that doesn't mean she is a mesmer.

It could just mean that one of the ele armors in GW:EotN looks more like what a mesmer should wear.Also remember she will be a npc , and we all know npc have most of the time : Cooler armor then players and armors we can never get

So they can easily make her a mesmer , cause thats what she said she might want to be ( she admired lady althea or whatever lol ) or they could go with Elementalist ,cause she burned us all in the Beta, OR! they could even make her a monk since she healed us in Pre-Searing.

MirageMaster

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2007

EU

24 Mar 2007 at 07:59 - 27

Woot! I bet Charr heros Will pwn Koss and show him some manners lol!
So.. we are to expect itehr a new rit hero or a new way of getting rit hero.cool.

prism2525

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Among dead bodies.

The Republic of Sky Pirates

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24 Mar 2007 at 08:57 - 28

I'm thinking on what galie said earlier....

could it be that GW:EN kinda makes it that we choose whether we go with Rurik or stay and kick the charr back?

would love it myself.

Guildmaster Cain

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24 Mar 2007 at 10:13 - 29

Ritualist are one the stronger characters in the game, if played rightly. Even after nerf after nerf from Anet, I can still think of builds that can do massive damage in near seconds, or do extreme amounts of cheap healing. Ritualist bosses are always overpowered (420 AoE damage on spirit rift (!)).

I want 3 more Rt heroes in GWEN!

EPO Bot

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

Mo/N

24 Mar 2007 at 10:32 - 30

I just hope Gwen will NOT fall in love with Mehnlo for a change.

Mmmm...Gwen vs Cynn anyone? Add in a smug Eve comment wile at it.

Kattox1

Frost Gate Guardian

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In your mind

OMNI clan UK

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24 Mar 2007 at 13:01 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by clawofcrimson
i just want a ritualist that I dont have to invest 100 hrs of play time to get.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
*psssst* News on that soon. And I do mean soon.

WOOHOOO! that is all

Akshara

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

24 Mar 2007 at 15:25 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

*psssst* News on that soon. And I do mean soon.

Of all the news flying around here, this is the one comment that piques my interest the most.

On topic, I'd love for the new heroes to be of a different sex than the ones we currently have, ie. female ele, necro, paragon, warrior, ritualist; male ranger and assassin.

It would also be great to see one or two variable primary heroes, like was originally intended with Razah.

TGgold

Wilds Pathfinder

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Flying Gophers

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24 Mar 2007 at 15:45 - 33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haggard

It takes you 100 hours to earn 80k and do a 20 minute (henchable) quest?

I wish people would actually think about what you need for Razah before jumping on the "itz 2 hard!" bandwagon.

I've been playing for +500 hours. I have 67k.

Yes, it does take some of us that long to earn money.

Thus, Razah, for many of us, is simply unattainable.

Goldenboy

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England, UK

Scouts of Tyria [SoT]

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24 Mar 2007 at 16:00 - 34

I'd love Devona, Mhenlo, Aiden, Cynn & Eve as Heroes. I figure it'd be quite fitting, since they've been with you the whole way.

Hyper Cutter

Desert Nomad

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24 Mar 2007 at 16:07 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akshara

On topic, I'd love for the new heroes to be of a different sex than the ones we currently have, ie. female ele, necro, paragon, warrior, ritualist; male ranger and assassin.

I second that...

daraaksii

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

24 Mar 2007 at 16:12 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by FeroxC

Whats with this stupid GWEN obsession seriously 50% of the posts in riverside are about GWEN, the useless girl with an easy,dull quest.

GWEN= Guild Wars: Eye of the North

scottyboysn

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24 Mar 2007 at 17:08 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goldenboy

I'd love Devona, Mhenlo, Aiden, Cynn & Eve as Heroes. I figure it'd be quite fitting, since they've been with you the whole way.

I second that. They are favorite NPC's for a lot of people. We saw in NF that it is possible to just rename duplicates "Sunspear Warrior" and so on. Plus it would add a female warrior, male ranger, female necro, and female ele which is currently desired by many

I'd also like to see the option to have up to 7 heroes. Adding another 10 will make 25 heroes. Only being able to pick 3 of those makes me sad

Dahl

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Ontario, Canada

Exalted Legionnaires [ExL]

24 Mar 2007 at 17:19 - 38

Here's my guess.

2 charr
2 sylvari
2 norn
2 asura
2 human.

10 new heroes = all 10 professions = 1 of each.

It works out quite well actually.

Charr = warrior and ele
norn = unsure, as I don't know what they are or what they look like
sylvari = unsure, as I don't know what they are or what they look like
asura = assassin and mesmer
human = monk and ranger

DOCB22

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2005

[SGC]

24 Mar 2007 at 17:22 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by MSecorsky

IF GW:EN is indeed providing 10 more heroes, do you realize that that is additional storage for:

50 Runes
50 Insignia
10 two handed weapons - or - 10 one handed weapons plus 10 offhands - or - mix of the two

That's a lot of free storage.

And that's per character.

thank the gods for small favors

Dahl

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Ontario, Canada

Exalted Legionnaires [ExL]

24 Mar 2007 at 17:27 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haggard

It takes you 100 hours to earn 80k and do a 20 minute (henchable) quest?

I wish people would actually think about what you need for Razah before jumping on the "itz 2 hard!" bandwagon.

Remember that Guild Wars is a game of skill and not time spent. Some people simply do not have the skill for certain things. It's not a bad thing by any means, it just makes us pros look better.

On the other hand, it's the skillless people who get run places and pay people to play the game for them with money from ebay. I believe that if someone isnt skilled enough to beat something, they should be stuck in that very spot until they either fluke it or get skilled enough to beat it.

At least 1/4 of the people who are let's say at the end of Nightfall and have their primeval armor, didn't actually play through, and likely don't have the skill to get there. There are people who have gone through torment with a hired runner(this can mean quick mission playing, not just literally running) when really, they don't have the skill to beat the Grand Court of Sebelkeh.

My point is, the poster who said Razah is "unattainable" may be new, but at least he didn't get run for it, so it isn't all that bad.